YTSEJAM Digest 4910
Today's Topics:
1) Improv
by KiKtheGoaT@aol.com
2) Re: Ta-check and Widespread Improv
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
3) Re:Go FAQ yourselves! ;>
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
4) THE STORY SO FAR
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
5) Re: Go FAQ yourselves! ;>
by JamesAhab@aol.com
6) Re: THE STORY SO FAR
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) LTE2 ROCKS
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
8) Re: What is Progressive?
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
9) re: vindaloo, library puters
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
10) Re: woo-hoo!
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
11) Derek Clinic in Puebla, Mexico SAME DAY AS 6.7 Puebla Earthquake
by Calvin6S@aol.com
12) Re: oh and btw
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
13)
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
14) re: It's a cooking show! No, it's a flame war! It's both! :)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
15) Derek is okay
by Calvin6S@aol.com
16) Re: Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer!
by "Raitz" <raitz@cafe.ee>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:40:21 EDT
From: KiKtheGoaT@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Improv
Message-ID: <1b253ee9.249876a5@aol.com>
I think thats why i Like Dave Matthews alot too..in a live setting, Dave
really improvises ALOT. and yes i have ben listening to DMB since before
Crash. When i went to the Petrucci/Portnoy clinics they did do some improv
stuff which i thoughtt was cool, my band occasionally does an improv live,
but basically its a warm up thing for the beginning of a show or something.
or at practice, to warm up, we'll do an improv and just say "ok..we'll start
it in C and see where it goes" or sometimes not even that. Improv does keep
ya on ur toes!
chris
<< Every show is different, which is why I've seen about 30 of them in
the past two years. What they try doesn't always work, which is actually
what makes it so interesting. It takes balls to go out there not knowing
exactly what will go on. For a single show Dream Theater definitely puts
on a better show, but going to more than one show during a particular leg
of the tour is of questionable worth >>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:41:30 EDT
From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Ta-check and Widespread Improv
Message-ID: <91a127a4.249876ea@aol.com>
We have seen improve from the members of DT in LTE its called
3-minute warning!
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:46:59 EDT
From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re:Go FAQ yourselves! ;>
Message-ID: <2d8f5841.24987833@aol.com>
I, for one, am definitely not flame-shy, I definitely agree. If
people have to be dicks and ignore a person with a smaller range of ideas but
have the intentive to explore, then they can FAQ themselves! Anyway, I
agree and encourage others who feel the same to speak out.
Chuck
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:59:17 EDT
From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: THE STORY SO FAR
Message-ID: <33fb3345.24987b15@aol.com>
Sorry jammers this is quite long but I feel it might answer a hell of
a lotta questions! SORRY!
The Story So Far
It all began in the fall of 1985 when students guitarist John Petrucci and
bassist John Myung saw drummer Mike Portnoy jamming in one of the practice
rooms at the prestigious Berklee School of Music in Boston. Back then, and to
some degree now, rock music was frowned upon by professors and their fellow
musicians, making it a small miracle they were able to meet at all.The two
later bumped into Mike in the cafeteria and found they had more in common
than tastes in music; all had grown up on Long Island. "I remember I was
wearing a Talas shirt that day and to them that was a dead giveaway", recalls
Mike. "It was obvious that all our heads were in the same place and to find
that they were from home was amazing because there's people from all over the
world at Berkelee. Finding two people that were completely in sync with me
and the fact that they lived 40 minutes away was like a blessing from God.
"During breaks from school they jammed with keyboardist Kevin Moore (who
played with the Johns' in a high school band called Centurion and was
attending Fredonia College in upstate New York at the time) and a vocalist
named Chris Collins ; a band that would eventually become Majesty. All
decided to leave school to concentrate on the band while working regular jobs
and giving private music lessons. Shortly afterwards they recorded a
four-track, six-song demo tape which was sold to local fans and shopped to
labels. Even back then the material was progressive and complex with an edge
remi- niscent of early Rush and to this day the band often sneak in bits of
the songs in their live set.
Majesty was the first band to sign with a new label called Mechanic Records
yet were focused to change their moniker as a jazz band already owned the
name. Mike's father suggested the name Dream Theater as taken from a movie
house in Monterey , California, but soon it became evident that another
change was more essential: Chris simply didn't have the vocal range they
needed for the album.
"It was then that we went on our first of vocalist searches," laughs Mike,
"and found Charlie Dominici who was a lot older than us and came from a
different background, but at the time we really couldn't find anyone else and
he had the most potential out of everyone. He had the experience that Chris
didn't, but after awhile it became evident that he wasn't the singer we were
looking for. We would sit at practice and it would be like pulling teeth
trying to get him to sing some of the stuff we wanted , but afterwards he
would sit down behind the piano and start singing Billy Joel and the Beatles
songs and feel right at home.
"When Dream And Day Unite" was recorded at Kajem/Victory Studios in Gladwyne,
Pennsylvania in one month's time in the summer of '88 with producer Terry
Date. Despite a shoestring budget and limited distribution, the album was
received well by press around the world, not to mention American metal radio.
Unfortunately, Mechanic didn't have the funds to take them one step further
with tour support or a video, and because of this, Dream Theater's concerts
were restricted to the New York tri-state area as they held on to their
regular day jobs. It soon became clear that the band might be forced to start
from scratch to reach their goals.
Charlie was fired in '90 but called back for one final concert supporting
Marillion being the British band personally requested that Dream Theater do
the gig. It was at this particular show they opened with a then new track
called 'Metropolis' -- a sample of how the band had progressed since the
debut album and what the future would bring.
Yet what they thought would be a temporary setback turned out to be an almost
two year search for a front man. They kept them selves bust writing and
performing new material as a four piece in local clubs; in fact, many of the
tracks from "Images and Words" were first performed live as instrumentals
long before the vocal melody was written. The encore was indeed a work of
genius; a medley of the instrumental breaks from classic songs from the likes
of Led Zeppelin, Yes, Queen, The Beatles and Van Halen.
At one point the frustration to find the right guy became so intense they
actually considered an all instrumental route -- especially after a series of
really bad experiences -- yet they decided to persist. This revolving door
included John Arch of Fates Warning who came very close to getting the job,
but he decided against it. Then there was the Geoff Tate clone from Seattle
named Steve Stone who actually sang a few songs with the band during one of
the instrumental shows, but it was clear he didn't fit in. Finally, they
found Chris Cintron who appeared to be the right man for the job, that was
until the tape from Canada arrived...
The man in question was Kevin LaBrie, then of the Toronto band Winter Rose.
Although Chris was days away from joining, the band thought the voice on the
tape was too good to overlook and Kevin LaBrie was flown down to try out.
Unfortunately for Chris, he was out of the job, but Dream Theater finally
found the singer they had been looking for. Upon joining, Kevin LaBrie
decided to use his middle name, James, as his first -- having two guys named
John in the band was confusing enough, just imagine having two guys named
Kevin as well.
Having signed a deal with Atco/East West Records, the band recorded their
second album, "Images and Words", with producer David Prater at the end of
1991 at Bear Track Studios -- a modest facility in Suffern, New York owned by
Spyro Gyra sax player Jay Beckenstein who would guest on the track 'Another
Day'.
James made his official live debut with the band on June 8, 1992 at the Ritz
in New York City supporting Iron Maiden, coincidentally the very same venue
Charlie played his last. A few warm-up shows in tiny clubs days before this
show proved James was welcomed with open arms by their die hard fans, some of
which already knew the words to all the new songs even though "Images and
Words" was not in the stores yet.
After the release of the album, Dream Theater signed to Roundtable
Entertainment and was ready to finally perform around the globe. Along the
way press radio and even MTV were especially supportive, yet the band felt
they reached a new level upon word that "Images And Words" had gone gold in
Japan. A short tour was booked and sold out within hours.
Despite this worldwide recognition, the band paid homage to their long time
local fans with a sold out concert at the Limelight in New York City on March
4, 1993. With no opening act, the band played almost three hours, not
including the brief intermission, and debuted a bunch of new material such as
'To Live Forever', 'Eve' and the 20 minute epic 'A Change of Seasons', the
latter of which they rarely perform live.
Europe was the next leg of the "Music in Progress" tour where they recorded
the EP, "Live at the Marquee", at London's famed club.Although their touring
commitments had brought them around the world a second time (in bigger halls
naturally) the band kept from burning out musically by introducing new songs
into the set, even if they were nothing but jams improvised on the spot.
Their show in Tokyo, Japan, was filmed and released on home video in late '93.
By November of '93 the band had completed touring, yet visited Korea in
January for a promotional tour due to their increasing popularity there.
In March of 1994, Dream Theater started work on their third album after a
short break -- their first album to be written as a complete band being both
"When Dream and Day Unite" and "Images and Words" were written when the band
was without a vocalist. At first they planned to include some of the
unreleased songs that were included in their live set, yet it ended up they
had written so much new material -- more than 75 minutes worth! -- the older
songs didn't sound fresh enough to fit in. The only bit of old material they
kept was a jam called 'Puppies on Acid' which turned into the song 'The
Mirror'. 'To Live Forever' has since been released as the b-side to 'Lie' and
the instrumental 'Eve' can be found on the 'Silent Man' single.
The band relocated to Los Angeles in May for a few months to work with
producers John Purdell and Duane Baron and found the duo to be just what they
needed to get their musical ideas across. Unfortunately, all was not perfect
in the band.
Halfway through the recording of "Awake", Kevin decided he wanted to leave
the band -- a major blow to the band, especially to John and John whom he had
grown up with.
If you arent caught up by now go to UACM(www.dreamtheater.net) and go to bios
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:17:48 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Go FAQ yourselves! ;>
Message-ID: <c29ac1a4.24987f6c@aol.com>
>< >Am I the only one who feels this way?<
Absolutely not! and everyone who agrees with us are re-posted via MY
"copy/paste" to further make a point. All of you are so quick to set atop a
perch that
grows higher everytime you all slam someone at the same time for questions
and things like grammar (if you understand it enough to crack on it then why
waste your time pointing out their mistakes....like run-on sentences and
other violations of English)(I speak American BTW not English) And personally
i think it makes you look like a bunch of dicks!(girls included);>
THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID...Heres another person who agrees with me...and i'm
sure theres plenty that agree but have something to post but are
flame-shy...AGAIN READ THIS...SEE WHAT I MEAN??! ><
And it goes on and on like this. So basically your defense is to waste
bandwidth by copying posts we've already read and bragging about how they
agree with you. You quote other people because you're going to reply to them,
not so you can say, "See?! Told you so!" Stop taking up so much space. Say
what you have to say and end it.
>And how the heck will he know what a FAQ is if he is new to the net? ><
>>>>>FAQs aren't restricted to the internet.
See what Im saying????....vague and snobbish ><
Vague and snobbish? No, it was the truth. You don't have to be on the
internet to know what a FAQ is, it's used in other applications of life.
nothing more.
>< Personally i have supported this band since the beginning and to say
that that makes me more of a fan than you is as retarded as saying the same
because you started a list and moderated it! ><
It doesn't make you more of a fan, but it's hard to ignore the fact that you
keep mentioning that you've supported the band since WDADU.
>< How many questions have been unasked due to your attitude? Ask yourself
this...Is what you are doing a progressive thing?(DT-Progressive Rock)
No...its not. Its an elitist egghead asshole thing? ><
You are correcting people for their attitude and for flaming other people,
yet you are the one resulting to calling people "elitist egghead assholes,"
and that's just one example of your hypocrisy. People must be the size of
ants from that soapbox you're sitting on.
Jim
np - lte2
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:44:41 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: THE STORY SO FAR
Message-ID: <002201beb7b3$0b4d5900$5c0d84d0@korgx3>
> Sorry jammers this is quite long but I feel it might answer a hell of
>a lotta questions! SORRY!
Chuck, dude, I couldn't have thought of anything more pertinent to post
here. :) Thanks, that even was informative to an old die-hard like me. :)
BTW, sorry about that child abuse thing in the last post. hehehe. I'd just
checked out the samples from the newest Crash Test Dummies album. If there
had been a child near me at the time, I likely would be on my way to prison
right now. Damn, that was a bigger letdown than Load. :P
Anyway, I think it's time to clean the 'jam up. It's starting to look like
a hockey game here again, and it's very disturbing. Let's get back on topic
people! :) I don't find the DT FAQ and newbies to be quite entertaining
literature and my final word is THE final word, so there. :) Twinkies for
everyone now!
-- KorgX3 thinks Chuck is a cool name. hehehehe. NP: Journey - Trial By Fire------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:55:19 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE2 ROCKS Message-ID: <199906152151482@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I just got LTE2 today and I must say that these guys have done it again. my review of the album is a mere two words: HOLY SHIT!!!!
Do yourself a favor and GO BUY THIS ALBUM!!!! :-)
BTW...I happened to buy this at a Borders book store, they had 4 copies there. Besides that, I looked at the listening rack and what did I see....Chroma Key! I couldnt believe it. Then I looked to my right, and filed under G I found Gamma Ray albums...looked over a bit more - Helloween. I also spotted Cairo, Angra, Stratovarius, Magellan, Iced Earth...whats up with this? Has Borders all of a sudden become the new outlet for prog, prog metal, and underground metal stuff? Its great to see another store besides one of those "megastores" (ie - Tower, Virgin) carry this stuff.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:20:04 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: What is Progressive? Message-ID: <37673404.8E91E896@home.com>
J. Wrote > Here is my take on this: > Progressive (in my terms) any music that is 1. different than the normal > realms of music 2. Can change time signatures unexpectedly and 3. Always > changing. If you consider "Ben Folds Five" as prog, I'd agree. I'd also > put Dave Mathews Band in there too. They may not totally rock out, but > listen closely. I *think* you may see what I see. Obviously open to > interpretation.
Definitely open to interpretation.
Also though, I think there's stuff that;
1. Has progressive elements, or is progressive in ways (but is not a "PROG" band) I haven't heard Ben Folds Five, but I'd put a band like Dave Matthews here perhaps. Also, a good example would be Savatage (their newer stuff), as they have progresive ideas, but are probably not technically a prog-rock or prog-metal band (OK, I admit this one is probably debatable).
2. Then there is stuff that IS prog-rock or prog-metal. Obviously this would include Pink Floyd and Yes for the former, and Dream Theater and Conception as the latter.
Sooooo, I guess my point is that YES, I'd say DMB is progressive..... but they're NOT a prog-band. Did that make any sense??? =)
AND, on a related note, I want somebody's opinion on this: Does anybody think that The Doors were (at least on some songs) somewhat progessive? Once again, I don't mean that they were a Prog-rock band, just that some of their wackier stuff had progressive elements. Or am I just loony?
Opinions, please!
--
- Joe DeAngelo jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" ---------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:20:33 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: vindaloo, library puters Message-ID: <37673421.F1211BAC@ucla.edu>
> you're suggesting someone makes a whole hotmail account just to send one > email to a list he has heard nothing about?
I know its hard to believe, especially since most people here look on all people with hotmail accounts as morons, but some of us do, in fact, have web based email accounts. Shocking, huh? I used to have aol, and there is no way to check aol mail from the web without having to download a plugin.. so I got a hotmail account. At my old high school, the damn Net Nanny wouldn't let me get to www.hotmail.com since it had "hot" (which of course means "hot teen pussy", *sarcasm off*) in the domain name, so I created another account at WBS. It's just a convenient way to send mail if you don't feel like reconfiging MS Mail, Netscape Mail or Eudora so you can send POP mail.
Btw, damn you all! Now I want some smeggin curry ;)
~~Amanda
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:19:46 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: woo-hoo! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990616051946.0127e9a0@pi-r-squared.com>
At 07:00 PM 6/15/99 -0700, you wrote: > >? NONE of us knew absolutely everything there is to know about >DT when we first came on-line, so there's no reason we should take offense >to educating new people in the same manner. > >Kinda like you were beaten as a child so beat your children too? > >And now I'm left with a list of people who dont like me for speaking my mind >(and for any other reasons you would like to come up with) and a recipe for >Bombay Vindaloo. >WOO-HOO!
Whoa whoa whoa. I realize you're drawing an analogy here and trying to make a point, but you're either stretching it a bit too far or you're delusional. Now, the whole point of my post was that we should all be polite, but because I think there is a use for a FAQ you go and semi-attack me and accuse me of being hostile toward you. Grow up and learn to respect that people don't always fall neatly into one pile or another, some of us like to balance the two and end up in the middle. Anyway, a more appropriate analogy here would be:
"You're go to a library and ask someone where you can find this book by a certain author. Instead of pointing you to it, the personnel POLITELY point you to the card catalog, where you find not only the book you were looking for but books by the same author and on the same subject matter. Thus, later when you are working at the library and people ask you this question you direct them toward the card catalog." There is nothing inherently abusive in doing this unless you make it that way (which some jammers have a tendency to do, hey we agree on that). The creation of a FAQ, in and of itself, is a helpful act by Dream Theater fans, designed to help people learn more about the band. It is not, nor should it be, an excuse for jammers to be rude. I direct that at you who seems to believe that, and those jammers who take that attitude.
It is very hard to make me hostile toward you, I don't see why you would want to try.
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:31:51 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Derek Clinic in Puebla, Mexico SAME DAY AS 6.7 Puebla Earthquake Message-ID: <da29b07.249890c7@aol.com>
I have no information, but this news is very scary. I hope that Derek Sherinian is doing fine. If anyone is in contact with Derek, please inform the jam of his well being as soon as you can. Thank you.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:32:48 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: oh and btw Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990616053248.01281cd8@pi-r-squared.com>
At 07:00 PM 6/15/99 -0700, you wrote: > >? NONE of us knew absolutely everything there is to know about >DT when we first came on-line, so there's no reason we should take offense >to educating new people in the same manner. > >Kinda like you were beaten as a child so beat your children too? I'm also glad to know you could take my comments so out of context, and make it look like I was saying something I wasn't, or maybe you just misunderstood. Either way, allow me to clarify, I was suggesting that Jammers should not have an attitude in their response when asked a question, isn't that what you were suggesting?
Kinda interesting, aint it?
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:02:05 EDT From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <19990616060207.92622.qmail@hotmail.com>
P.S. Hey Brian, watch out for those fucking bats man!
"FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS"!
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: It's a cooking show! No, it's a flame war! It's both! :) Message-ID: <19990616062037.29880.rocketmail@web120.yahoomail.com>
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@mail.geocities.com> added her $.02:
>Brian Hansen (no relation to the prepubescent bubble gum "performers") wrote:
>>I'm all mixed up.
> Try turning the electric mixer off. If that fails, unplug it. Or maybe > you ought to read the FAQ? ;)
Mixer? I was halucinating that I was Kevin Shirley and I was working Mya on her next album. Now that was dream theater!
But on a side note, I searched the FAQ, and was never able to determine exactly what happend to Kevin's testicles. And I really do need the mixer plugged in to make a bombay vindaloo (all Kevins aside). I know it must have tequila in it, so I must be on the right track. Where's that adrenochrome again? I think Joe knows...It's probably Buttle's fault.
my $.0233333333333, B.H.
NP-Miles/Kinda Blue
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:41:43 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Derek is okay Message-ID: <593e5af1.2498a127@aol.com>
Just got unofficial word that Derek is okay. Didn't get it from the man himself but I fully trust the person that informed me. He went to Derek's clinic today.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:55:36 +0300 From: "Raitz" <raitz@cafe.ee> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer! Message-ID: <199906160655.JAA04885@ns.uninet.ee>
> From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
> >of. :) Maybe Bombay is Indian for chicken or something. > Who would name the capital of their country "chicken"? :)
..and as Bombay is not the capital of India - Delhi is -, I think it's safe to say that "bombay" means chicken indeed. :-)
Long live faulty logic. :-)
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable -- demand the impossible!
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