YTSEJAM Digest 4912
Today's Topics:
1) LTE2
by "Doug Cronkhite" <c4@san.rr.com>
2) Re: nothing special...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) LTE2 first impressions
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
4) Jump
by Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4911
by Bezerk02@aol.com
6) City Stages...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
7) LTE 2 review up
by Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4911
by T Ismail Reza <lukalama@rad.net.id>
9) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4911
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
10) The keyboardist thread
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
11) Derek does clinics in Mexico, earthquake hits...
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
12) Re: Long songs... :)
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4910
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
14) Site
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
15) Re: nothing special...
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
16) Nuff said
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
17)
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
18) Final FAQ
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
19) LT2 {buy it or die}
by "fmatias" <fmatias@cvtci.com.ar>
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:47:52 -0700
From: "Doug Cronkhite" <c4@san.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTE2
Message-ID: <NDBBKCLHOLHEGCAJJIJHOEPPCCAA.c4@san.rr.com>
Just got my LTE2 CD. I'm as blown away as when I got the 1st.. no.. maybe
even moreso. This has a much more cohesive feel to it. Even the improvs are
much more of a unit. Amazing what happens when talent like this plays
together for even a little while. They start to pickup on each others feel
for things.
Doug
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 10:49:19 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: nothing special...
Message-ID: <001d01b7fe66$36f4a520$0201010a@chuck>
>And a question... this morning I was listening to radio and they played
>catchy tune which had something like "so go ahead and jump" in the chorus
>line, this haunting keyboard" riff", nice guitar solo... sounded kinda
That would be Van Halen's "Jump" from the album "1984." A classic 80's song
if there ever were any. :)
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:15:03 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE2 first impressions Message-ID: <000301beb81b$c60e3440$37351ec8@carlos.yunque.net>
OH GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cant wait to listen to the new DT album, besides from all the hype, specially because theyre producing it themselves, like LTE 2, and GOD this cd sounds excellent! My only initial gripe on this first listen : When the water breaks at the 9:30 mark : who invited yanni to ruin this kickass riff?!!!! I was being blown away these first 9 and a half minutes of the song when sudenly my musical hard-on went soft with this "nod" (i prefer rip-off) to yanni..... its vile.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:30:11 +0300 From: Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jump Message-ID: <3767DF1F.DB7FEEBD@cc.uoa.gr>
Hi there jammers
Well Sasha, maybe what you heard was "Jump" by Van Halen from when David Lee Roth was on vocals back in the early 80s. I thing the song is from 1984.
And ppl stop bitching about your LTE II that hasn't arrived yet in your mailbox. Here in Greece it'll be another couple of months until I'll be able to find it in a local record store.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:08:43 EDT From: Bezerk02@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4911 Message-ID: <b0a62225.2499422b@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/16/99 12:42:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< And a question... this morning I was listening to radio and they played this catchy tune which had something like "so go ahead and jump" in the chorus line, this haunting keyboard" riff", nice guitar solo... sounded kinda pop-issh if I may say, I think it`s a bit older song, from `80s? well, if anyone could help on this one, I`d be very grateful... >>
Sasha,
I sounds like you heard the Van Halen tune "Jump" off of their album 1984. Hope this helps.
Aaron
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:11:34 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: City Stages... Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B02D7CE@bham-xchg>
Hey random thoughts and such...
]From Sasha: >And a question... this morning I was listening to radio and they played this >catchy tune which had something like "so go ahead and jump" in the chorus >line, this haunting keyboard" riff", nice guitar solo... sounded kinda >pop-issh if I may say, I think it`s a bit older song, from `80s? well, if >anyone could help on this one, I`d be very grateful...
Is this for real or just a ploy to make me feel soooo old...:( This is VH and "Jump" right...? I'm not going mad am I...?
]From Babs: >Me too Nicole! Every time I check my CDNow account it claims my order is >"processing" Sheesh. My guess is that we'll have it by Saturday, what do >you think?
Oh yeah LTE2...me too... and I can't wait...
Anyone visiting (not so) sunny (at the moment) Birmingham, AL. this weekend for the City Stages festival..? I'll be there, should be fun...I'll be the rather hassled looking chap with two young kids...
Cheers,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama)
CP: Platypus...oh baby...
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:47:37 +0200 From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE 2 review up Message-ID: <3767F149.694E@wxs.nl>
A review of the new LTE 2 album is up in the music section of W3M3 magazine at http://www.fortysecond.net/w3m3. -- \= Richard Karsmakers - richard@fortysecond.net - ICQ #18645533 =/ | STNICCC; Dawn Crosby; GWAR; Diskmags; Shred Guitar | | "ST NEWS"; "W3M3"; "Twilight World"; Plantiac; "UVK 2000" | | FOG; Detente; Fear of God; Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged | | P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands | /===--------------- http://www.fortysecond.net ---------------===\
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:49:36 +0700 From: T Ismail Reza <lukalama@rad.net.id> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4911 Message-ID: <3767FFCF.A152FA88@rad.net.id>
>Does anyone know if Strom Thorgerson did the new Cranberries album's >artwork? If he didn't, the dude who did it should be shot for copying his >style exactly...
Yup. HE did THAT! Ouwww; please don't weep David! ^_^
Reza!^_^ -------------------------------------------------------------- "If conclusive proof is ever found it won't be as exciting as, say, the discovery of alien intelligence in the universe, but it will definitely be a mind expander." -Stanley Kubrick on The Shining --------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:50:05 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4911 Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE70B@messaging>
As long as it's Strom, I don't care who the band is. Strom is, IMHO, the best thing to happen to album packaging since the LP sleeve... :)
David Dixon, MCP Consultant E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
> -----Original Message----- > From: T Ismail Reza [SMTP:lukalama@rad.net.id] > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 12:47 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4911 > > > >Does anyone know if Strom Thorgerson did the new Cranberries album's > >artwork? If he didn't, the dude who did it should be shot for copying > his > >style exactly... > > Yup. HE did THAT! > Ouwww; please don't weep David! ^_^ > > > Reza!^_^ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > "If conclusive proof is ever found it won't be as exciting as, say, the > discovery of > alien intelligence in the universe, but it will definitely be a mind > expander." > > -Stanley Kubrick on The Shining > --------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:31:57 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The keyboardist thread Message-ID: <4.1.19990616161833.009ff950@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
>>and reactions for a few days now. I find such senseless feuding about such an >>unimportant topic-a change in keyboardist. >> Can we please cut the controversy between K & D since the new album >>will be a totally new experience for everyone?
Wow, so a change in keyboardist is unimportant??? Now THAT is an amazing statement...I'll personally say as someone who has been on the Jam for about the past 2 years about that These are some of the more fun discussions, except for the people who just spend their time saying "man, this sucks, talk about something else." They're more fun for me personally than what audio rig is better or bad trader threads or whatever, but you know what, I don't post anything about "Don't talk about it" I just skip past it and move on...Big Deal...heh. So, why Do I like the keyboardist threads??? Well, #1 they're actually DREAM THEATER RELATED!!! AMAZING!!!! What else??? Well, Me for one, being in New Orleans, there is NO one I know of here who cares anything about DT, so this is about the only place I CAN talk about Kevin and Derek and Jordan and everything...And for all those who hate discussions like this, think about it, the threads rarely veer from being pretty sensible until people start crying that there is a thread about Kev, Derek, Jordan and all....And I'll say this, that the Jam for the most part has been pretty bad again, If you all remember the Jam got pretty good, after it went offline for about a week, it was really nice, sensible, people were less bossy about what people talked about, then all of a sudden people got the red ass again...:( Skadz, drop the list again for a week to straighten these guys out...:)
np: Sting "Dream of the Blue Turtles"
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:22:41 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Derek does clinics in Mexico, earthquake hits... Message-ID: <000101beb83e$5de31980$37351ec8@carlos.yunque.net>
A reportedly violent earthquake hit Mexico (this morning i believe) I hope our mexican jammers are allright , i wonder if derek was down there during the quake, or was he going to travel back and forth each day ( i doubt it) ( he had a clinic in Puebla yesterday (15th) and that is the most affected part of mexico...and has one scheduled for today as well...
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Long songs... :) Message-ID: <199906162123.RAA28196@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
>Subject: Re: Long songs... :) > >I challenged this person to go listen to APSoG. Let's see what she >thinks... :) >
I think most people go through the "discovery" of long songs. It's a fun process... ;-)
Radar Love (Golden Earring) -- 6 minutes? A cool song, but it sure is long...
Life's Been Good To Me (Joe Walsh) -- Wow, I had time to run upstairs, find a blank tape and stick it in to record before the *intro* was even over on this song...
American Pie -- Sheesh, this song has more lyrics than I've ever heard before... but I sure like to sing along.
Stairway to Heaven -- Rock songs can't get much longer than this, can they??
Paradise by the Dashboard Lights -- Well, I guess they can....
Roundabout (Yes) -- What the heck is this music? It's like eight and a half minutes long and has three distinct sections. Whoa, listen to that bass player.
Feel Like I Do -- Geez, I thought Roundabout was the longest song on the radio, but then I heard this Peter Frampton guy making his guitar sound like talking for almost 14 minutes.
In a Gadda da Vidda -- 17 minutes? A drum solo in the middle? What were these guys thinking? Holy cow.
Close to the Edge -- I was gonna buy a Yes tape the other day since Roundabout has been growing on me and I found "Close to the Edge" but the stupid tape had only THREE songs on it for 8 bucks!?! What a rip off.
Whoops. My friend said that the songs on "Close to the Edge" averaged over 12 minutes. I guess that's not so bad.
2112 -- I was listening to this top 500 countdown and this song came on and it just kept going and going and it told this cool story about this guy who wanted to play the guitar in this future society that hated free expression and it must have been 20 minutes! I love it! We have assumed control!
Thick as a Brick (Jethro Tull) -- Oh my god, there's only ONE song on this album and it's 45 minutes long... But, damn is it cool. I wish they'd play the whole thing on the radio instead of only the first 5 minutes.
Passion Play (Jethro Tull) -- Another album that's only ONE song. Sheesh, that Ian Anderson guy loves his long songs... I had to buy two versions of the CD since the first one had a break in the middle where the original album had to be turned over. My new CD just has one 42 minute track. Cool!
Enlightenment -- Now that I'm looking for 'em, I can't believe how many long songs there are! Cool!
- "Supper's Ready" clocks in at over 20 minutes. - Most of the songs on Pink Floyd's "Animals" - the Dream Theater CD has that cool song the Itsajam guys petitioned for, "Change of Seasons", - Tales for Topographic Oceans + Gates of Delirium - APSOG - Starless - The Sky Moves Sideways - a cool one called "Canto IV" by Discipline, . - and so on...
Most everyone goes through the long song "discovery" phase so don't be too hard on 'em... :-)
Steve
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:54:58 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4910 Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990616175418.009d48c0@pop.mindspring.com>
At 12:02 AM 6/16/99 -0700, you wrote: > We have seen improve from the members of DT in LTE its called >3-minute warning!
Right, but I'm talking about in a live setting. I don't care how much you improv in the studio - it's totally different in a performance-type atmosphere.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:58:46 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Site Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990616175800.009de8e0@pop.mindspring.com>
At 09:42 AM 6/16/99 -0700, you wrote: >I downloaded two tracks by Queensryche off of Adam`s ftp-site... nice sound >quality. I just hope that the show will stay there for some more so I can >download it in entirety.
All shows there will stay indefinitely, so don't worry about that. (Unless I get bitched at by my provider, which is possible). :)
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:06:11 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: nothing special... Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990616220611.01272a90@pi-r-squared.com>
>And a question... this morning I was listening to radio and they played this >catchy tune which had something like "so go ahead and jump" in the chorus >line, this haunting keyboard" riff", nice guitar solo... sounded kinda >pop-issh if I may say, I think it`s a bit older song, from `80s? well, if >anyone could help on this one, I`d be very grateful...
LOL! That would have to be Van Halen's "Jump" off their album 1984. That was a pretty popular song in its time.
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:40:06 EDT From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Nuff said Message-ID: <19990616234007.57213.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>you go and semi-attack me and accuse me of being hostile toward you. Grow >>up and learn to respectthat people don't always fall neatly into one pile >>or another, some of us like to balance the two and end up in the middle.
I have never semi-attacked anything in my life (all or nothing) ;> However, i am quite grown-up and now that I have expressed my opinion I'm over this...if you're not then go FAQ yourself! (thats a joke albeit not a great one)
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You are correcting people for their attitude and for flaming other people, yet you are the one resulting to calling people "elitist egghead assholes," and that's just one example of your hypocrisy. People must be the size of ants from that soapbox you're sitting on.
Jim
I said that with sarcasm to make a point...you are as dense as a fuckin' forest Jim and from my "soapbox" I can see your silly, confused smirk.
--------- Then someone yelled:
"Twinkies for everyone now!"
I don't like twinkies but I will not say another word on this subject because I have told these people how I feel. Through some of the posts I've read lately reflect that it needed to be said...so I am your flame-target. 8''7''(
At any rate...I said it and if anyone still feels like discussing this then have at it But you will discuss it without me.
Outlander
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:06:03 EDT From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <19990617000603.73103.qmail@hotmail.com>
And a question... this morning I was listening to radio and they played this catchy tune which had something like "so go ahead and jump" in the chorus line, this haunting keyboard" riff", nice guitar solo... sounded kinda pop-issh if I may say, I think it`s a bit older song, from `80s? well, if anyone could help on this one, I`d be very grateful...
Jump--Van Halen---1984 is the CD
Outlander
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:16:45 EDT From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Final FAQ Message-ID: <19990617001646.21556.qmail@hotmail.com>
Response to my post:
>I think some people here are missing the point of having a FAQ in the first place.
Lets not drift away here, my post was about people rudely re-directing others(new people) to the FAQ. Ive read it and I think its pretty cool that people would put that together for a band without any pay. But it's just a question of not pushing away people who might someday become as into this band as we all are. Remember, they have friends who have friends who...
Let's look at another example: A new DT fan comes onto the net, but *doesn't* join the list - he *hates* mailing lists. But, he does have some questions about DT. Where should he go >to find the answers?
He should look for the official page and read things like bios and the FAQ.
The FAQ was not created as an exercise to keep questions off of the Ytsejam.
I'm sure it wasn't, and since this discussion is over for me let me just say this.
Be a little nicer thats all...ignorance doesn't=stupidity
Outlander
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:39:51 -0300 From: "fmatias" <fmatias@cvtci.com.ar> To: "ytsejam mail list" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LT2 {buy it or die} Message-ID: <000c01beb855$29d7ebe0$1a46a8c0@matute>
Hi Jams! Mike!! Where are you?
Im going to hear it till makes it dust!!
Thanxxx!!
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