YTSEJAM Digest 4919
Today's Topics:
1) Spock's Beard
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
2) Yeah, but if >I< can play it, it must >really< suck.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) Re: Spock's Beard
by JamesAhab@aol.com
4) Ang:YTSEJAM digest 4918
by tomas.jutenfaldt@arrow.se
5) Re: Illogical Logic
by jeff hochberg <slave1@nycap.rr.com>
6) if you dont have a clue....
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
7) Peter Gabriel Song
by Anna <sionell@airmail.net>
8) Re: New mp3 shows and help needed!
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
9) I'm begging for help...
by "A Change Of Seasons" <dreamtheater@cjnetworks.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917
by Calvin6S@aol.com
11) Myung
by Ivan Carvajal <usnavi@rocketmail.com>
12) ThanX!
by JPMkorg74 <yanelmar@www.rieder.net.py>
13) Sullivan song?
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
14) Re: if you dont have a clue....
by JamesAhab@aol.com
15) The Circus
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
16) Re: Myung
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
17) Hi
by Michael Mah / HadeSlayeR <cybersaint@cyberjunkie.com>
18) Actual DTC! (ToT from OIAL)
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@mail.geocities.com>
19) re: oh yeah? You get up there and do it then...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
20) LTE Vaults setlist
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:46:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <19990619194642.3548.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com>
I picked up Spock's Beard's 'Day For Night' CD
yesterday. It came down to a choice between SB and
Incubus' 'SCIENCE' album. I flipped a coin and
Spock's Beard won the day.
And I'm sorry it did. This could be the worst CD I've
ever heard in my entire life. Seriously, I was
listening to it and all the vocal harmony and stuff
make it sound like a Christian music CD. Bleh.
To anyone who might have been considering picking this
CD up, I say pass on it. I may develop a taste for
this CD later on, but I don't see it happening. The
cheesy lyrics alone will probably keep me out.
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*Trent
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:43:57 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Yeah, but if >I< can play it, it must >really< suck.
Message-ID: <002801beba8c$5a5d3c00$6a0d84d0@korgx3>
>there. I'm not asking if anyone here is BETTER than Jordan, but does
>anyone know if the board he uses can GET a better lead sound? It's a
>total song killer for me, hearing that tone! Man, I'm such a prick, but
heheh. I dunno. I've played a couple of Kurzweil's, good ones, too, and
can't ever remember finding a lead sound that even resembled "Chewbacca on
Crack and Steroids." I totally agree wtih Chris, Derek's lead sounds rocked
the boat, and I think Derek's solos and odd sounds are my favorite things in
FII. Now, I love hearing Jordan do those sweet intricate piano runs and
I'll even admit I thought the accordian solo was a nice touch, but those
cheap plastic kazoo/non-decaying-violin sounding analog solos are dated,
imo. Unfortunately, that's all I can use for now on the X3, as that's all
it came with.
What we need to do mostly, though, is introduce the Rude-man to a Korg
Trinity with a ribbon controller. Holy shit, those things are nuts. :)
It's amazing what they can do to a simple sound just tapping on them or
running your finger back and forth across them while playing. If Jordan had
one of these he would be unstoppable, I think. :)
Rah.
-- KorgX3 NP: Gary Hoey - Animal Instinct------------------------------
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:03:05 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Spock's Beard Message-ID: <ba7eb0c6.249d5179@aol.com>
>< I picked up Spock's Beard's 'Day For Night' CD yesterday...And I'm sorry it did. This could be the worst CD I've ever heard in my entire life. Seriously, I was listening to it and all the vocal harmony and stuff make it sound like a Christian music CD. Bleh. ><
Why, cause it's not metal?
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:22:25 +0100 From: tomas.jutenfaldt@arrow.se To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ang:YTSEJAM digest 4918 Message-ID: <TFSXOQYT@arrow.se>
Hi!
I will be on vacation during week 25 & 26, and will be back in business on the 5th of july.
Richard K„rrstr”m, here in the warehouse, will handle my phonecalls during this time, but this job is new for him, so for more complicated matters, please contact Fazil G”ker.
Best regards, Tomas Jutenf„ldt
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:02:17 -0400 From: jeff hochberg <slave1@nycap.rr.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Illogical Logic Message-ID: <376C1369.B849BD67@nycap.rr.com>
> The essential point here is that everyone has a right to like or > dislike your music, and that people's opinions cannot be > discounted merely because they could not produce better music > themselves.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, we know! I think everyone got your point after reading the first 2 sentences... was so much pseudo-intellectual fluff really necessary??? Sheesh! Jimbo!
Jeff
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:18:11 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: if you dont have a clue.... Message-ID: <199906192318.SAA24355@mail.busprod.com>
>Yup. I'm glad someone exposed this BS argument. This "if you can't do >better then you can't criticize it" attitude is completely illogical and >utterly useless. If we apply this reasoning to other areas of life, it would >mean that those of us without culinary skills could not complain if we >received terrible food at a restaurant.
No, it means that you cant tell the cook how to do it better unless you know how.. Whether you like the taste of the meal (which is what you mean when you say "it was terrible") is a subjective thing. You are right in claiming that that is your proviledge. What you cannot say for example is "it needs more butter" unless you are experienced in cooking. People make the mistake of thinking those are the same things. When you appreciate something as a listener it is different than when you critic things as a musician. They are NOT EQUAL. One is a subjective judgement based upon your preferences. The other is a comparison based upon your experience. One is an inate priveledge, the other has to be earned. I bet you wouldnt appreciate people coming up to you an criticising the way you do your job unless they had the experience to do so. Thats an imperfect analogy but it tries to illustrate the point.
Its not that yo have to be "better" in order to criticise someones methods, but you at least have to be knowledgable.
bforst@busprod.com bruce
"subtlety is the mark of truth."
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:40:33 -0500 From: Anna <sionell@airmail.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Peter Gabriel Song Message-ID: <376C2A70.1A8B3EDA@airmail.net>
BABS asked:
> While we are on the Genesis subject, I seem to remember eons ago a > soundtrack to the movie Against All Odds (yeah it even had Phil Collins > singing that "Take a look at me now..." tune on it., but if I recall > correctly had a really "weird/unique" sounding Peter Gabriel tune on it, > does anybody recall that song and it's name? >
Damn... that *was* eons ago! :) That song would be "Walk Through The Fire." I've actually got the 12" vinyl single of that because I just thought it was so seriously cool.
-- Anna .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. http://www.cyberramp.net/~sionell
"All of us get lost in the darkness Dreamers learn to steer by the stars" ~ Neil Peart
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:10:43 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: New mp3 shows and help needed! Message-ID: <4.1.19990619200946.00957380@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Hey, Adam. I am having a hell of a time logging into your ftp site. I have tried with internet explorer 5, ftp explorer and dos based ftp in the wi9n98 directory and only the dos based ftp works, which is not exactly the way I wish to go. I am using an anonymous log-in. What is the deal? At 09:50 PM 6/17/99 , you wrote: > > Hey folks... > > Three new shows up in mp3 format on my FTP server (24.5.106.175 - anonymous). > > 1) Pink Floyd - 2/28/80 from Nassau Colliseum (2 disc) > 2) Medeski Martin and Wood 11/15/98 (1 disc) > 3) Bela Fleck 4/5/98 (2 discs) > > The MMW and Fleck shows were uploaded to me by The Reverend (thanks!), but > unfortunately neither have setlists available. I'll be out of town this > weekend so I can't look for them myselves. If anyone could help me with > venue/location/setlists for these shows I'd really appreciate it. Both are > excellent quality, so hopefully some folks can download and share their > knowledge. :) > > Again, I'm out of town until Monday, so if the server has a prob (tho' it > hasn't yet) it might not be fixed 'till then. Also, I can only allow 6 > users on at a time, so it gets busy (which results in a bunch of emails for > me). All I can tell you is 1) DO NOT user a browser to download these > files and 2) please keep trying - you'll get through eventually. :) Take > care all, and I hope you enjoy these. > > Adam > > _________________________________________________ > Adam Pye (Alpine) > alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 41032734 > http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 > ^^ Above URL for MP3 of the Week and Tapelist w/ Setlists > __________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:34:04 -0500 From: "A Change Of Seasons" <dreamtheater@cjnetworks.com> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: I'm begging for help... Message-ID: <001b01bebabc$fcc46560$452fe9cc@o5h0w2>
Hey Jammers...
I seriously need some help here... I installed a DVD-rom drive in my computer and need a software solution to play DVD movies.. Does ANYBODY know where I can download such software???
I know that at least some jammers out there are insanely intelligent techies (I hope) and could at least point me in the right direction...
Private email preferred...
thanks poj ********************************************************************* "Seize the day!" I heard him say. "Life will not always be this way. Look around. Hear the sounds. Cherish your life while you're still around!" ********************************************************************* A Change Of Seasons -- by Dream Theater email me @ <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> ICQ#31820332
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:50:54 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917 Message-ID: <ba81d704.249db10e@aol.com>
> To the ppl. that have Planet X ? How is it like ? I hope it isn't like > Platypus AT ALL... I just didn't like it.
Planet X is nothing like Platypus. Whole different concept.
> I remember someone posted about why Derek didn't play in FII like he did on > Platypus... I will say it quite contrary: WhY the h.. he didn't play on > Platypus like he did on FII, you know... LITS intro type thing.
If you like the LITS intro, then Planet X will be your album. It is closer to the LITS intro than Platypus, but it goes WAY BEYOND the LITS intro. Perhaps Portnoy has heard it and would like to share his thoughts. Planet X is Derek being Derek. Self-indulgent? hell yeah.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ivan Carvajal <usnavi@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Myung Message-ID: <19990620042803.18868.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
Hi. I am a bass player and after Geddy Lee , John Myung is my greatest influence; and I must confirm that he is really a very important part of DT. The bas lines in most of the songs are like the structure of it; and he doesn't allways makes it complex; he is the only one, - maybe sometimes after KevMo - that combines perfectly complexity and musicality, just hear those harmonics...
Anyway, think about it, what can be more diffcult than preventing that Mike and JohnP just sound like some noises apart...
It's really difficult to say who's the best in DT, because they are all the bests in what they play...
Saludos...
Ivan
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:11:55 -0300 From: JPMkorg74 <yanelmar@www.rieder.net.py> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ThanX! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990620011155.00686880@mail.rieder.net.py>
>>Nah... If you really wanna be stunned, do like I did: buy their selftitled debut album first... You'll like it, but you'll wonder if 'that band' doesn't have more potential. Then get the Damnation game and be amazed. For even more excitement get Twilight next,... and just when you're asking yourself if those guys can still do better, THEN get your hands on Divine Wings... This'll be the culmination of all your S-X expieriences...:-)
Man ! You want me to go BROKE !!
I definetely will give 'em a try... *sigh* so many things to hear... so little time ($$$$)
Outlander's advice: >>Just wanted to quickly comment To anyone that has not heard "Stiletto in the Sand" needs to. Its at www.shadowgallery.com
TOTALLY AGREED !!! Just great song !
When I hear the cd, I tend to think of it as a soundtrack of a movie... It's so visual.. you know, you hear it and then imagine what's happening in there. I really can't hear just a single song of it. When I sit down to give it a listen, I have to listen all the CD !
Thanx to Peter & Joe.. TDWOT is already on my wish list at CDNOW !
C-Ya! Yan.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:23:19 EDT From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Sullivan song? Message-ID: <222043bd.249dd4c7@aol.com>
Hey everyone. I just saw "Saving Private Ryan." Great movie. Anyway-my question-even though it doesn't relate to DT, I figure someone has to know this. There was a song about the five Sullivan boys that are mentioned in the movie. It came out about 3 or 4 years. Can anyone tell me what the title is and who the artist is please. It was a real cool song. Plus, it's driving me crazy trying to sing it in my head. Thanks a bunch TW "I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset"
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 02:44:09 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: if you dont have a clue.... Message-ID: <8ae2394f.249de7b9@aol.com>
>< No, it means that you cant tell the cook how to do it better unless you know how.. Whether you like the taste of the meal is a subjective thing. You are right in claiming that that is your proviledge. What you cannot say for example is "it needs more butter" unless you are experienced in cooking. ><
If you *like* more butter...than use more butter.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 03:41:50 EDT From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The Circus Message-ID: <7305a32f.249df53e@aol.com>
Has anyone been to the circus lately? I just recently went to the circus (3 hours ago) and I noticed the background band. It was actually quite good stuff the drummer had somewhat of a dbl bass thing going and the guitarist reminded me that of Joe Satriani. There was also a trumpet player and some other certain instruments in there, but man it was almost pure prog. Anyway Im loving the accordian solo on Another Dimension, its definitely cool! CHuck
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 03:49:03 EDT From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Myung Message-ID: <fbba2712.249df6ef@aol.com>
I was just thinking the same thing about Levin man! I would like to hear someones opinion on how Planet X will be. If you drummers out there havent heard Virgil Donati will be on this album and if you read the recent Modern Drummer with him in it you would know he practices up to ten houurs a day no exceptions!!!!!!!! He has even stayed away from any type of realtionship such as marriage or children because of his practicing! What an animal! CHuck
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:23:45 +0800 From: Michael Mah / HadeSlayeR <cybersaint@cyberjunkie.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Hi Message-ID: <376CB321.999FE952@cyberjunkie.com>
Hey there pple i'm new to the list..just wanna say harlow!
laterz, Mike aka HadeSlayeR EMAIL:cybersaint@cyberjunkie.com The Oracles:http://www.cyberjunkie.com/cybersaint
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:54:31 -0600 From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@mail.geocities.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Actual DTC! (ToT from OIAL) Message-ID: <l03110701b392be5ce4c7@[209.30.66.162]>
Hi jammers,
I actually (for once!) have some for real and for true DTC! :) And this might start a nice discussion, so here goes.
I was listening to Trial of Tears from Disc 2 of Once in a Livetime. I'm groovin' along to the "free form" intro, and something around 1:30 strikes me as not quite right, so I backed it up. It was that section of temple blocks that's like "The Trees." It just bugged me really bad. So after some listening to a Rush CD and back to OIAL, I realized that the temple blocks seemed rushed for the first 3 sets, and then it seemed to space out properly.
That made me think of 2 things. First, it bothers me to have something so rushed on an actual release. I mean, if this had been the fan club CD, I could live with it. But this is something made for public consumption. So wouldn't they have chosen a different version of this (like from another night of the tour)?
Second, Mike's a great musician, and I have all the respect in the world for him. So why would he do this? Was it simply messing up (as we are all apt to do), or was he just going along with the "free form" theme that they were all playing?
Either way, the CD is released, so there's nothing that can be done about it. It just bugged me, so I thought I'd share. Any other assholes, er, opinions, on the free form issue? ;) Thoughtful discussion only. Flames will politely be ignored. With liberty and justice for all, amen. :)
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters ytsekirby@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 Kirby on irc.dreamt.org:2112
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: oh yeah? You get up there and do it then... Message-ID: <19990620173351.27578.rocketmail@web135.yahoomail.com>
Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> wrote:
> How about this, though... does anyone (Mike?) know if Jordan just > doesn't like old school analog sounds for leads? Is he going to use the same lead > sound on the new DT? I'm not asking if anyone here is BETTER than Jordan, but does > anyone know if the board he uses can GET a better lead sound? It's a > total song killer for me, hearing that tone!
I can't tell the difference between analog and digital sounds (Aren't they all digital now? At least digital representations of old analog sounds?), but some of Jordan's leads sound a lot like the old sounds that Jan Hammer used to use. I think I read somewhere that Jordan was a fan of Jan Hammer. Personally, I was never really fond of Jan Hammer's lead sound. I always thought of it as a "old" synth sound... I don't know if that's the tone that hurts your ear or not.
BH
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:55:07 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE Vaults setlist Message-ID: <376C1FCB.49C6AB64@mol.com.mk>
>From the Vaults gig, Live in Philadelphia - 22 January!
Thanks again to the jammer who originally posted the answer but I messed it up! :( Can someone send me the exact songlist, in the right order as it was played? Thanx -- CyberDuke ________________________________________
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