YTSEJAM Digest 4936
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer!
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
2) Why does religious music have to be clean?
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
3) Genesis... Firth Of Fifth?
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
4) Re: Why does religious music have to be clean?
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
5) Re: Why does religious music have to be clean?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) RIAA cocksucker
by "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
7) Re: RIAA cocksucker
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
8) [Fwd: Holy Virgil]
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
9) symphony x
by Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
10) syrass
by Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
11) Re: Genesis prog? YES!
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
12) Re: Dogpile on Syrinx!
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
13) Re: Genesis... Firth Of Fifth?
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4935
by Diablo6491@aol.com
15) Re: Genesis... Firth Of Fifth?
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
16) The Blair Witch Project
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
17) Re: Genesis... Firth Of Fifth?
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
18) Re: syrass
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:05:26 -0300
From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer!
Message-ID: <004401bebdc4$80a6b040$0ac55bd1@viper>
]From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer!
>> bah, and new york should be the capital of the US too :) moo.
>
> And isn't it the capital? :-) You know, like Rio de Janeiro or
> Sao Paulo being capitals of Brazil... :-)
no way, i know better than that, the capital of brazil is portugal. moo.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:05:27 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Why does religious music have to be clean?
Message-ID: <199906232305.SAA14772@mail.busprod.com>
>Why does religious music have to be clean? I think that religious metal
>bands could probably be the coolest way to get the message across to a
>newer generation (not that I want to force any religious beliefs I might
>have down anybody's throat). If I were to want to listen to the music of
>God, why not let it be heavy metal as opposed to that poppy, sappy music
>of Michael W. Smith?
I would say that its mostly a question of credibility. Unless you look like
a band that promotes a positive lifestyle then you might have trouble
selling to some of the more fundemental religious people. Some parents I
think feel justified in believing that even "aggresive" or "violent"
SOUNDING music is a bad influence on their kids despite the bands intent or
message. I have a friend that comes from a pretty strict religious family
and her parents have to give a green light to anything she wants to listen,
watch or participate in. Heavy music might get nixed out of hand due to the
reputation that heavy music has in promoting rebellion.
bruce
bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:18:18 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Genesis... Firth Of Fifth?
Message-ID: <v04020a1ab39715ed41d5@[195.14.244.44]>
Hi!
Syrinx:
>1971). Albums to check out: Selling England By The Pound (is there a
>greater progressive song in history than Firth Of Fifth?), Foxtrot
Uh... well... don't want to start another discussion, but hell, you will
start discussions here by just saying "hello", so WTF...
I guess I could tell you *several dozens* of greater prog songs than Firth
Of Fifth. It starts with one of the absolutely greatest piano intros of all
time, agreed, but unfortunately the rest of the song is terribly boring
IMHO. What about the real killers from this album like Cinema Show?
But I guess it's just a matter of taste. I like the more powerful and crazy
stuff, that's one of the reasons why Genesis' fragile art rock never worked
for me as good as something like Relayer from Yes, Gentle Giant's mid-70s
material, or just anything that this Long Island based band we all know put
out since 1989.
BTW, some nice flaming here lately...
Steffen
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:23:31 -0300 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Why does religious music have to be clean? Message-ID: <008801bebdc7$09fbefc0$0ac55bd1@viper>
]From: Bruce Forst <bforst@busprod.com> Subject: Why does religious music have to be clean?
>
>>Why does religious music have to be clean? I think that religious metal > >I would say that its mostly a question of credibility. Unless you look like >a band that promotes a positive lifestyle then you might have trouble
but see, it's not. there ARE christian metal bands, and no one calls them the devil with god's name on it or something. except my old pastor, but he called Van Halen's Dreams (?) devil music because it had syncopation. hehe. and "that gay guy, John Alton... what's that? oh, Elton John." he had obviously done his research. :) but my point is, tourniquet is just as credible as jars of clay. moo.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:30:49 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Why does religious music have to be clean? Message-ID: <199906232330.QAA17571@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Bruce Forst thus begged: > >>Why does religious music have to be clean? I think that religious metal >>bands could probably be the coolest way to get the message across to a >>newer generation (not that I want to force any religious beliefs I might >>have down anybody's throat). If I were to want to listen to the music of >>God, why not let it be heavy metal as opposed to that poppy, sappy music >>of Michael W. Smith? > >I would say that its mostly a question of credibility. Unless you look like >a band that promotes a positive lifestyle then you might have trouble >selling to some of the more fundemental religious people. Some parents I >think feel justified in believing that even "aggresive" or "violent" >SOUNDING music is a bad influence on their kids despite the bands intent or >message. I have a friend that comes from a pretty strict religious family >and her parents have to give a green light to anything she wants to listen, >watch or participate in. Heavy music might get nixed out of hand due to the >reputation that heavy music has in promoting rebellion.
Let's just keep the whole religious debate to music... let's not let it get outta hand like previous times. Thanks.
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:32:27 +0200 From: "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RIAA cocksucker Message-ID: <000901bebdd0$c4a5ccc0$ccd852c3@rob>
Excuse my being an ignorant non-American, but what is the RIAA?
Rob
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: RIAA cocksucker Message-ID: <19990624002311.27017.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com>
--- Robert Sindermann <sindermann@get2net.dk> wrote: > > Excuse my being an ignorant non-American, but what > is the RIAA? > > Rob
You're not ignorant just b/c you're not an American. If someone made you feel that way, (s)he is an asshole.
Anyway, the RIAA are kind of a police unit for the music biz. They make a big deal out of little things like mp3s and generally make themselves a nuisance. You can learn more if you read the fuckin' FAQ! Heh heh, just kiddin'. :o) The internet might be a good source tho. Okie, I've got a question for other jammers. Does the RIAA only handle matters relating to America or are they global? Just curious. === *Trent
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:12:59 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: [Fwd: Holy Virgil] Message-ID: <3771780B.1D9DC935@ozemail.com.au>
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Oh, you can surely count on a 2 LONG virgil solos, ( as we are doing 2 shows}
These shows will be recorded on multi track and mixed. they will also be videoed.
we just did our final rehearsal yesterday, and all that i can say, is that not only is this band more technical that DT, but it has way more soul, fire. and no rectum puckering vocals!!!!
come witness the spectacle!! thur nite Baked Potato hollywood!!
thanks derek
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:56:52 GMT From: Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: symphony x Message-ID: <19990624005652.52684.qmail@hotmail.com>
The Divine Wings of Tragedy.. it's a progressive masterpiece.. come to think of it.. so are The Damnation Game and Twilight in Olympus .. but DWoT is my fave i think..
god i love Symphony X
inferno np: symphony x - the divine wings of tragedy
>I stumbled onto Lisa Marie's page, and downloaded a Symphony X song. They >are pretty good. Can anyone reccommend an alubum for a starter?
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:09:39 GMT From: Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: syrass Message-ID: <19990624010940.72082.qmail@hotmail.com>
damnit! i wanted to hear a witty retort.. or a shitty retort.. either way this "fuck syrass" thread is the funniest thing that's happened to the jam in a while.. i'm dissapointed..
i haven't been around long enough to know why syrinx is a "cocksucker" (as mojo so eliquently put it) .. maybe mojo, or mosh, or korg (seem to all agree on the matter) can enlighten us newbies as to the nature of the cocksuckage that's taken place
from what i can tell he just spouts opinions on bands and stuff
i'm just about possitive this isn't DT content and shouldn't be posted but the veterines seem to be jumping on the bandwagon, so what the hell... i might as well :)
inferno NP: Rush - 2112
>This is my last comment on the matter, so have fun spewing venom at >others!
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:23:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com> Subject: Re: Genesis prog? YES! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9906232121270.29371-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> > I would as well for those who want to discover the band with Peter > >on vocals, but AToTT and W&W aren't bad either. Then again, neither is > >Duke. > > > I didn't mean to imply they were bad, just that I didn't like > them as much. I also feel that the Gabriel-era albums are somewhat > more agressive and "proggy" which may appeal more to DT fans.
A good place to start then would be "genesis live" - from the foxtrot tour. they sound a hell of a lot better live than they did in the studio, and in the studio they were amazing.
> > I'm actually going to have to go against you on this. I feel that > >the early Marillion stuff (again, it's just my opinion) is TOO much > >genesisique for my tastes (not that is necessarily a bad thing!) so I like > >the Hogarth era material alot more than the Fish era material. Again, > >just my opinion. > > > > There's a definite division of taste over the older Marillion > and newer Marillion. While I like many of the newer albums, like "Brave" > and "Afraid of Sunlight", I *love* the earlier Marillion albums. The > early Marillion's music and vocals have that "magical" sound for me that > I&W and Awake do. I think that "Misplaced Childhood" and "Clutching at > Straws" are especially strong overall.
I think CaS is the stronger of the two, actually! I don't know what it is..
> For those who have no idea what we're talking about, you'll > have to give Marillion a try for yourselves. :-)
Agreed. It took me a long time to get into Marillion, but once I did there's no turning back I assure you. :)
- mike.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:23:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com> Subject: Re: Dogpile on Syrinx! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9906232123140.29371-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> >> anyone else for that matter. Misery loves company, but I refuse to follow > >> you. This is my last comment on the matter, so have fun spewing venom at > > > >Yah, I had a dream the other night that Syrinx really pissed me off and I'm > >having a really difficult time separating fantasy from reality! Syrinx, you > >cornhole! I should never have loaned you my library card, you bastard! > >What's the first thing you do but go buy a bunch of CD's on it, violating my > >virginity! Blah! :) Don't ever take Syrinx out for dinner cuz he'll just > >eat all of the asparagus without even asking if you wanted any! Blah! > > Syrinx doesn't buy CD's... every artist has to send him a CD for review first, > he's the RIAA's clearing house.
finally - the truth comes out. :)
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> Subject: Re: Genesis... Firth Of Fifth? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9906232124380.29371-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> >1971). Albums to check out: Selling England By The Pound (is there a > >greater progressive song in history than Firth Of Fifth?), Foxtrot > > Uh... well... don't want to start another discussion, but hell, you will > start discussions here by just saying "hello", so WTF... apparently, eh? :)
> I guess I could tell you *several dozens* of greater prog songs than Firth > Of Fifth. It starts with one of the absolutely greatest piano intros of all > time, agreed, but unfortunately the rest of the song is terribly boring > IMHO. What about the real killers from this album like Cinema Show?
Definatly a good track, don't get me wrong. I don't get where you say that FoF is boring, but hey - different strokes for different folks. SEbtP is probably the best Gabriel-era album to get, but that's (as always) up for interpatation.
> But I guess it's just a matter of taste.
Exactly.
> BTW, some nice flaming here lately...
Stupid flaming I'd call it, but flaming none the less.
- m.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:41:07 EDT From: Diablo6491@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4935 Message-ID: <4a07f287.24a2e6b3@aol.com>
<< I may not be a deeply religious person, but I do know that religion likes to spread the Word (it's written in the Bible that you should "spread the Good News"). And what better way to spread the Word to the younger generation than in a language that they understand? That's my religious comment for the day. >>
I actually meant that the music, lyricaly, was clean. I messed that up. I meant no swearing and stuff. Sorry:> ALSO, I dont really like Michael W. Smith myself, but I am in love with JArs of Clay:> They get the message across beautifuly and ARE NOT a pop group:>
RaY
np: Symphony X
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:44:56 -0400 From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Genesis... Firth Of Fifth? Message-ID: <37719BA8.91E1821B@frontierlogic.com>
Syrinx wrote: > > > Uh... well... don't want to start another discussion, but hell, you will > > start discussions here by just saying "hello", so WTF... > > apparently, eh? :) > Oh fuck you cocklicker! I told you NOT to write shit that enters my inbox! Die! If you want to talk to jammers, privately email them!
-m o j o m a n
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Blair Witch Project Message-ID: <19990624024951.8253.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com>
Whoever it was that posted the link about the The Blair Witch Project has made me happy and yet cursed. I blindly followed the links because the description about the film seemed cool. For the next 45 minutes I searched the net for anything that had to do with this film. Man, I got scared just looking at the links and now I HAVE to see that movie. Its about terror on the most primitive level. This movie seems like it could scare the eebie-jeebies out of just about anyone. So whoever it was that posted those links, thank you.
=== John Parks jpyyz@yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com> Subject: Re: Genesis... Firth Of Fifth? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9906232255550.5225-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> > > Uh... well... don't want to start another discussion, but hell, you will > > > start discussions here by just saying "hello", so WTF... > > > > apparently, eh? :) > > > Oh fuck you cocklicker! I told you NOT to write shit that enters my > inbox! Die! If you want to talk to jammers, privately email them!
no. <smooch> don't like it? unsub like you did 2 years ago.
- m.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:03:12 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: syrass Message-ID: <004601bebdee$244acaa0$750d84d0@korgx3>
> i haven't been around long enough to know why syrinx is a "cocksucker" (as > mojo so eliquently put it) .. maybe mojo, or mosh, or korg (seem to all
I didn't say he was a cocksucker, I said he was a cornhole, you stupid son of a !#$%! Go @#$% yourself trying to put words in my mouth! So you think that because you can use a !#$%ing quotation mark you're @#$%ing Yoda or something? If I were Mike Portnoy I'd @#$^ing @#$^ a @#$%ed up @#$% @#$ up your *%*(ing (@#!
hehehe. :) I hope you didn't think my post was a slam against Syrinx. :) I'm sure he's already flattened Mojo and Mosh into !@#$ing PANCAKES, BOYEEEEEE!!!!
But just don't expect to see any asparagus remain uneaten in Sy's presence.
And Syrinx dost spake: > Agreed. It took me a long time to get into Marillion, but once I > did there's no turning back I assure you. :)
Jeez. Now, this was back in the time when I was still a full blown metal-fanatic when I still thought Savatage was a wuss-metal band, but I found Clutching at Straws in the used bin at the local CD shoppe one day and used the "good faith" method of picking up a recommend from the 'jam. I went into it under the idea that it was going to be like old 80's pop, but holy @#$%. Even then I really got my jollies off of that album. The opening "Hotel Hobbies" trilogy left me rather speechless. I think what caught me the most off of the whole thing was Fish's intricate wordplay. IMO, Fish is one of the most amazing lyricists (not to mention singers) I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. Fish can just put what he's thinking straight into prose somehow. I love it. :) As far as older Marillion, I still like it alot, but I'm a Fish-era listener mostly. hehehe. -- KorgX3 is gonna go light a campfire. NP: Bradley Joseph - Rapture
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