YTSEJAM Digest 4915
Today's Topics:
1) Paradise Lost
by "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
2) Re: WTF?
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
3) Re: LTE 2 Cravings/Genesis
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
4) RE: LTE 2 Cravings
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
5) Fills
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
6) Ang:YTSEJAM digest 4914
by tomas.jutenfaldt@arrow.se
7) LTE 2 JUST PLAIN KICKS ASS!!! ( and stop being so critical )
by YtseJamJMB@aol.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4913
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
9) The Progressive Label
by Compadre32@aol.com
10) Liquid Tension Excrement :)
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Keven-Derek, the sparing continues
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
12) yeah
by Gabriel de Medeiros Galvao <gabriel_galvao@geocities.com>
13) New mp3 shows and help needed!
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
14) "Ripples..."
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@triton.net>
15) Re: Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer!
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
16) cds
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
17) A Passion Play (NDTC)
by Farquhar McKinnon <f_mckinnon@hotmail.com>
18) selection question
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
19) new therion
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
20) Re: long songs/bar music/bat country/Vindaloo
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:24:02 +0200
From: "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Paradise Lost
Message-ID: <001901beb910$21415e60$3dca8e81@rob>
Graham Boyle wrote:
> Can someone who has the new Paradise Lost CD tell me how bad it is
> please ?
I too was disappointed when PL changed styles radically on "One=20
Second" but I must say that I really enjoy listening to "Host". Maybe =
it's
because I had accepted that the band which put out some of my all-time
favorite albums (esp. "Icon" and "Draconian Times") is no more.=20
If you listen to the new album without prejudice (oh my God, a George
Michael reference!) and without thinking about where the band came
from, it's a brilliant, modern rock album with electronic stuff to spice
things up. It's still drenched with melancholy and atmosphere and -
most importantly - the songs are excellent.
At least give it a try. It's much better than "One Second", probably
because they've learned how to handle all the electronic gear
properly and can focus on the song writing again.
Rob
NP: Vauxdvihl "To Dimension Logic"
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website: http://hjem.get2net.dk/sindermann
e-mail: sindermann@get2net.dk
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:40:15 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: WTF?
Message-ID: <3769794F.662DC306@yunque.net>
Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
>
> >DALI'S DILEMMA/MANIFESTO FOR FUTURISM (CD)
>
> I suppose you lucky bastages who actually DID get this CD should hang onto
> them. :P Blah. I guess I'm gonna have to actually fork out big bucks for
> it now. Damn.
> --
> KorgX3
This is wierd, specially since i just went to cd now and searched for it..and
its still listed..
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:42:01 -0400
From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE 2 Cravings/Genesis
Message-ID: <199906171538304@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
"Ripples" by Genesis from the album Trick of the Tail. Lead vocals: Phil Collins (before he wimped out). <grin> A great album.
Rob
<<BTW, I heard a really cool song on 97 Rock (out of Buffalo, NY) the other
night. It was called "Ripple" and sounded like Marillion, but I assume was
Genesis. My question is that I could not tell if it was Peter Gabriel
singing or Phil Collins. Can anybody enlighten me?>>
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:05:13 +0100
From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: LTE 2 Cravings
Message-ID: <000c01be2a1a$184f0260$b8da52c3@flskesteg>
Barara B could no longer hold back the question:
>BTW, I heard a really cool song on 97 Rock (out of Buffalo, NY) the other
>night. It was called "Ripple" and sounded like Marillion, but I assume was
>Genesis. My question is that I could not tell if it was Peter Gabriel
>singing or Phil Collins. Can anybody enlighten me?
Title: Ripples... (the '...' are/is(?) a part of the title) by Tony Banks
and Phil Collins
Album: A Trick to the Tail
Year: 1976
Lead vocalist: Phil Collins
kick-arse album...if you can find it, buy it!
On the long-hair thread: IMO KJLB, MP, KevMo and JP should all have kept
their hairstyles! BTW what's the state of JM's hair-do? KevMo's?
Take care now, bye-bye then
Simon Long Krogh
NP: Genesis - Harold the Barrel
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:49 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Fills
Message-ID: <199906172315.QAA12862@knight.axnet.net>
This post isn't about food (but the next one will be).
CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com writes
"I think it was Amanda that I am agreeing with on a past posting
but Mike's fills are getting predictable..."
Actually that was me, unless Amanda snuck one in that I missed.
I said something along the lines of air drumming on my first
listen and "air-filling" the same things (essentially) that Mike
was playing. But you know something? I would say that most rock
(prog-rock too) drummers do a lot of the same fills. It's not
a bad thing, but falls into each drummer's "bag of tricks." I know
I tend to play similar sounding fills. How many times have you
heard Neil Peart do a 16th and 32nd note single stroke fill going
from the high toms to the low (the roundhouse fill)? No one accuses
him of being cheesy (at least not around me :) ). How many times
have you heard Vinnie Colaiuta do turn-arounds on the ride when
playing odd time? How about Tim "Herb" Alexander's double bass
triplet patterns? See what I mean?
Drumming is, by it's nature, a fairly repetitive activity as your
primary purpose is time-keeping. Doing that in an exciting and
creative way that relates to the melodies is what makes the instrument
so fascinating. Who cares if your licks are similar sounding? If
they make good rhythmic sense and carry your unique feel, I say
fuck it and go!
/me fucks it and goes.
-Rahul Ananda-
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 1:11:21 +0100
From: tomas.jutenfaldt@arrow.se
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Ang:YTSEJAM digest 4914
Message-ID: <TFSUCDPD@arrow.se>
Hi!
I will be on vacation during week 25 & 26, and will be back in business on
the 5th of july.
Richard K„rrstr”m, here in the warehouse, will handle my phonecalls during
this time, but this job is new for him, so for more complicated matters,
please contact Fazil G”ker.
Best regards,
Tomas Jutenf„ldt
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:36:18 EDT
From: YtseJamJMB@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE 2 JUST PLAIN KICKS ASS!!! ( and stop being so critical )
Message-ID: <ed0a648a.249aee82@aol.com>
]From the past CDs I have listened too, I have always been very critical of
the music. For LTE 2 I thought I would just listen and enjoy. For me it was
much more enjoyable this way. Some people on this list should try it, and
stop complaining about Portnoy's drum fills being too predictable. For me
everything sounded great, and Portoys drumming continues to kick ass. If all
his fills aren't as complicated and original as you would like them to be,
then why don't you get a band and come up with a new fill for every song you
create with your band. Once again the CD kicks ass and all the members of
LTE have improved, especially Tony's speed on the chapman stick.
Later All,
Justin Sepulveda
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:58:26 EDT
From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4913
Message-ID: <4cfa495b.249af3b2@aol.com>
I agree with Trent ACOS is one of DT's greatest songs, but now Im
listening to When the Water Breaks and nothing is even comparing!
Chuck
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:11:45 EDT
From: Compadre32@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Progressive Label
Message-ID: <6d0c9f69.249af6d1@aol.com>
Well Folks, here everyone goes again. I believe it was sometime in
Feb. when this subject was debated to shit as it seems it might be again.
Its the ever-changing definition of progressive music. As much as everyone
says it, i do not believe that it is simply "music which progresses through
time". IMO, most music progresses through time. All art does. As the
imagination grows with creativity, the results take a progressive form. So,
what is progressive music?? For sure, it has a distinct feel and sound to
it. Just like country, r&b and all that other "music". Many bands could be
labeled as progressive in way or another, but certain bands take it to the
next level (Yes, DT, King Crimson, etc.). These are what most music fans
label real progressive music. Besides all this B.S.----FUCK LABELS. I just
wish music stores would have all their music in alphabetical order instead of
by what they believe that particular music should be labeled as. Feedback
and/or flames are welcome as always.
Compadre32@aol.com
(John Wells)
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:22:44 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Liquid Tension Excrement :)
Message-ID: <002301beb929$2d6f0200$610d84d0@korgx3>
Hmmm.... I haven't had a chance to make it through all of LTE yet,
(actually, only halfway through Another Dimension) and I can already see
GOBS of improvement over the last album. The last one I wasn't too fond of,
Kindred Spirits and Universal Mind being the only songs I actually liked,
the rest I though were OK, but too wanky.
Now LTE 2 that I'm hearing is wanky, but MUCH more thematic and structured
than LTE 1. The playing is tighter than James' leather pants (Now THAT's
tight!). It sounds to me like everyone's just going with the flow rather
than trying to show each other up, which is great. If any of the performers
on this album came up to me and said, "Hey, Korg, I'm the best" I'd kick
them in the balzak and tell them "So you can play fast, but will that keep
me warm on the long, cold nights? I don't think so. That don't impress me
much." I do likes this album, tho.
Or something. :)
On the other hand, I think this CD will kick ass for playing NFS - High
Stakes to.
-- KorgX3 is trying to figure out wtf Jordan is doing half of the time. NP: LTE 2 - 914------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:31:40 EDT From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Keven-Derek, the sparing continues Message-ID: <e57916e.249afb7c@aol.com>
On 6/16 khc@bellsouth.net said "so this is about the only place I CAN talk about Kevin and Derek and Jordan and everything." I agree. Point well taken. Thanks for the note. TW "I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset"
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:43:18 -0400 From: Gabriel de Medeiros Galvao <gabriel_galvao@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: yeah Message-ID: <3769A436.DF219F36@geocities.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:29:27 +0100 > From: "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl> > To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@axnet.net> > Subject: Improv v's Pre-composed > Message-ID: <001301beb8ac$479538c0$03632a0a@rob.seagull.ie> > > My 2 cents: > > I *MUCH* prefer songs which have been composed in advance. It allows > songs/solos to take unexpected turns here and there which could not > otherwise exist. I personally found 3MW on LTE1 very interesting (in t= hat > it gave me some insight into how these guys interact) but I rarely list= en to > it due to its lack to real musical content. > > Haven't heard LTE2 yet but I was relieved to hear that "When the Water > Breaks" was composed in advance. > > Rob.
Man, I like that song and I think that they did great on it. I agree = with you that it hasn't got any structure like: intro, middle, end, and a= ll that stuff. But it's good because of that.
Gabriel Galv=E3o, AKA AbyssEdge. gabriel_galvao@geocities.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:44:49 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New mp3 shows and help needed! Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990617213736.0098a5c0@pop.mindspring.com>
Hey folks...
Three new shows up in mp3 format on my FTP server (24.5.106.175 - anonymous).
1) Pink Floyd - 2/28/80 from Nassau Colliseum (2 disc) 2) Medeski Martin and Wood 11/15/98 (1 disc) 3) Bela Fleck 4/5/98 (2 discs)
The MMW and Fleck shows were uploaded to me by The Reverend (thanks!), but unfortunately neither have setlists available. I'll be out of town this weekend so I can't look for them myselves. If anyone could help me with venue/location/setlists for these shows I'd really appreciate it. Both are excellent quality, so hopefully some folks can download and share their knowledge. :)
Again, I'm out of town until Monday, so if the server has a prob (tho' it hasn't yet) it might not be fixed 'till then. Also, I can only allow 6 users on at a time, so it gets busy (which results in a bunch of emails for me). All I can tell you is 1) DO NOT user a browser to download these files and 2) please keep trying - you'll get through eventually. :) Take care all, and I hope you enjoy these.
Adam
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:19:58 -0700 From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@triton.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: "Ripples..." Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990617221958.007a9580@mail.triton.net>
]From the ever-faithful Ytsejam old-schooler (that's a compliment, btw), Babs:
>BTW, I heard a really cool song on 97 Rock (out of Buffalo, NY) the other >night. It was called "Ripple" and sounded like Marillion, but I assume was >Genesis. My question is that I could not tell if it was Peter Gabriel >singing or Phil Collins. Can anybody enlighten me?
Sure, that's "Ripples..." off Genesis' 1976 A Trick Of The Tail album, which is the first Genesis album after Peter Gabriel left (Phil is singing and playing drums). Excellent album, lots of great songs on that one; "Dance On A Volcano," "Entangled," "Squonk," "Robbery, Assault And Battery," "A Trick Of The Tail," "Los Endos." If you were wary of buying a post-Gabriel Genesis album, ATOTT may pleasantly surprise you.
Jeremy Hyde - tempus@triton.net http://www.lainet.com/~tempus
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:51:35 -0300 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer! Message-ID: <008501beb92d$95d9d320$d6242ac4@viper>
>> From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> > >> >of. :) Maybe Bombay is Indian for chicken or something. >> Who would name the capital of their country "chicken"? :) > >..and as Bombay is not the capital of India - Delhi is -, I think it's >safe to say that "bombay" means chicken indeed. :-)
bah, and new york should be the capital of the US too :) moo.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:08:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com> To: DT list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: cds Message-ID: <19990618040831.12684.rocketmail@web106.yahoomail.com>
>Unfortunately, the following item(s) from order number 9267013 have >recently been deleted from our catalog and have been cancelled from your >order:
>DALI'S DILEMMA/MANIFESTO FOR FUTURISM (CD)
The same damn thing happened to me. I had ordered Ice Age and Dali's. I get a message saying both were canceled... I sent them an email saying WTF, especially since I had used a $10 off coupon. They said if I wanted they would redo the order with the coupon. So I have gotten Ice AGe but Dali's is "out of stock". Mergers (cdnow with musicblvd) suck.
Concerning Ice Age, what does everyone think they are so great for? They are good but they didn't impress me that much.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:10:06 PDT From: Farquhar McKinnon <f_mckinnon@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: A Passion Play (NDTC) Message-ID: <19990618041006.89625.qmail@hotmail.com>
I haven't posted in an ice age, and this is a topic of interest to me as a Tull fan, so I thought I'd give it a go. A Passion Play is definitely an odd item when it comes to CD rereleases. On the LP, there is the first part of APP, which sorta fades out into spacey type music not unlike the bridging of Thick As A Brick, but comes to a rather abrupt halt, after which John Evan does The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles. I'm not sure if it's banded as another track on the LP or not. Slightly less than halfway in, the side ends with an orchestral flourish. Flip it over, and it begins again, ends with some funny vox, and then the spacy type music comes back in as if nothing had happened. Again, I'm not sure if there is a track band here or not. The CD I have has only one track, which has everything on the album as one track (including the "bonus" at the end..."Steve! Caroline!"). There are probably ones with three tracks, ones with two, but I'm not sure. I know for a fact that the Mobile Fidelity audiophile release on CD (1998) has in fact about 16 tracks which each have names, like any "normal album". The flow is preserved so long as you have a normal CD player that doesn't automatically insert space between tracks. There's been a lot of discussion about this on alt.music.jethro-tull. If anyone wants to know more (there's LOTS more), just e-mail me privately, as this is a DT list.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:11:23 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: selection question Message-ID: <000901beb940$a2e64cc0$9383cbcf@indii>
hey jammers, looking for some new cd's to buy. i have a little catalog of new Magna Carta cd's and new some insight....
I am currently listening to DT, Explorer's Club, Symphony X, and need something in this style.... Echant? Royal Hunt? Tempest? Cairo? Shadow Gallery? and which album?
How about other new CD's that aren't in the Magna Carta series..
Are the other 2 Symphony X cd's as good as "Divine Wings of Tragedy".
Is "Steinway To Heaven" any Good... on a scale of 1 to 10 (one being bert and ernie on keyboard and 10 being God......God can be replaced with either Rochmoninoff or KevMo)
I want so fast as hell and really cool keyboard and or piano songs to listen to..(feel free to make other suggestions).
Thanks ... indii
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:40:11 -0300 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: new therion Message-ID: <01beb93c$44c833a0$2f0a010a@alexis1>
Hey people! Anybody heard anything about the new therion album (Crowning of Atlantis) which is going to be released on the 6th of July? I was thinking about pre-ordering it from cdnow, hoping that it's the same style as vovin, but I have no idea if they're staying with that type of sound. Any info will be very appreciated. Thank you very much.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:15:03 -0500 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: long songs/bar music/bat country/Vindaloo Message-ID: <19990618.001622.3302.2.schnapster@juno.com>
A couple more long songs that weren't mentioned:
"The End" (The Doors) - the very song that got the Doors fired from their steady gig at the Whiskey A-Go-Go. One of the more eerie songs around. Still gives me chills.
"Alice's Restaurant" (Arlo Guthrie) - a radio station plays this one only on Thanksgiving. Damn funny at times.
As for the best bar music by the Doors, L.A. Woman is great, but you can't beat Morrison Hotel. "Roadhouse Blues" is a perfect rough bar song. "Alabama Song" has to be one of the best drinking songs around :).
I really need to keep up with my jams. I missed all the Fear & Loathing talk. Great soundtrack, BTW.
As for VIndaloo, my old boss made a mean one, and it did have potatoes in it (and yes, you can ferment potatoes and make a drink. Isn't that what Vodka is made of?). One of the great lines uttered on TV:
"Oh yeah, lager. The only thing that can kill a VIndaloo" - Dave Lister (Red Dwarf)
Just got my shipping confirmation from CD Now for my LTE2 order. Can't wait to hear it.
Dale R> Newberry
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