YTSEJAM Digest 4941
Today's Topics:
1) Thanks to Gravity NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
2) Planet X mp3
by Kevin Moore <dereksux17@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Planet KISS
by Calvin6S@aol.com
4) Planet X show re-cap (my god, this is pretty long)
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
5) Derek and Kevin (don't worry it's not what you think...)
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
6) Live Trinity Dreams
by Raf <bimmered@yahoo.com>
7) lte2
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
8) Hey Steffen!
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
9) Re: Christian bands
by "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
10) Re: Classic Prog...
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
11) flecktones what?
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) Re: lte2
by Dan McCormack <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
13) Sevendust review
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
14) Classic prog bands
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
15) Re: prog band recommendations
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4940
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:07:00 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Thanks to Gravity NDTC
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F43CB@ms.kallback.com>
> > > I started off with a really cool arrangement of a rock version of
> > > Pachelbel's Kanon by a group named Thanks to Gravity
> > From the cd Slingshot. I like that band. They also do a cool cover of a
> > Madonna song. I forget which one. Their major label debut, Start, wasn't
> > quite as good, but it was produced by a guy that's done Rush or
> > somebody. I forgot his name. Boy, I'm just a wealth of information,
> > aren't I?
Rupert Hine?
> The Madonna song they covered was "Justify My Love." I actually feel that
> it's a BETTER version than the original. Where do you live, Trevor? I
> wasn't sure that many people outside of New Hampshire new of them.
I'm in Seattle. A jammer got me into TtG. I think it was Jeremy Kube.
Is he still around?
trevor
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:23:06 GMT
From: Kevin Moore <dereksux17@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Planet X mp3
Message-ID: <19990625102307.14797.qmail@hotmail.com>
It's also up on ftp://193.224.164.146
User name: mp3
Password: mp3
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:54:08 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Planet KISS
Message-ID: <8af64126.24a4b9d0@aol.com>
Concerning Derek:
> I think he belongs in KISS more than DT, while Jordan seems to
> fit in really well.
Wow. Never heard that one before. Please. Tell me WHY Derek is more KISS
than DT. You are confusing ATTITUDE with MUSICIANSHIP. Derek has a rock
and roll attitude but he is way beyond the musicianship of KISS. Derek is
no less a talent than anyone in Dream Theater. What, did he fool DT all
those years? Were his parts prerecorded live? Was he not a major
contributor to some of the best (and most prog) songs on FII? Is it because
Derek can ....... gasp ....... IMPROVISE (hi Mads)? Oh nevermind. Derek has
a lavalamp. I forgot. Appearance is what prog is all about. I can spot
people that "aren't prog" from a mile away.
BTW, I just got back from the second Planet X show with Tony MacAlpine and
Philip Bynoe. I will post more on the concert tomorrow but for now I will
leave you with one word:
VIRGIL
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:29:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Planet X show re-cap (my god, this is pretty long)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990625021825.3828A-100000@crane.cds.caltech.edu>
My last review covered a lot of the details, so I'll skip a lot of them.
Line-up
Derek Sherinian on keys, Virgil Donati on drums, of course. This time,
though, it was Tony MacAlpine (yes, that MacAlpine) on guitar and Philip
Bynoe on bass. I'd never heard of Bynoe before, but calvin7s enlightened
me. Apparently, he's played for Vai (G3 tour and I guess Fire Garden
tour, too).
Track-list
This is pretty much from memory, so I've probably goofed up the order a
bit. But I do know they played everything on the CD.
Day in the Sun
Box
Space Martini
Atlantis
Time Table (song from one of MacAlpine's CDs)
Crab Nebulae
Drum solo
Money Shot
State of Delirium
Brunei Babylon
That's it. Show ran about 70 minutes or so. Half hour or so after the
first show ended, they came back and repeated it.
Musicians
Another thing that was different was that the show was louder. A LOT
louder. Made me wish that I'd taken the trouble to get some ear-plugs at
times. Anyway, a louder show is definitely one way to get the place
rocking:).
I'd say this show had more energy than the last one, mainly because of the
additions of MacAlpine and Bynoe. I'm not a bassist or guitarist, so I
can only speak superficially about their playing. Bynoe is a solid
bassist. Very capable guy. His playing wasn't very flashy, but to be
honest, the music in PX doesn't call for flashy bass-work, except for a
few places. He did some nice embellishments here and there, which suited
the songs beautifully. He also pulled off this wild little run in the
middle of Tony's song. I also saw him engaging in some slapping action
once. As for MacAlpine, it's easy to believe that this dude is one of
those Shrapnel guys. He changed quite a few of Garsed's part, and managed
to work a little bit of shred into his playing, too. It was great
watching him. Calvin also told me that MacAlpine, besides being new to
the songs, was also improvising all over the place. I gotta tell ya,
MacAlpine had me fooled. All his stuff sounded pre-written. Well,
whatever. Anyway, these guys make great replacements for Garsed and
Fierabracci. I dunno what the line-up will be for the next gig, but these
2 did an awesome job. I picked up on a couple of mistakes here and there,
but that's bound to happen with major line-up changes. Also, it makes
any subsequent shows that much more promising, since everybody will be
a lot more comfortable with the material. Plus, MacAlpine and Bynoe added
a lot of stage presence and really livened up the show.
Oh yeah, and I think another reason the show was more energetic is cuz it
was louder. I mean, a LOT louder. Made me wish I'd taken the trouble to
get ear-plugs before the show.
Derek's playing was on the money as always. He mostly played his parts as
written for the CD. A couple of exceptions were a piano part that he
added to one of the songs which I don't remember being on the CD, and he
and MacAlpine had some extended jam during another of the songs which
definitely was not on the CD. That jam was a real treat. Oh yeah, Derek
also continues to pull unearthly sounds out of his rig, hehe. This guy's
got it all. I hope this Planet X venture isn't just a one-time thing and
that he continues to write stuff in this vein. If he keeps drawing the
kinda talent to his project that he has already, anything else he releases
will also be a treat.
Last, Donati. I spent a good chunk of my last review gushing over this
guy (it was the first time I'd seen or heard him). So, I won't say
anymore, except to comment on his solo: FUCK, WHAT A SOLO!!!!
'Nuff said, hehehe.
Overall impressions
A lot of things I liked better about this show than the last. The guitar
was more noticeable this time. I don't know if this was because I sat
closer to where MacAlpine was playing, or if it was because the guitar was
louder in the mix, or some other damn thing. Whatever it was, the guitar
was much more up-front, and I think that really helped the overall sound
(to my ears, anyway). They also did a better job of mic'ing Donati's
drums. A couple of his toms are still a bit hard to hear, but I'm
starting to think that it's just the way he likes his toms to sound
muffled compared to the snare and bass drum.
I said in my last review that Fierabracci and Donati stole the show. It
wasn't the same this time around, because of the presence of MacAlpine and
Bynoe. I found myself watching everybody. Awesome performances all
round. Just a spectacular show.
Humorous banter
After Donati's solo, Derek returned to his rig and said, "All right, let's
try that again!" That got some laughs. Then he followed it up with "That
was nice, but let's see a bit more limb independence and more fancy
foot-work." Hehe.
This review turned out pretty long (like my lab reports), so I'll end it
now:).
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
NP: Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects---Sol Niger Within Version 3.33
Goddam, this is one hell of a CD. Meshuggah fans, if you don't have this
already, fucking get it already!
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:19:27 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek and Kevin (don't worry it's not what you think...)
Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B02D7EC@bham-xchg>
Hey guys,
]From Derek:
> we just did our final rehearsal yesterday, and all that i
> can say, is that not
> only is this band more technical that DT, but it has way
>hollywood!!
>
> thanks derek
> more soul, fire. and
> no rectum puckering vocals!!!!
>
> come witness the spectacle!! thur nite Baked Potato
Well, OK, so I downloaded the MP3s and gave it a big listen, and I love it
(don't worry I will be buying the CD). I have some issues though... It's
almost too progressive, too hectic, it sounds like he sat there and said
"Well fuck them, a rock keyboardist in a prog band eh...I'll show just how
prog I can be". How he expects to conquer the world with this is beyond me.
I don't know anyone outside this list that will like it enough to buy it.
So on to Kevin, well his lyrics to be precise. They rule. They have the
deepness and obscurity that the music requires. He seems quite sad and
lonely, and confused by the world. The second CD (This is a Recording), has
quite a bit of dispair in it (at least that's what I get from it), someone
mentioned a break up with a girl. Well it doesn't sound like he's recovered
at all, it wouldn't suprise me if that was a big factor in his reasons to
leave DT.
So much cool music at the moment,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:51:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Raf <bimmered@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Live Trinity Dreams
Message-ID: <19990625125117.18488.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com>
Greetings Ytsebeings,
I just stopped by B&H on 9th ave. yesterday, and was
fooling around with a Korg Trinity. Looking for a
"Metropolis" patch I once heard about, I fell on a
-Dream Theatre- combo patch....damn why does every one
screw up the spelling! Point is, does anyone know if
this sound was actually used by Derek in the studio or
even live? If so on what song? I couldn't piece
together where the sound might have been used.
Also, I've always found Korg synths (myself an owner
of an 01W), to be much better for ambient, theatrical
type effects. Per say multimedia production. I use
my Korg often to make ambient music/effects to backup
3D animations we produce at work. The results are
great...Point is, I feel that the lead synths Kev and
Jordy use(d) are better suitable to the improv styles
of JP and the rest of the band. Even so, I'll still
miss seeing Derek jam on one of those silver beauties!
Man it always gave me a...growth!
Later Folks,
-Raf-
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and the mysteries we nuture,
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:15:27 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: lte2
Message-ID: <377380EF.26044842@bigfoot.com>
ok, so now that you've all bought a copy of LTE2, can somebody tell me
if 914 is supposed to have anything to do with the area code?
I figure there's what, 900-1200 people here, right? And since you have
all SURELY purchased this thing by now, someone ought to know.
and if you haven't bought this thing yet, which is riciculous but bear
with me..., well let me just make it clear - and I was no huge fan of
the first one, not that it's not in the car's tape deck a lot - this
thing bleeds talent it's so good. It's like a 10fold improvement.
not that it matters, because again, I understand that all of you on THIS
mailing list already have your copies by now, and will surely not be
needing a second. But I thought I would go through the motions.
Josh
Ok, maybe not a 10fold improvment. It's fucking better.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:34:05 -0600
From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hey Steffen!
Message-ID: <000201bdb7d7$d1643960$258726d1@morpheus>
Hey man, you're not the only Gentle Giant fan here. I suggest "Playing the
Fool" A live album, with the amazing excerpts from "octopus" medley. A band
full of multi-instrumentalists! No wonder they didn't last!
-Geoffrey
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:20:40 -0400
From: "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Christian bands
Message-ID: <s7735818.049@weidmuller.com>
How can you mention Christian bands and not include
STRYPER
Whoo, Hoo, the 80s kicked ass.
Kevin Rackley
Official Soul Reason Website
http://members.home.net/soulreason
Currently in the car's changer:
1.) LTE - LTE2
2.) Iron Maiden - Caught Somewhere In Time=20
3.) Stryper - Soldiers Under Command
4.) Virgil Donati - Just Add Water
5.) Dream Theater - Awake
6.) Pantera - Live 101 Proof
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:32:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Classic Prog...
Message-ID: <199906251832.OAA27918@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
>
>Some good recommendations in your list, Steve. Interesting to see,
>though some albums seem to be everyone's darling, it still seems to
>be a matter of taste.
>
Yeah, I always find it fascinating when another prog fan and
I agree on 10 albums but then disagree on 5 others. What is the common
thread that's on the 10 we like but missing from the 5 we don't? :)
>So I'm really surprised that no one mentionend King Crimson's Larks'
>Tongues In Aspik yet. It's the first album with the core lineup
>Fripp/Wetton/Bruford. Very weird stuff, like most Crim albums, but
>the two title tracks (pt. 1 and 2) are among the most aggressive and
>heavy prog songs of all time. But the most surprising thing is, that
>they still sound fresh. They could put them on a 90s Crimson album
>and you wouldn't notice.
>
It's amazing how fresh sounding some of the older Crimson can
be. Robert Fripp was pretty far ahead of his time.
I've never been a huge fan of Crimson really. It's just not
melodic enough for me most of the time, I think. There are exceptions
(such as Starless) but I think that's a big reason I don't enjoy their
albums more. I thought that Discipline and Thrak might be a bit
easier for DT fans to get into at first listen.
>Don't forget Nursery Crime by Genesis, it doesn't stand out like
>Selling England but is still one of their best albums.
>
Yes, that's another good early Genesis album. I think it's
a bit rough in places, but certainly worth getting if you like the
others.
>Rush is a very special case. I never understood why everybody seems
>to love Moving Pictures. I'm trying to get into it for years, and
>well, it's ok, has some great stuff on it, but it never became a
>personal favorite. What about A Farewell To Kings? C'mon, Xanadu and
>Cygnus X-1 alone should be enough reason to put it on a best-of list!
>
I should have included A Farewell to Kings -- I knew I was
going to leave something off! ;-) I really do love "Moving Pictures"
(which I guess is a good example of what I was saying above). The
first three songs are great fun to sing and air-drum to and the last
three show their prog tendencies but are possibly more accessible than
some of their earlier albums.
>And am I still the only Gentle Giant fan on this list? Get Free Hand,
>The Power And The Glory, and Octopus *now*!
>
I've never been able to get into Gentle Giant. Their music is
just a bit too quirky and I don't really like their vocals. If someone
out there is looking for some complex music though, they should pick
up some Gentle Giant! I was almost going to include them in my first
list (along with Kansas and a couple others), but they didn't seem to
have the broad influence the other bands did.
Steve
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:23:46 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: flecktones what?
Message-ID: <377382E2.E7F87DFF@mol.com.mk>
OK, I keep hearing here about that Bela and the Flecktones band or
whatever? What is this stuff?? Never heard before.
2) I prepare to buy my first Spock's Beard CD! :)
I love "the doorway" sample a lot from the SB site. But I don't like
that much the BOD song. How about the rest of the album?
I like both "On the Edge" and "The Light" best, but CDNow doesn't have
The Light right now. :)
The quiz question is what shall I do? :)
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:21:52 AST From: Dan McCormack <cowgod77@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: lte2 Message-ID: <19990625212153.1083.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> >Subject: lte2 > >ok, so now that you've all bought a copy of LTE2, can somebody tell me >if 914 is supposed to have anything to do with the area code?
914 is the area code for new york, or at least a part of it (i just know cuz my friend lives in NY and that's her area code). DT is from LI. yes, this is not DT, but if the title came from mike or john, perhaps they were using their home area code. that's what i assumed, anyway. moo.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:29:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sevendust review Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990625162207.18022A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Well, I'm back, after a long nap as well :) I arrived at the show about 10:05, with Drownpool already playing. They were your typical "trying to make it" opening local act. I will say the bassist did not really look like he wanted to be there. After them came a band called Double Down. they have a record coming out on MCA Aug 17th. My advice:BUY IT! These guys were amazing. Nothing fancy, not heavy, they just rocked. Mixed it up with slow songs, aggressive, and just good rock n roll. MIKE HELL OF AN OPENER. Anyway, Sevendust came out a little later. I was right in the front against the rail for the whole show. I have bruises to show for too. They played a lot of new stuff off their upcoming album "Home" Aug 24th. The new stuff is very good, very heavy. THey played Black, Bitch (which I started the chant for them to play after the started something else, they lead singer heard it and said stop, which was VERY COOL) Terminator, Too close to hate and Speak To me. Energy was very high. The lead singer Lajon (he's black by the way, which makes them have a more unique sound) did some dancing on the stage which was fun to watch. All in all excellent show. If the Warp tour (i know, they are headling a punk tour) comes your way, check out sevendust.
NP:Stuck Mojo-Snappin Necks.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:12:39 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Classic prog bands Message-ID: <3773FED7.CAD8442A@home.com>
Steve Chew said: > You'll get a different answer from everyone you talk to, but here's > my take on the "classic" progressive rock bands.
I think I'd add Kansas onto that list of classic prog bands! (at least I think so.... from what limited knowledge I have of them)
Also, I think a good Pink Floyd album for a PF newbie might be PULSE, since it contains lots of their "classic" tunes.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:25:07 -0300 From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: prog band recommendations Message-ID: <19990625022507.A3350@iname.com>
On Jun 24 1999, Steffen Barabasch wrote: > > And am I still the only Gentle Giant fan on this list? Get Free Hand, > The Power And The Glory, and Octopus *now*!
You are certainly not. I'm one also (and I also subscribe to "On Reflection", like you do).
Anyway, I can't really stress enough the recommendation of "Free Hand". It's an absolute masterpiece of intricate music. If you like very complex music, do yourself a favor and listen to the 2nd track of "Free Hand". People always look at me scared whenever I play this track. And at the same time it is complex and weird, it is also beautiful.
So, if you don't know who GG is, DO get "Free Hand".
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:50:31 EDT From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4940 Message-ID: <82acf33d.24a57dd7@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/25/99 2:19:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< On second thoughts cliched isnt the word to describe it. I am starting to get into the lyrics a bit more. I guess that in Dream Theater his lyrics were more poetic and a bit more tense. Also I think James' vocals always brought a lot out of the vocals. Its the lyrics in DA4R like in Colorblind, Undertow and On the Page that bug me. >>
I just picked up Chromakey yesterday and i have to agree that the lyrics are a bit weird, well atleast to me....I like his "poetic" DT lyrics better....
-Esh www.Phosphenes.com
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