YTSEJAM digest 4942

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Date: Sat Jun 26 1999 - 10:02:33 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) 914
     by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
      2) another dimension
     by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
      3) chromakey
     by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
      4) Re: dereksux17@hotmail.com, 914.
     by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
      5) I'm still around.... Thanks to Gravity..
     by "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
      6) Names
     by Thor Bremer <odinson9@hotmail.com>
      7) Stryper/Planet X bassist/Flecktones
     by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
      8) Tony MacAlpine <wanna listen?>
     by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
      9) new cds....
     by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
     10) prog and Rush
     by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
     11) Chromakey and old Prog and how do we know Mikey likes it?
     by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
     12) Re: flecktones what?
     by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
     13) You both are the problem
     by Jim Benton <york28@yahoo.com>
     14) LTE2 area code
     by Eric Marlett <emarlett@hotmail.com>
     15) LTE2 sales
     by KyleTaraG@aol.com
     16) Klassic Prog
     by "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com>
     17) Australian jammers check this out...
     by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
     18) Re: Re: LTE 2 Cravings/Genesis
     by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:33:19 -0400
    From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: 914
    Message-ID: <37742DDF.65DFBCE1@bigfoot.com>

    >914 is the area code for new york, or at least a part of it (i just
    know cuz
    >my friend lives in NY and that's her area code). DT is from LI. yes,
    this is
    >not DT, but if the title came from mike or john, perhaps they were
    using
    >their home area code. that's what i assumed, anyway. moo.

    It's the area code for rockland(where mike and I live. haw haw!),
    westchester, putnam, orange, dutchess, and maybe some other counties.
    basically the lower portion of the state, excluding any kind of island:
    LI is 516 or maybe parts of it are 718, which is also brooklyn and
    queens, and manhatten is 212. AFAIK Staten Island is 201, or at least it
    should be, cuz let's face it: that's jersey. :)

    I don't think any other band members other than mike live in the 914. Oh
    yeah, bear tracks studio, I guess. maybe that's got something to do
    with it.

    josh

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:29:21 -0700 (PDT)
    From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
    To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: another dimension
    Message-ID: <19990626022921.23486.rocketmail@web120.yahoomail.com>

    Alright you hooligans. I've been trying to figure out
    that crazy little section in AD between ~1:01.5-1:03.5
    I've tried slowing it down with a good utility but I
    still can't quite 'hear' it. Can someone with a good
    musical ear tab or explain that little section.
    Thanks!

    jtb

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:52:43 -0500
    From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: chromakey
    Message-ID: <4.1.19990625214413.00a0f100@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>

    about the chromakey lyrics, yes, they're a bit odd, and truthfully the
    samples get a bit annoying at times, i wish he'd just play music, but I
    absolutely love the mood and playing on this album...I haven't bought it
    yet, but I've heard mp3s of it and heard it at borders, and it is
    definitely on the top of the list...Anyways, lyrics are my least favorite
    thing in music anyway, Only exception to that is Queensryche, but really,
    even DT's lyrics don't do much for me...some exceptions of course(TAMP is
    the best example) but for the most part, DT and most prog bands for me are
    about the music, not the lyrics.

    As for LTE2, Liquid Dreams really impressed me, the other tracks were good,
    but it's strange, it didn't knock me off the seat like the other tracks
    did...once again, this is off of mp3s...I'll tell more when I listen to the
    full album...

    And also, I relistened to Lady of the Snow by Symphony X, and I REALLY
    liked it, maybe I was put off by the other stuff i was listening
    beforehand, but If more of their stuff is like this, I'll buy them without
    pause..:)
    So now, my predicament, I have too many cd's to buy, Planet X, LTE2,
    Chromakey Dead Air for Radios, Platypus, Shadow Gallery Tyranny, The rest
    of Spock's Beard(only have Day for Night) :( So much to buy, so little
    money to buy it with...hehe

    np: King Crimson "Three of a Perfect Pair"

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:00:55 -0400
    From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: dereksux17@hotmail.com, 914.
    Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990625230055.0094da30@mail.ptd.net>

    > Kevin Moore <dereksux17@hotmail.com>

    Um ... what's up with this?

    >914 is the area code for new york, or at least a part of it (i just know cuz
    >my friend lives in NY and that's her area code). DT is from LI. yes, this is
    >not DT, but if the title came from mike or john, perhaps they were using
    >their home area code. that's what i assumed, anyway. moo.

    AFAIK, MP is from Long Beach, which is 5 minutes from the town I grew up in
    (Oceanside). The area code for that area (most of Nassau county) is 516.
    If John is from King's Park (that's what I remember offhand), I think
    that's closer to Queens, so that would be 718 or 212. I don't remember
    offhand what area has 914 ... maybe it's a hotel room reference? Who knows.

    Brian

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:24:06 -0400
    From: "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: I'm still around.... Thanks to Gravity..
    Message-ID: <000901bebf83$5a3200c0$638806d1@tiac.net>

    Hey Trevor and all interested in TTG....
        Bad news in the world of Thanks to Gravity... they have not broken up
    but have lost a (vital) member and are in the re-working phase of their
    band. To get the "whole" story: www.thankstogravity.com
    Jeremy Kube
    kube@nh.ultranet.com
    inflammabl@aol.com
    "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in
    "Clerks"
    "Sex is death, death is sex, it says it right here on my crucifix" Voices.
    DT
    "I love how financial aid offices always figure that you are rich when they
    decide how much money that you'll get for school." Me 1999

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:20:52 PDT
    From: Thor Bremer <odinson9@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Names
    Message-ID: <19990626042052.48926.qmail@hotmail.com>

    I've had a feeling for a very long time.

    Looking at Dream Theater and LTE stuph, [song titles, etc.] I keep thinking,
    damn! these are the coolest names I've ever seen. Titles of songs and the
    band names are so well thought and attractive. I love it as much as ever.
    anybody else think the same? sorry if it sounds like i just pulled most of
    that out of my ass, because i did.
    I'm not sure if i like LTE or 2 better....

    thor

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:21:42 -0500
    From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Stryper/Planet X bassist/Flecktones
    Message-ID: <19990625.232143.3254.0.schnapster@juno.com>

    Oh yeah, forgot to mention Stryper <grin>. Actually, as cheesy as
    Stryper was (of course, weren't a lot of 80's metal bands :), they did
    influence a lot of Christian bands (some of which are really good) that
    came after them. For example, Klank covered a Stryper song (can't
    remember which one) on a tribute that came out a few years ago, Crimson
    Thorn (brutal death metal) covered "Loud 'N Clear" on a tribute album of
    various tunes/bands. Even Guardian (another cheesy Christian metal band
    that I used to dig a lot) released their version of Stryper's first album
    "The Yellow and Black Attack" (gotta love that bumblebee meets Barbie
    Doll look :).
    So, the bassist at the recent Planet X show (can't recall his name)
    possibly played with Vai on the Fire Garden tour? Was he a rather large
    black guy? If it's the same guy, he kicks some major ass. I remember
    the Vai show a couple years ago (one of the few, yet killer shows I went
    to alone) in St. Louis and was completely wowed by him (not to mention
    Mike Keneally on guitar/keys).
    Bela Fleck and the Flecktones (for whoever it was that asked and whoever
    else is curious) is primarily jazz and bluegrass influenced. Great great
    jamming stuff. I sometimes hesitate to use the word "prog" to describe
    music that isn't really obviously "prog" (i.e. DT, Yes, ELP, etc. etc.
    etc.), but I would say they do have some prog elements here and there.
    All very accomplished musicians with certainly a distinct sound. Victor
    Wooten is one of the most amazing bassists I've seen (and a really
    humble, nice guy, too). I highly recommend them to anyone who likes good
    music, especially those who are more into the jazz side of things.

    Dale R. Newberry

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:37:56 EDT
    From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Tony MacAlpine <wanna listen?>
    Message-ID: <19990626043758.24980.qmail@hotmail.com>

    >>Calvin also told me that MacAlpine, besides being new to
    >>the songs, was also improvising all over the place. I gotta tell >>ya,
    >>MacAlpine had me fooled.

    That is cool to hear. I have been a major MacAlpine supporter since the
    mid-80's. I have mentioned him on this list before but he has a very
    heavy-duty shredder image that most will not even give him a try.

    Personally I think the whole alternative movement sucks and I dont see why
    so many people came to hate shredders.
    Was it Nitro?Impelletari?Malmsteen?

    Check out Maximum Security for some of the most amazing taseful/bluesy
    melodic shred you have ever heard. No prog here but its not all 64ths
    either...I would go as far to say that at either speed <slow/fast>
    he is more tasteful than Malmsteen and has better tone.

    He makes a 80s era BC Rich w/Peavey sound better than Yngwies Marshalls and
    vintage Strats.
    Now, I believe he plays Hughes and Kettner and Wahburn now but his other
    material ive heard does not touch Maximum Security.
    He jams with George Lynch <Dokken> and Jeff Watson <Night Ranger>on three
    songs and pulls off the most amazing cover of Chopin ive ever heard.

    Believe it or not he is a more accomplished key player than Derek.
    Derek has more professional names under his belt <having worked with> but
    MacAlpine is classically trained. I think its funny that if he ever deceided
    to give up modern music he could make a wealthy living as a concert pianist.
    The man IS a talent.

    Check out sound clips at
    http://headymetal.simplenet.com/gzone/macalpine.html
    Autumn Lords is the only available soundbyte but its Tony and Jeff tearing
    it up. Its the 1st track from Maximum Security...you'll see what i mean.
    Laterz
    Outlander out

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
    To: DT list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: new cds....
    Message-ID: <19990626050425.2293.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com>

    Well the Dali's disc finally arrived. Well, they aren't the second coming...

    They are good but I expected from all the great reviews the disc to be
    something better. I'll listen to it more and definitely keep the disc but
    what does everyone think is so great about it?

    recently I've gotten the Ice Age, Dali's and the new Def Leppard and DL wins
    it... All my opinion though...

    np: some elegy mp3...

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:30:14 +0400
    From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: prog and Rush
    Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990626093014.00938530@messagebox.com>

    >Rush -- Another band that most everyone probably already knows. These
    > guys were among the first to take the heavier rock and make
    > complex music out of it. Along with the earlier hard-rock bands,
    > I feel these guys set the stage for prog-metal. They made some
    > epic songs (like 2112) while also maintaining great melodies
    > and strong music. Again the vocals fit very well with the
    > music. They're probably the closest in style to DT of the bands
    > listed. "Moving Pictures" is representative of both their
    > strong song writing and their prog elements. For the more
    > prog-oriented, try Hemispheres or 2112.

    You know, this is the exact discussion I had with a drummer I play with
    recently. Lemme tell you that he's one of the hugest DT fans I have ever seen,
    he really belongs to the Ytsejam community, but unluckily he doesn't have
    e-mail, so despite teh fact that he loves prog it was strange for me to
    hear that he had never heard any Rush. He sure had heard bout them, tho...
    So, I gave him Moving Pictures to listen to... And the very next day he
    cam to me REALLY disappoinetd and said: "I thought DT were original dudes,
    that
    they didn't copy anybody's style, but they completely ripped-off the Rush's
    one!!!"
    As for me I don't completely agree with him, but I gues that from some point
    of view he is correct, I guess even such ann UNprogressive almub for Rush
    as MovPic is somehow one of the ProgRock milestones, not to mention such
    epics as 2112 or Hemispheres...
    >
    > One thing to keep in mind when trying out these bands is that
    >they're not DT. They aren't generally as heavy or as modern sounding.
    so you say that TFE is not modern sounding - well, to compare with other
    stuf that came out in 96 or earlier - mna, I think you're wrong!!! To me
    the TFE is as rpog as hardly anything can get and sounds as modern as
    anythign else.. :-)
    L8r
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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:57:15 -0600
    From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Chromakey and old Prog and how do we know Mikey likes it?
    Message-ID: <002301bebf98$c9d0ef80$740d84d0@korgx3>

    > about the chromakey lyrics, yes, they're a bit odd, and truthfully the

    I dunno. When you look back, Kev's lyrics generally tended to be abstract,
    rather lending the insinuation of on idea rather than paint a picture of it.
    They let you paint your own picture to an extent and his lyrics are only
    there to work as a guide as to what you wish to paint.

    > samples get a bit annoying at times, i wish he'd just play music, but I
    > absolutely love the mood and playing on this album...I haven't bought it

    Wow. I think his samples, like his lyrics, aid in the songs incredibly. I
    don't think I'd actually like to listen to Mouse without hearing the
    distressed gent cursing his nemesis. And camera 4 always gives me the
    creeps when I hear it for some reason. Hell Mary, on the other hand... I
    mean, I think it's OK and all, but everytime she goes "Oh!" I get the "Oh,
    oh, oh, who's that kid with the Oreo cookie?" song going in my head. My
    bad.

    As far as the whole old prog thing goes, I have long admitted that I just
    can't get into music older than myself (with few exceptions), but I >did<
    happen to have a copy of Genesis' Selling England... in my rack so I pulled
    it out and I'm glad I did! I can't remember why I only listened to this one
    once and filed it. heheh. I guess I'll dig out JT's Thick as a Brick and
    KC's Red after this. Is it me or do Peter Gabriel sound like Roger Waters
    sometimes? heheh. Wacky.

    Now, why was it that "Let's give it to Mikey, Mikey'll eat anything" led to
    "Hey, Mikey likes it! It's gotta be good!" If Mikey eats anything, and
    offered no physical indication that he was actually enjoying it, then how
    was it deduced that it was good? I think it's another ploy by the media to
    twist people's minds. Blah.

    Punting on the cam is jolly fun.

    --
    KorgX3 is licking a cube of margerine and regurgitating it for a bird.
    NP: Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
    

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:09:18 +0200 From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: flecktones what? Message-ID: <37746E8E.382D36EE@siol.net>

    >OK, I keep hearing here about that Bela and the Flecktones band or >whatever? What is this stuff?? Never heard before.

    Flecktones is one of those bands that can't be cathegorized. I think they'r very much like DT in many regards. Bela Fleck is arguably worlds finest banjo shredder, Victor Wooten plays bass and FutureMan plays something called drumitar, an instrument he invented, a sort of drum machine. Various keyboards, harmonica and horn players play on most of their albums too. The music... as I said, can't be cathegorized, but if you insist, it's a perfect blend of jazz, rock, blues, pop and the list goes one. They are a very interesting fusion band. If you'r into bass, they will totally shake your booty. Wooten is God, period. No other bass player can touch him.

    For a Flecktone virgin, I would recommend checking out their last album that won a grammy Left Of Cool, Three Flew Over Cookoo Nest or their double live album called Live Art. If you'r into banjo, Bela Fleck has also a solo album out that feature all band members anyway :)

    CHECK THEM OUT! :)

    Matej

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    Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Benton <york28@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: You both are the problem Message-ID: <19990626065509.14359.rocketmail@web107.yahoomail.com>

    Listen, I don't know who the hell either of you arguing fools are, and I don't really care. I just know that thanks to a pitiful argument between the two of you, my mailbox got flooded with shit. I am a fairly recent fan of Dream Theater. I joined this list to learn more about what I thought was a really cool and different band. But if becoming more of a fan requires that I turn into a squabbling fool like either of you, I don't think I'm interested. I hope you realize that you've just done something more demeaning to yourselves than anyone else could ever do to you. Everyone on this list thinks that you're both, if I may quote, "cocksuckers".

    Next time someone is a little overpowering with their knowledge, ignore them, don't be an ass. And if someone else is an ass, ignore them and don't reply.

    I'm probably going to unsubscribe now. I'll look for another DT list where they don't let adults that act like middle schoolers post.

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:25:34 EDT From: Eric Marlett <emarlett@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: cowgod77@hotmail.com Subject: LTE2 area code Message-ID: <19990626072534.17643.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Long Island's code is actually 516, but Upstate, the area just north of NYC, has area code 914, and in this region is Millbrook, NY, where incidentally, they recorded LTE, at least I know that's where they did the first one....I don't have #2 yet. ;) Maybe that's the connection.

    Just a thought.

    Eric

    > > > >ok, so now that you've all bought a copy of LTE2, can somebody tell me > >if 914 is supposed to have anything to do with the area code? > >914 is the area code for new york, or at least a part of it (i just know >cuz >my friend lives in NY and that's her area code). DT is from LI. yes, this >is >not DT, but if the title came from mike or john, perhaps they were using >their home area code. that's what i assumed, anyway. moo.

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:48:13 EDT From: KyleTaraG@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTE2 sales Message-ID: <6e145952.24a5dfbd@aol.com>

    << For all those interested, LTE2 debuted at #8 for the week in the Top Internet Sales Category. I couldn't find out how many copies were sold and would appreciate if anyone has the data to post it. >>

    A very reliable source tells me that LTE2 sold over 4000 copies in it's first week. Apparently, that is significantly more than any other Magna Carta release to date (the first LTE only sold 1400 it's first week out). VERY well deserved! -Kyle

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:31:59 -0700 From: "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Klassic Prog Message-ID: <OBBPEDEEDBHJAAAA@shared2-mail.whowhere.com>

    Hello List,

    Well... I just have to throw my two pennys into the ring here. I havn't really seen Kansas mentioned. Kansas has to be one of my most favorite "classic" bands. Maybe I am mistaken, but are they the first American prog band?

    I would personally get the live album "Two For the Show" first, as I think it is a good overview of their work during their golden age. Plus, their live songs were better than the studio stuff, I thought. I would follow that album up with "Song For America" and "Point of Know Return".

    Just my thoughts.

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:46:11 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Australian jammers check this out... Message-ID: <377430E3.3EEE24BA@winshop.com.au>

    Hello,

    Australian jammers, this is from http://angra.digitalchainsaw.com/enews.html:

    "For the second semester of 1999, the band have plans to tour in Japan again, plus South Corea, Australia, Mexico and United States."

    Angra in Australia? Sounds odd since we can't even get DT down here, but who's complaining? I've already emailed the website maintainer to confirm this info and perhaps get a little more if possible.

    Luke.

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    Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:51:22 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Re: LTE 2 Cravings/Genesis Message-ID: <199906260647286@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>

    Yes Annie's version on the Supper's Ready CD is amazing. That whole tri= bute CD is really great. Steve Hackett's Genesis Tribute CD is another = worth checking out as well.

    Rob ---- Begin Original Message ----

    ]From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com> Sent: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: LTE 2 Cravings/Genesis

    On Jun 17 1999, Rob Pociluk wrote: > "Ripples" by Genesis from the album Trick of the Tail. =A0Lead vocals= : > Phil Collins (before he wimped out). <grin> A great album.

    =09BTW, if you can, do yourself a favor and check out the cover =09of this song with Annie Haslam on vocals.

    =09This is the perfect example of an lady that's got an excellent =09set of attributes: she's intelligent, she's beautiful, she's =09got one of the most incredible voices. Too bad she seems to =09have problems with breast cancer, AFAIK. :-(

    =09[]s, Roger...

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