YTSEJAM Digest 4716
Today's Topics:
1) JR Chat on Artist Shop
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
2) Am I Clinic Material?
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
3) ATTN: All jammers, something to do in the Baltimore/DC area this weekend
by crow <crow@ccpl.carr.lib.md.us>
4) James Murphy - Feeding the Machine
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) NDTC: Looking for CD Storage Towers
by MTeiper@aol.com
6) facts opinions, tribute clones and good vs popular
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
7) E-mail worries/Symphony X
by James Hunt <p_haze@mail.utexas.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4715
by AyameYuki@aol.com
9) Re: Devin Townsend rules
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
10) Re: Petrucci Clinic, 3/15!
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
11) DT Tribute
by <dthomas@best.com>
12) Re: Flamenco and Grunge (no DT content)
by Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net>
13) Devin Townsend/Ocean Machine
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
14) my wishful wedding reception
by VWgirlieVW@aol.com
15) Bear Tracks Studios
by "John Fewer" <jfewer@nf.sympatico.ca>
16) Platypus, FW, Trent Gardner?
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
17) Re: Devin Townsend/Ocean Machine
by "Stone Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net>
18) DT/NDTC:Damn the Machine
by cmartin@blueridge.net (Chris & Shelly Martin)
19) hey, I get it!
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:04:07 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: JR Chat on Artist Shop
Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF0332EA@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
Can anybody point me to a transcript of the JR Artist Shop chat
that happened the other week...? I missed it and they don't seem to
update their page very often.
Thanks in advance...
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
NP: FNM - Angel Dust.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:41:53 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Am I Clinic Material?
Message-ID: <36DC7740.3F60C09D@bigfoot.com>
My guitar knowledge is about on par with any of the following:
1) A squirrel with a pitch fork rammed through its forehead
2) Big Bird on a drunken rampage
3) Blind Melon
What I want to know is, at the DT clinics, do you have to know what
they're talking about to appreciate it? Is it like a music lesson, or is
it more like VH-1 storytellers, but a little more technical? Either way,
I'll go, but I want to know ahead of time just how much of a damned fool
I'll be looking like.
For that matter, who can tell me all about these things? I'd like that
very much.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:39:59 -0500 From: crow <crow@ccpl.carr.lib.md.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ATTN: All jammers, something to do in the Baltimore/DC area this weekend Message-ID: <36DC76CF.7DE1@ccpl.carr.lib.md.us>
Apologies for the lack of DT content but I thought that the jammers would like to know this information:
If any of you live in the DC/Baltimore area there is someone in town this weekend you may want to venture out to see in concert.
Stanley Jordan will be playing at Blues Alley in DC for two shows nightly this weekend, March 4,5 and 6th. I believe the shows are at 7pm and 10pm. You may want to call the club for more info. He is an absolutely phenominal guiter player with unique style of playing guitar.
I just heard it on the radio myself and I'm trying to find a way to get there. Hope to see some jammers there.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:49:17 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: James Murphy - Feeding the Machine Message-ID: <36DC78FD.EB927CB5@home.com>
Trevor W. Hoit wrote: > Just got the new one-Feeding the Machine. > There are lots guests on it. > I don't know who some are. > Help me out. > Main band:
<<MAJOR SNIPPAGE>>
> Vox-Chuck Billy-? Chuck Billy used to be the lead singer of Testament. Now he's the lead growler......
> Percussion-Chris Kontos-? I believe Chris Kontos is the former Machine Head drummer (correct me if I'm wrong).
I can't help you with the others, sorry. :(
But while we're on the subject, how is Feeding the Machine? I have his first, and I'm wondering how this one compares? (Awesome Dave McKean artwork on the cover, BTW)
--
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow- If you take this chance- Our lives are this moment The music, the dance- And here in this labyrinth- Of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night- And you're all that I see - Savatage, from "Not What You See" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:56:54 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: NDTC: Looking for CD Storage Towers Message-ID: <d4426862.36dc88d6@aol.com>
Hey gang -
A little NDTC here... I was wondering if anyone out there has any suggestions or recommendations as to where I can order some really good CD Storage Towers.
I am specifically looking for rotating towers with a capacity of 400 or greater. I have one already from LaserLine, but they've since discontinued the line, I guess, cuz it's not on their website (www.laserline.com). The largest capacity one they have is like 320 or something. Are there any other places on the web like LaserLine where I may be able to find rotating, large capacity CD towers?
Any info or help would be greatly appreciated. Private e-mail please, unless you think this would be useful for the general public; in that case, feel free to post to the Jam. Thanks, folks!!
- Matt T.
NP: Savatage "The Wake Of Magellan"
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:22:00 -0600 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: facts opinions, tribute clones and good vs popular Message-ID: <199903030122.TAA13289@busprod.com>
>2.) What about on of the greatest guitarists on earth? >JIMI HENDRIX
Shouldn't that be the The Greatest Guitarist IN the Earth? hmm.... just kidding...
I'm constantly amazed at people's confusion of FACT and OPINION. remember kiddos that stating an opinion as if it were true does not instanly make it a fact, unless the other person doesnt have a clue what your talking about...
>escuse me for this e-mail, but for me it's important >that nobody thinks bad of my band. > >Stay prog. >Ivan - CMKY.
ok ok.. I think some people are carrying over some leftover enmity from the long since unmentionable tribute. This tribute seems more like a marketing attempt to help some relatively unknown bands get some exposure. Disc 1 says "hey, we love DT and are good enough to play it"; Disc 2 says " hey we also write songs, maybe you'll listen and like ... no?" If you just twist it around and think about it thus : a compilation of various little known prog bands with an extra disc of "well done" DT covers, then its not quite so nefarious is it?
I wonder if anyone that's screaming out "CLONE CLONE" has ever done something creatively only to have someone come along and dismiss it out of hand?
>I got into a bit of an argument with a friend this weekend over DT. He >has never heard of them, and says that since this is the case, they must >not be any good. He obviously doesn't understand the politics behind a >band's popluarity. Believe me, I tried my best to make him understand >it, but he was too stubborn to listen to me.
I've gotten into this arguement several times..."if I've never heard of it then it mustn't be any good". I wonder if people hear the words that come out of their mouths the same as they hear it in their heads?
good does not equal popular popular does not equal good
good is a subjective judgement based upon personal taste. popular is the measure of how many people like similar things...
if you equate popular with good then you don't understand this distinction.
-bruce "thinks we should teach reasoning in school" bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:27:50 -0600 From: James Hunt <p_haze@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: E-mail worries/Symphony X Message-ID: <36DC9016.471297C5@mail.utexas.edu>
You know, I just realized I didn't post last month...as if y'all care...
"Scott" (skuennen@rollins.edu) wrote:
> The favor I ask is this: send him an email and just put Dream Theater > in the subject line. This will tell him just how many people are DT > fans, and how devoted they are to the band. His address is: <snip>
I might be tempted to try this, but am worried that it might be either (a) semi-illegal or (b) a fairly serious breach of netiquette. Experts, please inform.
Also, I have a question about Symphony X: I've seen a bunch of you RAVE long and loud about them, their guitar player, etc. My question is, just what style are they? Straight metal? Hard rock? Prog metal? Neo-prog? Other? Enough choices for ya? :-)
Sorry if this got posted twice, but I'm having Nutscrape troubles.
Thanks.
James Hunt p_haze@mail.utexas.edu P.S. Oh yeah, that is my real name. I was however previously unaware that I've also been an English race car driver. You learn something every 'jam.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:05:14 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4715 Message-ID: <4be7c5de.36dc98da@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/2/99 5:04:30 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Can someone possibly give me a nice long list of Sites that contain dream theater mp3's both rare and not rare??, anythign would be appreciated. Also, is there anyone out there looking to sell there fan club christmas cd's?? thanks!! -Cliffbur10@aol.com >>
why not just look up the sites yourself! ( big hint : look on WWW . typing in the words : dream theater COULD help you know ). and why cant YOU e mail this friend of yours ? he or she seems to have the same account as you! and why do you have to drag the rest of us into posting stuff about DT that has been said milllions of times ? ok. enough griping for me.
-Axe
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:05:57 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Devin Townsend rules Message-ID: <36DC9905.A51E7C15@ucla.edu>
I couldn't agree more with this. From first hearing Ocean Machine on Paul Cashman's ytseradio show, I knew this guy was amazing. As for new Devin stuff, he was just in Japan making a guitar instructional video which may be for sale through the HevyDevy Records web site at http://members.home.net/hevydevy/ at some time in the future. You may also be able to find a Japanese EP of Christeen and 4 other songs not included on Infinity. There is also some info on Devin at http://www.usg-records.com. On the English page he is under Artists 2. There's also Zimmer's Hole, a side project of SYL whos latest album Devin produced and mixed. You can also order this through the web site. If anyone wants the latest copy of the newsletter you can email me, or go to the web site, where most of it is posted. The people at HDR are incredibly cool.. I should know cus I just got my Infinity postcard in the mail (nekkid Devin, for those of you have never seen the cover).
~~Amanda
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:20:55 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Petrucci Clinic, 3/15! Message-ID: <199932205937341@ix.netcom.com>
Alas, I cant go :-( BUT, I was wondering if anyone going could (audio) tape it for me? I will pay or trade for it. Thanks (private e-mail if interested)
Matt
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:56:11 -0800 (PST) From: <dthomas@best.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DT Tribute Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9903021853560.22891-100000@fpage2.ba.best.com>
There's a DT tribute in the works? I thought one had already been released:
Zen - Gaze Into The Light
Well, it sounds like an "Images & Words" tribute, anyway.
I suppose that's enough smart-assed commentary from me for the day...
DT world's laziest webmaster and one snotty techno fan... www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 14:45:50 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Flamenco and Grunge (no DT content) Message-ID: <36DCB06E.8215FE14@mira.net>
I agree that the Gypsy Kings is somewhat overkill... they've been played so much it's redundant but... don't totally disregard them just on that premise. An excellent soundtrack to check out is:
La Belle L'Histoire a French production with Beatrice Dalle and featuring the music of the Gypsy Kings.
Incredible. The Gypsy Kings are a good source of flamenco as their music is considered user friendly and because it's readily available. It's a shame that they have been relegated to the trash bin because consumerism likes to spit bands up and then chew them out. Look at that whole 'grunge' phenomena.
I also agree that Soundgarden is not grunge. They predated that 'movement' and have stated that their influences were bands like Black Sabbath. Just check out the Somms E.P. Their music is more complex, structured, darker and much heavier than other grunge 'gurus' such as Pearl Jam. They just happened to be from the same place, on the same scene, make it big around the same time. Although Bad Motor Finger is superlative I would go for Louder Than Love. Incredible richness and Chris Cornell is an excellent vocalist. Unlike his contemporaries such as Eddie Veddar and Layne Staley etc.
Don't get me wrong I don't mind Pearl Jam or Alice in Chains. I just think that you cannot compare them too Soundgarden.
Musical taste though is subjective...
Vanessa.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:06:41 -0600 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Devin Townsend/Ocean Machine Message-ID: <l03130301b302655fc542@[128.83.204.47]>
can someone email me the url for devin's web page? I really want to check out OM and that new one that was just mentioned, but I forgot the url. thank you!
Jim Shields Guitar/vocals - Room 213 Undeclared Junior in Liberal Arts and Proud of it!
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:09:28 EST From: VWgirlieVW@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: my wishful wedding reception Message-ID: <a16bfdad.36dcb5f8@aol.com>
> AL said: > > On the topic of DT playing at that Jammer's wedding... I'm there dude! > > No shit. :) > > - Joe D.
guys, let me tell you, if i could *possibly* pull it off, you're * ALL* invited. cheers
Nicole
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:04:51 -0330 From: "John Fewer" <jfewer@nf.sympatico.ca> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Bear Tracks Studios Message-ID: <000501be652f$2eeffa60$2b07a38e@ytsenewf.nf.sympatico.ca>
Anyone looking for some info on the Bear Tracks Studio (some of you may have already been here): http://www.beartracks.com
Decent info on the place.... all the studio equipment is listed plus standard contact info(Tele, fax and E-mail). they also list current artists working there now..(no DT isn't listed...out of date?).
Check it out.
John
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:10:45 -0400 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Platypus, FW, Trent Gardner? Message-ID: <01be6534$31b4f480$2f106120@alexis1>
Hello! Alright, I guess I'm not saying things in the same order as my subject line, but who cares? Firsta, somebody was writing about james Murphy's new album and mentioned that Trent Gardner was in Spock's Beard. Dude, you must have mistaken Spock's Beard for Magellan, the band in which he actually is. Second, I really can't understand why so many people mention Fates Warning post Arch only, while I think that the Arch era was almost as good (at least Awaken the Guardian). Everybody should get ATG, it has incredible melodies and harmonies, and the songwriting is great. Last, I wanted to comment on the Platypus CD. I like this CD a lot. The musicianship is great, and the songs are very cool. Some parts of the CD remind me of the following bands: Galactic Cowboys (I think that without Doug Pinnick the harmonies sound more like the GC than like KX), Dixie Dregs, Damn the Machine (funny how some people have mentioned them recently, while I was thinking that Platypus sometimes sounds like them), among others. Great CD people, all of the musicians shine on it. Alright, that's it.
Alexis
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:14:55 -0700 From: "Stone Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Devin Townsend/Ocean Machine Message-ID: <004a01be6534$d68a86a0$6e0d84d0@yoda-q--jedi>
>can someone email me the url for devin's web page? I really want to check >out OM and that new one that was just mentioned, but I forgot the url.
http://members.home.net/hevydevy
>thank you! You're welcome.
>thank you! Is said you're welcome.
>thank you! Thank THIS! *raises a stiff finger* -- Stone Korg says, "If you wanna see me bust McMahon's head wide open, scoop his rotten brains out and feed them to The Rock, give me a Hell, Yeah!"
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:19:52 -0500 From: cmartin@blueridge.net (Chris & Shelly Martin) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT/NDTC:Damn the Machine Message-ID: <v01530503b3025d8f8bcf@[205.152.121.72]>
>Vox-Chuck Billy-?
While I'm thinking about this one, he's the vocalist for Testament! They are a pretty awesome thrash metal band. Alex Skolnick plays guitar (or I assume he still does). Just wanted to pass along a little info to give back all the great info you, the jammers, have provided for me. Which brings me to this:
Thank you to all that informed me of Damn the Machine!! It's disappointing they didn't release more. I really dug it!! I'll have to get that "Return To Metropolis".
Also, I finally got FII!!! : ) I must hang my head in shame for not getting it sooner!! : ( But I love it. It is way different from the other albums IMHO!! It's a little mellower in places, and kind of "spooky" in others. I'm going to listen to it about 100 more times before I make my final decision about it, though!! : )
Later, Chris Martin
****************************************************************************** "My grandfather used to say something to me. He used to say, 'Get the fuck outta my way, man!" -George Carlin
"Bend over baby, and let me be the driver." -Gene Simmons
"If God hadn't intended for us to masturbate, he would've made our arms shorter" -Anonymous
"Try? There is no try! Do or do not! There is no try!" -Yoda
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 02:18:20 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: hey, I get it! Message-ID: <36DCE23C.7AB38025@bigfoot.com>
It took me 50,000 listens to understand the LTL intro, but I think it just now clicked. Now, ever since calvin explained it so nicely a while ago, I've understood that the keys are in 15/8, or something similar to that - whenever I listen, I count 15 beats. And in 50,000 listens, I never ever got the drums, when they start. And now I do! I really think I get it now! Those damn drums are in 4/4, right? right? someone? it's so freaky! If you listen to the thing from the drum perspective, you don't hear the keys as triplets, you hear them as 16th notes, except there's 15 of them instead of 16, so the 4 notes keep shifting out of pattern, and it sounds like something being played backwards. Now I'm pretty sure all of this was explained - in fact I think i even saved that jam - but I want to know if what I said makes any sense, because it would please me to know that I was able to rephrase the explanation in my own layman's terms.
Did I get this right? Someone please tell me.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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