YTSEJAM Digest 4722
Today's Topics:
1) Bigot (big ot) n. 1. A person with a personality
by "Stone Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4720
by DTheater99@aol.com
3) Holdworth, Dregs, and homosexual pride
by Matthew Tedesco <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
4) Carrot thingys...
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
5) How infinity sounds, re: removing from list & Tori's bench
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
6) re: flames
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
7) More devy
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
8) New Michael Harris Release
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
9) re: Bigotry on the 'jam
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
10) re: Dixie Dregs Info
by Mark Shadburn <mws@penfieldsmith.com>
11) Re: Tori's bench
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4721
by "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
13) Stop taking it so seriously!!!!!!!
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
14) Gay as gay can be; circular logic falls into quicksand
by MusicSnob@aol.com
15) Where in the FAQ have I been?
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
16) RE: Dixie Dregs info
by "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
17) Howdy...
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
18) The Superior Homepage has moved!!!
by Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
19) Re: Dixies Dregs info
by CptFufu@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:00:59 -0700
From: "Stone Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bigot (big ot) n. 1. A person with a personality
Message-ID: <002a01be6729$e82966a0$0201010a@chuck>
>HOW DARE YOU, YOU OFFENSIVE LITTLE FUCK!
LOL! Fight fire with fire, I always say. Someone flaming someone for their
flaming method. LOL.
Personally, I thought it was funny. Maybe because I don't get all bent out
of shape at the drop of a hat. Welcome to reality boy-o. There's no such
thing as lenience and peace and non-prejudice. Until people can start
laughing at themselves, this world's gonna remain a shithole, so just sit
back and enjoy the smell.
BTW, the statement "gay as it gets" is a misnomer. The pronoun "it" implies
a genderless entity, therefore it can have no sexual preference.
-- Stone Korg is as gay as he gets.------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:02:16 EST From: DTheater99@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4720 Message-ID: <69c69891.36e00e18@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/4/99 9:42:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Cool, I am just as big as a Sava fan as DT, and a new album that is not a conceopt album would be a nice. I think Jon today has a very evil voice. Streets and everything before that he sounds like a pussy. Kurt >>
Apparently you never listened to "The Dungeons Are Calling" or "Sirens." I don't seem to hear the wrod pussy come to mind there. Those two albums probably have some of Jon's most "evil" vocals. Check them out if you haven't already.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:50:04 -0700 From: Matthew Tedesco <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Holdworth, Dregs, and homosexual pride Message-ID: <35BB8867.797D66B2@colorado.edu>
> From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> > >Stupid way iof doing it, but anyway: There is an album called "Velvet > >Darkness" by the guitarist Allan Holdsworth. Some great jazz rock stuff, > >with some weird free elements. I heard that this dude was one of the > >first who started soloing without picking: hit one note and shred all > >over the neck just with the left hand. Might be true!
> Holdwsorth is amazing... isn't he one of the "Steves and the Als" that make up > Petrucci's biggest influences? Howe... Morse... DiMeola... Lifeson... > Hodwsorth... and one more, right? Anyhow, I highly recommend "Hard Hat Area." > Incredible guitar work, and the rest of the guys (Hunt, Husband, Sverrison) keep > up.
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> >From: "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
> >I recently got into Dixie Dregs after someone recommended that I pick up > >"What If" ... If anyone got a buzz out of the likes of LTE and similar > >instrumental albums then pick up What If. It took me a few listens to get > >into it (I honestly thought I had wasted my money after my first listen) but > >it WILL grow on you. Each member of the band is a master of his instrument > >but Andy West in one of the most incredible bassists I have ever heard (does > >he use a pick?). Rod Morgenstien and Steve Morse need no introduction at > >all. > > High recommendations for "Bring 'Em Back Alive." West is a monster, but he may be > topped by Dave LaRue's playing (he of the Steve Morse Band). > > ------------------------------ > > From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> > >Issac Trumbo made some perfectly valid criticism of the guy posting > >top xx lists, all of which I agree with. But here's the problem which > >is gonna involve me giving Isaac a damn good flaming. He began his > >post with these words: > > >>"Frederico I'm As Gay As It Gets Barbosa" said: > > >I cannot believe that someone actually thinks that he can get away > >with saying this shit. HOW DARE YOU, YOU OFFENSIVE LITTLE > >FUCK!! Okay, the guy that you were flaming should be flamed, but how > >dare you try to use sexual preference as a flame? I remember when you > >guys were arguing over there being a shot of two guys kissing in > >5YIaL - for fuck's sake, c'mon guys. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. If I > >began a post with > > Ms Female "I'm thick as pigshit 'cos I've got tits" Jammer said: > then I'd fully expect to be flamed off > >the 'Jam. Actually, I'd hope that if I said that, Skadz would KICK my > >arse off the 'Jam, and quite frankly, if you're going to be an > >offensive little fuck, I hope he kicks you and the Top xx guy off > >at the same time. > > >p.s. When I die, I want to be re-incarnated as Tori's piano stool... > > Bravo! ...But you mean Elton John's piano stool, right? :)
Maybe he meant "happy" gay... I'll give the benefit of the doubt here.... --MATt
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:16:36 -0700 (MST) From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Carrot thingys... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990305101400.22966B-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
Oops, don't know exactly what happened with that last message... Some of my comments look like forwarded material... sorry....
That's the signal to lurk for awhile longer....
--MATt
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:17:57 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: How infinity sounds, re: removing from list & Tori's bench Message-ID: <36E011C4.680647F8@ucla.edu>
I haven't heard all of Biomech yet, but thanks to a kind soul who ripped Infinity, I have been allowed to hear it in its entirety before buying it. It has a good mix of songs, which is why I like it more than Biomech. This is probably not the common concensus however. There are cookie monster death vocals, what my boyfriend calls "shred metal polka", a silly trombone solo right in the middle of a rocking song, and some songs which absolutely blow me away. Like "Dynamics"... I just shudder with pleasure listening to this because it's SO deliciously heavy. I don't know what Devin did, but there is so much depth and emotion to this song, you can play it at a whisper's volume and still get the impact. Please check it out. And then send me a copy.
> Do you honestly believe you can stop someone sending emails by removing > him from this list? He won't receive the Jam anymore, sure, but he can > still send his top 45 (or 50, I'm not sure which digest this message will > appear in). > > Touch with reality needed.
Shit, you came down on whoever said this a little hard, doncha think? I don't know if ytsjam is one of those lists because I didn't read that nice letter that arrived in my inbox when I first subscribed like a good girl would have, but 2 of the mailing lists I am are as such: if you are not on the list, you cannot send mail. I tried to send mail to such a list from an alternate email address and it bounced back to me. So maybe we're not as out of touch with reality as you think.
> p.s. When I die, I want to be re-incarnated as Tori's piano stool... Hahaha, get in line bub. I know plenty, both male and female, who you'll be waiting in line behind.
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:32:24 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: flames Message-ID: <19990305173224.28905.qmail@hotmail.com>
>how dare you try to use sexual preference as a flame? I remember >when you guys were arguing over there being a shot of two guys >kissing in 5YIaL - for fuck's sake, c'mon guys. THIS IS >UNACCEPTABLE. If I began a post with Ms Female "I'm thick as >pigshit 'cos I've got tits" Jammer said: >then I'd fully expect to be flamed off >the 'Jam. Actually
i don't know if the guy's gay or not... but hey you have to agree.. he has been acting pretty silly don't you think?.. :).. don't get a bee in your bonnet..
inferno i'm as thick as pigshit 'cos i've got tits
NP: Spastic Ink - Ink Complete
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: More devy Message-ID: <19990305173731.15201.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
You wrote
>I'd have to describe it as a slower album with heavy >sequences >of >hypnotic and atmospheric layered guitar and synth.
He is not joking when he says layered. Ocean Machine as well as Infinity have the most 'thick' sound I have ever heard. Devin also likes to layer his voice quite a bit too.
By the way, I picked up SYL No Sleep till Bedtime. I don't know how they pull this stuff off live!!! Gene Hoglan (sp?) plays very tastefully with his bass drums here. It's not always a steady stream of notes like an M-16 but more broken up with more rests between the notes. I can't wait to hear what Devy has in store for us next. == John Parks jpyyz@yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:44:39 -0600 From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New Michael Harris Release Message-ID: <000701be672f$dc89e120$d6dc1a93@tugmutton-.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
For those fans or fans-to-be of Michael Harris' shred guitar instrumental work, go to http://www.guitar9.com/distortedviews.html for some sound clips and album artwork from the his new (third) CD, "Distorted Views". . For ordering info talk to Michael himself at guitout@centurion.flash.net . Check this out!
- Wolfric tugmutton@toast.net
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:59:41 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Bigotry on the 'jam Message-ID: <19990305175942.2856.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
"Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> burst into roaring flames and wrote:
> But here's the problem which is gonna involve me giving Isaac > a damn good flaming. He began his post with these words:
>>"Frederico I'm As Gay As It Gets Barbosa" said:
> I cannot believe that someone actually thinks that he can get away > with saying this shit. HOW DARE YOU, YOU OFFENSIVE LITTLE FUCK!! > Okay, the guy that you were flaming should be flamed, but how > dare you try to use sexual preference as a flame? > ... THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
Damn! This is place is so flaming, it's turning into a homo list! ;O)
Come on Si, did you forget to add your sarcasm indicator or a smiley at the end of your post?
The only topic related to sexual preferences that was specifically banned was calling Derek a "flaming homo", "gay as a hootenanny", "queer as a 3 dollar bill" or a "swishy fashion nightmare". But after Derek assured us himself that he only has sex with multiple women or passable transexuals, we stopped giving him a hard time. ;o)
Innuendos about other jammers sexual orientation or preferences are always acceptable, even encouraged.
my $.02, BH
Damn! We need more lesbians here!
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:02:12 -0800 From: Mark Shadburn <mws@penfieldsmith.com> To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: Dixie Dregs Info Message-ID: <F12BF3FD31B9D11194C4006008E368FA81BF@COMMSERVER>
>Question: I have bought What If, Freefall and Full Circle and I appear to >have run out of studio albums ... did the Dregs just put out 3 albums? Are >their live albums worth picking up (ie: is there anything new on them?)
For a complete Dixie Dregs discography check out:
http://www.stevemorse.com/disco.html
ShadRock
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:23:16 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Tori's bench Message-ID: <36E02113.FC853A73@pacbell.net>
Amanda Rosenblum wrote: > > > p.s. When I die, I want to be re-incarnated as Tori's piano stool... > > Hahaha, get in line bub. I know plenty, both male and female, who > you'll be waiting in line behind.
Yeah, the line forms behind me! ;oD
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net _______________________________ Ytsejam Radio on Real Audio http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:22:45 +0100 From: "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4721 Message-ID: <199903051822.KAA06224@knight.axnet.net>
Hi there!
Can anybody send me the setlist of DT=B4s show at Ronnie Scott=B4s Jazz Cl= ub London (=B495) ? I have got a live boot of that show but I have got no tracklisting.
Thanx
Christoph
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:48:09 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejizz <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Stop taking it so seriously!!!!!!! Message-ID: <36E026E9.1F56@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Si, of Borg, wrote:
> FUCK!! Okay, the guy that you were flaming should be flamed, but how > dare you try to use sexual preference as a flame? I remember when you
/me dares:
Just curious, would flaming a homosexual be considered irony? paradox? poetic justice? :)
> Ms Female "I'm thick as pigshit 'cos I've got tits" Jammer said: > then I'd fully expect to be flamed off
Why? You're providing an opinion :)
> p.s. When I die, I want to be re-incarnated as Tori's piano stool...
Now this just goes too far, Si! Think about what you've said there and how demeaning it is to piano stools! I'm calling at least the Wood Carpenter's Union and the Musician's Union on you!!!! :)
It's times like these that call for some random Frank Zappa quotes:
"I'm not going to be Bill Clinton and say I never inhaled. I did inhale. I liked tobacco a lot better."
"Here I stand hoping against hope that it's a chick with a low voice" _ Frank, at a concert in Beloit, Wisconsin 1968 or 69 a guy in the audience yelled out, "Eat me Zappa".
"Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."
and finally, Zappa in prime form:
"And all the rest of whom for which to whensonever of partially indeterminate bio-chemical degredation. Seek the path to the sudsy yellow nozzle of their foaming nocturnal parametric digital whole-wheat inter-faith geo-thermal terpsichorean ejectamenta."
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:46:29 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Gay as gay can be; circular logic falls into quicksand Message-ID: <40a353e2.36e02685@aol.com>
THIS MESSAGE IS IN SARCASTIC, SEMI-INTELLIGENT FORMAT. Since your dumb ass STILL does not understand this manner of speech, nor alternate definitions of commonly-used negative-loaded words, some or all of this message may not be legible.
For your knowledge, Mr. Living-on-the-edge-of-handle-oops-I-just-fell-off, acting gay, in many standard usage situations, has nothing to do with sexual preference. Something or someone being or acting gay is often compared to being or acting stupid. But even if he were saying that top-40-list man was actually as homosexual as is humanly possible, so what? Have we become so sensitive to good, old-fashioned name-calling that we can't call someone gay? :-D
On the other hand, Doctor "Greaseman" Mosh, who implied that people from Africa are stupid because they use AOL, should be tarred, feathered, and shaved (maybe not in that particular order, mind you) ASAP.
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:21:57 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Where in the FAQ have I been? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.990305131154.12021B-100000@admiral>
I know I haven't been posting or hanging out in the channel much recently, but I have had a lot to do. One of those things is the new FAQ. There have been tons of changes, and a major re-structuring of what was there before.
The new version is online at http://www.prognosis.com/gabbo/dt/faq/ and linked from UaCM. Right now, only the graphics heavy version is available, but I should have a FAQ Lite and text only version out sometime this weekend.
The Mirror site list has been removed from the FAQ for the time being, since it was in such disarray I decided to start it from scratch. If you maintained a mirror site before and would like to continue, or if you are interested in mirroring the FAQ on your site, please email me. I'm looking mostly for commercial or ISP hosts; in other words, no .edu domains (unless you work there).
Please look it over and let me know what you think. If you see any errors, have any additional information, or if your question is still unanswered, let me know and I will get things taken care of.
Once again, thank you all for your patience on the time lapse since the last update, I hope you find the new version was worth the wait.
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / | Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design | h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:21:50 -0500 From: "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Dixie Dregs info Message-ID: <001301be673d$6cff76e0$a4c97ad1@artoo-detoo>
Rob (and others who may be interested), The Dixie Dregs also put out at least one album under the name "The Dregs". I've only managed to find it as a used LP, but I haven't really searched for it on CD either, so who knows. The name of the album is Unsung Heroes.
Two other albums that you didn't mention: the first is Night of the Living Dregs (1979), which is an album of all new material, half of which are studio recordings, the other half of which are live recordings. The second is Bring 'Em Back Alive (1992), which is the DD live album. It's fantastic! The bass work is done by Dave LaRue of the Steve Morse Band, and he's equally as incredible as West. The album includes songs off every album except Full Circle, which (as I understand it) came after BEBA. It also includes a version of Zeppelin's "Kashmir", which kicks. There are four tracks on BEBA that are unaccounted for in any of the aforementioned (including What If and Free Fall) studio albums, so I'm guessing that perhaps there is one or two other "The Dregs" albums out there somewhere. Anyone know?
Xris
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:50:54 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Howdy... Message-ID: <4.2.0.25.19990305144940.00a85eb0@pop.mindspring.com>
Hey folks...
Just a quick note to let everyone know I'll be out of town for the next week or so. All trades that I've made have been sent out. If anyone needs to get in touch with me please notice the new email address. I just killed the old one. Take care, and see you next week with my tanned self... :)
-Please Notice New Email Address!- __________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine) alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for MP3 of the Week and Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:01:11 +0100 From: Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The Superior Homepage has moved!!! Message-ID: <m10J0qj-0003GIC@fwd10.btx.dtag.de>
Hi!
Just wanted to let everybody know, that our official homepage has moved:
The new one can be found at http://www.free-minded.de/
We finally have our own domain! :)
Greetings
Bernd
--------------------------------------------------------- Bernd Basmer Guitar - Superior Email: Younique@gmx.net
--------------------------------------------------------- If you're good, you solve your problems. If you're better you have none...
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:16:01 EST From: CptFufu@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Dixies Dregs info Message-ID: <9243f370.36e03b81@aol.com>
>How are things? > >I recently got into Dixie Dregs after someone recommended that I pick up >"What If" ... If anyone got a buzz out of the likes of LTE and similar >instrumental albums then pick up What If. It took me a few listens to get >into it (I honestly thought I had wasted my money after my first listen) but >it WILL grow on you. Each member of the band is a master of his instrument but >Andy West in one of the most incredible bassists I have ever heard (does >he use a pick?). Rod Morgenstien and Steve Morse need no introduction at >all. > >Question: I have bought What If, Freefall and Full Circle and I appear to >have run out of studio albums ... did the Dregs just put out 3 albums? Are >their live albums worth picking up (ie: is there anything new on them?) > >I have an MP3 of Dregs' Ice Cakes if anyone wants me to ICQ it to them. >It's an ideal track to judge them by so if you like it - BUY THEIR ALBUMS. > >Take Care, > >Rob.
Andy West does use a pick. Other albums they have done are- Night of the Living Dregs, Unsung Heroes, Bring 'Em Back Alive, Dregs of This Earth, and the best of. I just have the best of, which is good. I also have a "Best of Prog Rock Live from King Biscuit" thing that has two of their songs-Cruise Control and Ice Cakes. Its a good cd, it also has stuff from ELP, greg lake, rick wakeman, and some others. Well, hope i helped.
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