YTSEJAM Digest 4733
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Right, I'm gonna vent.
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
2) Bubbles popping all over the place ....
by IceQD@aol.com
3) Horse's Mouth (Ass?)
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
4) Yes Kate....
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
5) DC Cooper and Alta Mira
by irene7@ameritech.net
6) re: Jazz
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
7) re: jazz
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
8) Re: are YOU selling out!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) Townscream
by Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
10) Surrounded Live
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
11) Re: Fates, Nevermore
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
12) Kate Bush (no DT content)
by Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net>
13) WEHT... OZ!!!
by "Samah"<woolcock@camtech.net.au>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4731
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
15) so DT is gettin big huh?
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
16) re: who can get me started (NDTC)
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
17) Yes vs ABWH
by Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:19:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Right, I'm gonna vent.
Message-ID: <199903102319.SAA05954@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in Kirby McWatters's basement typed:
> IMPOSTOR!!! IT'S ANOTHER AOL IMPOSTOR!!!!! Quick! Somebody tell D-man
> the impostor is back!!! * Kirby points and laughs. :-) (Btw, for you
> newbies again, that part of it was a joke. :)
A joke that some found funnier than others, might I add. :)
D "Give a hoot" Man
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough
d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:40:41 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Bubbles popping all over the place ....
Message-ID: <47241232.36e702f9@aol.com>
In a message dated 10-03-99 23:23:10, you write:
>Sorry to burst your gay schoolboy fantasy bubble, but I'm completely
>heterosexual and planning to stay that way. And speaking of heads in
>asses...maybe something other than SHIT would come out of your mouth if you
>weren't always inhaling your own anal tract.
>
>-Brian
>
>
Oooh ooh oooh you homophobe!!!!!
I prefer champagne on Ice
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:53:55 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Horse's Mouth (Ass?)
Message-ID: <002001be6b51$68b3f620$520d84d0@default>
>If YOU put that much emphasis on THEIR looks and image, YOU are a shallow
>minded poser. Ugly not=3D more credible. Of course they are making compro=
Actually, if you COPY their looks and image, you are a poser. If you
dislike them for their change in appearance, then you are judgemental. Me?
I'm a bigot. I think Metallica's all gay and don't like 'em anymore. :)
>you think it's a GOOD thing to inflict mister Ecksthrey on thousands of
>people?!? and umm, no, i don't think it was you. moo.
Strangely it was indirectly. As she was forwarding my private mail to the
'jam (naughty, naughty), Mike P. issued me a personal copy of his letter
about people unsubbing. It Mike hadn't have send me the mail, I'd probably
still be gone. hehehe. At least I have time for this shit again. :)
As for inflicting myself upon thousands of people, that's a bad thing. I've
already infected a bunch of them.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:03:06 -0600 From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Yes Kate.... Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF033365@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
YAN GONZALEZ did say: >So Nicole, you said that Union is a 'must have' for anyone interested in >Yes. Would you like to recommend another one, or should I start with >this.. ? Thanx a lot.
I would go for a compilation like Yes Story - it will give you a broad selection, you should be able to find the era that suits you most (or you might find that you like all of it - as I do).
>Dave Ware wrote about Kate Bush.. >Who's this girl. I know only her "Wuthering Hights" in a version of >Angra's Angel Cry.(What a version !!!!) Would you please refresh my >memory with some track of her at least semi known ???
I did didn't I, well - hits from the eighties include - Babooshka, The Man With The Child In His Eyes, Cloudbursting, Running Up That Hill...etc, if you like Tori you'll probably like Kate.
Hope this helps,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama)....
PS. Any DT99 news for goodness sake...!
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:22:50 -0500 From: irene7@ameritech.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DC Cooper and Alta Mira Message-ID: <19990311011711.LEK1689@metropolis>
Hi everyone,
First of all, thank you to everyone who gave me information about the DC Cooper solo cd. Especially Carol (aka Coldfire).
I ended up ordering it from Alta Mira, last Saturday night. Neil said he'd mail it Monday, 2-day priority and that I should have it Wednesday... I got it today, right on schedule. The service was great! Neil was very friendly and professional (I called in my order) and I got what I was promised. I'll certainly order from him again. Here's the URL for Alta Mira for all interested:
http://members.aol.com/amcyber1/Homepage/AM.htm
As for the cd, it is very good! (There is an MP3 of Freedom floating around out there which is a great song) Cooper's voice is incredible as usual.
The cd ended up costing me $32.25 after S&H, etc. ($28 for the cd). It's a Japanese import so... I don't know when/if it will be released in the US. But that's worth it for a great cd :)
So, for all Cooper fans, check out this cd! For anyone else looking to order import cds, check out Alta Mira! Take care.
Sincerely, Irene
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:33:36 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Jazz Message-ID: <19990311003336.5201.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> I'm so pathetic. I know nothing of jazz; i've heard of maybe 3 or 4 guys > and I don't know what's special about them.
> So I want to get me some jazz!
Well, I'm not the biggest jazz collector, but I really like jazz when it's live.
Here's two extremes in "jazz" you might check out:
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (a classic, early, improv jazz recording)
Steely Dan - Aja (a classic jazz-rock album)
my $.02, BH
BTW, they're both very progressive. ;o)
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:42:44 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: jazz Message-ID: <19990311004244.11300.qmail@hotmail.com>
>So I want to get me some jazz! Now, I don't know what kind >or from what era I'm looking for, because *I don't know the >stuff*. So I thought someone on the list could help me, >point out some solid records or artists that exemplify the >genre and that I would probably like.
there's a whole lot of different forms of jazz out there.. i'm a fusion man myself.. get yourself
al dimeola - casino mahavishnu orchestra - between nothingness and eternity weather report - heavy weather
three GREAT fusion albums..
for traditional jazz get: the increadible jazz guitar of wes montgomery miles davis - bitches brew (could possibly be considered fusion) cal collins & herb elis - interplay
there's some great jazz!! no go get em! :)
inferno NP: greg howe - introspection
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:19:42 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: are YOU selling out! Message-ID: <199903110119.RAA13903@gms.gmsnet.com>
> [big useless post on a banned subject: Metallica deleted]
>that you have to respect that. I've had a lengthy discussion on this with >Lars (in 96) and I completely respect and agree with his views on this an= >d >consider him to be a honest guy. I think I have the interview printed out >somewhere but I'm too lazy to dig it out.
Oh, you talked to the Prince of Lies and believed his lies... I'm surprised he didn't try to sell you swampland in Florida...
Saying Metallica didn't sellout is like saying the Pope isn't Catholic...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:51:37 -0300 From: Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Townscream Message-ID: <36E721A8.2DD9230F@conex.com.br>
I got a MP3 from a band called Townscream. The nome of the song is Al=E1sz=E1lla a poklokra (wow, what a cool name heheh). Anyone can get some info about this band? This song is absolutey incridible, with a very cool solo.
-- []s Fernando Rauber ICQ: 2281311 http://fast.to/frmp
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:55:02 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Surrounded Live Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990310205248.10470A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Wow. I guess I'm not as die-hard a friend as I thought I was. I didn't know that there were two different versions of LatM. Since I'm tapped for cash and I already have the OTHER version, are there any OTHER live versions of Surrounded (as in something on a boot) that somebody would be willing to post or send to me? Private email will save space on the jam. Thanks.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ _Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "Never trust a spiritual leader who can't dance." - Mr. Miyagi -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:40:36 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Fates, Nevermore Message-ID: <36E73B34.AD473EA9@ivorygate.com>
Conrad Chi wrote: > Read at Hardradio that Fates Warning won't start recording their > new album until December 99. I also saw that ARMORED SAINT has > reformed and signed a contract. What is the status of Vera? Joey is definately on board for the AS reunion (as are all members from the Symbols of Salvation line up)... As for Fates, all I know is that Jim Matheos' solo album is done, should be released soon and that he is writing the new material for the next Fates album... No telling when they start recording. Mark Zonder has a project going with Eric Zimmerman, Ray is going to be doing a solo album for Metal Blade, and Ray, Mark and Joey were supposed to be working together on a project called Maggie Speaks, but I haven't heard much about that lately... For details on all this (including some sound clips), go to http://www.ivorygate.com/fw
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Come join the discussions in the new online Bulletin Board! <<<
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:25:25 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Kate Bush (no DT content) Message-ID: <36E753C5.3724537F@mira.net>
I read someone's request to know more about Kate Bush. I suggest surfing the Net and checking out her Website. There are some excellent sites out there filled with lots of interesting information.
I think Kate is an extraordinary artist who often pushes the boundaries of musical experimentation. She is an unusual artist and one you will either love or hate.
Her first album is The Kick Inside (1977). Dave Gilmour (executive producer on a couple of songs) 'discovered' her. I may be wrong, but I'm under the impression that she was 16 when Wuthering Heights came out?
She's not a prolific artist, preferring to spend time recording and writing. She's a recluse and doesn't tour anymore. She's worked with some interesting people like Eric Clapton, Prince, Peter Gabriel, The Trio Bulgarka and others.
Her most 'commercial' album is the "Hounds of Love" but I love "Never For Ever". She hasn't had many hits and the most notable, aside from 'Wuthering Heights' is "Running Up That Hill" from the 'Hounds of Love". I do suggest you give her listen and decide for yourself.
BTW, in regards to Tori citing her as influence. I had read somewhere after Little Earthquakes was released (buggered if I can remember where!) that she hadn't heard of Kate Bush?
The information is sketchy I know, but I prefer to let people discover Kate for themselves. She's too eclectic and diverse for me too begin to describe her music.
Vanessa.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:06:28 +950 From: "Samah"<woolcock@camtech.net.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: WEHT... OZ!!! Message-ID: <36e7565c.68bd.0@camtech.net.au>
What ever happened to Dream Theater in Australia?
Yeah, and I know all about the propositions we put forward that never got accepted.
What I can't understand is the fact that Dream Theater has never really been looked at before by radio stations in oz. For other Aussie jammers, could you imagine how cool it would be to hear something like PMU, HY, or Lie on stations like SAFM, Triple M, and Triple J? For starters, HY would absolutely kick arse. All the wussy people that like the Backstreet Boys (nothing against them) would love it. Secondly, something like Lie or BMS would do pretty well in the charts here for the real heavy metal heads around here. If DT could get some recognition here, people in oz would buy the rest of their albums to see what they were like, absolutely love them (after all, didn't we all in cringe in ecstasy after first hearing LTL and ACOS?), and then DT would have to tour here!!!!!!!
My $0.02.
Arise and be heard, fellow Aussie JAMMERS!!
Shane ------------------------------------------------------- Shane Woolcock - woolcock@camtech.net.au CyberSpace-Dye Vest - http:fly.to/csdv ICQ - 16663016 "John Petrucci on guitar, people..." - KJLB, OIAL Gee, we didn't notice James miss his cue, now did we? -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:08:58 -0600 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4731 Message-ID: <4.1.19990311000511.00938e00@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
Well, if you would have read my entire post you would have read in the first couple lines that I said, and I quote "You can sit there and try to categorize all day, but you will always find exceptions to the categories...Let's just say Prog is a certain "sound" that we all recognize, and leave it at that...:) " Yeah, musical definitions are no good, I agree with that, and my post wasn't trying to argue what prog is and isn't, but more just an argument against what the other guy said about how music has to change to be prog, and if you can't tell that HitNF was regression instead of progression, then I feel sorry for you...:)
Now, that said. I don't care what anyone thinks is prog and what isn't, but I wanted to point out that your definition of "prog" is based entirely on your subjective opinion of a particular band's work. FII was a new direction and you liked it; so you call it progressive. HitNF was a new direction and you didn't like it; so it's merely "change." That kind of definition doesn't do anyone any good (not that musical definitions do anyway) because it's based only on your personal opinion of an album's quality. -Brian
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:09:33 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: so DT is gettin big huh? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990311005649.21187C-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
i got a newsletter from musician's friend, and was surprised to see this:
> We would like to start out by welcoming some great new product > lines to our site. The first is Ibanez guitars and basses. These > incredible guitars are played by such artists as Steve Vai, Joe > Satriani, Pat Metheny, John Scofield, John Petrucci, Paul Gilbert, > Paul Westerberg, Korn, White Zombie, The Offspring, Cracker, and > many more. Come see why all of these musician's prefer Ibanez!
followed immediately by:
> The second line we've added to our arsenal of gear is Tama. Played > by some of the world's best drummers like Mike Portnoy of Dream > Theater, Lars Ulrich of Metallica, Bill Bruford of King Crimson and > Kenny Aronoff of Smashing Pumpkins, this incredible line of impressive
I knew DT was not underground but Mike Portnoy mentioned before Lars Ulrich? In this day and age when popularity counts more than talent (why else do i see kurt cobain on the cover of Guitar magazine and korn's guitarists writing a column inside?) im surprised. Is DT really THAT big? Heh. And since i've never had the opportunity to go see DT live, about how much to tickets cost when DT is headlining? That's usually a decent measure of the band's popularity - <$5 = local punk band. $5-10 = punk or metal band with a bit of a following. $10-20 = a band signed to a small major label (like epitaph or fat in the case of punk, or relapse or nuclear blast in the case of metal). $20-30 = quite big. you probably see people on the street wearing their shirt. $30-50 = commercial! korn tickets cost $30. i know, i'm going to go see em march 30. above $50 is Van Halen range. Heh. i dunno about other kinds of music as i rarely go to shows that aren't punk or metal. moo.
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"You are what you eat, you fucking cannibal!" -- KorgX3
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:13:39 -0700 From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: who can get me started (NDTC) Message-ID: <001201be6b8e$b1488300$578726d1@morpheus>
Joshua, try starting with Pat Metheny Group "Travels" or Jean Luc-Ponty "Cosmic Messenger" or "Mystical Adventures"
-Geoffrey
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:26:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Yes vs ABWH Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990311005140.8725A-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>
I've noticed the question being raised on the jam about what was going on with Yes and the ABWH band in the late 80's. Being a diehard Yes fan, I had to chime in . . .
Yes and ABWH were two completely different bands. Yes in the 80's was a successfull pop/metal band. They formed (or reformed depending on where you stand) in 1982 as the metal band Cinema. The lineup was Trevor Rabin (Guitars/Vocals), Chris Squire (Bass/Vocals), Alan White (Drums/Vocals), and Tony Kaye (Keyboards). They had no intention of carrying on as Yes. Yes had split up in 1980. Howe and Downes went on to form Asia. Horne went on to produce, and Squire and White formed Cinema with Rabin. It was only when they were halfway thru recording their first album as Cinema that Anderson joined and they renamed the band Yes. After all, every member of Cinema had been a member of Yes at one time or another except for Rabin. (Kaye had been keyboardist from 1968-1971)
Anderson left Yes in 1988 after the "Big Generator" tour. Since Squire was the only original member to have been on EVERY album Yes had ever made, he retained the rights to the name. The four "Cinema" guys were going to continue as Yes so it's obvious why ABWH couldn't use the name. Neither Steve Howe nor Rick Wakeman had been original members of Yes Bruford had left in 72, and they had done one album in the 70s which featured a singer other than Anderson. When ABWH billed their tour as "An Evening of Yes Music," Yes sued them. (Specifically, Squire sued them.)
In 1991, ABWH and Yes came to an agreement and merged their new recordings on one album and called it Union. The Union tour was just a merger of the two bands onstage. Contrary to what has been posted on the jam, NOT EVERY PAST MEMBER OF YES WAS ON THAT ALBUM OR TOUR. Original guitarist Pete Banks was not invited. Former keyboardist Patrick Moraz was busy getting kicked out of the Moody Blues. The other former keyboardist, Geoff Downes was still a member of Asia. And former singer Trevor Horne was still producing. After the tour, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe split again leaving the 80s lineup to do their final album.
In 1995, Rabin left to pursue a career in film music. He's recently found had some successfull scores. He wrote the orchestral scores for Armageddon, Enemy of the State, and Conn Air. Tony Kaye also left in 1995. That same year, Howe and Wakeman rejoined for a live reunion concert and two reunion albums. Both were released as seperate double disc sets, Keys to Ascension in 1996, and Keys to Ascesnion II in 1997. After the recording of Keys to Ascension II, Wakeman left Yes to start a Gospel music label, and pursue the recording of his new solo album. He was replaced by Russian Concert Pianist Igor Khoroshev. They also invited Trevor Rabins old understudy Billy Sherwood to join and this new 6 man lineup recorded the album Open Your Eyes, which was released in late 1997. They had a rather successful tour and are now busy recording their next album. That in a nutshell is what has been up with Yes. Now, back to another prog band we all know and love who also has problems keeping keyboardists in the band . . .
Later, Robert
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