YTSEJAM Digest 4734
Today's Topics:
1) So maybe no one does research any more
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
2) Need funk reccomendations.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
3) Kate Bush (no DT content)
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
4) Wahay, someone's got it. And a clarification
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
5) L@TM. Shockingly, 100% DTC
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
6) Yes
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
7) Nightwish video
by "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
8) DT website
by "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
9) Re: Yes and Kate Bush Information
by Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
10) Re: Townscream
by Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
11) dt tix prices
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
12) Re: jazz
by Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
13) philip glass-monsters of grace
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
14) Kate and, uhhh, other stuff
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
15) RE: Jazz
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
16) dt big
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:23:00 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: So maybe no one does research any more
Message-ID: <36E77D63.F21436CF@ucla.edu>
CowGod said:
> > "The second line we've added to our arsenal of gear is Tama. Played
> > by some of the world's best drummers like Mike Portnoy of Dream
> > Theater, Lars Ulrich of Metallica, Bill Bruford of King Crimson and
> > Kenny Aronoff of Smashing Pumpkins..."
> I knew DT was not underground but Mike Portnoy mentioned before Lars
> Ulrich? In this day and age when popularity counts more than talent im >surprised.
Apparently popularity also goes before accuracy. Who the hell is Kenny
Aronoff? Up until the release of Adore I was a big Pumpkins fan. They
never got another drummer after Jimmy Chamberlain was kicked out do to
his heroin addiction. They toured with Matt Walker, the drummer from
Filter, but he was never a real member of the band. The last album used
drum machines and programming a lot, with Matt and another drummer
filling in on some songs. On that note, does anyone want to trade for
my Adore cd? Its been listened to only twice and is in great
condition. Im pushing my luck here, but if interested, send some mail
my way.
~~Amanda
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:25:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Need funk reccomendations.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990311002338.28528A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Greeting music lovers and critics,
I have recently taken a great interest in the "groove." I really
want to hear and transcribe some cool funk guitar stuff. I already have
Infeccious Grooves, Ron Thal, The Headhunters, and I like the Cilly
Peppers. I tried Tower of Power, and they seem way too disco. Any
comments or recs? Thanks. Be well.
Matt B
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innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to
create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if
interested.
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will there be hope for Man?" (Daniel Quin)
"If your social circle is you, you're a cactus." (Ron Thal)
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:20:34 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Kate Bush (no DT content)
Message-ID: <199903110920.LAA27863@xyz.estcard.ee>
> From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net>
> BTW, in regards to Tori citing her as influence. I had read somewhere
> after Little Earthquakes was released (buggered if I can remember where!)
> that she hadn't heard of Kate Bush?
You may have misread. :-) The fact is that Kate Bush IS a big influence to
her and the first Tori album "Y Cant Tori Read" should actually be
entitled "Y Cant Tori Stop Copying Kate Bush Once And For All". Check that
out and you'll know. And yes, Tori herself admits being a fan of Kate's.
Or a ventilator. Or something.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:36:16 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Wahay, someone's got it. And a clarification
Message-ID: <2EEEEB6574@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
>Simon, I agree somewhat with what you're saying about them not being
>a sellout. However, that doesn't necessarily mean Load/ReLoad are
>good. IMO, they both blow. The combination of the music, their current
>MTV-darling image, and their song topics really kill it for me.
>Especially the song topics - I mean if they were to write a REALLY
>HEAVY, BALLSY song about a double cheeseburger with extra pickles and
>minus the ketchup...... it might still be HEAVY, but it's just a
>heavy song about a double cheeseburger with extra pickes and minus the
>ketchup..... it sure as fuck isn't going to be "One" or "Welcome Home
>(Sanitarium)", or "For Whom the Bell Tolls". They've lost their edge,
The above is a good personal opinion. Now, I don't agree with Joe on
this one, but that's coo: He doesn't like Load and Re-Load; but he's
saying that he doesn't enjoy them, instead of wittering on about
"sell-out" and shit like that. That's more like it. I don't mind
people flaming MEtallica etc for the direction they're taking, but what
sticks in my gut is people using meaningless terms to try and justify
the fact that at the end of the day, THEY JUST DON'T LIKE IT.
I can't be bothered to quote it, but some guy objected to the make-up
they've suddenly decided to don. WTF are you talking about??? Are you
implying that if Placebo stopped wearing make-up , they'd actually
turn out to be a good band? Don't be ridiculous. My ex-flatmate took
one look at the inside cover of Awake and went, "oh, what a bunch of
poofs with their fucking long hair". I further more refer you to that
bit in the FAQ about Blind Melon, who's commentary on PMU was: they
betted the band had "really nice hair". I wish I could be bothered to
find out who said this, 'cos they really were talking shit. You
object to their musical direction, but make-up??
Finally: this is why I differentiate. Progressive = everything I
said before. Prog = a musical genre, usually involving all the stuff
that everybody else has said. I know it's semantics, but the
differentiation is usefull; for example, how the hell else would you
term Pink Floyd progressive?
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"If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year
A Man must learn to cope
If his obsession's real, suppression that he feels
Must turn to hope" -John Petrucci
s.j.dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk
lord_ibanez@hotmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/Lord_Ibanez/Lord_Ibanez.html
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:57:09 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: L@TM. Shockingly, 100% DTC
Message-ID: <2F47CB0E4E@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
>I was wondering if Bogie might be able to put up any live version of
>"Surrounded." It one of my favorite songs from IAW and I still
>haven't heard a live version of it.
>
>If anybody else knows of where I might be able to find it, please let
>me know. Thanks.
>
>Andrew,
> Easy. There are two released versions of LATM. The German,
>version
>and cheaper of the two, contains Surrounded live as opposed to the
I have a little nagging query about this...When they play surrounded,
it sounds as if KevMo's got three hands. He's got to have both hands
on the piano to play that line, and yet there's a synth line beneath
the piano. Erm...? Sequenced? Overdubbed when JLB did his dubs?
>a killer version of the Killing Hand, much better than the studio
>version, IMO.
Aw man. I don't like WDaDU very much, largely 'cos the guys voice
irritates me too much (and it's a little bit "too prog" for me - AFiL
is NOT one of my fav DT tracks!). But Killing Hand...what an awsome
song! And with JLB on board...KICKS SOME ARSE!!! Is there a studio
tape of them doing this song with JLB on some boot? Like an audition
tape or something L@tM is great; but it's a live album, so there's
bound to be catches.
Si
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"If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year
A Man must learn to cope
If his obsession's real, suppression that he feels
Must turn to hope" -John Petrucci
s.j.dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk
lord_ibanez@hotmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/Lord_Ibanez/Lord_Ibanez.html
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:03:01 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Yes
Message-ID: <30610C3359@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
>lineup recorded the album Open Your Eyes, which was released in late
>1997.
It was also, IMHO, one of the weakest albums that they ever released.
"Man In The Moon" was a really good track, and I love the way that
Jon Anderson's voice has matured over the years (as opposed to Robert
Plant, who's gone downhill a lot, although I actually quite like the
way he sings these days). OYE just felt tired and lacking in
direction and ideas to these ears. Contrast this with Floyd's
Division Bell (I know, that's not like with like, but for the sake of
argument...), which - whilst trawling into M/AOR trash at times (tell
me that TIB wasn't a Simple Minds song...) had some highs and some
exceptionally highs. "High Hopes", IMO, is a perfect Floyd track:
it's simple, elegant, and its fragile beauty is matched only by
Gilmour's protege Kate Bush (see early photos). OYE, apart from said
track, just didn't light the spark. I'd compare OYE/MITM to Momentary
Lapse of Reason/Sorrow.
Si is really hoping that the next Yes album will knock his fucking
brains out, like they used to.
p.s., I heard a rumour about a Floyd album being in the offing for
next year...can anyone confirm or deny? please? *edge of seat*
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"If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year
A Man must learn to cope
If his obsession's real, suppression that he feels
Must turn to hope" -John Petrucci
s.j.dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk
lord_ibanez@hotmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/Lord_Ibanez/Lord_Ibanez.html
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:51:41 +0100
From: "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Nightwish video
Message-ID: <001501be6bb5$8810af40$80a824c3@default>
Hello everyone,
A complete Nightwish video "Sacrament of Wilderness" is available at
http://progmetal.gmsnet.com/clips/nightwish.mpg within the next couple of
days.
Hope this'll interest some of you.
Take care,
Volodya.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:55:01 +0100
From: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
To: "The YtseJam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DT website
Message-ID: <002401be6bb5$ff001280$25e64382@default>
My former website, Xident's playground: Dream Theater, is no more.
The new (and very improved) website is called "Surfing Into Infinity".
One of the features (and about the only thing you won't find on UACM) is
my Misheard Lyrics page, which allows you to listen to the parts of
the songs that are misunderstood. And yes, there are more features
on this website than on the old one. For those of you having problems
with frames, Surfing Into Infinity is frameless.
I could use some feedback on the new site, so if you have the time
please fill out my Feedback form too.
Thanx.
Jonas Opsal - jonasops@online.no
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Dream Theater website:
http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/
Surfing Into Infinity
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:40:45 +0100
From: Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net, korg_74@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Yes and Kate Bush Information
Message-ID: <36E7B9CD.9DB45A7B@club-internet.fr>
> So Nicole, you said that Union is a 'must have' for anyone interested in
> Yes. Would you like to recommend another one, or should I start with
> this.. ? Thanx a lot.
Please don't listen to that! Union is probably the worst Yes album
ever...
Depending on your likes, I, for one, would propose either "Close to the
edge" if
you're rather complex 70's music oriented, or "90125" if you're more of
a
hard-pop-prog oriented.
> 2. Kate Bush
> Who's this girl. I know only her "Wuthering Hights" in a version of
> Angra's Angel Cry.(What a version !!!!) Would you please refresh my
> memory with some track of her at least semi known ???
Her first album, "The kick inside" was released in 1978, and ever since,
except for
her last and terrible album "the red shoe", built her own world of
sensuality and
morbidity. I'd recommend "Hounds of Love" or "The Breathing" for a
start, or if you
don't mind listening to compilations, "the whole story" which sums up
her career
pretty well.
As for semi-known tracks from her, you probably heard "Babooshka",
"Running up that
hill" or "Cloudbusting" (both latters from "Hounds..."), but "Wuthering
heights" is
her biggest hit.
-- "Truth is a three-edged sword" -Kosh ________________________ Daniel Beziz------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:41:21 +0100 From: Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, ferer@conex.com.br Subject: Re: Townscream Message-ID: <36E7B9F1.3E8CE9ED@club-internet.fr>
> I got a MP3 from a band called Townscream. The nome of the song > is Al=E1sz=E1lla a poklokra (wow, what a cool name heheh). Anyone can get > some info about this band? This song is absolutey incridible, with a > very > cool solo. >
-- "Truth is a three-edged sword" -Kosh ________________________ Daniel Beziz 59 rue Marat 94200 Ivry sur Seine Tel : +33 660 108 892
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:26:32 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: dt tix prices Message-ID: <36E7C487.782AEF7@bigfoot.com>
They've always been in the 20-30 range the 5 times I've bought tickets.
I thought for a long time that nobody had ever heard of DT, but this is not true. They are definitely known by a lot of average joes, if only as "that last hair band that's still around that can play some pyscho shit". They get a lot of space at tower, often 6-12 discs per album. And that's just in the US. In japan they're huge.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:18:21 -0500 From: Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: jazz Message-ID: <36E7D0AD.25A00548@tiac.net>
some homeys said:
> >So I want to get me some jazz! Now, I don't know what kind > >or from what era I'm looking for, because *I don't know the > >stuff*. So I thought someone on the list could help me, > >point out some solid records or artists that exemplify the > >genre and that I would probably like.
> for traditional jazz get: > the increadible jazz guitar of wes montgomery
Good recommendation.
> miles davis - bitches brew (could possibly be considered fusion) ^^^^^^^^
Could POSSIBLY be fusion!??! Bitches Brew (1969) is the birth of fusion as mankind knows it. Most people on this list probably won't be able to get into that music though. It's too.....out. There's little to no compositional content.
On the otherhand, Mahivishnu Orchestra is only slightly more orchestrated than Bitches Brew but I think most people on this list would really dig that group. This group has chops on par with LTE but the music is much more raw and spontaneous. The overall level of firepower is phenomenal. And keep in mind that this was the early 70's!
If you're looking into acoustic jazz then there are all sorts of styles out there. Bop of the early 40's, cool jazz and bop in the 50's, modal and free jazz in the 60's. All basically had the same instrumentation of drums, acoustic bass, horns (usually trumpets and sax), piano, and sometimes guitar.
After fusion died in the mid 70's, pretty much every jazz player that's come along since then has had a style based on the aforementioned styles. That's not to say that the music today isn't as good...it's just not very original in general. However, the overall level of musicianship is generally much higher among jazz musicians. As opposed to rock, where there are a few elite musicians who possess abnormal amounts of chops, in jazz everybody has to have legitimate technique and tone to get on the scene at all.
Now I'll try to recommend a few albums from each jazz scene. Of course, there are way too many good jazz albums out there to list all of them so I'll just try to think of the ones that people on this list could enjoy the most. Charlie Parker - "Bird's Best Bop" This is on the Verve record label and is a compilation cd. Bop was the first form of small group jazz music. Everything prior had been big band jazz. The tempos were much faster and the solos much more complex. Since big records weren't around during the early 40's jazz musicians just recorded single songs of about 3 minutes in length. In many ways, this actually worked to Bird's (Parker's nickname was Bird) advantage because the shorter solos allowed him to pack all his best licks into each solo and he never seemed to run out of ideas. This record also has appearences by a young Miles Davis on trumpet and Thelonius Monk on piano.
Miles Davis - "Cookin' with the Miles Davis Quintet" In 1954, Miles kicked his heroin habit and put together his first real group as a leader. A then unknown John Coltrane is on tenor sax. This group toured and played relentlessly and combined Charlie Parker's bop with Miles' cool jazz. Miles Davis didn't play high and fast like Dizzy Gillespie. He had a smooth, cool tone that wasn't piercing like so many other trumpet players. This group swung like hell with Philly Joe Jones on drums and Paul Chambers on bass. I always enjoy this group just for the feel of the music even though it has great solos and compositions as well.
John Coltrane - "Blue Trane" Coltrane is the king. When he came along his saxophone sound was nothing like anything anybody had heard before. Also, he could play louder and faster than anybody else of the time. This record has all of the above plus outstanding original compositions by Coltrane. This record would probably go into the hard bop catagory. It was released in 1957 and in just the two years since he was with Miles his playing has grown tenfold. Buy it or I'll come after you.
Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue" I won't bother to explain this. You just have to hear it. Cannonball Adderly is probably my favorite alto sax player in the world.
Everything from the "classic" John Coltrane quartet of 1960-66 on the Impulse jazz label. Especially "A Love Supreme".
Everything from Miles' second quintet from 1964-68 on the Columbia label. Especially "Miles Smiles".
Wes Montgomery - Anything and everything. I especially recommend the cd he did with organ player Jimmy Smith. The cd just grooves like a motherfucker all the way through and has some of Wes' best guitar playing.
Herbie Hancock - "Maiden Voyage" No, Herbie Hancock was not the first person to sign the declaration of indepedance. He was a monster player on any instrument with keys. It doesn't get much better than this folks. Tony Williams (also in the second Miles quintet) is one of the best drummers ever and Freddie Hubbard (trumpet) is probably the second most influential trumpet player next to Miles from this period. This is actually a jazz concept album believe it or not. :)
This post is getting a lot longer than I intended so I'll do another post another time about everything after the late 60's and the great contemporary players.
Adam
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:20:49 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>, Subject: philip glass-monsters of grace Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3DDA@ms.kallback.com>
Has any seen or heard about "Monsters of Grace-A Digital Opera in Three Dimensions" by Philip Glass? It's playing in Seattle and sounds rather interesting. Any info appreciated. Trevor
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:06:44 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Kate and, uhhh, other stuff Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990311093302.23184A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Yan asked about Kate Bush and has already received several replies, so I'm just going to add that if you've heard Peter Gabriel's Don't Give Up or Games Without Frontiers ("Jeux sans Frontiers"), you've heard Kate.
Josh asked to get started: >So I want to get me some jazz!
You're going to get a lot of different opinions by opening this can of worms. I'm a musical omnivore, so I'll try to separate things into several categories. (I'll also try to keep this short). Within the 'jazz' idiom, there is swing, bop, fusion, avant-garde, dixieland, straight-ahead, and crap. :) The swing era is mostly big band: Ellington, Basie, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Glenn Miller, et al. Bop is early Miles, Gillespie, Parker, Coltrane, Kenny Dorham, Lee Morgan, Woody Shaw, Wallace Roney, etc. Fusion was a combination of jazz and rock (fused together), and you've already heard several good recommendations. Late Miles (Tutu, Amandla, On the Corner) are also commendable. The avant-garde include innovators like Cecil Taylor (whom I saw in concert last month-- infuckingcredible), Ornette Coleman, Anthony Braxton, Sign of Four (A lot of this stuff is free jazz, and isn't readily accessible, but it's progressive). Straight-ahead is the contemporary catchall for that which you can't pigeonhole. It includes Gil Evans, George Gruntz, Roy Hargrove, John Moody, Sonny Rollins, Maria Schneider, Nicholas Payton, Jon Faddis, Christian McBride, etc. Crap is going to be the majority of what you'd hear on lite jazz radio stations: Yellowjackets, Jeremy Wall, etc. My recommendation, before running out and buying all the discs by the artists listed, is find yourself a decent jazz radio station that plays a lot of classic artists, as well some of the younger cats.
Mr. Korg Chi-trey admitted: >As for inflicting myself upon thousands of people, that's a bad thing. >I've already infected a bunch of them.
That explains the sweaty palms, the chattering teeth, the recent barrage of snow on the east coast, and world hunger. Damn you, Korg! :)
P NP Cactus: Cactology Ekoostik Hookah: Where the Fields Grow Green ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Power now is all the rage/ Don't excuse it use it well/ Keep the lion in his cage/ Free from hunger, free from hell.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:20 -0700 (MST) From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Jazz Message-ID: <19990311152039.DMSA4@localHost>
To whom ever was looking for jazz/fusion suggestions:
Tribal Tech - anything by them. Simon Phillips - anything, esp. Symbyosis or Another Lifetime. Frank Gambale - If you like shred. The Rippingtons - If you think you might like some Cool "cheesy" jazz. They are really good though.
Ytse on,
eD
NP - Exlporers Club/AOI
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:39:56 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: dt big Message-ID: <19990311153956.8827.qmail@hotmail.com>
>I knew DT was not underground but Mike Portnoy mentioned before >Lars Ulrich? In this day and age when popularity counts more >than talent (why else do i see kurt cobain on the cover of Guitar >magazine and korn's guitarists writing a column inside?) im >surprised. Is DT really THAT big?
when OIALT was first released i went down to the local tower records and they had a huge blow up of the cover in the window.. also was in the front display rack at sam goodie.. the fact that major cd retailers feel that dream theater offers a product that they can headline means that dt is coming up in the industry.. one day prog will rule the world!!!
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