YTSEJAM Digest 4736
Today's Topics:
1) Austin Ytsjammerz
by Compadre32@aol.com
2) re: fusion
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
3) NIGHTWISH VIDEO
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) Jimmy the smack head, prog idols
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
5) recommendations for lover of Opeth
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4735
by Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net>
7) Feelings, nothing but, feelings
by Tokugawa Tigger-ette <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
8) Jazz for Josh!
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
9) ACOS original studio version
by Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
10) re: Hehehehe
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
11) The Facts about Kenny Aronof and the pumpkins...etc..
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
12) For those who are curious...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) Re: jaco pastorius
by pete gilman <pgilman@monmouth.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4735
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
15) Classical is Fanatical
by AyameYuki@aol.com
16)
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Federico_D=EDaz_de_Le=F3n_Orraca?=
17)
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Federico_D=EDaz_de_Le=F3n_Orraca?=
18) re: fusion
by <dthomas@best.com>
19) New Platypus
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
20) Frothion.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:39:27 EST
From: Compadre32@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Austin Ytsjammerz
Message-ID: <726bfda1.36e8461f@aol.com>
Any Ytsejammerz from The Austin area----
I have always known about how big the music scene is in Austin, TX (Eric
Johnson, Stevie Ray Vaughn) and i was just wandering if there are any
Ytsejammerz from the Austin area who wanna get together and play some kick ass
neo-prog rock and prog-metal in an organized format...contact me here:
Compadre32@aol.com
Also any jammerz from the Houston/Beaumont, TX area....i want to change the
music scene around here.
thanks to anyone who can help.
lata <J C W>
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:43:29 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: fusion
Message-ID: <19990311224329.24018.qmail@hotmail.com>
Chris Ptacek said:
> The problem with these three is that it's not a stretch to
>call any of them prog. It's not really jazz in the sense that
>it's a lot of improv over specific changes. Casino is very
>composed (one of my favorite discs btw)Mahavishnu is very free
>(something like free jazz, so I suppose it qualifies, but it's
>not the direction I think most people are thinking when they
>say "jazz" you know?) and Weather Report, while being the most
>fusiony of the bunch, is very similar to Casino in form.
> I don't really consider DiMeola to be a jazz guitarist. I >consider
him to be a master musician, and one of my greatest >influences
technically and musically, but he rarely does
>anything that would fall under the category of jazz in my book.
i agree wholeheartedly.. dimeola was the reason i picked up guitar.. i
hear him play and i said "shit!! i gotta do that someday!".. who knows
if i'll ever get to that level though.. takes a lot..
but yeah.. the modern fusion scene is very much progressive music.. the
difference i see is that it's focused mainly around riffs and very jazzy
chord structure.. although casino moves in a very progressive way it's
fusion the sence that it's a mixture of jazz and rock.. the lead lines
he plays and the chords that build the songs have nothing standard
(straight major, minor, augmented, or diminished) about them..
so yes.. it's prog.. but more than anything it's fusion..
maybe that's why i like it so much :)
inferno
NP: al's first three albums sequentially
Land of the Midnight Sun
Elegant Gypsy
Casino
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:48:19 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: NIGHTWISH VIDEO
Message-ID: <199903112248.OAA28932@gms.gmsnet.com>
Ok, the Nightwish video for Sacrament of Wilderness is UP!!!
KILLER MPEG FORMAT!!! Both high-bandwidth and low-bandwidth versions!!
So those of you wondering what they sound like can now see it in audio and
visual.
Thanks go out to: Marko Ollila and Nightwish.
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:53:09 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jimmy the smack head, prog idols Message-ID: <36E84955.D7204136@ucla.edu>
> Actually, Smashing Pumpkins' new drummer is... Jimmy Chamberlain! Yup > yup yup, he's re-joined the band. I never saw that one coming.
Well, I guess this is the end of SP. D'arcy threatened to quit if he was asked to come back. Oh well, no loss to the world. There last album was garbage anyway.
Gotta apologize for not knowing who Kenny was. About a month ago I didn't know who Neil Peart was. Most of the people on this list are musicians as in drummer, bassist, keyboardist, guitarists, and all have idols in those respective categories. I only play wind instruements and im a wannabe bassist/guitarist. That's probably why there are not many women among prog fans, becuase there just aren't that many women who play instruments in bands (not talking orchestra here). This is not up for debate, its a fact. I've spent plenty of time at Guitar Center, and don't remember seeing enother woman there.
~~Amanda
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:59:59 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: recommendations for lover of Opeth Message-ID: <36E84AEF.946F0F16@ucla.edu>
hey people,
Was cleaning up my hard drive and found some MP3s by Opeth. !!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wow, I loved it! Does anyone out there have any reccomendations for someone that loves what she's heard of Opeth so far, and is a big Katatonia and In Flames fan? Im not too keen on cookie monster vocals though.
> Subject: Bushy Amos Hehehe, this sounded like the start of another lesbian thread. ;)
IceQueen: I don't care if someone is a SHE or a HE. Being an attention starved whiner with nothing to say supercedes any biases I may have towards gender.
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:54:17 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4735 Message-ID: <36E865B9.7FAA2CB7@mira.net>
> > > > > > > > > Dave Gilmour did indeed 'discover' Kate. She wrote 'Wuthering Heights' we > think at the age of 14 after studying the book aat school, but the record > company kept her on hold until she was 18 to avoid the 'child star' tag. > 'Wuthering Heights' was released when Kate was 18 - as was her first album > 'The Kick Inside' ....... >
Thanks for clearing it up for me and also to the guy who answered by Kate and Tori confusion.
> > > ok about the jazz subject. im not huge into jazz but i like some of it. > not getting into the categories cuz ill be here all day with twelve pages > lol.. ive been hearing a few clips here and there from a very well known > bassist in the industry but very little known in the average musical > area's. the name is JACO PASTORIUS!! im just wondering if anyone could > help me find a cd of his thats the most umm i guess rock influenced > style. he is a very awesome and talented bassist but ive only heard a few > clips that i guess were the "bop" category. im trying to get the money > for the myung and sheehan instructional videos. *sheehand does an > unbelievable peanuts interpretation on the video* lol > robgaul > _
I know of his work with Joni Mitchell... I'm not sure how many albums he actually appeared on, but he definitely works with her on 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" (1977). From what I understand he had quite a free rein in regards to his Bass contributions! This is one of my favourite Joni albums, who considers herself a Jazz musician. She also worked with Charles Mingus (another Jazz Great) on "Mingus", Herbie Hancock and other noted Jazz musicians. Perhaps you can check out her 'jazz influenced' works. ( I wouldn't call her music Jazz. It encompasses too many 'genre's')
Jaco is considered an excellent bassist in the Jazz community. His widow occasionally tells stories to the Joni community (her Internet List which I am a member of) in which she reminisces of Joni and Jaco's working relationship. Very interesting.
Vanessa.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:55:20 -0600 (CST) From: Tokugawa Tigger-ette <eernewe1@gnofn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Feelings, nothing but, feelings Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990311174756.13512A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
One of my major complaints about the music society is how people try to "catergorize" music. This doesn't sound "prog" enough. Metallica does not have the "metal sound" anymore. I have been both a DT fan and a Metallica fan since I discovered HARD ROCK. That is much broader catergory that almost every band mentioned in metal, progressive and white boy rap metal AKA Korn can kit into. You go into Camelot music and DT is in the POP/Rock section, while Savatage, POISON, and others are in the metal section. I can understand teh Tage, but Poison? People are to quick to make judgements on music because of an image. Take Reload for example. Of course it isn'y going to sound like Puppets, as Jason said. "We already did Master of Puppets" Does IAW sound like Awake? Does The 1st White Zombie CD sound like Astro Creep? Bands change over time, they would get bored doing teh same thing over and over again. To say DT or Metallica "sold out" is a very false statement indeed.
Just my feelings, Kurt
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:45:07 -0600 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Jazz for Josh! Message-ID: <l03130302b30e1250cd84@[128.83.251.17]>
You can't go wrong with Al DiMeola. his newest CD, Infinite Desire, is really cool. Also, his Acoustic Anthology is pretty cool.
Jaco Pastorius Birthday Concert is another really great CD, and it's live. Jaco is just about the best bass player ever, with some of the best tone!
One of the best CDs I have is John McLaughlin, Al DiMeola, and Paco DeLucia: Friday Nite in San Francisco. they tear it up on acoustic guitars, no rhythm section or anything. it's one of the most amazing live performances EVER.
John McLaughlin: The Promise is another really cool CD. It's got a whole slew of guest musicians, like Sting, Jeff Beck, DiMeola, etc.
John Scofield: A Go Go is pretty cool, too, and it has a pretty chill vibe. It features Medeski, Martin, and Wood, another cool group (they're organ, bass, and drums, not necessarily in that order).
Hope this helps!
Jim Shields Guitar/vocals - Room 213 Undeclared Junior in Liberal Arts and Proud of it!
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:59:08 -0300 From: Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ACOS original studio version Message-ID: <36E866DC.A438D27C@conex.com.br>
A Change Of Seasons (16:45) - (Original studio version - From the "Antiquities" CD) - Mike Portnoy
Does someone have this ACOS version? Where can I find it in mp3 format ?
-- []s Fernando Rauber ICQ: 2281311 http://fast.to/frmp
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Hehehehe Message-ID: <19990312010621.25833.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
"Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> wrote:
>>Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (a classic, early, improv jazz recording)
> This isn't that early for jazz. Excellent simple disc to get if you > want to start listening.
You are correct my friend. Please delete "early" from that description. For a musical style that's almost 100 years old, Kind of Blue would be recent, only having it's 40th anniversary this year.
>>Steely Dan - Aja (a classic jazz-rock album)
> ARGH! ARRRRGHH!!!! You did NOT just call Steely Dan jazz... tell me > you were kidding. PLEASE!
Ha! Ha! (I knew that would drive a real jazz fan crazy.) I did call it jazz-rock. Might be better to use jazz-influenced rock. Let's just say that anyone who only knows rock and metal would listen to Aja and say what the hell are they playing...(I did the first time I heard it). The standard reply is "jazz". But it can be a good stepping stone for a first-timer like the original poster. It's a lot more accessible than jumping straight into the deep end of jazz (and running away traumatized).
my $.02, BH
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:53:16 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Facts about Kenny Aronof and the pumpkins...etc.. Message-ID: <000501be6c2b$1b273360$9d723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
Hey all.. Just wanted to talk about Kenny for a moment. I would like to start off by saying the NO OTHER drummer has been as instrumental in my drum "career". Kenny literally taught me how to drum (except for the rudiments and techniques that I learned in lessons, playing jazz) Now a little history on Kenny. Kenny is an older drummer (I say older in the sense that he has seen the music scene progress probably 3 times before I was born) I don't know what Kenny's first gigs were, but I know for a fact that Kenny was John Mellencamps' first and only drummer up until "Mr. Happy go lucky" was released. I must say that Kenny is one of the most SOLID rock drummers that I have ever heard. In fact, I think that his best work (that I have heard) will have to be on "Whenever we wanted" by JM. SOLID good rock! As for why KA left John "Cougar" Mellencamp (John has lost the Cougar now for years). Upon completion of JM's "Mr. Happy go lucky album" KA felt left out of the mix. Why, you ask? JM's producer thought that it would be a great idea to use a rap producer on the album to "Pop" up the album. It turns out that nearly 75% of KA's drum tracks were "removed" from the album. They used a drum machine on a bunch of the tracks. I HATE THIS ALBUM. When KA left JM's band he immediately had work. He joined up with Bob Segar. When he found out that BS had no intention of going into the studio for a while, he departed. Next, KA got some "fill-in" work. He in no way "joined" Smashing Pumpkins. He "joined" for the tour. In fact, he was paid handily. Now for my pumpkins "rant". Screw Jimmy Chamberlin. This guy single handedly killed a great keyboardist by "inflicting" his habit on him. I firmly feel that the Pumpkins are going completely against what they said when they decided to part with him. It is downright disgusting. If anyone honestly feels that Jimmy Chamberlin is no longer a heroin addict, please let me know. I can't think of any rock star that has been able to "kick" the habit in one year. Heroin is debillitating. I don't know what to say.... Well, I can say this. I am not buying any Pumpkins albums! I'm off the soapbox... Later, J Jeremy Kube inflmmbl@tiac.net kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:07:10 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: For those who are curious... Message-ID: <004901be6c2d$139ae900$4d0d84d0@default>
NKOTB: "Hangin' Tough" was number two on MTV Total Request what-the-fuck today. It had 38% of the email votes. Unfortunately, the insult was so vague that I don't think most of the actual viewers even have a clue what it was about. My little bro informant (Informer! Detective mon...) didn't get it anyway until I explained it to him and he laughed. He hates N' Sync and the Backbumper Boys.
Since this was a minor discussion awhile ago, I just thought I'd let you all know... Any ideas about requesting PMU in the near future? I thought not. :) It'll just piss off all the little horny bastards because it bumped Brittney Spears off of the list. It'd piss me off, too, actually. :) What? Jailbait? Never heard of it. DOH! -- KorgX3 wants Shania Twain and a six pack of Cherry Coke.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:12:26 -0500 From: pete gilman <pgilman@monmouth.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: jaco pastorius Message-ID: <7966.990311@monmouth.com>
> From: robgaul@juno.co
> the name is JACO PASTORIUS!! im just wondering if anyone could > help me find a cd of his thats the most umm i guess rock influenced > style
the closest thing i can think of would be his work with joni mitchell on her albums "hejira" and "don juan's reckless daughter;" music from both is also on the transcendent live album "shadows and light."
that being said, though, let me add that if you play bass, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't listen at the very least to his first, eponymous album, and weather report's "heavy weather." both will stun you and make you either woodshed intensely or consider quitting altogether, i promise. 8-)
as my former bass teacher, dave larue, once said: "jaco wasn't the best bass player; he was the ONLY bass player."
pete pgilman@monmouth.com
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:21:23 EST From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4735 Message-ID: <aed095b3.36e89643@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/11/99 2:16:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> Actually, Smashing Pumpkins' new drummer is... Jimmy Chamberlain! Yup > yup yup, he's re-joined the band. I never saw that one coming.
Yup Jimmy has rejoined and this in my opinion is the best move SP have ever made....i personlay think he is a great drummer and withought him SP sucks as we all heard from there last album.
Cheers! Rob http://welcome.to/Phosphenes
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:29:45 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Classical is Fanatical Message-ID: <4a8f6c31.36e89839@aol.com>
hey jammers,
i just attended an amazing lute/classical guitar concert. the guitarist is Mr. Yelverton...oh man, that guy can totally jam on Fuoco ( this piece that only...what...about 3 out of 190 people could actually play at my school about 4 years ago ).....im sure he's got a third pair of hands. he's like the jackie chan of hand movement on the guitar. and his lute playing...hold on to your seats! i dont know how much tech training he went through...but man, id love to get to the speed he was at. but man, you should have been there! he had like 14 encores and stuff. and took like 7 bows, and got at least 4 standing ovations.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:45:13 -0600 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Federico_D=EDaz_de_Le=F3n_Orraca?= To: "'ytsejam-request@arastar.com'" <ytsejam-request@anthor.arastar.com> Message-ID: <01BE6C0F.60B77E60@slip-187.cencar.udg.mx>
Suscribe ytsejam "Federico D=EDaz de Le=F3n Orraca"
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:41:06 -0600 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Federico_D=EDaz_de_Le=F3n_Orraca?= To: "'ytsejam-request@arastar.com'" <ytsejam-request@anthor.arastar.com> Cc: "'ytsejam@arastar.com'" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Message-ID: <01BE6C11.072BAFE0@slip-187.cencar.udg.mx>
Suscribe ytsejam "Federico D=EDaz de Le=F3n Orraca"
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: <dthomas@best.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: fusion Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9903112129500.20559-100000@fpage2.ba.best.com>
All this talk about jazz and such brings up a question I have: who, if anyone, is performing fusion music today? I love Al DiMeola, Jean Luc Ponty and other similar artists, but much of their material was recorded in the '70's and '80's. Is there anyone carrying on the "fusion" tradition, or has the music morphed into something else? I'm always looking for recommendations of new music, as there's no such thing as "too many CDs"...
DT
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:43:15 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New Platypus Message-ID: <19990312054315.16966.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
Just checkin out Kings X website and found out Ty Tabor is going to start recording the next Platypus cd soon. Plus Kings X are going to have another U.S. tour. Check out Kings X website for more info. http://www.compassnet.com/grump/
NP: Devin Townsend/Infinity
== John Parks jpyyz@yahoo.com
Why does it happen, because it happens, Roll the Bones.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:58:55 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Frothion. Message-ID: <003401be6c55$d014da00$4d0d84d0@default>
>in the '70's and '80's. Is there anyone carrying on the "fusion" >tradition, or has the music morphed into something else? I'm always
Go pick up John Tesh's new one, One World. Yah sure, it's fusion. Yup. :)
<j/k> But it really is a great new age album. hehehe. Much more entertaining than all of the stuff I'd heard of his before. After he quit ET and pulled that skank ho Mary Hart away form his crotch he got to be alot better musician. Now if he'd only assassinate Kathy Lee Gifford (come here, you little bitch...) I'd worship the man.
Point? There is none here. -- KorgX3 wants Martha Stewart more then Shania Twain.
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