YTSEJAM Digest 4738
Today's Topics:
1) a short bitching
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
2) MP3 upload server ??
by "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
3) Jazz baby...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
4) Superior
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
5) Re: are YOU selling out!
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
6) Lars and Ringo - no DTC
by "Antony Gelberg" <antony@antgel.demon.co.uk>
7) Kenny Aronoff
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
8) Re: recommendations for lover of Opeth
by Carlos Alfaro <progboy@mindless.com>
9) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4736
by "Metros" <metros@accesshub.net>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4735
by CptFufu@aol.com
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4735
by DTheater99@aol.com
12) Re: jazz/fusion
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
13) (no subject)
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
14) Fusion/Jazz
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4736
by robgaul@juno.com
16) Kings X
by IceQD@aol.com
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4736
by IceQD@aol.com
18) Newborn Event
by IceQD@aol.com
19) ;)
by "YAN GONZALEZ" <korg_74@hotmail.com>
20) Simon says
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
21) Lars and shit drumming
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
22) Re: Simon says
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:20:11 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: a short bitching
Message-ID: <199903121320.PAA13426@xyz.estcard.ee>
> From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
> No one ever forces anyone else to do drugs. I didn't see anyone
> tying Jon Melvoin down and sticking a needle in his arm. Sorry, but as a
With a little experience (not first-hand knowledge, luckily) myself, I can
say that may not always be the case. Responsible, yes, but not everybody
has the guts to resist those very persistent and influential persuaders,
who brainwash people into thinking that regular heroin trips is something
no one can live without. A friend of mine got pushed on the wagon and
hasn't gotten off since. Just because he was told "it's cool, why'nt ya
check it out just for once". And for all it's worth, I lay most of the
blame on those two bigmouthed hippies who turned him to hard drugs.
So, in short, I beg to differ.
DTC: Listening to Dream Theater while intoxicated is a worthless
experience.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:17:13 -0000
From: "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: MP3 upload server ??
Message-ID: <002b01be6c93$07003900$5a0778c1@rob.seagull.ie>
I've been trying to send Ytsejim an MP3 of Dixie Dregs' Ice Cakes (from What
If). Would anyone know of an FTP server to which I can upload the file -
and would this server be available for us all to use as a kind of MP3
exchange server?
This is something which would benefit us all as we tend to use MP3's to
sample bands' music (I got into Spock's Beard, Chromakey and a few others
through MP3s).
Rob.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:36:12 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Jazz baby...
Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF03339B@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
Lots of talk about jazz and fusion and stuff, I don't think
anyone's mentioned Bill Bruford's Earthworks. I don't know too much
about it, I've only heard it a couple of times (my brother has it - but
I'm about 4000 miles away from him now). I don't know the other
musicians on it but basically it's kind of a jazzy, fusion, bunch of
instrumentals, alot of it is played by Bill using his Simmons electronic
drums (most advanced at the time). I ought to get hold of it being an
electronic drum man myself.
Anyhoo....
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
NP: Machine Head - The More Things Change (er...not very jazzy at all
really).
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:46:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Superior
Message-ID: <19990312144617.14312.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com>
Was checking out cdnow and saw they have Superior "Unique" for sale...
Figures they can't even spell the album name correctly...
It's also $32 but includes the bonus track...
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:49:07 +0200
From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: are YOU selling out!
Message-ID: <199903121450.QAA11317@forthnet.gr>
Dr. Mosh:
>Saying Metallica didn't sellout is like saying the Pope isn't Catholic...
Is he? Did they? Doubt both of 'em.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:09:44 -0000
From: "Antony Gelberg" <antony@antgel.demon.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Lars and Ringo - no DTC
Message-ID: <001201be6c9a$6264f720$5b50dec2@antgel.demon.co.uk>
Hi all, just thought I'd comment here:
>Lars is a great drummer. I remember the evil " Less Is More?" debate
>that started just after I got here (I seem to remember some thread
>about Liv Tyler blowing her dad was in my first Digest!), and someone
>said "Lars isn't interesting enough to play slow...la la la...xyz
>drummers had it, Ringo had it..." No he didn't. Beatles records bore
>the living shit out of me. The drums are shite; okay, you can argue
>that nothing else would really have fitted, but none of that
>disguises that Ringo Star was a shit drummer. And Lars Ulrich IS
>interesting enough when he plays slow. IMO.
Well I'm no drummer, I'm a guitarist, but to my ears, Lars is in fact
one of the worst drummers of all time in a famous band. I don't like
his sense of timekeeping, his sound or his fills. Some of his notes
just seem to be in the wrong places, imo. He just sounds cheesy to me,
and pretty bog-standard. And another thing. He pulls some ridiculous
faces.
On the black album "making-of" video, whilst listening to playbacks of
the Nothing Else Matters drum tracks, Lars says, "Bonham would be
proud". Well I didn't know John, but all I can say is that he probably
would be laughing too much to even think about being proud.
Ringo was a shit drummer too, but at least he didn't have an ego
problem, as far as I am aware.
Just my 2 ECUs
--- AntonyEmail: antony@antgel.demon.co.uk or gelberga@dcs.kcl.ac.uk
ICQ: 26767777
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:01:48 -0300 From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Kenny Aronoff Message-ID: <000201be6ca2$087f1300$b715d3c8@bretel>
Just to complete the list where he's played...
Jon Bon Jovi - Destination: Anywhere (both recording and tour) Richie Sambora - Undiscovered Soul (both recording and tour)
Gilberto
my girl must be happy about the *BonJovi* subject on the list :P
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:22:17 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <progboy@mindless.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: recommendations for lover of Opeth Message-ID: <36E93F38.AF2FE655@mindless.com>
Amanda Rosenblum wrote:
> hey people, > > Was cleaning up my hard drive and found some MP3s by Opeth. > !!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wow, I loved it! Does anyone out there have any > reccomendations for someone that loves what she's heard of Opeth so > far, and is a big Katatonia and In Flames fan? Im not too keen on > cookie monster vocals though. >
what were the titles? in any case.. you cant go wrong with any of the 3 opeth releases! ...sort of curious tho..since i think the in flames dude reaaally barks :) ( they rock tho) Opeth mixes clean and growls ( i hate the cookie monster term)
> > > Subject: Bushy Amos > Hehehe, this sounded like the start of another lesbian thread. ;) > > IceQueen: > I don't care if someone is a SHE or a HE. Being an attention starved > whiner with nothing to say supercedes any biases I may have towards > gender. > > ~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:34:33 -0500 From: "Metros" <metros@accesshub.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4736 Message-ID: <000001be6ca6$37068e20$5c1336d1@metropolis>
Hmmm....as for Opeth, I am not really into them, but In Flames I like, and Dark Tranquillity... If you haven't heard of Dimension Zero, pick up a copy (if you find one in stores, I got mine through cdnow as an import). It features members of In Flames and Dark Tranquillity.
As for A Change Of Seasons (older version), in case you didn't know, there is a live version of it in Canadian Skies.. The address is http://dreamtheater.ml.org
Now....the Metallica issue....I like them...I like KEA all the way up to GI. Yes, I will have to agree that they did change and all that non-sense. I still like the music whether or not some rap, or alternative kid says that they are his favorite band and he only knows Until It Sleeps and King Nothing. IF images and words started getting airplay all over and eMpTyV had a video of almost all the songs on the album and played them every 30 minutes...I would still like it, even though some would classify it as being selling out material. Actually, I give up on the selling out crap.. I have been arguing the point since the Black album. If you like them, listen to them, if you don't, don't listen to them, don't waste your breath on arguing the point of whether they sold out or not...
P.S. I am new here so I have the slightest idea of whether or not you guys know any of this material... later
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:38:22 EST From: CptFufu@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4735 Message-ID: <d2c4864d.36e942fe@aol.com>
<< ive been hearing a few clips here and there from a very well known bassist in the industry but very little known in the average musical area's. the name is JACO PASTORIUS!! im just wondering if anyone could help me find a cd of his thats the most umm i guess rock influenced style. he is a very awesome and talented bassist but ive only heard a few clips that i guess were the "bop" category. >>
Jaco is probably the best bassist ever. Obviously this is debatable, but it is a lot more clear-cut than best guitarist or best drummer to most people. He has a wide variety of work, from his weather report albums, to joni mitchell, to his solo albums. I recommend heavy weather. It is very much a fusion album, but it has teen town, a jaco composition that has some of his best playing and is about as close to rock as he got. Also check out his self-titled solo album and the birthday concert cd, both are very good.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:37:30 EST From: DTheater99@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4735 Message-ID: <5f06ba21.36e942ca@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/11/99 5:16:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< About ticket prices...Ive seen DT twice when they were headlining, and both prices were about 25$. This was in NYC once, and on Long Island the other time, so maybe they're more popular in their local area. >>
Yeah, Dream Theater have built up a pretty good rep over here on the east coast. Whenever I see them, the places are packed and they are usually turning people away at the door if they don't have tickets. The clubs see this and they raise the prices. When I saw DT at Irving Plaza, 11/22/97, tickets were maybe $15-18. The next time I went to see them, they went up to $25. I'm not complaining in the least bit. It doesn't matter the price of the ticket, or where they are. I live in New York and I went two and a half hours away to the see them in Connecticut. One more thing. How come they have never played any stadiums like Nassau or Jones Beach, and I don't mean as a supporting band. Type O played Nassau and didn't even sell the place out. They only had the floor seats open from what I heard. DT has as much, probably even more, of a following than Type O.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:45:06 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: jazz/fusion Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990312214506.00922680@messagebox.com>
>Niacin - High Bias > >John Novello on hammond & soundalikes, Billy Sheehan on bass, Dennis >Chambers on drums, I had heard only little of Chambers before this disc, >and I hadn't heard Novello at all, so I put my expectations on >Sheehan, and wasn't disappointed at all, yet the other guys surpass him, >the band plays really tight kb-drums-bass trio jazz fusion. There are some >clips at cdnow,(hope this works) at Man Niacin is a monster-project!!! Whoever is reading this - buy the damn CD!!!!! It is damn awesome!!! Even if you're a guitar player it should be ineteresting to listen to, and Billy outshreds alot of guitarists out there!!! I saw them live during their US tour in summer and they rocked!!! Honestly as a bass player I can say that I don't really dig Sheehan's style (I am more of a Stu Hamm-oriented guy), but I can't help admitting his most awesome work in Niacin!!!
~Peter ========================================================== The maintainer of the YtseJamCD Project site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 ===========================================================
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:48:20 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <36E97D94.9E9A1FE2@bigfoot.com>
>No one ever forces anyone else to do drugs.
Chris Rock said it best: "People don't sell drugs... Drugs sell themselves! You'll never hear anyone say, 'Darn! How'm I gonna get rid of all this crack?'"
Joshkosh b'gosh
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:38:49 +0100 From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk> To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Fusion/Jazz Message-ID: <002a01bc2f2d$c6aea7a0$68d552c3@finn2>
Hey! Just came back from a wonderful trip to Florence, where i bought 5YIAL and Live in Tokyo plus a kick-ass DT-T-shirt. N E way...Has anyone mentioned that the guy who plays the Alto sax on Take Away My Pain and another track on OIAL, which i can't remember is played by Jay Beckenstein from the jazz-band Spyro Gyra...how 'bout checking them out?
Simon Krogh
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:57:55 +0000 From: robgaul@juno.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4736 Message-ID: <19990312.165758.-72159.11.robgaul@juno.com>
that being said, though, let me add that if you play bass, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't listen at the very least to his first, eponymous album, and weather report's "heavy weather." both will stun you and make you either woodshed intensely or consider quitting altogether, i promise. 8-)
ROFLMAO ok ok. ive heard OF that album but again its hard to find a lot of stuff like that out here unless ur willing to pay 14.95 a cd.. *i dont think so* ill prob pick up heavy weather and the joni mitchel one next week. thanks everyone :) robgaul ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:05:25 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Kings X Message-ID: <eb9ff273.36e98fa5@aol.com>
The band are also touring the UK in April
Oscar
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:05:23 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4736 Message-ID: <4a91a9b5.36e98fa3@aol.com>
In a message dated 12-03-99 07:12:36, you write:
>Being an attention starved >whiner with nothing to say supercedes any biases I may have towards >gender. > >~~Amanda
But why would you call yourself an attention starved whiner? You seem to have enough to say .........
Fire, Ice and Oscar the bin monster.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:15:52 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Newborn Event Message-ID: <26b48985.36e99218@aol.com>
IceQD wrote: >PS: DT content - wonder how far they (DT) got with the new album before Mike >and Marlene Portnoy had their newborn event?
Al wrote:
>>The question certainly is commendable, but... Newborn event? Anyone using the language of the "politically correct" should be taken out and beaten with a hose. That statement is about as sterile as it gets. I hope you realize I'm just having fun. :) >>
So are we ;-) Anyone see that new star in the sky?
PS: someone smack CP he used the 'g' word - and give SJ Dodd an award for NOT using it ... yet
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:18:06 PST From: "YAN GONZALEZ" <korg_74@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ;) Message-ID: <19990312221807.9277.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi !!! Just wanna thank everyone for the suggestions...!!!! ;) Be good on the weekend...! Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:26 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Simon says Message-ID: <199903122308.PAA19053@knight.axnet.net>
"and some one said 'Lars isn't interesting enough to play slow ...la la la...xyz drummers had it, Ringo had it...'" No he didn't. Beatles records bore the living shit out of me. The drums are shite; okay, you can argue that nothing else could really have fitted, but none of that disguises that Ringo was a shit drummer. And Lars Ulrich IS an interesting enough when he plays slow, IMO." I was the one you paraphrased in your rant-let. None of what you have said above disguises the fact that you have absolutely failed to make a point. You know what? I don't care for the Beatles either, but saying that Ringo was a shit drummer is ignorant. I'll write this next bit in caps so you that you can clearly see a concept that is apparently alien to you. PLAYING WHAT FITS IS THE WHOLE FUCKING IDEA!!!!!!!!!! Ok. Lars is not playing what fits, his new methodology is quite suspect. He's LAZY. He plays nearly the exact same thing in every song and doesn't vary his fills to any appreciable degree. He plays the snare and kick with the same volume and intensity in nearly every song (mostly the kick...he IS doing snare rolls these days, but they're sloppy...another component of his laziness). I'd even say that Lars played FAST in the early days to disguise the fact that he was a shit drummer. Fast was all he could do to impress anyone. How do you find Lars' slow playing interesting? Is it the repetition? The complete lack of creativity? Ringo, despite playing stuff that bores the shit out of your pristine ass, was not lazy. Though he played a lot of the same things, his touch varied from song to song, giving each one its own unique vibe. No, I don't like the Beatles. But I am a careful listener (even to stuff that I don't like). Maybe you should listen carefully too. -Rahul Ananda-
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:35:59 -0600 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Lars and shit drumming Message-ID: <36E9A4DF.52F5@rollanet.org>
I wouldn't say Lars was always a shit drummer, just in the 90's ;) heh heh. Seriously though, the older stuff is better, most of the albums have decent drums, and one could argue their shittiness I suppose, except for one, ...And Justice For All. That album has some VERY good drum parts in it, so good in fact, it almost hurts to hear them do stuff from that album live now, cause Lars can't play his *OWN* songs to save his life, *especially* that album... Lars playing slow? nowadays, terrible, wasn't too bad on the black album, but the newer stuff... makes one wonder why they didn't just use a drum machine, it would have had just as much feeling in it... as for a drummer playing good slow, I'd take MP :)
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:38:26 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Simon says Message-ID: <199903122338.PAA16782@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Rahul Ananda" thus begged: > > > Ok. Lars is not playing what fits, his new methodology is quite > suspect. He's LAZY. He plays nearly the exact same thing in > every song and doesn't vary his fills to any appreciable degree. > He plays the snare and kick with the same volume and intensity > in nearly every song (mostly the kick...he IS doing snare rolls > these days, but they're sloppy...another component of his laziness). > I'd even say that Lars played FAST in the early days to disguise > the fact that he was a shit drummer. Fast was all he could do > to impress anyone. > > How do you find Lars' slow playing interesting? Is it the > repetition? The complete lack of creativity?
I think Lars' new minimalist drumming philosophy is based on the fact that he smokes too much pot, drinks too much and generally has degraded to the point of having a hard time keeping time. He has never been able to play true double bass like guys like Portnoy or Raymond Herrera or Virgil Donati... so he played fast with his hands... but not with his feet...
-The Doc
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