YTSEJAM Digest 4739
Today's Topics:
1) Re:a bunch of shit
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
2) Re: Lars and Ringo - no DTC
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Lars and shit drumming
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
4) Re: Kenny Aronoff
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
5) Re: Philosophy
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
6) Re: Opeth
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
7) Mike Portnoy and shit drumming... er oops...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8)
by William Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu>
9) various controlled substances...
by Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4738
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4738
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) (no subject)
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
13) Re: Mike Portnoy and shit drumming... er oops...
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
14) Re: (no subject), music Q's + very (extremely) minor DTC
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
15) Sorry, it's late... Let the hallucinations begin...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) Galactic Cowboys and Euro King's X tour?
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
17) DT on HiFi on WWW's recommended recordings!
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
18) Re: Sorry, it's late... Let the hallucinations begin...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:30:16 -0500
From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re:a bunch of shit
Message-ID: <00303432821077@twave.net>
More than
A few observations.
> BTW, anybody know what Kate's been up to lately?
Me an' her have been kickin Dave Gilmour's insides, trying to
persuade him to get out of bed and write a new Floyd album.
I hope to hell that he's at least thinking about a new Floyd album:
"Um, hellow this is United States calling Dave Gilmour, are we
reaching....he Fucking hung up....i think that was a girl's
voice,....sounded like Kate Bush!" Damit write a new album!
>Currently in the car's changer:
> 5.) Saturday Night Fever - Soundtrack (disco lives)
Uh huh. Okay, like WHY?? Should we be worried?
Nothing's wrong with a little disco now and again! I pop that one
in when i'm feeling funky, or getting ready for a date. Nothing
better to get you in that date mood than some SNF!
> As for Metallica: They sold out. It's up to you whether or not you care.
OH NO! NOT THIS AGAIN!!
I don't think they 'sold-out' but they did change, and IMHO not for
the better! I hated the black album when it came out, cause it
didn't seem like Metallica to me. But when L & R-L came out i
fucking loved the Black album... cause L & R-L sucked hard! I guess
i never really aprecaited the Black album until they put out some
total SHIT! IM-NSH-O the only songs on these two albums worth
listening to are: hero of the day, cure, the unforgiven II, thorn
within and the outlaw torn (my favorite song of the two cd's).
I think The Outlaw Torn and Thorn Within sound more like the
oldschool Metallica than any other of the songs.
As for them cutting thier hair, if i had hair to my ass for like 10
years i'd probably cut it all off too!
Someone posted earlier that if they put out another AJFA or MOP they
wouldn't buy it. Well i sure as hell would. If we got an AJFA II
i'd be the first M-fucker in line. But if we got ReReLoad i woudn't
bother getting out of bed!
>(note that they swore they'd never do a video, cut their hair, or wear
>makeup, all of which they thrive on now)
Note that they also gloated that Metallica didn't need huge light
shows and flashy stage sets back when they were trawling RTL about
the globe. Now look at the Justice... tour and EAT THEM WORDS!!!
Well they also didn't have the money back then to even consider a
fancy light show. And i think that is for the FANS to enjoy. Floyd
didn't do any extravagant light shows when they were on thier
Animals tour (usually the fans provided that via acid and mary jane)
but they have a hellova light show now that they have the money to
give back to the fans!
OH DEAR!!! Obviously that makes it a sell-out, because it ACTUALLY
SOLD RECORDS!!! Well, I've been so stupid for all this time - I'm
gonna go home and throw out all those other records when the band
sold out (that is to say, Ptacek would have us believe, they sold
records:) - I'm gonna bin "Dark Side of the Moon", "The Wall",
I'm glad your were kidding about DS and the Wall or i'd open up an
good ol' can of whoop ass on you....hehe
> (don't even tell me Lars is a great drummer, or Hammett studied
Lars is a great drummer.
Lars its a hellova drummer, i will second that anyday.
phew, thank God that's over with...
> PS: DT content - wonder how far they (DT) got with the new album before
Mike
> and Marlene Portnoy had their newborn event?
Maybe now they're taking a break, it'd be a good time for an update
from JR or one of the others; since Mike's otherwise engaged?
Si wants Emma Ledden.
sorry about my ignorance but who the hell is she?!
(p.s., let's follow Korg's trend: everyone hold up their hands and
say who they like - banned names inc. Kate Bush, Tori AMos)
Does it have to a girl from music???? i'd take meg ryan and a 1/5 of
scotch (Glenlivet 18)
cd rotation: Jeff Buckly "Grace", Type O''Negative "October Rust",
DT "OIALT", Manowar "Kings of Metal" Jethro Tull "20 years of tull"
indii______________________________
hear me: And if i close my mind in fear. please pry it open!
see me: And if my face becomes sincere, BEWARE!
hear me: And when i start to come undone, stitch me together!
see me: And when you see me strut, remind me what left this outlaw
torn! (Hetfield)
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:47:24 PST
From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Lars and Ringo - no DTC
Message-ID: <19990313004725.25619.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Hi all, just thought I'd comment here:
>Ringo was a shit drummer too, but at least he didn't have an ego
>problem, as far as I am aware.
>
>Just my 2 ECUs
>---
>Antony
You didn't mention was that he wrote the *WORST* songs. I'm not talking
about the worst Beatles songs (which were typically pretty good), I'm
talking about how he wrote the WORST SONGS EVER WRITTEN. Check out
Abbey Road. "Octopus' Garden", what the fuck!?? I can write shit like
that in my sleep, that doesn't mean that I want to release in on an
album that people will actually pay money to hear! The WORST songs were
always Ringo's.
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:58:43 -0500
From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Lars and shit drumming
Message-ID: <00585382822237@twave.net>
makes one wonder why they didn't just use a drum machine, it would
have had just as much feeling in it... as for a drummer playing
good slow,
I'd take MP :)
Don't forget Scott Columbus from Manowar or that guy from Type
O'Negative (i always forget his name).
indii__________________________________
don't mistake lack of talent for genius
Guest Vocal Proformance: The Bensonhoist Lesbian Choir
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:08:13 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Kenny Aronoff
Message-ID: <36E9BA7D.40B40A86@ucla.edu>
Wow, I guss this guy has been around. Shows what I know. So, why
did such and such company feel the need to advertise him as "Kenny
Aronoff of Smashing Pumpkins" when he only played on their tour, not on
an album, and played with so many other well known artists on albums?
Just cus this was his most recent gig?
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:10:00 -0500
From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Philosophy
Message-ID: <01101082822778@twave.net>
I think Lars' new minimalist drumming philosophy is based on the
fact that he smokes too much pot, drinks too much and generally has
degraded to the point of having a hard time keeping time.
-The Doc
I have a minimalist philosophy for my life for just about the same
reasons.
Does that make me a bad person?
indii and his sanguine addiction__________________
indii, much to his discontent, was force to respond to this measage.
Please note that the views and opinions represented herin are by no
means endorsed or supported by indii.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:17:11 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Opeth
Message-ID: <36E9BC97.5A4AEF46@ucla.edu>
I've only got two, which I have saved as "Creedence" and "Nectar"
(who knows if these are the actual song titles). Quite a big difference
on the vocals in these two songs, but then again I don't have the full
songs, only 2:30 samples or so. I just love the way "Creedence" starts
out, with spooky acoustic guitar reminescent of Alice In Chains. I
sometimes get sick of the "growling" the guy from In Flames does, but
for the most part, the rest of the band kicks so much ass I don't mind.
~~Amanda
leaning from prog metal girl to doom metal girl
(oh man am I loving Katatonia)
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:31:09 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Mike Portnoy and shit drumming... er oops...
Message-ID: <002c01be6cf1$2e1ca560$610d84d0@default>
>have had just as much feeling in it... as for a drummer playing
>good slow, I'd take MP :)
I will gladly second that. One song always comes to mind when I think of
such: "Lifting Shadows off a Dream." I can't imagine why. I had to change
my underwear after first hearing his cymbal routine on that one.
*spoooooge*
As far as Lars' shitty technique is concerned... I still respect Lars even
if he has regressed as a drummer. Just as I still respect Kurt Cobain even
if he was a shitty guitar player. I hate to say it, but if it weren't for
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" inspiring me to start learning guitar, I probably
wouldn't be on this list or where (not whore, dammit) I'm at as a musician
today (absolutely nowhere, but skilled).
Same with Lars. He was a huge inspiration to my friend Matt and was
responsible for him playing drums. Eddie Van Halen *gasp* was why I wanted
to learn keys. Jeff Ament was first (and Cliff Burton later) responsible
for my love of bass... heheheh. Just think back to when you started out as
musicians and who it was who got you started... You DO have them to thank,
whether you like 'em now or not. :)
-- KorgX3 NOW wants Sherry Lewis' corpse and a side of mutton.------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:06:49 -0500 (EST) From: William Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95L.990312210135.39928A-100000@login7.isis.unc.edu>
Has anyone else noticed that Dr. Mosh's sig seems to cause the rest of the jam to have lines through every character? It happens right after _< E >_ in his sig, only without the spaces. I didn't want to reproduce the problem in this jam. I have the jam forwared to AOL, so it might just be that email reader.
William Cary Hall wchall@email.unc.edu ICQ UIN #6956498
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:55:00 -0500 From: Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: various controlled substances... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990312215500.007d7d90@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
>> No one ever forces anyone else to do drugs. I didn't see anyone >> tying Jon Melvoin down and sticking a needle in his arm. Sorry, but as a > >With a little experience (not first-hand knowledge, luckily) myself, I can >say that may not always be the case. Responsible, yes, but not everybody >has the guts to resist those very persistent and influential persuaders, >who brainwash people into thinking that regular heroin trips is something > >So, in short, I beg to differ.
And I beg to differ with you. :)
Not having the guts to resist is NO kind of excuse. We have free will, and can only be brainwashed if we allow ourselves to be. Plus, if we encounter such people in our lives, we have a responsibility to ourselves to avoid contact with them. Thus the negative situation will be averted.
>DTC: Listening to Dream Theater while intoxicated is a worthless >experience.
I agree with you there, 100%. I just never understood the point of people getting drunk or stoned before/during a concert. I know all the potheads will say that the weed gives them the "clarity" to concentratemoree intently on the show. Personally, I'd rather have memories of what ACTUALLY happened than memories of what my drug-induced stupor allowed me to PERCEIVE as what happened. All those who like to smoke up before/during a concert can say what they want; their comments will only make me feel pity for their inability to find, in their own conciousnesses (is that a word?), aspects of the performance that I can find WITHOUT the "aid" of mind-altering chemicals.
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:12:42 EST From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4738 Message-ID: <a87d8e75.36e9d7aa@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/12/99 3:43:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< He has never been able to play true double bass like guys like Portnoy or Raymond Herrera or Virgil Donati... so he played fast with his hands... but not with his feet... >>
Umm have you listened to ONE from and just for all??
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:26:13 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4738 Message-ID: <199903130326.TAA19765@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., DrummerEsh@aol.com thus begged: > >In a message dated 3/12/99 3:43:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com >writes: > ><< He has never been able > to play true double bass like guys like Portnoy or Raymond Herrera or > Virgil Donati... so he played fast with his hands... but not with his > feet... >> > >Umm have you listened to ONE from and just for all??
Yeah sure... studio tracks, great, have you ever listened to him live?
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:43:37 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <36E9DEE8.42127A34@bigfoot.com>
>I'm not complaining in the least bit. It doesn't matter the price of >the ticket, or where they are. I live in New York and I went two and a half >hours away to the see them in Connecticut.
Me too, and I'll be driving about 2 hrs to get to New Britain, CT for JP's clinic on monday. The upside: 10 bucks a ticket! Can't wait for this thing.
Oh yeah: I think Metallica blah, because ah blah blah de blah blah progressive blah. Blah de blah blah post Black Album, de blah de blah de blah! Blah blah blah triple platinum, blah blah blah John Tesh. De blah. Blah diddy, blah videos diddy, blah Scooby Snacks diddy blah blah. Diddy bowm biggy bowm wiggidy diggidy blah. Doobity bo, bop, be, bop, blah, bop diddy bop ditty, shaved hair. Cuckoo! *boing* Cuckoo! *boing* Wahhhh! *sob* Wahhhhh! *sob* "Ice cream, get yer ice dream!"
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 02:20:30 -0600 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy and shit drumming... er oops... Message-ID: <36EA1FCE.6059@rollanet.org>
> >have had just as much feeling in it... as for a drummer playing > >good slow, I'd take MP :)
> I will gladly second that. One song always comes to mind when I think of > such: "Lifting Shadows off a Dream." I can't imagine why.
That's *exactly the song I was thinking of when I posted that =) MP, even on the slow stuff, makes you think, and as a drummer, I can say that that helps 250%... the guy is a freakshow on hi-hat accents ;)
Just think back to when you started out as > musicians and who it was who got you started... You DO have them to thank, > whether you like 'em now or not. :)
Like I said, And Justice For All is a *great* drum album, but, my first inspiration for becoming a drummer would be Tommy Lee... people can say what they want about him about this and that, but, still, after all I've listened to, that man *owns* the copyright for kickass grooves... he made Crue's simple songs scream, and the more off the ground ones retain stability... Of course, later on I discovered MP, but, believe it or not, I hold them both in equal reverance, and Lars coming in in 2nd perhaps... 3rd? any drummers that played on Malmsteen albums, he knows how to pick em ;) Just my opinion, mind you...
Tom Cox believes that the Zerg must all perish before the world moves on...
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:10:17 EST From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: (no subject), music Q's + very (extremely) minor DTC Message-ID: <a19052ec.36ea2b79@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-03-12 22:47:59 EST, you write:
> Oh yeah: I think Metallica blah, because ah blah blah de blah blah > progressive blah. Blah de blah blah post Black Album, de blah de blah de > blah! Blah blah blah triple platinum, blah blah blah John Tesh. De blah. > Blah diddy, blah videos diddy, blah Scooby Snacks diddy blah blah. Diddy > bowm biggy bowm wiggidy diggidy blah. Doobity bo, bop, be, bop, blah, > bop diddy bop ditty, shaved hair. Cuckoo! *boing* Cuckoo! *boing* > Wahhhh! *sob* Wahhhhh! *sob* "Ice cream, get yer ice dream!"
Yeah I know this is a 'waste of bandwidth' to repost this, but I had to. (The devil had nothing to do with it, he takes orders from me. ::GRIN::) Anyway Joshua, THAT KILLED ME! I read this at about 2:30am central time, and I read that and just died laughing and I am sure that my neighbors are all having nightmares about the wicked witch of the east laughing maniacally. Besides that, I think this post had about much content as any other post on the subjects aforementioned here in. (yes i just finished reading a long wordy mystery novel) It was KorgX3 and Dr Mosh in the study with the rope and candlestick who killed IceQD... Or did it happen this way...? Ok enough rambling on... perhaps not.
DTC: Dream Theater still rules. :} I wonder how different things will be without derek. i'm guessing (from previous posts) that they have much different styles...? yes no?
Music content: I was on irc with the other ytse-loonies the other night when esp(forgottherest) and Whofooldu were talking about music they thought was kewl.. One mentioned was Jason Becker, and a cd, perpetual burn(?) anyone else with some info on this dude and which cd (if there are more) to start out with? They also i believe mentioned Dragons Tears, either a cd or song by Marty Friedman(?) sorry if im wrong but this is oozing out of my tired gray cells in disjointed bits and pieces. I tried to write it down but of course, lost the paper :/ anyway, i'm always looking for more music (alas the curse of the audiophile, such is the life of an addict) well enough of me waxing poetic and messing things up cause i cant think of the proper terms. Please respond you opinionated zealots! :} share the nipples! (nods to eckie)
~Lisa doesn't think she's ever posted this much to the jam before
DragynLMC3@aol.com (DrgnChk on IRC) http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/index.html Go look, read my poems, see pictures of my evil self. Worry is a misuse of the imagination ~Audrey Woodhall
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:23:34 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Sorry, it's late... Let the hallucinations begin... Message-ID: <001b01be6d3b$9acbd420$760d84d0@default>
>mystery novel) It was KorgX3 and Dr Mosh in the study with the rope and >candlestick who killed IceQD... Or did it happen this way...?
Actually, Mosh tripped over IceQD anal raping me and broke his neck. He also knocked Ice's prosthetic abdomen off in the process. Me, caught in the middle of a love trist involving a tap-dancing caterpillar and a peg-legged plastic hermaphrodite. I'd cry for help if I wasn't enjoying it so much.
DT content? Jordan Rudess caught the whole thing on video. -- KorgX3 wants Chelsea Clinton and a garden weasel.
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:33:33 -0800 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Galactic Cowboys and Euro King's X tour? Message-ID: <3509981D.ABDF0A59@stones.com>
I heard that Galactic cowboys won't open for King's X on upcoming eurotour.. Can anyone confirm this?
Matej
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:20:30 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DT on HiFi on WWW's recommended recordings! Message-ID: <36EA580E.35CFDE04@isd.net>
I thought this was WAY cool. http://www.unik.no/~robert/hifi/rec/
Artist: DREAM THEATER Title: AWAKE Ref: eastwest records (warner)
Music: hard rock on a very high level played by perfect musicians, complex sound structures let you dive into the world of dream theater. beware, the beginning of the first song might blow you off your seat, so fasten your seatbelt.
recommended tracks: 9, 10, 11.
Sound: sound quality is quite good, it is a pleasure to listen to this recording.
Added by: Ralph Schertlen(ralph.schertlen@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) ]From ihehecht.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de on the 06. of Jun
NP: Steely Dan - AJA -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:10:20 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Sorry, it's late... Let the hallucinations begin... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990313120941.14671A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> Actually, Mosh tripped over IceQD anal raping me and broke his neck. He > also knocked Ice's prosthetic abdomen off in the process. Me, caught in the > middle of a love trist involving a tap-dancing caterpillar and a peg-legged > plastic hermaphrodite. I'd cry for help if I wasn't enjoying it so much.
Korg, I'm ashamed at you! You should know that the word is TRYST, not trist!
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ _Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the average man can see better than he can think. -------------------------------------------------
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