YTSEJAM Digest 4740
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4739
by CLIFFBUR10@aol.com
2) Lars' drumming
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
3) A perfect speller I am not.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
4) Type O Negative
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
5) Re: (no subject), music Q's + very (extremely) minor DTC
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4734
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
7) What was the 4-th LTE show?
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
8) GC & KX Eurotour...
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
9) More assorted schizz.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Lars Ulrich, Jason Becker, Marty Friedman
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
11) Superior Jap CD
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
12) re: ringo
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
13) It's never *my* fault (NDTC)
by MusicSnob@aol.com
14) Ytsejam Mouse Pointer
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
15) Jason Becker & Marty Friedman
by ANGELO LOMBARDI <angelo13@home.com>
16) Tony Levin sighting
by KyleTaraG@aol.com
17) Re: Friedman
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
18) Kenny Aronoff
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
19) LIVERANI GUITAR SOLO ALBUM featuring JOEY VERA from FW
by "Daniele L" <emptytremor@ra.nettuno.it>
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:26:25 EST
From: CLIFFBUR10@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4739
Message-ID: <ab1b7b7b.36ea9fc1@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/13/99 12:16:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< ate: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:12:42 EST
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4738
Message-ID: <a87d8e75.36e9d7aa@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/12/99 3:43:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< He has never been able
to play true double bass like guys like Portnoy or Raymond Herrera or
Virgil Donati... so he played fast with his hands... but not with his
feet... >>
Umm have you listened to ONE from and just for all?? >>
ONE FOMR AND JUSTICE FOR ALL IS NOT HARD TO PLAY ON THE DRUMS.!!!!
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:36:10 -0800 (PST)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Lars' drumming
Message-ID: <19990313173610.20239.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
You wrote
>
> << He has never been able
> to play true double bass like guys like Portnoy or Raymond Herrera or
> Virgil Donati... so he played fast with his hands... but not with his
> feet... >>
>
> Umm have you listened to ONE from and just for all??
But that is just 'ONE' song too. With 'ONE' main heavy riff. How
many other intricate riffs have you heard Lars do and pull them off
live for that matter. Its just that the other guys (Portnoy, Donati)
have so many other things they bring to the music when they play
double bass, not just mimicking what the guitarist/bassist is doing.
later all
Lets get it on, WOOOO!!!
==
John Parks
jpyyz@yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:37:04 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: A perfect speller I am not.
Message-ID: <001801be6d78$1d570d60$640d84d0@default>
>Korg, I'm ashamed at you! You should know that the word is TRYST, not
>trist!
When 900 years old you reach, spell so good you will not, hmmmm?
Hmmmm? *cough cough hack hack*
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:36:41 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Type O Negative Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809301@messaging>
For all you non-TON addicts out there, Johnny Kelly is the drummer's name (or Sal Abruscato if you're listening to Bloody Kisses). He at least CONTRIBUTES to the mood of the song, rather than just giving it a beat. Very tasteful SLOW drumming (and yes, I mean SLOW). Listen to "Haunted" off "October Rust" and tell me if you've ever heard a slower song. It makes "Red Water" on the same CD seem rushed.... :)
Oh, and if you didn't know - Peter Steele has a *little* thing with lesbians... The Bensonhoist Lesbian Choir guests on nearly every CD...
Oh, and don't forget "My Girlfriend's Girlfriend"..
<<<<< Don't forget Scott Columbus from Manowar or that guy from Type O'Negative (i always forget his name).
indii__________________________________ don't mistake lack of talent for genius
Guest Vocal Proformance: The Bensonhoist Lesbian Choir >>>>>
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:51:42 -0500 From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: (no subject), music Q's + very (extremely) minor DTC Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990313125142.03bddb60@popserver.panix.com>
On 01:30 3/13/99 -0800, you wrote:
> with? They also i believe mentioned Dragons Tears, either a cd or song by > Marty Friedman(?) sorry if im wrong but this is oozing out of my tired gray
"Dragon's Kiss" (it's the CD title). Yep, Marty Friedman. It's a very interesting CD, most of the later solo records he did veer toards new age.. BTW it's just Marty and Castronovo playing on it, actually, and the latter positively kills ass on it. Or maybe he kicks, I don't know.
--- Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:04:23 +0000 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4734 Message-ID: <36EA624E.39DF1BC3@mindspring.com>
REGARDING:
Greeting music lovers and critics, I have recently taken a great interest in the "groove." I really want to hear and transcribe some cool funk guitar stuff. I already have Infeccious Grooves, Ron Thal, The Headhunters, and I like the Cilly Peppers. I tried Tower of Power, and they seem way too disco. Any comments or recs? Thanks. Be well. Matt B
I would say, get your booty in gear and find:
MORDRED (Funk/Jazz/Threash metal) Scatterbrain Fishbone 24-7 Spyz Prince (of course) Urban Dance Squad Earth Wind and Fire (R & B/Funk) James Brown Parliament p-funk Brothers Johnson Rage Against the Machine (Rap Metal) ** Stuck Mojo (Rap Power metal) **
All of this is great gluteus maximus kcikin' shit, so prepare your mind and body to get funked up. Thats my beginning list.
- Scott 'groovology 101' M.
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:28:58 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: What was the 4-th LTE show? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990313212858.00922a70@messagebox.com>
Hey Jammaz!!!
Can you enlighten me as to where the 4th LTE show took place - I know of 3:
In NYC, the TLA and the NAMM show - I have all the three bootlegs, and now I am desperately hunting for the 4th one - want to have all those shows in my collection!!!
Please, if any of you has it - contact me immediately!!!
Hope to hear from you, ~Peter ========================================================== The maintainer of the YtseJamCD Project site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 ===========================================================
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:31:59 -0500 From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com> To: matej@stones.com, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: GC & KX Eurotour... Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990313133159.007a2690@mail.erinet.com>
GC will not be opening. Sorry...
Dan
+--- Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web ---+ dantemm@erinet.com http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - "My posture's kinda good from my knees to my feet" +--- Mourning Widows/Nuno: The Air that You Breathe ---+
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:57:58 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: More assorted schizz. Message-ID: <002401be6d83$6dd0dae0$640d84d0@default>
>Scatterbrain
LOL! I just laughed at my friend because he picked that up the other day. The cover looked all cheesy but he said they were good, so he popped them in the CD player and I was still like, "LOL, what the hell is this?" But it only took like 5 minutes and I wanted to rape it from him. I dunno how to explain them... Sort of like an Extreme Faith No More/Cheddar cheese melt with bacon. The singer doesn't really sing, he more or less raps over the music, but it's kind of like singing. (sort of like FNM) hehehe. The music was damn good, though. There was one track on it where they played a classical piece (Beethoven, I think) a la Savatage. Damn good "fun" shit to listen to. :)
>For all you non-TON addicts out there, Johnny Kelly is the drummer's name
Now that you mention it, I'd taken notice of that before. hehehe It's true. :) He uses eccentric beats in slow songs. I really dig his style.
"Things that make you go... hmmm?" -- KorgX3 wants Mr. Bill and the Pillsbury Dough Boy.
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:59:22 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Lars Ulrich, Jason Becker, Marty Friedman Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990313135922.007b16d0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Y'know, I'm getting just a bit fed up with the people who automatically dismiss other folks' opinions just because their own differ. I.e., below:
>>Umm have you listened to ONE from and just for all?? > >Yeah sure... studio tracks, great, have you ever listened to him live? >-The Doc
Half a dozen times, and he always put on a great show, including fast double-bass work. It's a fucking OPINION, Doc, just like your own. You don't have a mainline on the truth any more than anyone else does. Get over yourself.
>Music content: I was on irc with the other ytse-loonies the other night when >esp(forgottherest) and Whofooldu were talking about music they thought was >kewl.. One mentioned was Jason Becker, and a cd, perpetual burn(?) anyone else >with some info on this dude and which cd (if there are more) to start out >with?
Trying to jump in before Madsman does on this one. Becker, basically, was one of the rising stars in the guitar world before he developed ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease. Nowadays he has trouble even feeding himself, to say nothing of playing guitar. Still, he's released another album of truly outstanding music, called "Perspective", which features some tracks he recorded before he was too ill to play, and some music he wrote and then had friends play for the disc. It is a triumph both musically and emotionally.
Becker also was in Cacophony with Marty Friedman (now in Megadeth). They released two albums of speed-metal-shred, "Speed Metal Symphony" and "Go Off!". Terrifyingly intricate music with, unfortunately, equally terrifyingly bad vocals. After that one Jason released "Perpetual Burn", a solo disc with some excellent neoclassical work and great playing. Jason also played on David Lee Roth's "A Little Ain't Enough" album and toured with DLR very briefly before his illness made him unable to continue.
For the story on what Jason's up to these days, visit his website at http://www.intres.com/jasonbecker/
>They also i believe mentioned Dragons Tears, either a cd or song by >Marty Friedman(?)
Friedman used to be a solo artist and is a good friend of Jason Becker. After they broke Cacophony up, Marty released a solo disc "Dragon's Kiss" around the same time Jason released "Perpetual Burn". "Dragon's Kiss" is speed metal and shred all the way. In 1992, despite being in Megadeth now, Marty did an abrupt about-face and released a new age CD "Scenes". Little shred here, mostly Japanese new age-feel music (Kitaro helped produce the CD). His next two solo releases, "Introduction" and "True Obsessions", are a similar style of music. Evidently Marty likes a much different style of music when he's playing on his own time and not in Megadeth. :)
ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter Check out the Glass Hammer website at http://www.glasshammer.com/ "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:55:44 -0500 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Superior Jap CD Message-ID: <C75EB672C5CCD211A88300104B6A9EF0036C83@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> Was checking out cdnow and saw they have Superior >> "Unique" for sale... Figures they can't even spell the >> album name correctly... >> >> It's also $32 but includes the bonus track...
Well, this has to be the Japanese version of the CD. First, you get two extra songs and not one !! One is a short studio cut which is straight-forward but pretty decent (ever hear it live Cashman ?? hehehehe). The other is an acoustic version of "Why" that is really cool. They did a completely different arrangement of the song with sounds that one would have not thought possible to be associated with the song but it works for me. And, it has Andre Matos of Angra adding some supporting vocals.
It has to be out there for cheaper than $32 though !!
Mark Metzger mmetzger@comversens.com
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:05:56 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: ringo Message-ID: <19990313200556.21837.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Hi all, just thought I'd comment here: >Ringo was a shit drummer too, but at least he didn't have an ego >problem, as far as I am aware.
umm.. funny how people have that perseption.. if you look at old beatles' album notes you'll notice that the songs are all spliced up like "first verse 9th take on day 3, 2nd verse 5 take on day one, etc".. and you'd never know listening to it and taking into consideration the fact that they didn't have click tracks and the technology we do, you can say anything you want about ringo, but i don't know too many drummers who can go into a studio day after day and keep the EXACT tempo they did the day before..
yeah.. .ringo gets too much shit from everyone... my 2 cents..
inferno NP: frank zappa - we're only in it for the money
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:07:37 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: It's never *my* fault (NDTC) Message-ID: <8e22e626.36eac589@aol.com>
Raitz write about addiction:
>And for all it's worth, I lay most of the >blame on those two bigmouthed hippies who turned him to hard drugs. >So, in short, I beg to differ.
I hate to fly off the handle like this, but that is simply ridiculous. To blame someone else for a decision an adult makes of his own free will is ridiculous, and it stinks of this "blameless society" crap that must be reaching Estonia, too. I thought it was just the U.S. that was a society of victims without any sense of personal responsibility. This is like focusing on supply instead of demand in the national drug "war." Oops. Do drugs at your own risk.
NP: Iron Savior - Iron Savior
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:13:48 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net (Ytse Love-In) Subject: Ytsejam Mouse Pointer Message-ID: <199903132013.PAA27700@optical.mindstorm.com>
Folks: Is the person who made the Majesty-symbol X window mouse pointer still around? I installed linux on a (essentially) new system, and I no longer have that pointer. Anyone that has a copy, or knows where I can get it, will be most appreciated if they can tell me. Thanks. -d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:16:39 -0500 From: ANGELO LOMBARDI <angelo13@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Jason Becker & Marty Friedman Message-ID: <36EAC7A7.2391CFCF@home.com>
> One mentioned was Jason Becker, and a cd, perpetual burn(?) anyone > else with some info on this dude and which cd (if there are more) to > start out with? They also i believe mentioned Dragons Tears, either a > cd or song by Marty Friedman(?)...
Jason Becker... now that's a name I have heard ANYONE mention in a LONG time. Amazing guitarist! "Perpetual Burn" is Jason Becker's 1st (and only???) solo album. Marty Friedman plays on a few solos on it. JB & MF had a band together called Cacophony. MF has about 4 solo CDs, they ALL are GREAT. His 2nd & 3rd are mellow, relaxing, kinda "new age-ish". ALL CDs are available through Shrapnel Records.
LAst time I heard JB was that he had ALS & was dying :( But, also, he was writing new music w/ hired musicians. Not sure what happened with that. If anyone knows, please contact me - thanx.
Angelo
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:17:59 EST From: KyleTaraG@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Tony Levin sighting Message-ID: <242bd5fe.36ead607@aol.com>
I just got back from the NARM convention in Las Vegas where I saw Seal perform. He had a great band and although I don't know who was on guitar, Mr. Tony Levin was holding down the grooves. It was a great show and I got a chance to chat with Tony afterwards. We talked a bit about the LTE shows and he asked if I was wearing earplugs at the L.A. show (he said it was "one of the loudest shows I've ever played"). We also talked about the upcoming LTE2 and he confirmed that this would pretty much have to be it since Jordan is now in DT. Well, we can always hope for some more live shows down the line... -Kyle
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:14:50 -0500 From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Friedman Message-ID: <01150009368111@twave.net>
Lisa forgot to say: They also i believe mentioned Dragons Tears, either a cd or song by Marty Friedman(?) sorry if im wrong but this is oozing out of my tired gray cells in disjointed bits and pieces.
Marty has about 4 solo albums out. I have purchases all 4 in the past but sold the first one and the last one., Dragon Kiss, and True Obsesion. I sold these two cause they reminded me of what Via did after S&R, i like the guitar instrumentals, but didn't like the singing. I do still own the middle two MF: Scenes, & MF: Introduction. These two are very slow giutar groovy (hard to describe). Kind of like Via's Sex and Religion on downers. Don't get me wrong there is some goo fast playing in there, but it's not anything like his stuff with Megadeth. VERY GOOD cd's! Play them as background music when reading or cruising the web. There are lots of bells, rain sounds and other good stuff. YOU WILL NOT BE SORRY! i'd classify this as progrock, but thats just my opinion. These two are completely instrumental, no singing but there are some voices talking in the background on some songs. His riffs sound like some real good blues running through Via's huge midi stack.
I know you'll love them, indii(still looking for some Spock's Beard and Ocean Machine MP3s!)
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:20:33 +0700 From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Kenny Aronoff Message-ID: <36EB1CF1.67CE5137@pacific.net.ph>
> So, why > did such and such company feel the need to advertise him as "Kenny > Aronoff of Smashing Pumpkins" when he only played on their tour, not on > an album, and played with so many other well known artists on albums? > Just cus this was his most recent gig?
Actually, yeah...that's why, I think. Companies do that kind of thing with people who work with solo musicians who don't really have an "official" band or a band that is subject to change whenever the solo artist feels like it. Like say, advertisements that look like this: Jennifer Batten (Michael Jackson); Darryl Jones (Sting) or most recently Darryl Jones (Rolling Stones) or before that Darryl Jones (Madonna).
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:13:23 +0100 From: "Daniele L" <emptytremor@ra.nettuno.it> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LIVERANI GUITAR SOLO ALBUM featuring JOEY VERA from FW Message-ID: <01bade8b$df9033e0$cc30cfc1@default>
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