YTSEJAM Digest 4741
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4740
by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Scatterbrain....a brief history
by Ibanez506@aol.com
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4740
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
4) Marty Friedman and Jason Becker
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Dragon's Kiss & Double Bass
by "xxx" <hipodilski@usa.net>
6) jens johansson?
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
7) jason becker
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
8) Will the REAL Jens Johansson please kill Lars?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
9) Re: Lars Ulrich, Jason Becker, Marty Friedman
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Re: jens johansson?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Ringo's EGO!
by "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net>
12) Majesty mouse
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) Re: Opeth
by rbrito@iname.com
14) Re: Ringo's EGO!
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
15) Johnny Kelly
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
16) IMHO
by Adrian79@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:55:17 PST
From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4740
Message-ID: <19990314035517.5282.qmail@hotmail.com>
Y'know, I'm getting just a bit fed up with the people who automatically
>dismiss other folks' opinions just because their own differ. I.e.,
below:
>
>>>Umm have you listened to ONE from and just for all??
>>
>>Yeah sure... studio tracks, great, have you ever listened to him live?
>>-The Doc
>
>Half a dozen times, and he always put on a great show, including fast
>double-bass work. It's a fucking OPINION, Doc, just like your own. You
>don't have a mainline on the truth any more than anyone else does. Get
over
>yourself.
I may be able to entertain the idea that aesthetic quality is
subjective in an important sense (though I still don't like it), but
this sort of relativism just pissses me off. Who has superior manual
dexterity has nothing to do with your goddamm opinion, and I don't see
anything wrong about somebody having more of a "mainline on the truth."
I guess you just can't stand those deluded physicists who think they
have some sort of "mainline" on the truth about quantum mechanics.
Just trying to correct the misguided youth of america,
Jason
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:27:49 EST
From: Ibanez506@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Scatterbrain....a brief history
Message-ID: <aa842f1e.36eb3ac5@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/13/99 7:43:04 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< >Scatterbrain
The music
was damn good, though. There was one track on it where they played a
classical piece (Beethoven, I think) a la Savatage. Damn good "fun" shit to
listen to. :)
>>
Good Evening,
I was really suprised to see Scatterbrain was mentioned here.
Scatterbrain started out as Ludichrist and with some member changes became
Scatterbrain. One of these former members is now the drummer in The Magic Elf
(a very kick ass insturmental band).
There were two classical pieces they covered. Sonata #5 and Sonata #11 both
by Mozart, they are the coolest versions of classical music I've ever heard.
(No disrepect to Savatage) Korgy was accurate with his discription of the
music but I would add the songs are kinda campy and pretty much a novelty.
How could you take it seriously with songs like "Grandma's House of Babes",
"Swiss Army Girl", and the classic "Mr. Johnson and the Juice Crew" However,
the musicians do have serious chops. All in all fun music that you don't
really have to think about.
later,
Juli
"We're all fucked, it helps to remember that." - George Carlin
Yes I'm on a Carlin kick. So many quotes so little time!
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:47:49 -0500
From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4740
Message-ID: <04480665676364@twave.net>
> Becker also was in Cacophony with Marty Friedman (now in Megadeth). They
> released two albums of speed-metal-shred, "Speed Metal Symphony" and "Go
> Off!". Terrifyingly intricate music with, unfortunately, equally
> terrifyingly bad vocals.
C'mon....i love listening to those CD's for thier vocal
prowess.....(sarcasm included) but i do like the guitars. Talk
about some speed metal....nothing like the Ninja to get me in a mood
not to even think about picking up a guitar.
But, speaking of which, the band Alcatraz had Steve Vai and IIRC,
Yngwie Malmstein....is this correct. I have one of the tapes, with
Desert Diamond and Stripper. Who was the other guitarist on it. Was
it Malmstein or someone else....and which ones where Malmstein and
Vai both on?
Now that i'm on the subject of Vai, i'm gonna ask about Bad 4 Good.
What are those little boys doing now, especially McLaughflin (IIRC,
the guitar genuis kid). I was listening to thier tape the other
day, and asked myself what the fuck are they doing now. Anyone know.
indii wishes it would hurry up and FUCKING SNOW!
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:45:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Marty Friedman and Jason Becker
Message-ID: <199903140645.AAA01049@adam.enteract.com>
Everything said about Becker and Friedman has basically been about the
same thing I'd say, except that I have to nit pick about what Jens said
about Dragon's Kiss... the best thing about that album is something
contributed by neither Marty or Deen (I really consider both Friedman
and Becker's solo albums heavily collaborative efforts. They both make
significant appearances on each other's cd)... it's (and this is of
course, all IMO) the Becker solos on Jewel and Saturation Point. That
album is huge (though just try and fathom what it'd be like had they
better production.... we'd never recover from the sounds!) and IMO
extremely important to understanding a lot of the newer shredders out
there (especially the European scene). Friedman is massively Uli Jon Roth
influenced, and MANY of today's greatest shredders (in the true shred
"metal" sense) are hugely influenced by Friedman. Or Cacophony... however
you want to look at it. In any case, that album has a dark meaning to me,
as I listened to it on repeat while reading H.P. Lovecraft's "The Case of
Charles Dexter Ward" at age 13 when I first got it. Even the parts that
sound like they should be uplifting seem evil to me as a result. ;)
Becker and Friedman are the reason I decided to be a musician. They're a
whole world of influence to me.
--
Chris Ptacek - someone@prognosis.com
"Everything that can be invented has
been invented." -- Charles H. Duell,
Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:49:52 +0200
From: "xxx" <hipodilski@usa.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Dragon's Kiss & Double Bass
Message-ID: <01be6de6$dca418c0$1608e6c3@poebko>
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Dragon's Kiss. THIS is real double bass, not Ulrich's shitty thing.=20
BTW I'm another person, who began playing drums after 12412 istens of =
AJFA... And now I'm very anti-Lars.
The irony....
Victor
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:13:50 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: jens johansson?
Message-ID: <19990314081351.19945.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:51:42 -0500
>From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
>To: ytsejam@axnet.net
>
>Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
umm.. this isn't THE jens johansson it?.. this is a jens johansson
admirer who decided to use the guys name right?..
i'm clearifing is all :)
inferno
NP: jeff beck - wired
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:24:09 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: jason becker
Message-ID: <19990314082410.14809.qmail@hotmail.com>
>LAst time I heard JB was that he had ALS & was dying :(
>But, also, he was writing new music w/ hired musicians.
>Not sure what happened with that. If anyone knows, please
>contact me - thanx.
>
>Angelo
yeah pretty lame... came down with it right after scorring the David Lee
Roth gig which at the time was like the mecca of all gigs to have as a
guitarist.. there are definately better guitarists out there but not too
many who were 17 when they played like that.. would have been awesome to
see where he would be at now.. one of the greats for sure..
his last project was "perspectives" that he released in 96.. it was all
done digitally (mac software) with a few lead tracks done by friends of
his such as friedman.. the album's really fuckin cool.. i love it..
i pray ASL doesn't take him away from us any time soon.. i'm looking
forward to hearing some more good music from him..
inferno
NP: cacophony - speed metal symphony
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:15:38 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Will the REAL Jens Johansson please kill Lars?
Message-ID: <002001be6dfb$3bc46c60$5b0d84d0@default>
>umm.. this isn't THE jens johansson it?.. this is a jens johansson
>admirer who decided to use the guys name right?..
ROFL. That's not the REAL Jens. It's his other pesonality, Jens. This
Jens want to string the other Jens up with harpsichord wire but they never
seem to meet each other.
So when Jens posts, you usually know it's Jens, although when this Jens
posts, it's not the real Jens... see?
BTW, question for Jens... Who the hell is Leif Johansson? Any relation?
He was the keyboardist for 21 Guns and I thought there might be a connection
or something. I've been meaning to ask for a long time but kept
forgetting... hehehe.
Another question... I made a big mistake of listening to some Nightwish:
Oceanborn MP3's and now I'm hooked and there's no supplier. Is there any
domestic place that sells them? Can that Spinalrectum (whatever it's
called) Records be trusted if I send them $20 cash? (eep). Just curious.
I have to get this album...
-- KorgX3 mochte (I can't umlaut dammit!) Tarje mit sauerbratten.------------------------------
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:02:30 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Lars Ulrich, Jason Becker, Marty Friedman Message-ID: <199903141202.EAA29919@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Phil Carter thus begged: > >Greetings ye 'jamanoids.... > >Y'know, I'm getting just a bit fed up with the people who automatically >dismiss other folks' opinions just because their own differ. I.e., below: > >>>Umm have you listened to ONE from and just for all?? >> >>Yeah sure... studio tracks, great, have you ever listened to him live? >>-The Doc > >Half a dozen times, and he always put on a great show, including fast >double-bass work. It's a fucking OPINION, Doc, just like your own. You >don't have a mainline on the truth any more than anyone else does. Get over >yourself.
EHHHHHHHHHH BZZZZZZZZZZ WRONG AGAIN... your assessment of his playing live is an OPINION, YOU need get over yourself, and his playing SUCKS BALLS live... That is a fact, not an opinion... In fact, I wouldn't call any of his double-bass work "fast", in fact, all the times he's played live, it's been sloppier than a 2 dollar whore on Saturday night... Measure it with a metronome... that's a fact.. it's not conjecture.
Learn what drumming is about before you run off at the mouth, like all the other Lars supporters.
-The Doc
-- *#&*@#@*(#@#*@(#!@*#(!@#(&!#(@!*#@((#@$(#@(($@#($(#@$@#($@#(*$@(*$*(#(#(##(#(# computersarefasterthanhumans - devastatetoinnovate - hyperspacialparallelcomp\ drkhoe@gmsnet.com = http://progmetal.gmsnet.com = internetcyberwetwaregamedev+ s*o#o$n@@c*o!m^e)s@@t>h<e@@|d~i+g-i%t%a.l@@<M><E><S><S><I><A><H> gaMECoReTeKN0
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:04:33 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: jens johansson? Message-ID: <199903141204.EAA29939@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Isaac Trumbo" thus begged: > >>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:51:42 -0500 >>From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> >>To: ytsejam@axnet.net >> >>Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/) > >umm.. this isn't THE jens johansson it?.. this is a jens johansson >admirer who decided to use the guys name right?.. >i'm clearifing is all :) > >inferno >NP: jeff beck - wired > > > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
No, it's actually an automaton of Jens' creation, he's been known to do stuff like replicate himself, how do you think he plays those fast riffs on all those Strato albums?? He's got 2 or 3 of himself... :)
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:34:18 -0500 From: "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Ringo's EGO! Message-ID: <000701be6ee8$9b805720$5324bacc@jon-s-tube>
>Hi all, just thought I'd comment here: >Ringo was a shit drummer too, but at least he didn't have an ego >problem, as far as I am aware. > >Just my 2 ECUs >--- >Antony
I remember reading a quote from Ringo where he said: "I was and still am the greatest rock drummer of all time." So I def think he had an ego prob. Question: Is it still an ego when there is no justification?
Jon Rudess (well... it's not actually Rudess, but I'm looking into changing my name legally, THE MAN IS GOD!!) he he
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:42:25 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Majesty mouse Message-ID: <36EBBCC1.2422F3E1@isd.net>
The Digital Man wrote: >Is the person who made the Majesty-symbol X window mouse pointer still >around? I installed linux on a (essentially) new system, and I no >longer have that pointer. Anyone that has a copy, or knows where I >can get it, will be most appreciated if they can tell me.
If the magical mystery majesty mouse is located, PLEASE post a link on the Jam! That would kick much ass.
Finally, the name "Intellimouse" has some foundation.
NP: Randy Newman - Little Criminals -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:58:23 -0300 From: rbrito@iname.com To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Cc: rbrito-nectar@ime.usp.br Subject: Re: Opeth Message-ID: <19990314095823.B645@iname.com>
On Mar 12 1999, Amanda Rosenblum wrote: > > I've only got two, which I have saved as "Creedence" and "Nectar" > (who knows if these are the actual song titles). Quite a big difference
Yes, they are.
> on the vocals in these two songs, but then again I don't have the full > songs, only 2:30 samples or so. I just love the way "Creedence" starts > out, with spooky acoustic guitar reminescent of Alice In Chains. I > sometimes get sick of the "growling" the guy from In Flames does, but > for the most part, the rest of the band kicks so much ass I don't mind.
I started listening to Opeth because they have some of the most beautiful acoustic passages that I have/had ever heard and the acoustic passages are some of the most important parts of their songs (not to mention that I'm listening to less and less heavy metal these days -- so, I basically listen to Opeth and some easy-listening stuff nowadays).
BTW, I don't have any problems with growls (in fact, sometimes I don't even remember some bands I like have such vocals until I show the songs to some friends and they say "oh, there are those damn vocals again"), but the growler in Opeth is the main songwriter. :-)
And as far as the band "kicking ass", I agree completely. :-)
> ~~Amanda > leaning from prog metal girl to doom metal girl > (oh man am I loving Katatonia)
Well, Opeth's vocalist also did some vocals on Katatonia's "Brave Murder Day" album and "Songs of Decay" EP.
[]s, Roger...
DTC: I haven't listened to DT in ages.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:32:37 -0500 From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Ringo's EGO! Message-ID: <36EBF2B4.42F43A21@softhome.net>
> I remember reading a quote from Ringo where he said: > "I was and still am the greatest rock drummer of all time." > So I def think he had an ego prob. > Question: Is it still an ego when there is no justification?
Well, that really depends on whether you think being the greatest rock drummer of all time is any great compliment. Note that rock, especially when preceded by the suffix "and roll", is not a terribly rhythmically complex artform in and of itself. Most of it's in 4/4 time, a time sig that's fairly beat into people in the "Western" world and thus is quite easy to play in, and the beats used in rock are usually simple. duh duh DUH duh or DUH duh duh duh. So virtually anyone who can do that kind of keeping time consistently can call themselves the greatest rock drummer, when you're talking strictly rock. When you mix other forms of music in there, you're likely going to come up with something more rhythmically complex, and hence prog, fusion, and virtually any other genre where rock is mixed with other musics.
As for your question, it is still ego if there is no justification, it's just not with the ego operating on the reality principle as it should. The ego is just the function of the mind that balances the id (desires and drives) and ego (propriety) and creates the self-concept.
-- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:18:55 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Johnny Kelly Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809307@messaging>
Hey all:
You know, it's kinda funny how Johnny Kelly came to be a member of Type O Negative. He was Sal Abruscato's (previous drummer, who quit to join Life of Agony) drum tech, and the reason TON chose him is because, A) they knew him, and B) he had the right image (dark, crazy, weird). They didn't even really audition him or anyone else, but he fits WAY better than Sal ever did (IMHO, of course). Other people like Sal better (and yes, he was TECHNICALLY a better drummer, but TON doesn't need a technically kick-ass drummer)....
BTW, anyone heard any news of when the new Type O disc will be released? It was originally supposed to be on September 21st, 1998 (the first day of autumn), then it was gonna be December 21st, 1998 (the first day of winter) - they're just like that. It's been postponed 1523 time, and I'm sick of it! :)
David
<<<<< >For all you non-TON addicts out there, Johnny Kelly is the drummer's name
Now that you mention it, I'd taken notice of that before. hehehe It's true. :) He uses eccentric beats in slow songs. I really dig his style. >>>>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:21:54 EST From: Adrian79@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: IMHO Message-ID: <e1d7ca83.36ec2872@aol.com>
hi all you ytsejammers. This is my first post to the mailinglist (and hopefully not the last). Concerning: "I hate to say it, but if it weren't for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" inspiring me to start learning guitar, I probably wouldn't be on this list or where (not whore, dammit) I'm at as a musician today (absolutely nowhere, but skilled).[..]Just think back to when you started out as musicians and who it was who got you started... You DO have them to thank, whether you like 'em now or not. :)"
I guess nearly any musician who is now in his early twenties started out with Nirvana, Metallica und such stuff. As you say it's not difficult, I don't think it's good stuff at present but I have to be thankful that they brought me on the path to DT.
To all this MetallicA stuff: I think it's shit! I don't listen to it, nor do I play any of their songs anymore. And their new stuff is the shittiest I've ever heard. Of course this is only my opinion and is worth less than the keyboard I wrote it with.
Concerning: "DTC: Dream Theater still rules. :} I wonder how different things will be without derek. i'm guessing (from previous posts) that they have much different styles...? yes no?"
I guess that everything will take a different turn. About derek I have quite different opinions. On the one hand, I thank him for the great ass-kicking work on FII and Platypus. Yet on the other hand I've seen him be really bad. As far as I perceive it DT hardly ever makes mistakes live (except for one show where MP made a mistake during PMU which threw all the others off-track). One show I saw on TV from the Monsters Of Rock in Bra. derek made 5-10 serious mistakes on UAGM. He also always had a lots of problems with LTL, which shows that he might be a good studio player but that his technique is not so good (OIAL showes me that he's not so terrible after all). Additionally to this he is a very different personality compared to the others (especially myung,labrie). Jordan was the best replacement possible. I just got blown away when I put in LTE and listened to Paradigm Shift. He surely will have a huge progressive impact on the new DT disc. And I think that he is probably the most talented keyboardist around in prog rock/metal. Looking forward like hell to the new DT disc.
First Question: By the way if the rules of this list forbid talking about Metallica being sold out why do so many people talk about it? Can someone explain that to me?
Second Question: Who is Shannon Hoon in JLMB?
Progging into Infinity
Adrian
"Ora che ho perso la vista, ci vedo di piu"
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