YTSEJAM Digest 4747
Today's Topics:
1) Re: hoon
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
2) Re: Andre out of Angra
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) VIA?
by JKorby1973@aol.com
4) Re: hoon
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
5) Re: Revival
by AyameYuki@aol.com
6) JP Guitar Clinic
by ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
7) Petrucci Clinic in North Wales
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
8) chris's time sig extravaganza
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
9) how I love to argue w/brian
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
10) Cliff's the bastard imposter
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
11) Re: Petrucci Clinic in North Wales
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
12) Re: how I love to argue w/brian
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
13) In defense of Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
14) shannon h.
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
15) NO DTC???F!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
by "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net>
16) Metallica
by "Kenn Jensen" <kenn@email.dk>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:38:42 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: hoon
Message-ID: <006501be6f4d$c4f04c40$660d84d0@default>
>The Book of Ytse
>Chapter 3, Verse 8
The Book of Ytse, The New Testament
Chapter 12, Verse 6
Wheresoforth, in his omnipotence, the Lord looketh down upon the
predecessive author of the Old Testament of the Book of Ytse, and sayeth
unto he, "O Isaac. Whither didst thou scribeth falsely unto the Book of
Ytse? Look hence, and shalt thou pulleth thine head from thy ass and taketh
note that Hoon nay didst speaketh ill unto the blessed quartet, but yet twas
his colleagues? For in thy shame thou shalt seek thy recompense, lest ye
drowneth in the turgid waters of the main stream."
So it shall be written, so it shall be done!
-- KorgX3, revered Son of the Ytse.------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:24:14 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Andre out of Angra Message-ID: <006401be6f4d$c4487380$660d84d0@default>
>> There is a rumor that Andre Matos is going to leave Angra for
Actually, this is quite true! I don't want to tell but I've been keeping in good touch with Andre over email of late. Here's a forward of his last message he sent me...
>-----Original Message----- >From: Andre Matos <viper23@aol.br> >To: Korgito Suave <korgx3@safelink.net> >Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:12 AM >Subject: Check this shit out! > >Hola, Korgster! Guess what? Brasil just fucking ran out of cows, man! >Fodas. I'm out of this shithole. No fucking cows and my leather pants are >gonna be expensive as hell! I can't sing high without my nads pinched >backwards! Shit, man... I hear Germany's got alot of cows. I just tried >out for some Gamma Ray band. They suck, but with me I could turn them >around. Hey, man, I got to go. Tico Torres is taking me over to Rio. I'm >getting my hair pulled up into dreads, man. Cool, huh? > >By the way, thanks for the condoms, man. Those damn things cost more than >herpies treatments here. Not worth it. Shiiiit... > >Adios Amigo! >-- >Viper
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:56:57 EST From: JKorby1973@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: VIA? Message-ID: <32e668de.36edba69@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-03-13 20:43:04 EST, you write:
<< Marty has about 4 solo albums out. I have purchases all 4 in the past but sold the first one and the last one., Dragon Kiss, and True Obsesion. I sold these two cause they reminded me of what Via did after S&R, i like the guitar instrumentals, but didn't like the singing. I do still own the middle two MF: Scenes, & MF: Introduction. These two are very slow giutar groovy (hard to describe). Kind of like Via's Sex and Religion on downers.... >> << .....His riffs sound like some real good blues running through Via's huge midi stack. >> WHO THE FUCK IS THIS VIA DUDE? IS HE ANY GOOD? IS HIS LAST NAME SATELLITE? (tee hee hee) ;-) Sorry, I'm bored - JK
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:31:35 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: hoon Message-ID: <000e01be6f55$1e12bb80$660d84d0@default>
>note that Hoon nay didst speaketh ill unto the blessed quartet, but yet
hehe. I meant quintet, as I know someone will rip my ass for that, and my overusage of the 'eth verb endings. Lighten up, it's a satire. :D -- KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:29:38 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Revival Message-ID: <10cf6d9a.36edd022@aol.com>
thanks chris! the allman brothers. that's practically all my band plays..besides "wishful thinkin hon" about DT music. my band will totally be in shock when they hear the entire bassline to 6:00 ( which took like an hour to learn. thanks to that nifty "repeat" button ) , and the entire bassline to revival. that's my whole audition. and this STUPID paragraph about why i want to audition. a bit strange. about 10 people are trying out. ( mostly girls. but my guy friends are "decent" . lol )
one satisfied bassist () female ()
nic
PS : Danelectro forever!!!!
Danowoman,Fender &Fender Inc.
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: JP Guitar Clinic Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.96.990315224659.223898B-100000@ic3.ithaca.edu>
Greetings fellow DT fans,
I just got in the door from my first JP guitar clinic. In case anyone cares, he played the following songs:
Paradigm Shift Biaxident Another Dimension State of Grace Universal Mind
He was playing the new JPM-100 Ibanez. IMHO, it's the nicest looking and sounding guitar from the whole JPM series. He went thrugh alll his practicing techniques, answered MANY questions, and there was an autographed Ibanez actioned off as well. And then when I was walking out the door, there was some dude selling ytsejam t-shirts. It was a great night, and it was totally worth extending my spring break 2 extra days!
~Chris
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:07:39 -0500 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Petrucci Clinic in North Wales Message-ID: <36EDE71A.429A7B92@enter.net>
Is anyone on the jam going to the Petrucci Clinic on 3/24 in North Wales, PA?
Do you need tix?
Cost?
Where the hell is George's Music at?
Hope one of you Philly jammers (Syrinx) can help.
Later,
Bruce Duesterhoeft
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:25:57 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: chris's time sig extravaganza Message-ID: <36EDF974.DC2E5283@bigfoot.com>
>musical training. Don't believe me? Count from one to seven evenly, and >when you get to seven, begin again back on one. Congratulations... 7/8, or >7/4, or 7/16 or whatever you, as the maestro composer elite, want to call >it.
Mr. Geetar, you forgot to tell the kids to say "sev" in their heads, not "seven", or else it'll be a little TOO easy, because they'll be in 4/4. :-)
Hey, I learned a cool time sig trick anyone can play - if you're having trouble counting in x/5, try saying "hippopotamous" to the beat. you could probably use it for x/10 or x/15; i know when i'm trying to count to the beginning of LtL, it's hard to say 11, 12, 13, 14, and 15(and of course seven)...I end up saying lev-twelve-thir-fuh-fuh....
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:43:06 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: how I love to argue w/brian Message-ID: <36EDFD7A.63B91D79@bigfoot.com>
>Thirdly, to rip his comments about Dream Theater is >your prerogative. But to imply that his death is no great loss because he didn't >like your kind of music is really ridiculous.
Blind Melon and their stupid comment epitomized the ignorance that people have about metal. If Hoon had been the one to make the comment, then obviously no one deserves to die for that, but it was ignorant and I don't think a lot of people here mourned his death, especially since it was self-induced.
Which is what I believe Mike is saying in the song, btw; that the pressure on an artist could sometimes drive him to self-destruction.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:07:22 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Cliff's the bastard imposter Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809316@messaging>
Hey - I figured it out...
Cliff didn't die, Lars did, as Mosh just pointed out. He was murdered by Jamez. See, Cliff, being a trained bassist, not drummer, is masquerading as Lars now (he had his legs chopped off mid-calf to compensate for the height difference), and is a shitty drummer (of course AJFA had already been recorded, thus explaining the tight album drumming and sloppy live drumming). Lars was getting too good for Metallica so they HAD to kill him... ;)
Also, Les Claypool was too good for Metallica - and too weird, though still alive (but I still want to see Metallica cover the Beaver song by Primus), which is why he didn't get Newsted's job - that's a different story - but Newsted's a Phoenix metalhead so it's OK that he ain't as good as Les (not that he would've fit anyway)... :)
<<<<<<< Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., David Dixon thus begged: > >Anyone else catch the irony in this statement??? :) > ><<<<< >Yeah....Kill em all!!!! Especially that fuck Lars. > >-mojoman >>>>>>
Har har har... are we sure that it was Cliff Burton who died? ;) >>>>>>>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 02:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> Subject: Re: Petrucci Clinic in North Wales Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9903160220150.7810-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> Is anyone on the jam going to the Petrucci Clinic on 3/24 in North > Wales, PA?
I'll probably go. A JP clinic is always a fun time had by all.
> Do you need tix? > > Cost?
This I will find out. I'll call George's Music tomorrow.
> Where the hell is George's Music at?
See above,
> Hope one of you Philly jammers (Syrinx) can help.
As soon as I get the info, I'll post it to the jam.
- m.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:27:20 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: how I love to argue w/brian Message-ID: <iss.1457.36ee07d5.7b775.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <36EDFD7A.63B91D79@bigfoot.com> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> Blind Melon and their stupid comment epitomized the ignorance that > people have about metal. If Hoon had been the one to make the comment, > then obviously no one deserves to die for that, but it was ignorant and > I don't think a lot of people here mourned his death, especially since > it was self-induced.
Exactly what kind of ignorance? They lumped "Pull Me Under" in with hair metal, which is somewhat ignorant but understandble for people who aren't metalheads or prog fans. There are plenty of people on this list who would listen to a song by, say, Orbital and think "boy, more crappy dance music" or a song by Al Stewart and think "boy, more crappy folk." Don't deny it; there's comments like that around here all the time. People generalize here about alternative, about rap, about folk, etc.
Aside from the hair metal stuff, their comments consisted entirely of their own opinions about the song, which they have every right to.
BTW, for anyone who is trying to figure out what the fuck we're arguing about, the relevant excerpt of the article can be found at http://www.prognosis.com/gabbo/dt/dt-melon.html.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 02:42:22 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: In defense of Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth Message-ID: <36EE0B5E.16CFE20D@home.com>
Harry D'Amour (wasn't that the character in "Lord of Illusions"?) wrote: > -Another thing that pissed me off and I got to say it is Jon Schaffer's= and > his little pet Matt Barlow's attitude. They go around blaming Metallica > "and bands that betray their fans" and swearing that "the day they'll > betray their fans is the day they die"=20
Where and when did they say this? They said Metallica 'betrayed their fans'? =20
Here's an ACTUAL Jon Schaffer quote:
"if you look at what Metallica=92s done, I=92m not into the Load album, I think there=92s some pretty cool stuff on Reload, but everybody came down on them so hard - and I did too - but now I look back and I think, you know, who cares? That=92s them."
OK, so he's saying that it doesn't matter as long as they're going what they want to be doing. What's the problem there?
Here's the WORST thing I ever heard Schaffer say about Metallica (and it's referring not even to their music... just Lars' shitty attitude):
"The one thing that disappointed me about Metallica was the way Lars was handling himself in interviews, saying that they were never Metal, or that Metal is dead. He said alot of stuff like that over in Europe, which really pissed off alot of people, and I was pissed, too."
In the same breath, he even went on to say nice things about Newsted and Hetfield then:
"I=92ve seen interviews with James, and with Newsted, and those guys stil= l seem like they are really cool people, down to earth and with their heads on right"
> These words come out of Iced Earth, one of > the few bands that's ripped off Metallica riffs so blatantly, especiall= y > those in Master of Puppets album. Iced Earth should at least keep their > mouth shut and show some respect for their greatest influences.=20
They show no respect for their influnces?
Here's another quote (from Schaffer):
"Musically, I would say Steve Harris from Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden is probably the number one influence for me. Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, old Metallica, I liked when I was younger. I would say, that was the four most influential bands. It all goes way back to even early childhood stuff - Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, and all that stuff. I really still enjoy that, and I consider that to be probably the basic roots of Iced Earth=92s sound."
Seems like he's showing respect there (for all the above bands). Even specifically naming Metallica as one of his four MOST influential groups.
...and another (responding to a question about whether he'd enjoy opening for Iron Maiden and Judas Priest):
"Hell yeah. I would be in heaven. Those guys are my heroes. I wouldn=92t know what to do. I would be like, I don=92t know. It would blow me away. Especially Maiden. = I just want to meet Steve Harris, because he has been an inspiration for me since I was fourteen years old, as far as how to be a leader, a songwriter, and just a good person. Everything I=92ve ever seen or read about the guy has just impressed me, very much. He=92s still a real person after all the years, and all the success. I=92ve met so many people that haven=92t even had half the success, and they=92re assholes. They think their shit doesn=92t stink. That=92s t= he kind of people I love to stay away from. That=92s one reason I really look up to Steve. It would b= e a true honor to open for those guys. I would love it. For Priest, too."
Hmmmm.....MORE RESPECT, apparently.
And another (when asked what he though of Bruce Dickinson/Adrian Smith's latest album):
"Yeah, it=92s killer. I would love to jam with them, too. That would be another dream come true. I would love to play with Maiden. The old Maiden line up, the new Maiden line up, the new Priest line up, whatever, any of those guys. The way I look at it, they=92re the pioneers. They=92re the second generation of pioneers, and we=92re the third generation. We just have to keep this going."
> > Of course, they wouldn't dare to change > > their style (though I like Something wicked....), =20
Actually, Something Wicked sounds a bit different than Dark Saga, a little more different than Burnt Offerings, and significantly different than Night of the Stormrider. Not DRASTICALLY different, but then again, I see that as a good thing.
> > not out of respect for their fans but because they've created a core = of fans that > > they'll be buying their albums until they die.=20
Yeah, since it's such a HUGE following, especially in their home country (USA). Check out these album sales figures (this is a bit out of date..... these #'s are from 1997)
Approximate U.S. Album sales (as of late '97): Iced Earth (self titled disc): 1,000 copies Night of the Stormrider: 2,500 Burnt Offerings: 5,000 The Dark Saga: 10,000
Now granted, they do better overseas, but don't make it sound like they're raking in the millions or anything. They're NOT EVEN NEARLY as big as say, Dream Theater (and we all know Dream Theater isn't even a HUGE seller)
> > But I didn't see Dr. Mosh > > or anyone else judging Iced Earth....
That's because Jon is one of the guys who's really championing metal right now. He's out there kicking ass and trying to keep metal alive.
--=20
- Joe DeAngelo =20 jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 --------------------------------------- "Fuck trends, and fuck posers" =20 - Jon Schaffer, Iced Earth ---------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:16 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: shannon h. Message-ID: <199903160744.JAA19513@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
> Having said that...all of you who are glad that he died because he ripped > Dream Theater really are sad, pathetic little people. Everyone is entitled > to their own opinion about music, and to wish someone death because of the
The fun thing is, Shannon Hoon even wasn't one who dissed Dream Theater, the two guys were the bassist and the drummer, as I recall. I may be wrong about the two guys' instruments, but there sure as hell wasn't a Shannon in the room to talk about.
Lesser bitchers... What has Dream Theater done to deserve such fans? :-)
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:10:39 -0500 From: "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: NO DTC???F!!?!?!?!?!?!?! Message-ID: <000701be7066$da591980$0824bacc@jon-s-tube>
I just received the most recent digest of the jam. To no big suprise, there is NOT ONE post about DT.
Anyone know where I can find a DT mailing list?
Eagerly awaiting DT content,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:45:50 +0100 From: "Kenn Jensen" <kenn@email.dk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Metallica Message-ID: <00aa01be6fa2$9d654f40$a609f2d4@kenn>
Well I have been following the sold out discussion about Metallica, and is very surprised to see that a lot of those people that wanted to "fill his mailbox with spam", when some bloke made his Top 10 - 40 lists (I hated that as well) are the same guys that are discussing Metallica, and I thought this topic was as much prohibited as Top 10 lists, but then I might just be an ignorant bastard..... so pls. stop this discussion - you'll never reach an agreement on this topic anyhow.... All I can says is that a band with 2 musicians below average, a decent lead guitarist, the best rhythm guitarist around and a decent vocalist, then they have done a pretty good job.... But then Motley Crue have sold way too many albums with no talent what so ever, so....
Be EXCELLENT to each other! Kenn
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