YTSEJAM Digest 4748
Today's Topics:
1) NDTC - Rik Emmett Fans Only Gigs
by seasend@ix.netcom.com (Stephen Glowacki)
2) No-Man cd on ebay
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
3) Andre out of Angra???????
by basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de
4) Re: Graham Bonnet
by Thomas <Thomas.Nojd@ericsson.com>
5) Do I subliminally fancy JP? And other stuff.
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
6) Directions to the DT mailing list
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
7) Re: Directions to the DT mailing list
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
8) Re: Zep, Vi, DTC (LONG, Motor-mouthed :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.your.brain.volpe.dot.gov>
9) Re:In defense of Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
10) help me out, folks
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4747
by DTheater99@aol.com
12) The Thread That Should Not Be
by "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
13) Hoon some more
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:05:36 -0600 (CST)
From: seasend@ix.netcom.com (Stephen Glowacki)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: NDTC - Rik Emmett Fans Only Gigs
Message-ID: <199903161205.GAA18200@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com>
Hi all,
I thought I'd pass thiss along for the Rik fans out there. He already
did one of these shows in Conn. and by all accounts, it was great! Rik
was so enthused by the intimate atmosphere t show, he played the
longest show of his career. For more info check out:
http://members.tripod.com/PChestna/
Rik Emmett will be appearing for two consecutive shows in
Massachusetts!
Date: Fri. 5/14/99
Location: Berklee College of Music - David Friend Recital Hall
Boston, MA
Time: 7:30 PM
Date: Sat. 5/15/99
Location: Worcester Polytechnic Institute - Riley Commons
Worcester, MA
Time: 7:30
Rik has agreed to have a different set list for each night so that
people
who want to see both shows will get double the enjoyment!
Ticket Prices:
One Show: $40/person
Both Shows: $35/person
Meet and Greet Rik Emmett after the show:
There will be meet and greet sessions with Rik after both shows. We
will
be under time constraints, so... Meet and greet will be on a first
pay,
first meet basis. As time allows, people will be allowed to talk to
Rik and
have him sign something/take pictures, etc in the order in which we
received
your money. People who buy tickets to both shows will have first
priority
to meet Rik after at least one show. I know we will not have enough
time to
allow everyone to meet Rik, so get your money in early. We will do our
best
to do this fairly.
Send your money (payable to Dan Bolton) to:
Dan Bolton
199 Elm St.
Dedham, MA 02026
Include a Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (SASE) for us to return your
tickets to you. Tickets will be mailed immediately if you include a
cashiers check or money order or as soon as the check clears if you use
a
personal check. If your check bounces, you are responsible to pay the
fee
before you receive your tickets. Write your email address on your
payment
so we can contact you in the event of a problem.
Directions and Area food/lodging: Will be made available via e-mail and
a
web site soon!
Questions can be sent to: RikInMA@aol.com
Rik is very excited about these shows and so are we! See you there.
Pete Chestna
Dan Bolton
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:57:29 -0600
From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net>,
Subject: No-Man cd on ebay
Message-ID: <36EE4729.12D4DA98@flash.net>
I have a rare out of print No-Man (Steve Wilson-Porcupine Tree/Fish's
Sunsets on Empire) for auction on ebay (Loveblows and Lovecries-US
Release):
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=78969211
Thanks for looking,
Kevin.
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:13:00 +0100
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Andre out of Angra???????
Message-ID: <9903161213.AA03921@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hossa!!
> From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
> Subject: Re: Andre out of Angra
>> There is a rumor that Andre Matos is going to leave Angra for
>Actually, this is quite true! I don't want to tell but I've been
>keeping in good touch with Andre over email of late. Here's a
>forward of his last message he sent me...
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andre Matos <viper23@aol.br>
Uhm, I guess you faked that one, right? This is not the Andre that I
know...
Is there any relyable source out there who knows what is going on
there with Angra?
Damn, I'll send Andre a fax an ask...
Thanks
Bye
Bernd
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For information about Superior have a look at:
http://www.truemetal.org/superior
http://www.fine.de/superior
http://www.noiserecords.com
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Why be normal?
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:18:39 +0100
From: Thomas <Thomas.Nojd@ericsson.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Graham Bonnet
Message-ID: <36EE4C1F.F4EE3FBB@ericsson.com>
Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> wrote:
>BTW, in the slightest, twisted way, Russel Allen of Symphony X (one of
>my favorite singers) reminds me a LITTLE of Graham Bonnet at times. Of
>course Russel is much smoother and versatile, but when he goes into
>power mode, there's a small similarity...
I have also thought about that, especially in the song 'Pharao' from 'The divine
wings of tragedy'!
/Thomas
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Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:13:38 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Do I subliminally fancy JP? And other stuff.
Message-ID: <6084153663@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
>DTC: Someone tell me that Awake-era Mike Portnoy doesn't look
>vaguely like Page in the picture at:
Heh. When I saw the photos of JP in the Awake cover, I had a heart
attack! He looked *exactly* like a girl I'd split up with shortly before,
only with a goatee! Fuck! How I (nervously) laughed: ha. Ha. Ha.
>I just got in the door from my first JP guitar clinic. In case
I will pay REAL MONEY if ANY of DT want to come to the UK to do a
clinic.
> 4/4 can be as complex as any time sig. 17/16 can be as simple as
I agree. Take a listen to Money on Dark Side..., okay? Try and tell me
that the riff is either complex, or sounds anything other than natural
and flowing. And yet it's in 7/4! Oooh, too complex to sell, surely?
>musician, he can't express an opinion? I guess you better start hating Neil
>Peart then, if I remember correctly he implied that DT was a "bar band."
Okay. Although I can think of better reasons not to like NP.
>prerogative. But to imply that his death is no great loss because he didn't
>like your kind of music is really ridiculous. I'm not saying that
Actually, I think they're saying that he deserved to die because he
was a dick; that he made shit music (music...I jest, of course) was
merely a symptom of his being a dick. The opponents of this thread
seem to be sharing in this culturally-created delusion that all life
is worth saving. Get with it, it's not. The human race would be an
awfull lot nicer if it forgot about this ludicrous concept - there
comes a point when life isn't worth saving. Hoon was one of the
30%-or-so who we'd all be better off without.
I've gotta correct two Bonham slip-ups here. Brian lumped JB in with
Hendrix, Joplin and Morrisson, and went into a long-overdue
demolition of those three. I just want to be sure that he wasn't
implying JB was involved with Heroin, because he WASN'T. His death
was from the equally destructive, yet legal, drug alcohol, sp. vodka.
The other one was about Bonham dying before ITtOD, which he obviously
didn't, but someone else has beat me to it. As far as ITtOD itself
goes...The only thing that gets my goat is "All My Love" - but only
lyrically. Musically, it sounds like modern Pink Floyd - the solo
section is so simple but it's so great as well. AND it's all in 4/4.
I'll get round to talking about the Zep stuff later; I gotta do an
assignment right now.
Si
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"If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year
A Man must learn to cope
If his obsession's real, suppression that he feels
Must turn to hope" -John Petrucci
s.j.dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk
lord_ibanez@hotmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/Lord_Ibanez/Lord_Ibanez.html
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:27:22 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Directions to the DT mailing list
Message-ID: <36EE785A.C4178F3D@bigfoot.com>
>I just received the most recent digest of the jam. To no big suprise,
>there is NOT ONE post about DT.
>Anyone know where I can find a DT mailing list?
Sure, no problem. That would be right up my ass.
:-D
Just kidding, Jonathan. Have you been here long? We'll have these
periods of drought; it's a cycle. LTE2 will be out in April and we'll
probably be talking about that....but hey, there have been some decent
topics of late. The shannon hoon thing is DT related; the time sig thing
is as well.
Pucker up, buttercup.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:22:24 -0500 From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Directions to the DT mailing list Message-ID: <36EE7730.BB15A2@frontierlogic.com>
Joshua Rasiel wrote: > > >Anyone know where I can find a DT mailing list? > > Sure, no problem. That would be right up my ass. >
Ahhh...
So that's where it is!!! Anyone want to go in there and get it out?
-mojoman
/\ /\ \_\/_/ . / _ _ \ . |\ |(*)(*)| /| #-----------------OOO---oo---OOO------------# # Frank Benenati - fmb@frontierlogic.com # # "Some of the nicest people are dogs" # # - Richard Dean Anderson # #__________________________ooo______________# ooo (_) (_)
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:11:38 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.your.brain.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Zep, Vi, DTC (LONG, Motor-mouthed :) Message-ID: <36EE82BA.3359@parmetpc.your.brain.volpe.dot.gov>
Brian "Opinion boy" :) wrote:
> zep. Some of the coolest keyboard riffs ever, some great "groove" ... it's > just an awesome album, imo. I think that "Houses of the Holy" is by far the > worst Zep album, because of Plant's screechy voice on that record and some
That's interesting, as I happen to think 'No Quarter' and 'Over The Hills And Far Away' are anything BUT "by far" the worst thing Zep has ever done :) The guitar solo on No Quarter is relatively straightforward, I guess, but has groove written all over it.
> And, to clarify, Bonham died *after* ITtOD and the European tour, but > before the American tour. Zeppelin never recorded another song after he > died, although they did release some old cuts as the album "Coda" a year or > two after his death.
Thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't sure and just noticed I forgot the question mark at the end. It was a question though, honest :) I haven't bought any Zep since Prescene. From what little I've heard (radio mostly), the drumming on their later stuff seemed to be so compratively weak it was hard to believe it was Bonham, at the least the Bonham I remember. Then again, their sound changed rather drastically across the board...
Brian "Opinion boy" (to distinguish him from the other Brian "Opinion boy" :)
> > rather A point, albeit a weak one :) Let's see: if you put on "Hot > Dog" > > and compare it to "Helter Skelter", but you get my point, right? :) > > Well, IMHO, the Beatles and Zeppelin were the best bands of the 60's > and 70's respectively, and they both have aged well. Zeppelin may SEEM > to have aged better, simply because they're a decade closer to today's > sound. > > But then again, using anything from Zep's "In Through the Outhouse" as > a comparison is unfair. It was their decline album, and was not on the
Huh? Si used "In The Evening" from ITtOD to say it was BETTER. Stay with me Brian :)
Not sure if you missed my point, as it got rather thick, but to clarify (yeah, right :):
In any case, I was using sarcasm to indicate how utterly rediculous it is to compare something like "When I'm 64" which is something like from the genre [:)] of maybe Vaudeville or some English bar tune (whatever, you know what I mean) to "In the Evening" which is what? A melange :) Some straightahead rock, yet Page starts doing some electric twangy country like bends? Not even Apples and Oranges. Apples and wood products :)))) Lyrically? Ok, fine, so one is person hoping they'll be loved and taken care of some number of years from now saying "will you still need me, will you still feed me" while the other is apparently hoping to get "taken care of" TONIGHT saying "oooh.....ohhh , i need yo luv", heheheh... therein the similarities end for me. c'mon, be serious....this isn't even close :)
SOOOOOOOOOO... I compared Hot Dog, a fucking country song by Zep :), to Helter Skelter..... if you don't know what type of category Helter Skelter belongs to, please unsubscribe now :) Wasn't that a ludicrous enough comparison to drive home the point? Hope that clears up any confusion :)))
Look, I'm not trying to say the Beatles are THE be all and end all to musicianship, people. They got to where they were in a similar way that Zep did, mostly on the fact that they gave a lot of people what they wanted at the time musically: something different. And someone saw a way to capitalize on this. It was basically a continuation of the rebellion of the youth of the 50's, playing music loud, being counter-culture, anti-establishment, whatever you wanna call it.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the music. However, I'm quite sure there were plenty of excessively talented musicians back then that never got good press but should have. It's no different today then it was back then. Change the sounds around that people like better, fine. The game is still the same... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose :)
JK: << .....His riffs sound like some real good blues running through Via's huge midi stack. >> > WHO THE FUCK IS THIS VIA DUDE? IS HE ANY GOOD? IS HIS LAST NAME SATELLITE?
His name is Ah Via. He replaced Eric Johnson as the main guitarist on Ah Via Musicom. They let Eric tune Ah's guitar on it, though. :))))))))
Jon Roberts: > I just received the most recent digest of the jam. To no big suprise, > there is NOT ONE post about DT.
Including yours in this ever more recenter :) digest...
> Eagerly awaiting DT content
Then contribute :)
Here's some (not much, but > 0) for ya:
Bert wrote: > 7/8 is kind of like 3/4 on steroids, giving an extremely lively rhythm >if the beat is quick. Other odd meters, like 9/8 and 5/4 tend to do the >same thing to a degree. When you get into things like 13/8 and 17/8, it >begins to diminish to a degree.
This is cool! I like how you gave a 'feel' to the math of it all. I enjoy this shiz as it applies to the stuff that kicks me in the ass the hardest :)
I've been told that 'Just Let Me Breathe' at 3:21 is in 5/x, and it seems very lively to me. I'm probably wrong, but it seems as if it's also the juxtaposition of the slower tempo right before it ("Now they're dead and buried", heh, PLEASE DON'T START THAT THREAD AGAIN :)))), that makes that the 5/x part seem lively. It's like they go into double speed all of a sudden. DT knows how to set me up so well :) Mike, if you're listening, could you include a song on the next album that's ENTIRELY in 5/4? :))) Do the laws of physics allow this?
And after just listening to http://jonfinn.com/timbuktu28.ra (obligatory Jon Finn reference :), which I've been told is in 15/16, I think I see what you mean a little.
Is it because it takes more time for the 1-beat (is that what you call it?) to come around each time? Or is it just that the tempo seems a little more laid back on the Finn tune? Or is it that on that part in JLMB, that fill that Portnoy is doing (a triplet?) to bring it back to the 1-beat? I have little clue-age, just like what I hear :)
Regards, Jon -- Remove your brain to reply
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:19:10 +0200 From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re:In defense of Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth Message-ID: <199903161619.SAA17114@nefeli.forthnet.gr>
Joe DeAngelo (ytsejam digest 4747): >Here's the WORST thing I ever heard Schaffer say about Metallica (and
Here's the worst thing, Joe: ".....when we say "fuck posers" we refer to guys like Lars Ulrich who say that heavy metal is dead. I' m really infuriated with them (Metallica). I was once a big fan of theirs....Success knocked them in the head.....Going around saying metal is dead is and that you were never a metal group is a deceit. They're fucking posers" (from an interview to the greek Metal Hammer magazine, June 1997)
>Where and when did they say this? They said Metallica 'betrayed their >fans'? =20
".....they're (Metallica) making fool of the very people who made them so great." (same interview)
>it's referring not even to their music... just Lars' shitty attitude):
Matt Barlow during the lced Earth live in Athens (11/6/97) spoke very bad (swearing) about "bands who cut their hair (for god's sake!), change their music and claim they no longer play heavy metal but rock 'n' roll" . When asked, after an argument with a Greek reporter, if Matt was referring to Metallica, Jon said: "maybe, but he didn't mention their name" (!!!!!!, no comments). He even said that he would sue the reporter who wrote that Matt mentioned the name Metallica, even though every single person in that club knew the hint was about them. He was asked many times after that if he was really referring to Metallica, but he cleverly avoided answering the question.
>They show no respect for their influnces?
all those above definitely prove that....
>Actually, Something Wicked sounds a bit different than Dark Saga
a veeeeeeerry little bit....what's the name of the song in Something wicked.... that sounds like "I died for you"?
>Not DRASTICALLY different, but then again, I see that as a good thing.
so do they, hehe.....
>Now granted, they do better overseas, but don't make it sound like >they're raking in the millions or anything. >They're NOT EVEN NEARLY as big as say, Dream Theater (and we all know >Dream Theater isn't even a HUGE seller)
never said anything about millions, nor implied it....I wrote that they've created a core of fans. A core is a number of few but dedicated fans, if you didn't get me. And yes, they DEFINITELY do better overseas. The fact that in the past 2 years they've visited Greece 3 or 4 times, they've toured extensively across Europe and they've played at the Dynamo festival in Holland (maybe the biggest European festival) shows that Iced Earth are a "little" popular in Europe, including Greece. To your surprise, I can tell you that Iced Earth are more popular than DT in Europe. At least in Greece it's absolutely certain (just a walk in Athens streets shows this: Iced Earth T-shirts are the most popular, as well as Blind Guardian). Sorry to piss you off, apparently Iced Earth is one of your faves, I can see that from your signature too, but so are Metallica for me. I just like to say things the way they are.
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:39:40 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: help me out, folks Message-ID: <36EE894C.7E9EF304@bigfoot.com>
I'm going to start selling the ytsejam shirt at eBay. I put it up for bid at a lower price, figuring people will bid it up to my target of 15 - actually, this has already happened. So that worked well.
Anyway, I'm new to eBay and they have a rule that until I get 10 positive feedback comments, or I've been a member for 2 months, I can only sell one shirt at a time, which is of course, inhibiting. It's a good system, but I have no history with eBay. I do, though, with you guys. I like to think I have a solid rep - at least, I'm not aware of any problems anyone's ever had with me, business wise.
So, I was wondering if some of my satisfied customers could go to:
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?LeaveFeedbackShow&useridto=joshdr
and leave some feedback on me. I would really appreciate it, and you would be helping to bring a good, affordable DT shirt to the masses. If you're not registered at eBay, it takes a few minutes; but really it's worth it, because it's a cool site and worth checking out.
Thanks fellers!
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:50:47 EST From: DTheater99@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4747 Message-ID: <6a713c8a.36ee8be7@aol.com>
Where is North Wales, PA and is anyone from the Staten Island area going?????
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:30:34 -0500 From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Thread That Should Not Be Message-ID: <18DB7F3D6363D1119B080060083FF42CC4E4BB@PFC_EXCH01>
Hey Jammers...
Knowing full well that this won't put an end to the topic, i thought i'd add this: During a "Behind The Music" VH1 special on Metallica -- Yes, Metallica getting a one-hour bio on VH1 -- Jason Newstead was asked how Metallica responds to the comments on them selling out. He answered: "Yes. We sell out....Every show...Everywhere we play." That's what it's all about, isn't it?!?! bye... CHRIS =========================================== A Moose once bit my sister... ===========================================
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:20:15 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Hoon some more Message-ID: <iss.2fee.36eea0da.3e722.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <6084153663@sdk1.derby.ac.uk> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> Actually, I think they're saying that he deserved to die because he > was a dick; that he made shit music (music...I jest, of course) was > merely a symptom of his being a dick. The opponents of this thread > seem to be sharing in this culturally-created delusion that all life > is worth saving. Get with it, it's not. The human race would be an > awfull lot nicer if it forgot about this ludicrous concept - there > comes a point when life isn't worth saving. Hoon was one of the > 30%-or-so who we'd all be better off without.
Okay, now you've stepped in it. What do you know about Hoon other than that you don't like his music and he died from heroin use? Anything? I want to know. If that's all you know about him, then just about the only thing you can say about him is that he's a stupid bastard for killing himself with heroin. I think that's hardly enough to say that the world is better off without him. As far as we know, he never robbed a convience store or beat up an old lady or raped your mother.
Beyond that, I'm not going to get any deeper into this thing of "deserving death" or people who aren't worth saving or any of it. That brings on some ideas about which I have very complex emotions, and this isn't the place for the discussion of it.
> I've gotta correct two Bonham slip-ups here. Brian lumped JB in with > Hendrix, Joplin and Morrisson, and went into a long-overdue > demolition of those three. I just want to be sure that he wasn't > implying JB was involved with Heroin, because he WASN'T.
As far as we know, Bonham was an alcohol man, and that's what he OD'd on. We can't say positively if he used heroin, but considering he was a whale when he finally died it's not likely. ;)
-Brian
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