YTSEJAM Digest 4749
Today's Topics:
1)
by "dreamer" <dreamer@otenet.gr>
2) reply to the reply to the reply...
by "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net>
3) DTC!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!
by "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net>
4) Re: In defense of Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) hooneth
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
6) Re: www.chromakey.com
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@globalxs.nl>
7) Queensryche
by Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4748
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
9) Sorry... (just testing my .muttrc and .procmailrc)
by Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br>
10) Sorry again (testing)
by Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br>
11) Fear Factory on MTV
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
12) I've been holding back this turd for 12 hours! :P
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) four messages catenated. absolutely zero DT content.
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:10:12 +0200
From: "dreamer" <dreamer@otenet.gr>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Message-ID: <004f01be6fda$31f13e80$9e76a7c3@dreamrealm>
In case anyone of you would know, I'd love to hear any news about
Robert Vasicek...y'know, the former Black Symphony keyboard player...(don't
know them either? +ACo-doh+ACo-)
Thanx, aris
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And yes+ACE- I have NO signature+ACE- NO fancy quote+ACE-
But then again, maybe this will serve as a sig :P
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:41:33 -0500
From: "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: reply to the reply to the reply...
Message-ID: <000501be70ae$3b1365e0$3924bacc@jon-s-tube>
Joshua Rasiel wrote:
>
> >Anyone know where I can find a DT mailing list?
>
> Sure, no problem. That would be right up my ass.
>
Ahhh...
So that's where it is!!! Anyone want to go in there and get it out?
-mojoman
How about that ytse-proCtologist guy?????
I'm sure he could handle the job.
Just kidding, Jonathan. Have you been here long? We'll have these
periods of drought; it's a cycle.
I understand, it just gets frustrating. DROUGHTS SUCK!
BTW, I emailed Derek once when he was in the band, no
response, I've emailed Jordan twice, once directly, the other just a
post to his bulletin board, and I've gotten an authentic resopnce BOTH
TIMES. This guy must really appreciate his fans.
Later all
JOn
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:48:48 -0500
From: "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DTC!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!
Message-ID: <000701be70af$2dcc3d20$3924bacc@jon-s-tube>
That was a good point about the time sigs being DTC, I have to agree now
that i've actually thought about it.
Contribute ??? sure why not...
For all you musicians trying to transcribe these lightning fast solo's from
the DT boyz, here is something that might help you(Its helped me many
times!!)
Download. com
get a file called Goldwave
it allows you to take any amount of music directly off a CD and then
you can manipulate it in a bunch of ways..
especially:
a function called TIMEWARP, it allows you to slow the file down 50% at a
time, without changing pitch of quality.
It was the only way for me to learn those "OH MY GOD" parts in TTT and Met
I.
Check it out
later
JOn
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:29:02 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: In defense of Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth
Message-ID: <36EEBF0E.27BAA8D7@home.com>
Firstly, let me apologize for the screwed-up formatting on that last
post. I dunno what the hell happened.....
Harry D'Amour quoted I.E.'s Jon Schaffer:
> ".....when we say "fuck posers" we refer to guys like Lars Ulrich who say that heavy metal is dead."
OK, thanks for providing the quote. I've never seen that interview
before ....
Well, I'll concede that he did slam Met then, but I'm also curious about
what Lars did say, actually. If he did go on about metal being dead,
and how Met was never a metal band and such, that's pretty shitty too.
> >They show no respect for their influnces?
> all those above definitely prove that....
Well, I still disagree on this point. OK, they've admitted that they
lost their respect for Metallica (frankly, I have to a certain degree
also). So what..... that's their opinion, and they're entitled to it.
They've also said very nice things about other groups who they haven't
lost their respect for.
> >Actually, Something Wicked sounds a bit different than Dark Saga
> a veeeeeeerry little bit....
True, but the same can be said of the older Met albums. Like I said
though, who gives a fuck if they're similar as long as they kick ass
(which is true of both the I.E. albums, as well as most of Metallica's
older discs).
> what's the name of the song in Something
> wicked.... that sounds like "I died for you"?
"Watching Over You"?
> Sorry to piss you off,
You didn't piss me off.
> apparently Iced Earth is one of your faves, I can
> see that from your signature too,
Yep, they sure are. And I admit they may not be THE most original band
ever, but it's hard to deny that they're one of the world's best heavy
metal bands out there.....
> but so are Metallica for me.
Agreed. I really like Metallica too, man. Hell, actually I just bought
The Black Album about an hour ago (I had lost my original copy). I just
don't like the last two albums (or some of their attitudes recently),
that's all. Trust me... I'm not out here bitching about how horrible
they are though. Despite my hating Load/Reload, I still bought (and
enjoyed) Garage Inc., and frankly as long as their next album sounds
more promising than Load/Reload, I'll buy that too.
> I just like
> to say things the way they are.
Fair enough.
- Joe DeAngelo
jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723
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"Fuck trends, and fuck posers"
- Jon Schaffer, Iced Earth
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:47:01 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: hooneth
Message-ID: <19990316204701.10635.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>note that Hoon nay didst speaketh ill unto the blessed quartet,
>>but yet
>
>hehe. I meant quintet, as I know someone will rip my ass for
>that, and my overusage of the 'eth verb endings. Lighten up,
>it's a satire. :D
>--
>KorgX3
i thought it was quite good even though i was told to "pulleth my head
from my ass" :)
inferno
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:26:48 +0100
From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: www.chromakey.com
Message-ID: <7726CD45BE4.AAA2255@Iguanodon.big-orange.net>
CyberDuke wrote:
> This site (www.chromakey.com) asks for password to get in! :(
>
> What's the catch, how can I get the Chroma Key demo MP3??
> If someone's in the mood to help, please e-mail me PRIVATELY!
Apparently, their webhost's server got hacked. They don't think
anyone's website got affected, but things are closed down until
everything is secure again... Should be fixed soon enough. :-)
Mark Bredius
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:31:04 +0100
From: Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Queensryche
Message-ID: <36EECD98.CA14F243@club-internet.fr>
Hi everyone,
For a long time I've been wondering about Queensryche why they chose
that as their name.
It is a reminder of their first Ep "Queen of the Reich", but what was it
about ?
I always tend to get suspicious when anyone uses this kind of
references...
And I wouldn't like to have given money to a fascist or nazi band, no
matter how I might like their music... (except of course for "Hear
In...", which should have gone straight to the first trashcan near the
recording studio instead of being released)
So if someone could give me some explanation, they'd be more than
welcome!
-- "Understanding is a three-edged sword" -Kosh ________________________ Daniel Beziz------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:23:13 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4748 Message-ID: <007901be6ffb$96385060$cacbfea9@z979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de >Subject: Andre out of Angra???????
It was a cleverly forged joke. :) Is there even an aol.br or was that just part of the joke?
>From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> >Subject: Do I subliminally fancy JP? And other stuff.
>Heh. When I saw the photos of JP in the Awake cover, I had a heart >attack! He looked *exactly* like a girl I'd split up with shortly before, >only with a goatee! Fuck! How I (nervously) laughed: ha. Ha. Ha.
When I was in high school, my bassist decided not to jam with my band anymore when our new guitarist joined. He said he couldn't handle the fact that the new guitarist looked EXACTLY like a girl he tried hitting on the week before (minus a few curves, I'd assume). Some people get awefully freaky about that.... lets not forget George Costanza!
>> 4/4 can be as complex as any time sig. 17/16 can be as simple as >I agree. Take a listen to Money on Dark Side..., okay? Try and tell me >that the riff is either complex, or sounds anything other than natural >and flowing. And yet it's in 7/4! Oooh, too complex to sell, surely?
Sting had a big hit on his last album with "Hung My Head" (I think that's the title) which is entirely in 9/8. Anything can be simple, and anything can be difficult. That song is really easy to hear, but it IS actually a little tricky to play it smoothly. :)
>From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr> >Subject: Re:In defense of Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth
>Here's the worst thing, Joe: ".....when we say "fuck posers" we refer to >guys like Lars Ulrich who say that heavy metal is dead. I' m really >infuriated with them (Metallica). I was once a big fan of theirs....Success >knocked them in the head.....Going around saying metal is dead is and that >you were never a metal group is a deceit. They're fucking posers" (from >an interview to the greek Metal Hammer magazine, June 1997)
I'd ABSOLUTELY agree with the dude from Iced Earth. Come ON! If Metallica says they were never metal, isn't that undeniable proof that they're trying to pull themselves from the genre (i.e. abandon ship, i.e. SELL OUT). I have read SEVERAL interviews where they claimed to be, along with Megadeth and Anthrax (and maybe Slayer) the fathers of thrash metal. It's deceit if they go about it that way... you can say you're not metal anymore, but to say one thing and then say you didn't say that thing... is a lie. That simple.
>".....they're (Metallica) making fool of the very people who made them so >great." (same interview)
I agree completely.
>From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> >Subject: Hoon some more
No, Hoon no more. Please. Brian: I agree that no one deserves to die just because I dislike their music, but I learned by the harsh reality of this list, that getting in moral debates here is just not worth it. Throw in your comments and then just go. This is not worth the waste of bandwidth and the stress it's clearly causing you. No one benefits from this thread... not everyone functions by the same moral code (most of us do... some people are rebellious and think that it's cool to play superiority games.... you'll never win any ground with those people, and they're not worth the effort). Chill with the Hoon or I'll keep up with the Metallica. :)
- Chris
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:36:26 -0300 From: Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Sorry... (just testing my .muttrc and .procmailrc) Message-ID: <19990316203626.A26470@ime.usp.br>
Sorry again.
--=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@linux.ime.usp.br> Undergraduate Mathematics Student - University of S=E3o Paulo
"Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." - Frank Zappa =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:41:54 -0300 From: Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Sorry again (testing) Message-ID: <19990316204153.A26574@ime.usp.br>
As I said, sorry again.
[]s, hope this works, Alexandre. --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@linux.ime.usp.br> Undergraduate Mathematics Student - University of S=E3o Paulo
"Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." - Frank Zappa =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:27 -0800 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Fear Factory on MTV Message-ID: <004a01be700c$ab6fc560$43f7aa26@multimedia>
If there are any Fear Factory fans, they'll be on mtv. Finally something decent for a change.
BEACHBRAWL - Wrestlers from WCW take to the sand for an all-out brawl to decide who is King of the Beach at MTV Spring Break '99. Fear Factory will be performing.
Beachbrawl FRI 3/19 9:30 p.m. SAT 3/20 8:30 a.m. SAT 3/20 7:30 p.m. SAT 3/20 1:30 a.m. SUN 3/21 6:30 a.m. SUN 3/21 6 p.m. SUN 3/21 2:30 a.m.
peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com mail@jamesthorpe.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:18:15 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: I've been holding back this turd for 12 hours! :P Message-ID: <000401be7014$132066e0$620d84d0@default>
> It was a cleverly forged joke. :) Is there even an aol.br or was that >just part of the joke?
hehehe. You bet. Never heard of South America Online? :)
>anything can be difficult. That song is really easy to hear, but it IS >actually a little tricky to play it smoothly. :)
Aye. Yanni's someone I like to use as an example of this. You know, Yanni's not a lame as people set him out to be and he's actually pretty popular (especially among the elderly Mormon community for some reason). But alot of his stuff is written in odd times. Alot of his album "In My Time" (a pun? maybe) is written in 9/8. I think only 2 of the songs on that album are actually in 4/4 the whole way through. 9/8 isn't so hard to play when you count 1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3, but even so, it's still a difficult one to keep the feel of without screwing it up. hehehe. He also has a couple of songs in 7/8. He has a real whacko way of counting 7/8, too. It's like 1 1-2 1 1-2-3. But he makes it sound real easy and people dig the shit out of it. In Nostalgia he does this haunting 5/4 melody that counts out 1-2 1-2-3... Just badass things that are hard to play.
Anyway, I know you guys get tired of hearing about Yanni... -- KorgX3 needs to go let this sucker out.
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:54:37 -0500 From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: four messages catenated. absolutely zero DT content. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990316195437.0074faf0@popserver.panix.com>
On 23:00 3/13/99 -0800, you wrote:
[Ptacek] > significant appearances on each other's cd)... it's (and this is of > course, all IMO) the Becker solos on Jewel and Saturation Point. =20
Maybe, maybe I'll have to listen more, it's been a while.. I have a new copy now, yay! ( AGAIN stolen at an in-store. This is how I "buy" all my CDs now it appears!! :)=20 Three days ago in sao paolo I got: pain of salvation, chemical wedding, dead air for radios (great!), holy land, and some weird field recording o= f iraqi folklore. All for "free", if you consider writing your name 500 tim= es a nice way to spend an afternoon)
[Trumbo] > umm.. this isn't THE jens johansson it?.. this is a jens johansson=20 > admirer who decided to use the guys name right?..=20
All essentially correct; a) All JJ's are 'the' JJ to someone, mee too b) I'm a self-admirer, c) I decided to use my own name
[KorgX3] > This > Jens want to string the other Jens up with harpsichord wire but they ne= ver > seem to meet each other.
On the contrary, we meet all the time.
It's not pretty... but then, what interesting things are pretty?
> BTW, question for Jens... Who the hell is Leif Johansson? Any relatio= n?
Johansson is the most common last name in Sweden.
> Another question... I made a big mistake of listening to some Nightwis= h: > Oceanborn MP3's and now I'm hooked and there's no supplier. Is there a= ny > domestic place that sells them? Can that Spinalrectum (whatever it's > called) Records be trusted if I send them $20 cash? (eep). =20
Spinefarm? I'd trust them, they're Finnish (but of course ask if they do this and if they accept US cash)
> I have to get this album...
I heard one track on some compilation, and I agree it sounded sort of interesting.
> KorgX3 mochte (I can't umlaut dammit!) Tarje mit sauerbratten.
Alt + 252-on-numeric-keypad? Wer ist diese Tarje dann, und warum mit Sauerbraten? Sauerbraten ist echt =FCbereklich, meine ich..=20
[DeAngelo] > Adrian asked: >> Second Question: Who is Shannon Hoon in JLMB? >> The jackass singer from Blind Melon, who ragged on Dream Theater, bein= g >> he drugged himself to death.
> The first time I heard a Blind Melon song (I don't even know the name... > it's that soft one that was really popular) it was on 101 WRIF here in = [...]
But was it really Shannon, or one of the guitar players?? My memory fails me now. Anyway, I just wanted to type that I just have a feeling it wasn'= t Shannon, I remember something about the comment, it was a celebrity rate-a-record thing.. some complaints about "guitar squeelies" or some similar BS. Maybe this should be fact-checked if it's in the Dream Theate= r FAQ...
And before you all commence to hack me to death -- I like to rag on lame music as much as the next guy, believe me you. I don't sit around listeni= ng to Blind Melon all day. Most of my youth I spent complaining about other musicians and their music, it seems. I'm not gonna comment on BM. The onl= y reason I'm typing this is that I knew Shannon a little, he was an OK guy, well, a bit wild but essentially with a good heart.
> song! Damn, it's pretty bad when a song is so awful that you think it'= s > purposely supposed to be that way to make you laugh. =3D)
Hey, the record went double platinum in the US alone! Someone must have liked it.. I think they called it a "feel-god summer hit". Whatever that is.. ;) The guys in the band laughed all the way to the bank. But poor Shannon also laughed all the way to the grave, unfortunately. I agree tha= t it was stupid of him to snort all that cocaine. A waste of life.. it's su= ch a stupid, 80s drug as well. But at least maybe the squeelie comment was someone else. ;)=20
BTW when Yngwie does those rate-a-record things he says things that are about a fucking *trillion* times more offensive!! And funny. Did you know he said Portnoy's playing was too busy and that he should start take sedatives once? That's a tounge-in-cheek *compliment*! :) He probably laughed when he said that. But of course the laughter never makes it into print..=20
Greetings from Chile..
--- Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/) -- If you want me to read your reply, send mail directly to me, or include the word 'jclob' somewhere in the post if it's to the list, as I filter all lists I'm subscribed to heavily!!
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