YTSEJAM Digest 4755
Today's Topics:
1) Mars
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4754
by Glenn <glenn@wr.com.au>
3) JM & Bass Player
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
4) Ebay blunder
by MentolPyro@aol.com
5) Jeff Beck
by Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
6) Blind Guardian
by Compadre32@aol.com
7) Acoustic Dreams & Instrumental II on Ebay
by TTubbiola@aol.com
8) Re:Paradigm Shift Intro/Tico alone again.....
by JKorby1973@aol.com
9) Re: Poison reunion/VH1 Behind the Scenes
by JKorby1973@aol.com
10) Re: The Planets in The Divine Wings?
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
11) The infamous "Trash the 80's bands" bandwagon.
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
12) Richie Kotzen
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
13) Still whuppin' on my favorite baby seal...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Re: Queensryche
by Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
15) Queen's Reich
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) Re: Which Seal?
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
17) Re:"When the Water Breaks".
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
18) Re: Which Seal?
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:34:04 -0800 (PST)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Mars
Message-ID: <19990318233404.18763.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
For another rendition of Mars as well as the other planets in the
series, check out the 1995 version that the Cavelier drum and bugle
corp did. It totaly rocked nadz. (The Cavies won the DCI championship
that year.)
Later all
==
John Parks
jpyyz@yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:38:11 +1000
From: Glenn <glenn@wr.com.au>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4754
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990319103811.007dab40@mail.wr.com.au>
Could somebody please unsub me. Irealise that this is not the right
protocol to do this and I apologise, but I no longer have internet accedd,
only email.
So if somebody could unsub me I would appreciate it.
Thank you
Glenn
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:51:18 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: JM & Bass Player
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809322@messaging>
Hello, everyone...
Well, it was a pleasant surprise to open up the new Bass Player magazine
today and see the leading front page ad displaying John Myung and his new
Yamaha signature six-stringer - and yes, I do want one....
David Dixon, MCP
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:27:50 EST
From: MentolPyro@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Ebay blunder
Message-ID: <24431914.36f19a06@aol.com>
I thought some of you might be interested by this:
Dream Theater-Images and Words-Out of Print
Item #79910583
Description:
Get this 8 track cdfrom Dream Theater . This Cd is out of print.This is an
80's hair.metal band. Features: 01. Pull Me Under 02. Another Day 03. Take The
Time 04. Surrounded 05. Metropolis- Part 1 'The Miracle And The Sleeper' 06.
Under A Glass Moon 07. Wait For Sleep 08. Learning To Live . .
Have fun
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:10:44 -0500
From: Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Jeff Beck
Message-ID: <36F1A414.8F10E660@tiac.net>
> From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Jeff Beck @ SXSW
>
> OH MY GOD! I saw jeff beck last nite here in Austin for South By
> Southwest, and he stunned me to silence! All I could do was half-assedly
> clap my hands and the end of the songs, I was so blown away.
> but, jeez, I had no idea jeff beck was so modern sounding. I
> figured on a show like Clapton or Page and Plant, where everything was
> pretty old school (but still kick ass). But Beck was tapping and using his
> whammy bar like crazy, even doing those weird flutters that I'd only heard
> Ibanez players (Vai, Satch, and JP) do up till now. I used to think that
> was a secret button on the high-end Ibanez guitars ;)
You didn't know Jeff Beck was so modern sounding?? You and everybody
else it seems. Unfortunately, nobody out there seems to be aware of the
fact that Jeff Beck originated so many of the things that Satch and Vai
picked up on in the 80's (and JP in the 90's). Specifically, playing
strong melodic solos in the context of all flashy instrumental guitar
work is the kind of stuff that Beck originated back in 70's. Check out
Blow by Blow and Wired specifically to see the man in his prime.
Adam
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:18:02 EST
From: Compadre32@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Blind Guardian
Message-ID: <aa979f57.36f1a5ca@aol.com>
=09I know most jammerz have heard of the German band, Blind Guardian at le=
ast
once or twice. If you havent, i seriously sugest you check them out. The=
y
are one of the most talented bands out of Germany Ive heard and they have =
been
around for a pretty long damn time. Check out www.mp3.com and select heav=
y
metal from the music menu and check out some of their tunes if your are
interested. If anyone on the Jam has any additional info on them....pleas=
e
send it my way cause ive conjured up a huge buttache looking for their stu=
ff
all over the place...Thanks to anyone that can help....Blind Guardian is
definately something that every jammer that likes a good Metal punch would
drool over. Oh yeah!!...for those of you who like the Tolkien saga...alm=
ost
all of Blind Guardian's albums and songs have themes from the masterpieces
(like Lord Of The Rings, etc...)
anyone that has any good info send it my way....id also like to hear what =
the
jammerz think about them and their music
later folks
J=A7C=A7W
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:22:08 EST
From: TTubbiola@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Acoustic Dreams & Instrumental II on Ebay
Message-ID: <ba48ebec.36f1a6c0@aol.com>
Hi,
If anyone is interested, I just put two DT Boots on Ebay.
Acoustic Dreams
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79954048
Instrumental II
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79967634
There are full descriptions and track listings on that site.
Tom
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:35:56 EST
From: JKorby1973@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re:Paradigm Shift Intro/Tico alone again.....
Message-ID: <2fe1d2f0.36f1a9fc@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-03-18 17:56:55 EST, you write:
<< <But I swear it looks like JP does it in 15th position, playing
the D,E, and F on the B string, and only playing the Db on the G string! Is
this NOT awkward as hell compared to the other positions for anybody else
also? I suppose I could be wrong on how he plays it, but my slo-mo feature on
the VCR is pretty clear. Let me know what you think.
- JK>>
Actually, this seems like the simplest way to play that run. Your left hand
fingers
are centered in that "scale fragment" possition (on JP's video) and theres
only one
note on the 3rd string to bounce between rather than switching between the
two strings
as many times as those other transcriptions have it. I'll have to try it out
how you
say JP plays it.
>>
I see what you mean, but I was talking about picking every note at that
speed. There's a couple times when he goes back and forth from the D and Db,
which in this position are on different strings. It's seems harder to play it
at that speed that way. But the master(JP) obviously doesn't have a problem w/
that. That bastard! Oh well.
<< If you want Tico Torres, you'll have to displace Eva Herzigova, the
wonderbra girl. I think she's his current squeeze.
>>
Nope, they're divorced already.
- JK
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:51:29 EST
From: JKorby1973@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Poison reunion/VH1 Behind the Scenes
Message-ID: <c54da5d0.36f1ada1@aol.com>
Someone asked about if there is a reunion in the works for Poison. Answer:Yes,
they are together again (w/ CC, not Richie Kotzen) and have put together a
summer tour called "Exiled From Mainstream Tour". They are taking Ratt, Great
White, & LA Guns. Other bands that may be included are Dokken and Cinderella,
depending on their recording schedules. The tour starts Labor Day weekend. VH1
is also currently working on a "Behind the Music" special on Poison to add to
their collection of 80's bands episodes (Def Lep, Crue).
- JK
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:33:00 -0600 (CST)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: The Planets in The Divine Wings?
Message-ID: <1999318231136541@ix.netcom.com>
<<You guys heard Symphony X's The Divine Wings of Tragedy yet? That is,
IMO the best metal use of "The Planets" to date.>>
What part of this song has peices of "The Planets" in it? I checked the liner
notes and it doesnt say.
Matt
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"A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct
will flush your mind not a trend. Go against
right down the drain." the grain until the end."
-Dream Theater -Metallica
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:52:13 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The infamous "Trash the 80's bands" bandwagon.
Message-ID: <199903190652.IAA08705@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From: JKorby1973@aol.com
> not a great solo? They could also write a good rock/pop song too- W/O the
> help that Aerosmith, Bon Jovi or Motley Crue had w/ Desmond Child or Bob
> Rock. (Not that those bands are better or worse.) My point-Poison has
Correction. Take Motley Crue out of there. Save the cover songs (Helter
Skelter and Jailhouse Rock), the tunes were all written by either Nikki
Sixx or co-written by some of his bandmates. (Okay, Feelgood was largely a
Mick Mars venture.)
That's one of the reasons I still hold the Crue in high regard: unlike Bon
Jovi, Kiss, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper etc., they could pull off some sicko
stuff without Desmond Child, Diane Warren, or Joan Jett writing for them.
So, stick to facts.
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:18:46 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Richie Kotzen
Message-ID: <199903190718.JAA09341@xyz.estcard.ee>
> From: DTheater99@aol.com
> Yeah it was a shame about Richie Kotzen. Too bad he was schtooping Rikki
> Rockett's wife. Any word on the Poison reunion? Speaking of reunions,
I've heard the Poison reunion is now officially confirmed news.
And Richie Kotzen never "schtooped" with Rikki's wife. She was Rikki's
ex-girlfriend-to-be, and she told Richie that she and Rikki had broken up,
though they hadn't yet by then, but happened soon afterwards. Richie got
the boot and went on to marry the woman.
Hell, any more useless information from me? Let's see.
> From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
> DTC: Does anyone know where to find how many albums DT have
> sold? Especially by country?
"What's you thing with sales? What are you, an internal revenue service?"
(Henry Rollins)
:-)
Somewhat Dream Theater related stuff: heard "When Pus Comes To Shove" from
Platypus and must say that album REALLY whips! Completely unlike what I
was half-heartily expecting, and even better than I hoped for. One of the
must haves of 1998, that's a definite. More like a pure rock album, not
"prog" by any stretch. What a refreshing change. Go get it like now and
stuff, uh huh.
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:44:38 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Still whuppin' on my favorite baby seal...
Message-ID: <005001be71dc$7dc419a0$720d84d0@default>
>Don't get me started, have you actually heard a Seal CD...I mean the
>whole album - not just the famous single...? This guy has alot of
I'd like to second this. I only have the self-titled first album, but I
really want to get the rest of his stuff. If it's anything like this first
release it will be well worth it. I remember being in the same boat awhile
back. "Bah, this weak mainstream schizz. Bah!" Then I saw him on MTV
Unplugged one night and actually say down and listened. I bought the CD the
next day. Very good to the last drop.
><<You guys heard Symphony X's The Divine Wings of Tragedy yet? That is,
>IMO the best metal use of "The Planets" to date.>>
I still don't see wha the big deal is with Mars. I like Jupiter much
better. I throw that one on before I go to bed and pretend I'm flying over
old German cities pooping on cars. That section always reminds me of the
theme to Wild Kingdom, too.
BTW, any words if Mike's next supergroup collaberation was still in mind?
The one with Neil Morse, Jim Matheos, Mike, and Pete Trawevas <sp?> (was it
Pete, my mind's a blank right now). I would really like to see a prog
supergroup come together and write (not right, damn homonyms) something to
blow the mainstream away. This sounds like the group to do it. The same
thing happened in 1981. Anyone remember Asia? hehehe. I still do. :)
Whetton, Downes, Howe, and Palmer. Same sort of setup Mike's got going with
the one listed above. I just get a "Hardy Boy" thinking about what they
could write together.
Anyway, enough from me...
-- KorgX3 misses Captain Kangeroo.------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:37:53 +0100 From: Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Queensryche Message-ID: <36F10FC1.AFA58650@club-internet.fr>
> OH GOD.......how can you get suspicious about Q, since they've created the > masterpiece "Operation: mindcrime"? Have you read at least once the lyrics > of this album? Please do......
Of course, I have! But you can understand them two ways, depending on which side you stand. It's quite tendentious.
> It is purely a shortening of the song title "Queen of the Reich" -- the > members have stated in interviews that they wanted to use that > name(Queensryche), but didn't want to thought of as Nazi sympathizers -- > therefore the change in spelling. :-)
Yeah, but why choose this sort of a name if not to imply nazi feeling ? My only point is to know for sure whether or not they're on the right side. So far, I haven't been convinced at all that they're not neo-nazi. Nothing in their attitude, and nothing in their music or lyrics place them clearly on one side. From where I stand, their motivations to choose this name are quite blurry.
> So you've heard their music... yet feel the need to ask this question? > Talk about over-the-edge political correctness. Have they ever done a > pro-Nazi or pro-facist song? Ever? Let's see policital messages from QR > songs: anti-drugs, anti-crime, anti-government corruption... I guess I > just missed out on the anti-Semetism, anti-freedom, and anti-liberty songs. > Gimme a break. Go read the editorial in the latest US News & World Report > about the guy who got run out of Washington for the using the term > niggardly. I guess we can add reich to the list. Does anyone even know > what that term means? The band basically chose the name on a whim. The > song, near as I can tell, is a fairly juvenile little horror story. Ex: > "Flying high through the night/She will hide your fate/As she takes your > soul from under/And the blinding light of the castle fades". Thankfully > their lyrical abilities improved over the years... > > Biz >
First, If you had read my first mail with a bit more of attention, you'd have understood that I never listened to their first Ep, and hence don't know the lyrics from its songs. Second, read the top of this mail. The topic of some their songs : "anti government corruption", "anti-manipulation"... can be interpreted both ways. And these very arguments are even used by extreme right wing throughout the world. It doesn't mean they are pro-nazi. Yet, it doesn't clear them from where I stand. My point is that I get suspicious when people use such terms as reich, which means, in case you don't know, "Empire" in german... and is often used as a reference to what Hitler described as a 1000 years empire that he wanted to build from 1934 on. We all know, anyway I hope we all know, what horrors this reich perpetrated.
My question is as yet unanswered. -- "Understanding is a three-edged sword. Your side, their side and the truth" -Kosh ________________________ Daniel Beziz
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:30:48 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Queen's Reich Message-ID: <001001be71e2$cc60dc00$720d84d0@default>
>We all know, anyway I hope we all >know, what horrors this reich perpetrated. >My question is as yet unanswered.
For starters, you need to wake up. You could start running around blaming everyone and everything of being anti-semitic if you wish. Metallica could be neo-nazis because they covered (or wrote?) a song called Blitzkrieg. Queensryche could be evil SS agents because of the use of the word reich. Hell, I don't like Kosher pickles, I think I'd better order my swastika armband right away. If you're so damn paranoid that QR's gonna whisper words from Satan into your head, then do yourself a favor and >just don't listen to them.<
BTW, to answer your question, to the best of my knowledge, Queensryche is >not< a neo-nazi, anti-semitic band. They're just part-time KKK members. -- KorgX3 waffles his foot.
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:41:19 -0800 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Which Seal? Message-ID: <351158BF.7BE56EB0@stones.com>
+Quick question: some of you have mentioned that Tony Levin is currently +touring with Seal. Is this the same Seal that recorded the pop song "Kiss +]From A Rose"? If so, why does he need Tony's bass-playing ability? +Couldn't he get by with a drum machine and a sequencer? :) Or is there +another Seal I don't know about? + +Ryan +
The very same Seal. A quick reality check here, the best bassit is NOT the one who can execute ridiculous ammounts of notes in 12/47 time sig. It's the one who can make shake your bootie with groove and that's what Seal's music is about.. groove. And when it comes to the groove, most drum/bass machines and sequencers turn out to be quite useless. Seal got himself DA MAN for the job :) Hope they will tour central EU sometime soon....
Matej, who just finished his 5 hour bass workout
P.S.
Any bassists use Trace Elliot gear? Let me know how you like it or not please... privately, if possible.. THANX
TURN ON THE BASS!
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:44:37 -0800 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re:"When the Water Breaks". Message-ID: <35115985.9509302E@stones.com>
+when the water breaks? Lemme guess, that was written by Mike Portnoy +about the night his son was born? +
Actually that song was named when Petrucci's wife's water broke :)
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:58:24 -0800 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Which Seal? Message-ID: <35115CC0.4B7EF07C@stones.com>
+Um, did he also mention that he's going to be part of Steven Seagal's "solo" +band? That, IMO, would be the gig to make people say that he's a musical whore, +not Seal.
WOW, have you actually heard Seagal play??? I don't think so! Neither have I, but if Levin says he's a pretty good guitar player I'll take his word for it. Now, you'r not calling session musicans musical whores, are you?? *GRUMBLE* Me swings his 6string bass in Craig's head's direction.....
And for the record, that Seagal CD has already been recorded and Tony does play some parts on it!
Matej
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