YTSEJAM Digest 4756
Today's Topics:
1) DT and DCI
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
2) Bend over and say "ahh"
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
3) odd seals
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
4) Idaho's pack and release program...
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
5) Re: Blind Guardian
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
6) Re: Queensryche
by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
7) A hunka hunka burnin' laser
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
8) Re: Ytse-wives...
by Adriana Califano <acalifano@chubb.com>
9) Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
10) FII and Tony Levin
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
11) Re: Queensryche
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
12) Re: Jeff Beck
by AEllis1222@aol.com
13) Re: Jeff Beck
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
14) Re: The Planets in The Divine Wings?
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
15) Re:Queensryche
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
16) shirley and aerosmith
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
17) Re: Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche
by Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4755
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:25:38 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DT and DCI
Message-ID: <36F21811.C2C6B97F@ucla.edu>
Ok, so it wasnt DT, but it's really awesome to hear of prog stuff
being played by drum corps. Ill have to go back and see if I can find
any old tapes of the Cavaliers doing this number. I've only gotten into
prog in the last year or so, so I wasn't looking out for this, although
I was a big drum corps junkie in 95 or so. Taking on prog metal on the
field sounds like the perfect endeavor for the Velvet Knights. Too bad
the IRS shut them down, they were lunatics.
> +when the water breaks? Lemme guess, that was written by Mike Portnoy
> +about the night his son was born?
> +
>
> Actually that song was named when Petrucci's wife's water broke :)
Sheesh, the DT guys must have super sperm.. their wives just keep
shooting out kids like there's no tomorrow.
~~Amanda,
the french horn player from hell
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:42:07 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bend over and say "ahh"
Message-ID: <36F21BEF.C23DFB83@isd.net>
> Sure, no problem. That would be right up my ass.
>
[Ahhh...
[So that's where it is!!! Anyone want to go in there and get it out?
[-mojoman
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
{ How about that ytse-proCtologist guy?????
{ I'm sure he could handle the job.
The topic certainly caught YOUR attention. Is there something you
want to tell us?
#as^jbf&jkledfj*gizzard-licker*%sd^@#jdk :) :) :)
Fuckin' MIME shit....
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Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
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Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:44:49 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: odd seals
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3E53@ms.kallback.com>
> > And 5/4 is definitely one of my faves. The theme to Mission
> > Impossible (not the U2 version, it's in 4/4) is in 5/4, and My Wave
> by
> > Soundgarden (which I like, even if nobody else does) is in 5/4, and
> if you
> > wanna hear a REALLY cool piece of classical music that I feel my
> life's
> > goal is to do a heavy metal arrangement of, listen to Gustav Holst's
> > "Mars: Bringer of War" from "The Planets". For some 'jammers, it
> might be
> > kinda boring at first, but when it gets to the end, I think just
> about
> > everybody can appreciate it :)
> Correct me if I'm wrong (one thing I can always count on this list
> for)
> but isn't the theme to the Halloween movies in 5/4 or 7/8 or some odd
> meter?
> Trevor
Obligatory Seal content:
A penguin was driving down the road and his car broke down.
The guy at the shop said it would take a couple hours to diagnose,
so the penguin walked into town for some ice cream. Being
such a hot day, the ice cream melted all over the penguin's
face. When he got back to the auto shop the repairman said:
"It looks like you've blown a seal". To which the seal replied:
"Nah, it's just ice cream".
Bada bing, bada boom. :)
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:58:33 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Idaho's pack and release program...
Message-ID: <36F21FC9.6C1AED5@isd.net>
Baron Korganfondle wrote:
>Subject: I've been holding back this turd for 12 hours! :P
>KorgX3 needs to go let this sucker out.
Keep up the good work! you'll have that adobe hut built in no time.
NP: Steely Dan - AJA
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Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: 19 Mar 1999 11:10:36 +0100
From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Blind Guardian
Message-ID: <tku4snh3i3n.fsf@zussun4.desy.de>
Hi all,
> =09I know most jammerz have heard of the German band, Blind
> Guardian at le= ast once or twice. If you havent, i seriously
> sugest you check them out. The= y are one of the most talented
> bands out of Germany Ive heard and they have = been around for a
> pretty long damn time. Check out www.mp3.com and select heav= y
> metal from the music menu and check out some of their tunes if
> your are interested. If anyone on the Jam has any additional
> info on them....pleas= e send it my way cause ive conjured up a
> huge buttache looking for their stu= ff all over the
> place...
Well, I for a fact know that both of the guys that run BG's web page
(at www.blind-guardian.com) are two of the nicest guys that you could
ever talk to or meet. One is Pedro but I forget the other guys name
*evil grin*. Make sure to check out their web page for even more
sound samples then are on mp3.com.
Jason
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:48:07 PST
From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Queensryche
Message-ID: <19990319104807.26082.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Yeah, but why choose this sort of a name if not to imply nazi >feeling?
My only point is to know for sure whether or not they're on >the right
side. So far,I haven't been convinced at all that they're >not neo-nazi.
Oh boy,now I've seen it all...This is fucking insane!
~Jani~
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:49:30 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: A hunka hunka burnin' laser
Message-ID: <36F22BB9.7EA52617@isd.net>
Luke Bateup wrote:
>I am looking at purchasing my first burner - I'm only looking at
>purchasing a cheaper unit around $500 - $650 (Aus) - which brands are
>the best to go for? Is there any particular ones that prove better than
>the rest? I'm looking at either the Panasonic 8R4W, or Ricoh 6W2R2RW,
>are these decent?
If you are going to purchase a SCSI burner, I'd look at Plextor or Teac.
If you are going to purchase a IDE burner, HP and A-Open (Acer) come to mind...
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:00:18 -0500
From: Adriana Califano <acalifano@chubb.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Ytse-wives...
Message-ID: <36F24A62.6BCE@chubb.com>
> If you want Tico Torres, you'll have to displace Eva
> Herzigova, the wonderbra girl. I think she's his current squeeze.
They are no longer together, there=B4s a rumour she dumped him for Leonar=
do=20
de Caprio -silly, silly girl- so I think she can give it a try!
ADRIANA ;o)
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:22:56 -0000
From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche
Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E2701A5BD22@LON01XBCAPGE>
<mailto:danjohn@club-internet.fr> >
Subject: Re: Queensryche
It doesn't mean they are pro-nazi. Yet, it doesn't clear
them from where I stand.
My point is that I get suspicious when people use such terms
as reich,
<mailto:korgx3@safelink.net> >
For starters, you need to wake up. You could start running
around blaming everyone and everything of being anti-semitic if you wish.
Metallica could be neo-nazis because they covered (or wrote?) a song called
Blitzkrieg. Queensryche could be evil SS agents because of the use of the
word reich.
-oOo-
Daniel, you're going to get yourself in all sorts of trouble
if you want to start trying to litmus-test art like this. Concentration
camp commanders liked Mozart, Hitler liked Wagner and Nietzsche. (Though
Nietzsche's sister edited and spin-doctored his stuff to suit her own
anti-Semitism). The Iron Cross was devised by Schinkel, the German
Leonardo, in the early 19th century. The SS symbols were pillaged from
Nordic runes. Even the swastika comes from somewhere else.
I'd even go so far as to say that Laibach, a rather
unsavoury band from Slovenia that consciously uses Nazi imagery and makes
bad taste reference to the Third Reich, is not actually Nazi, just
free-riding on the symbolism in the worst way.
Humpty Dumpty said in 'Alice Through The Looking Glass' that
'Words mean what I want them to mean. You have to show them who's master.'
Same with symbols. 'Reich' is not a word whose meaning is tainted forever.
It's your head and your wallet. Decide for yourself what to
do with them on the basis of the music itself.
Jonathan
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:15:49 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: "Caught In a Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: FII and Tony Levin
Message-ID: <1C1B2A191E@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
>and lead break is great. On the other hand, IMHO, Petrucci was
>struggling in the lyrics department on FII (with the exception of
>LitS), and any help he received may have been well advised.
Don't let this descend into a flame war anyone (I'm sure it's been
done long before I was on this list), but: Excuse me? With the
exception of You Not Me (which had better lyrics BEFORE the re-write,
let's face it), I'd hardly call JP's lyrics on FII laboured or
anything remotely like it. Apart from YNM, d'you want to tell us
which of JP's songs are weak lyrically? Ceartainly not Hollow Years,
LItS, TAMP; arguably Peruvian Skies was a bit more metaphorical, so
other than those....Oh that's right, he didn't write any others on FII.
What're you on about (or indeed, just "on" would suffice), Brian?
>Um, did he also mention that he's going to be part of Steven Seagal's
>"solo" band? That, IMO, would be the gig to make people say that
>he's a musical whore, not Seal.
No, you silly prat; he's just a working session musician, trying to
make a living the same as all of us. Get with it! If I got offered
good money to tour with B*Witched or the f*cking Spice Girls, I'd
jump at the chance. That doesn't mean I'm a muscial whore, it just
means that I can swallow my pride enough to make a living (and that's
the ONLY motive for touring with those 2 examples...). I suggest that
you learn to do the same.
Si
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"If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year
A Man must learn to cope
If his obsession's real, suppression that he feels
Must turn to hope" -John Petrucci
s.j.dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk
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http://members.tripod.com/Lord_Ibanez/Lord_Ibanez.html
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:32:13 -0600
From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Queensryche
Message-ID: <36F251DC.CA6CD2E8@rollanet.org>
oh GAWD... you place that much emphasis in band name/lyrical content
stuff? the 'Ryche never give any impression they are *sympathetic* to that
hitler BS... go sit on the pot and ponder some more perhaps? ;)
<-----sarcasm smiley dammit!!
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:57:53 EST
From: AEllis1222@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Jeff Beck
Message-ID: <2b3a4575.36f257e1@aol.com>
I'm off to see Jeff Beck tomorrow, at the Orpheum in Boston, and much to my
surprise, it's sold out! It seems that more people than we think, remember
Jeff Beck. I mean, Satch didn't even sell the place out last time!
~~Art
> From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Jeff Beck @ SXSW
>
> OH MY GOD! I saw jeff beck last nite here in Austin for South By
> Southwest, and he stunned me to silence! All I could do was half-assedly
> clap my hands and the end of the songs, I was so blown away.
> but, jeez, I had no idea jeff beck was so modern sounding. I
> figured on a show like Clapton or Page and Plant, where everything was
> pretty old school (but still kick ass). But Beck was tapping and using his
> whammy bar like crazy, even doing those weird flutters that I'd only heard
> Ibanez players (Vai, Satch, and JP) do up till now. I used to think that
> was a secret button on the high-end Ibanez guitars ;)
You didn't know Jeff Beck was so modern sounding?? You and everybody
else it seems. Unfortunately, nobody out there seems to be aware of the
fact that Jeff Beck originated so many of the things that Satch and Vai
picked up on in the 80's (and JP in the 90's). Specifically, playing
strong melodic solos in the context of all flashy instrumental guitar
work is the kind of stuff that Beck originated back in 70's. Check out
Blow by Blow and Wired specifically to see the man in his prime.
Adam>>>>>>
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:20:03 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: "I can't wait to, welcome in a new Kurzweilennium" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Jeff Beck
Message-ID: <36F25D13.6201@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Adam:
> strong melodic solos in the context of all flashy instrumental guitar
> work is the kind of stuff that Beck originated back in 70's. Check out
> Blow by Blow and Wired specifically to see the man in his prime.
Also, if you can find it, pick up "Rough 'N Ready", which Beck put out
in '68. Contains a some more funk/jazz like grooves on there, but
there's a couple of nasty parts too.
Digital? HA! Forget about IC chips, the first transistors had just
recently been created... Turn all yer processors off, boyeeeeeeeee.
Here, you can have 'overdrive' and 'feedback' back. Let's see whatcha
got now, son? :)
DTC: Doesn't JP just make a TUBE seem so modern? :)
Oh yeah, had some drummer on there too, nothing special, he was ok :)
Maybe some would know OF him? His name was Cozy Powell (RIP).
Regards,
Jon
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"May your shit come to life and kiss you on the face." -- Frank Zappa
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:56:47 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: The Planets in The Divine Wings?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9903191154160.31903-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> <<You guys heard Symphony X's The Divine Wings of Tragedy yet? That is,
> IMO the best metal use of "The Planets" to date.>>
>
> What part of this song has peices of "The Planets" in it? I checked the liner
> notes and it doesnt say.
Right after the choir part in the beginning. The first notes of guitar you
hear... Actually, it's the main theme of the whole song.
And no, it isn't in the liner notes, because it's not QUITE the same...
but it's close...
Cheers
Zaphod
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:29:10 +0200
From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re:Queensryche
Message-ID: <199903191428.QAA27137@nefeli.forthnet.gr>
>> OH GOD.......how can you get suspicious about Q, since they've created
the
>> masterpiece "Operation: mindcrime"? Have you read at least once the
lyrics
>> of this album? Please do......
>Of course, I have! But you can understand them two ways, depending on
>which side you
>stand. It's quite tendentious.
What's the second way? I'd like to hear that....
>I haven't been convinced at all that they're not neo-nazi.
>Nothing in their attitude, and nothing in their music or lyrics place
>them clearly
>on one side. From where I stand, their motivations to choose this name
>are quite blurry.
>And these very arguments are even used by extreme right wing throughout
>the world.
>It doesn't mean they are pro-nazi. Yet, it doesn't clear them from where
>I stand.
since you mentioned that right-wing thing, I think the first word that
comes into my mind when I read the lyrics of OM is LEFT....what do you
expect, that they go around yelling "fuck nazis" to prove they're not? And
lose their skinhead fans?(jus' kidding about this one...:-))
Matej Grginic :
>Actually that song was named when Petrucci's wife's water broke :)
that's the best I've ever heard the past 2 weeks :-))))))
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:30:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
To: DT list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: shirley and aerosmith
Message-ID: <19990319143044.13701.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
>From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
>To: ytsejam@axnet.net
>Subject: re: shirley
>Message-ID: <19990318183443.8811.qmail@hotmail.com>
>well.. i think we can all agree that Aerosmith just isn't Aerosmith
>anymore.. i mean .. there's a big difference between "chip away at the
>stone" and this Crazy/Amazing/EverythingSoundsTheSame shit..
>but that seems to be synonimous with you point on Shirley..
>full sound.. but yeah.. bland..
I'm not saying whether newer aerosmith or older aerosmith is better,
but Aerosmith had some lousy albums before their revival which started
with Love in an Elevator. I think the band financially is definitely
doing better and they are a lot more "popular" nowdays as well. Bands
want to be successful to some degree and with Aerosmith, someone must
be doing something right.
The question is whether Shirley is right for DT...
NP:nothing but the hum of this computer...
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:54:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990319035351.20370A-100000@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> Leonardo, in the early 19th century. The SS symbols were pillaged from
> Nordic runes. Even the swastika comes from somewhere else.
Heck, it's a backwards Buddhist symbol. That's right up there with Hitler
being neither blue-eyed OR blond-haired...
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:26:17 -0500
From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4755
Message-ID: <199903191514.KAA07556@bajor.ici.net>
> Yeah, but why choose this sort of a name if not to imply nazi feeling ? My
> only point is to know for sure whether or not they're on the right side.
The "right" side? You mean YOUR side, right?
Let me explain something. If simply using the word "reich" makes
someone a Nazi sympathizer, then you must be one, because that
word has been sprinkled throughout your posts.
See how silly that sounds? I hate people who try to assign hidden
meanings and agendas to language. They're just words - by
themselves they are harmless. Show me any ACTIONS by the
band that would back you up and I'll think about it.
~Pat says "dick" a lot, so he must be one.
___Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
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write, it should be hard to understand.
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