YTSEJAM Digest 4759
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Queensryche
by "Charlie Galindo" <charlie_2112@hotmail.com>
2) re your web site
by URTI3314@yahoo.com
3) 9/8 and Century Media's cheap cd's
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
4) Re: nazis
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) BG's Reich
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
6) Re: super groups
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
7) Re: 9/8 and Century Media's cheap cd's
by <dthomas@best.com>
8) CDNow vouchers...
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
9) Nazis
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
10) Re: CDNow vouchers...
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
11) Re: Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche NDTC
by AEllis1222@aol.com
12) My mistake (the 9/8 discussion)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Win Korg Stein's Money!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Jeff Beck-NDTC, obviously
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
15) MOTLEY CRUE/CO-WRITING
by JKorby1973@aol.com
16) HOON/COBAIN....
by JKorby1973@aol.com
17) Ryche's Reich, and Godwin's Law.
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
18) QueensRYCHE
by Awake77@aol.com
19) Beatles and Jeff Beck can eat Jason Becker for a snack
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:18:09 PST
From: "Charlie Galindo" <charlie_2112@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Queensryche
Message-ID: <19990320011810.7958.qmail@hotmail.com>
DragynLMC3@aol.com wrote:
>reich (noun), plural reichs [German] empire, kindom
I suppose that is kind of appropriate as their most popular album (to
the best of my knowledge...note, I did not say 'best') is "Empire."
Hmm... what foresight.... A lot of their stuff does refer to empires,
but not Nazi ones. But parts of this thread have been pretty funny.
Charlie Galindo
"Paranoia is a disease unto itself, and may I add, the person standing
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:17:08
From: URTI3314@yahoo.com
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Subject: re your web site
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:17:10 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 9/8 and Century Media's cheap cd's
Message-ID: <36F30526.71155E09@ucla.edu>
I've never been in a rock band, which half of you will think
disqualifies me from knowing anything, but in orchestra, it wasn't all
too rare to find a few measures of 9/8 stuck in the middle of a 4/4
piece. Once we even played a suite where one part was written entirely
in wither 9/4 or 9/8, I can't remember. It's not always like 3 measures
of 3/8 stuck together, which is basically like a measure of 3/4 with
each beat composed of triplets. Most of the time I encountered measures
of 9, they were either 4+5 or 5+4, not 3+3+3.
As for Century Media, they have an extensive online catalogue. I
browser though it for 10 minutes and didn't reach the end. I found
Awake for $8, which I thought was amusing. but the downside is this is
one of those places where you may have to wait 6-8 weeks for delivery.
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:29:41 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: nazis
Message-ID: <199903200229.SAA03752@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Joshua Rasiel thus begged:
>
>Now, I think it's pretty unlikely that QR is a nazi band. But it's not
>fair to skewer someone for pointing out that their name is CLEARLY
>reminiscent of that whole, you know, nazi type deal.
The truth is... Queensryche is referring to Hitler's mom... she was the true
power behind the whole Nazi movement... they knew the truth...
The 'Empire' album is all about his mom's empire if they had won the war.
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:34:47 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: BG's Reich Message-ID: <199903200227.VAA23762@maila.wm.edu>
>From: Compadre32@aol.com [BG] >If anyone on the Jam has any additional info on them....please send it my way cause ive conjured >up a huge buttache looking for their stuff all over the place...Thanks to anyone that can help.... Jason beat me to it, but yeah, your best bet for finding reliable information (not to mention a cool site :) is their homepage maintained by him and that Pedro guy. I believe it's www.blind-guardian.com, although my bookmark for it has breitweg.desy.de or something on it, I believe that's the old domain or something... as I ramble on making myself look stupid - hey, my monitor blew up earlier this week, I can't even check out what's on my own hard drive. So yeah, check out that page, if any of my URLs are faulty run a search, it comes up. It's pretty kickass, with a whole buttload of soundsamples now, news, etc... my personal one-stop shop for BG needs! :)
>On Blind Gaurdian: They are _really_ marketing themselves through mp3.com, >aren't they? I've only downloaded 2 mp3's of them, and they aren't >metal/prog/anything like that (at least from what I've heard).
Not metal? Oh come ON!! What are you getting off on? If you can't categorize them as metal, then none of all the other pigeon-holing jammers could find a category for these guys. Geez!
----------------------------- >My point is that I get suspicious when people use such terms as reich, >which means, in case you don't know, "Empire" in german...
Alright, I know I'm a bit late with this since the can of worms is already opened, but let it die already... if someone jumps up and down pointing and shouting "nazi!" just b/c Reich is used somewhere, then that should speak for itself. It's at the point where just about anything German is construed as evil. Give it a rest. This is a music list; take your ethical issues and qualms elsewhere, please.
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:03:34 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> Subject: Re: super groups Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9903192201430.2957-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Actually, they were more of a failed attempt for a King Crimson > reunion. It might have happened, too, but Fripp wouldn't join, so Allan > Holdsworth decided to. Good music, but it would be interesting to think > what would've happened had Fripp joined. Would the music be a precursor > to the '80s King Crimson, a holdover from the '73-'74 KC, somewhere in > between, or something else entirely? One wonders.
Actually, that's not the case. Here's a passage from John Wetton's book, "My Own Time", on page 65:
"..the premise was that John would bring in a musician of his choice, and Bill wound do the same. So, John called upon Eddie Jobson and Bill got guitarist Allan Holdsworth, and that brought U.K. into existence."
- mike.
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: <dthomas@best.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: 9/8 and Century Media's cheap cd's Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9903191858070.20490-100000@fpage2.ba.best.com>
I've never heard one positive thing about Century Media's shipping time. Has this changed, or are you still better of maybe paying a dollar or two more and getting the CDs before the sun goes away? I bought a lot of CDs from these guys at Powermad, but you didn't have to worry about delivery problems there.
Of course, I've had good luck finding CM releases at Rasputin's in Campbell, so maybe I won't have to go the MO route anyway. Although the CDs are more expensive in the store. Hmm, I think my indecisive yammer has probably annoyed many of you, so I'll stop now.
Well, actually, I won't. I saw that there might be an Angra tour. While I think this is great, I can't believe the band would come all this way, as unless you're really plugged into the metal underground of the internet, there's no way you've heard of them. I can't see how the band will make any money on such a tour, unless CM or some other company has huge promotional plans. Just my feeble thoughts.
DT www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:10:12 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CDNow vouchers... Message-ID: <36F31194.9AEEA9DF@winshop.com.au>
Hello,
Not too long ago someone posted a website that tracked CDNOw and other online music store vouchers. I seem to have to lost the URL and can't find it by searching major engines.
Can someone please repost the URL.
Cheers,
Luke.
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:32:10 +0200 From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Nazis Message-ID: <199903200331.FAA06263@nefeli.forthnet.gr>
>> The Nazis were >> the German socialist party. Socialism is politically LEFT, not right. >> About the only thing the Nazis were to the right of were the >> communists. :-) >That's probably the greatest shit I've ever heard! (since the QR=nazi debate). >The word social in the name Nationalsozialistische Partei Deutschlands >certainly doesn't mean they're left!! Why do you think they >asassinated/executed/killed hundreds and thousands of members of the Kommunist >Party (KPD) and the Socialist Party (SPD)??? Certainly not because they were >also left socialists!! BS (Adrian replies to Pat)
I'm totally covered by those above. Pat's pointless (and incorrect) remarks do nothing but distract us from the original subject.....though I think enough's been said 'bout this.
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:36:55 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: CDNow vouchers... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990319193652.008d14e0@postoffice.pacbell.net>
At 07:27 PM 3/19/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Hello, > >Not too long ago someone posted a website that tracked CDNOw and other >online music store vouchers. I seem to have to lost the URL and can't >find it by searching major engines. > >Can someone please repost the URL.
http://esmarts.com/music/music_coupons.html
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:36:10 EST From: AEllis1222@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche NDTC Message-ID: <cd6dd7d5.36f317aa@aol.com>
> From: Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> Heck, it's a backwards Buddhist symbol. That's right up there with Hitler > being neither blue-eyed OR blond-haired...
.and half Jewish. :-)>>>>>>
That reminds me of something I found rather funny. The Boston Globe ran a story on a kid I went to High School with, who had started a Neo-Nazi group in college, the "Knights of Freedom" (www.kof.net). The thing I found most funny, is the kid IS Jewish! Following in Hitler's footsteps he is . . .and right into his grave. I suggest you guys with a sense of humor go to his website, and look for a picture of him, he looks so ridiculous. A kid once named Andrew Greenbaum, dressed up as a Nazi.
~~Art
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:07:35 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: My mistake (the 9/8 discussion) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990319230311.9035B-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 Calvin6S@aol.com wrote:
> > As for the 9/8, that is ALWAYS supposed to go 1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3, > > because it's a compound meter with triplets. > > WRONG ............... That is the traditional way of feeling it. To > use the term ALWAYS is when you screwed yourself over. Time signatures > are here to serve us, not the other way around. When people get past > the idea that theory is here to help us not hinder us, then you have > LEARNED theory.
Whoops, that was a mistake of mine. I should have said "has always traditionally gone 1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3" and not what I really did say. However, I WILL say this much: If you're reading something in 9/8, I'll give you dollars to doughnuts that it will probably be a three-beat feel in triplets. Technically, if you're going to be writing something different, you should be using a different sig. For instance, if you want it to sound 1-2-3-4-5 1-2-3-4 or something, you'd write it as 5/8 4/8 (one of those Godawful double time-sigs - I hate 'em).
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:37:42 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Win Korg Stein's Money! Message-ID: <004401be728b$6a9c4780$5c0d84d0@default>
> With the massive postings on Tori Amos, i felt left out and >decided to try her out.
Hey, man, I'm in line before you. After I'm done all Tori riders will be offered a chance to sit on Herr Korgluch's lap and tell him all of their secret sexual fantasies. Perhaps Herr Korgluch will sneak into your bedroom and commit various acts of obscenity for you on Xmas (substitute the X for a swastika and lighten up).
>store and ordered LTE. Then i tried to order some Symphony X & Ocean >Machine. Are these bands on the same label? He said he thought the
Let's see... Ocean Machine is on a small label called HevyDevy Records and you'll basically have to mail order it from them or pay a shitload to get your hands it from MusicBlvd. Hevy Devy records URL is http://members.home.net/hevydevy/
Symph X is a band from New Jersey I believe, but they've only actually played on their native soil a handful of times. They're not on a domestic US label, so you will have to order their albums from an import distributor. As I remember, http://www.moremetal.com/ has a good deal for them. Just get the German releases as the Japanese ones will likely demand your firstborn child in advance as payment.
> After reviewing the statements by both sides, I have decided that I can >no longer listen to virtuoso composer Steve Reich anymore. Once I learned
And no more Burt Bacharach either. That rach at the end of his name is VERY suspicious sounding.
>Manuel 'Dryheat'
Ew. Isn't there a salve you can apply to cure that?
>fair to skewer someone for pointing out that their name is CLEARLY >reminiscent of that whole, you know, nazi type deal.
Well, if listening to Queensryche dredges up painful memories of your visit to Auschewitz, I'm sorry, but I have to agree with everyone else that says "reich" is only a word and not an event. Say "Third Reich" and I'll say nazi's. Say "Queensryche" and I'll say bees. I always pictured the Queen of the Reich to be a giant bumblebee ordering her servants to harvest pollen from flowers and build large wax hexagonal fortresses. I can't relate that the the Third Reich at all. *shrugs* Some people say I'm weird. I just think I'm gay. -- KorgX3 is founder of the militant wing of the Peace Corp. NP: Seal: Human Being
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:33:41 +0700 From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jeff Beck-NDTC, obviously Message-ID: <36F34F55.A17E0CAB@pacific.net.ph>
Anyone have opinions or reviews on Beck's(Jeff) new album?
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:23:55 EST From: JKorby1973@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: MOTLEY CRUE/CO-WRITING Message-ID: <44269d0.36f34d0b@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-03-19 04:08:38 EST, you write:
<< They could also write a good rock/pop song too- W/O the > help that Aerosmith, Bon Jovi or Motley Crue had w/ Desmond Child or Bob > Rock. (Not that those bands are better or worse.) My point-Poison has Correction. Take Motley Crue out of there. Save the cover songs (Helter Skelter and Jailhouse Rock), the tunes were all written by either Nikki Sixx or co-written by some of his bandmates. (Okay, Feelgood was largely a Mick Mars venture.) That's one of the reasons I still hold the Crue in high regard: unlike Bon Jovi, Kiss, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper etc., they could pull off some sicko stuff without Desmond Child, Diane Warren, or Joan Jett writing for them. So, stick to facts. >>
Oops. You're right. I confused "producer" with "co-writer" when I mentioned the Crue. By the way, what popular bands did Joan Jett write for?? You threw me for a loop on that one! - JK
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:37:49 EST From: JKorby1973@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: HOON/COBAIN.... Message-ID: <10e23960.36f3504d@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-03-19 20:25:20 EST, you write:
<< So by rejoicing in Hoon's death are you sharing the feelings of Mike Portnoy or are you sharing the feelings of the record company? Hell if I know, I'm not Portnoy. I sincerely hope Portnoy doesn't rejoice in the death of Hoon. I'm going to GUESS (hope) that the latter was Portnoy's point considering it was the theme of the the rest of the song. >>
GOOD POINT! WELL PUT MY FRIEND!
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:40:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Ytsejam: Where Dream and Flames Unite" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Ryche's Reich, and Godwin's Law. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.990320023549.23075A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
I'm invoking Godwin's law on the Ryche thread, thusly killing it. Please let it die. For those who don't know what it means, search www.lycos.com for www.godwin.com, and Mosh.has.no.penis. That should help you out.
-jeremy
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:00:09 EST From: Awake77@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: QueensRYCHE Message-ID: <fd65628.36f35589@aol.com>
Jesus Christ and the 12 aplolstles already, shut the hell up about the QR/Nazi thing. Reich means EMPIRE, in German. Maybe when they though of the band name they just thought is sounded cool? Did any of you over-analytical morons think of that? Most of Queensryche's music is against Government control and senseless killing! I have never hear of anything so stupid on this mailing list yet.
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:33:00 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Beatles and Jeff Beck can eat Jason Becker for a snack Message-ID: <36F3957C.7672C114@mol.com.mk>
> From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> > Subject: Jeff Beck @ SXSW > > OH MY GOD! I saw jeff beck last nite here in Austin ... Southwest, > and he stunned me to silence! All I could do was half-assedly > clap my hands and the end of the songs, I was so blown away.... > but, jeez, I had no idea jeff beck was so modern sounding.
As a matter of fact, Beck is influence to a lot of modern guitarist! He was one of the pioneers in fusion, the one who started to pull off some weird sounds out of his guitar! I remember when I was a huge Zep fan, and read an article where the dude was making comparitions between Beck and Page, and stated that Beck is better! I was quite angry ("Who the heck is this Beck punk? Nah, Page is god!") But from my present perspective I can admit that Beck was really better! Hmmm, yeah, I think he is even better than Jason Becker! :) WAY better!
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