YTSEJAM Digest 4763
Today's Topics:
1) Meanings behind music
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
2) Aerosmith
by JKorby1973@aol.com
3) Message/Purpose in LTE / JP's feeling
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
4) Queensryche
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
5) MR.BIG & RICHIE KOTZEN RUMORS.....
by JKorby1973@aol.com
6) RUSH breakup rumor
by JE78674@ltu.edu
7) classical music
by Alex Smith <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
8) Good programs for creating CD liners? (NDTC)
by "Paul Humm" <phumm@scientech.com>
9) NEW DREAM THEATER PAGE!!!!
by vecchio@satlink.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4762
by mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org>
11) Re: Good programs for creating CD liners? (NDTC)
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
12) 1313 Mockingbird Lane.
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) Re: 1313 Mockingbird Lane.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) JP Clinic, 3/24
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
15) Petrucci & Idiot Symphony
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
16) Vote for Labrie, and I'll set you free
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
17) Event and Crucible 03/19/99
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:56:35 -0500
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Meanings behind music
Message-ID: <4.1.19990322184739.00954de0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
>I finally checked out Chromakey.com. And KevMo says that he once
>wnated to collaborate with Tori AMos...
"collaborate with," hehehe. Guess that's one word for it....Yeah, I
remember Kev's "fantasy" that showed up in Metal Edge or some other such
mag: "Me and Tori Amos on top of a grand piano". :) :)
Joe B. said:
>Why does it need a message? I don't recall a whole lot of meaningful
>lyrics in any Beethoven symphonies...
No, but remember that Beethoven made sure to NAME the movements in his
Sixth (Pastorale) Symphony (one of my all-time favorite classical pieces),
because he wanted to make sure that the musicologists and critics would get
the message: "Yes, there is in fact intended to be a STORY behind this
music". :)
As for meanings behind instrumental music, or all music in general, here's
a quote from Aaron Copland that might help put things into perspective:
"The whole problem can be stated quite simply by asking, 'Is there a
meaning to music?' My answer would be, 'Yes.' And 'Can you state in so many
words what the meaning is?" My answer to that would be, 'No.' "
Something to think about....
Cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter
Check out the Glass Hammer website at http://www.glasshammer.com/
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:13:53 EST
From: JKorby1973@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Aerosmith
Message-ID: <e9c2d4bd.36f6dcc1@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-03-21 22:32:25 EST, you write:
><< They could also write a good rock/pop song too- W/O the
> > help that Aerosmith, Bon Jovi or Motley Crue had w/ Desmond Child or Bob
> > Rock. (Not that those bands are better or worse.) My point-Poison has
>
<< can't think of a subject title because i think this is stupid...you're
knocking guys because they performed someone else's song??? You know, maybe
they just LIKED the fucker or someone paid them a lot of money to do it,
why the hell knock them for it????, I'd do "Hit Me Baby One More Time" if
someone paid me enough...hehe. Poison was pure pop-fluff metal...not saying
they were horrible, i'd take them any day over creed.... I ignored this
thread until I saw an attack on Aerosmth, which happens to be my 3rf fav
band after DT and the Ryche(which this thread that has been going on has
boggled my mind with the stupidity of anyone who didn't have the brains to
read a few lyrics to realize they're about as anti-power government and war
as any band can be).
I'm sure I'll get some response from people who hate Aerosmith, just
because they either can't get over their jealousy of them or are too
close-minded to like anything that doesn't have ten million time signature
changes, huge long keyboard solos, or they hate a band that will put out an
album full of 4 minute long radio friendly songs. There's nothing wrong
with any of these, but there is indeed a place for just some good old rock
and roll, and NOBODY does that better than Aerosmith IMO. If you listen to
"Walk This Way" and can't feel the groove in
that song, check your pulse...:) >>
I'm not sure if you were directing this towards me, but since I was the one
you quoted, I figured I'd respond. I wasn't ripping on Aerosmith or any other
band that uses outside writers, I was just using them as an example that even
the best groups sometimes write w/ people outside of the band, but Poison
chose not to. Obviously that doesn't mean they're better, but just that they
were talented in that area. Aerosmith's long career proves that they don't
need anyone else to write for them if they don't want to. And just so you
know, I agree with every word you wrote. Later!
- JK
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:34:12 -0500
From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Message/Purpose in LTE / JP's feeling
Message-ID: <36F6E183.DD75ECA9@ic3.ithaca.edu>
Allow me to come out of lurk mode...I've been reading the past few jams
and I feel the need to say something. In my never-ending quest to turn
as many people onto DT as possible, I've run into a lot of people that
are idiots or who just really piss me off. Now maybe as a musician and
a fan of DT, Rush, Yes, Maiden, Zappa, etc. (you get the picture) I have
a different idea of what is good.
So rewind to like last week and I'm sitting with my friend's g/f, who,
by the way is a hippie, much like everyone else at my school. And she's
trying to explain to me how incredible Neil Young is. Now, in my
opinion, I think he sucks and I don't care how 'spiritual' (as she put
it) his lyrics are, I find the 3 same open chords in every song to be
extremely unoriginal and boring. And then there was some guy on the jam
who said someone asked him about LTE's message or purpose? Their
purpose is to jam with their favorite musicians and create beautiful
music...some people out there just can't understand that. If I want a
message or purpose, I'd rather go read some poetry. And don't get me
wrong, I think lyrics are somewhat important...there are some bands I
listen to with very inspiring lyrics like Marillion (w/Fish of course),
Dream Theater, Queensryche and Bruce Dickinson. But I think other
things are just as and sometimes more important. Why do some people
feel that there has to be a message or a purpose or some DEEP UNDERLYING
CONCEPT for the music to be good?
Furthermore, I saw someone posting about ballads in LTE, and I don't
know exactly what he was saying but it made me think of something else.
Sometimes when I play DT to people I hear shit like JP has no feeling,
so he sucks, unlike Paige, Hendrix, Clapton, Government Mule, Phish,
blah blah blah blah (you get the picture). No offense to these players
(even though Paige can't play in key if his life depended on it and
Hendrix may have influenced many but he is WAY overrated as a guitar
player). But I think lots of people out there think feeling means
vibrato/bending guitar playing with more blues influence than anything
else...and that pisses me off. I saw JP do a clinic in CT last week and
I'm going again in PA on Wed., and he did "State of Grace" and I heard
just as much feeling in that than I hear in any Hendrix song. The fact
is that all these players are human and none of their music is souless
or mindless, but each guitar player channels those feelings and emotions
in a different way.
AHHHHH!!!!!! It felt so good to get that out! HENDRIX IS DEAD !!!!
MOVE ON!!!!
~Chris
-- "Every reason I risk my life To come back to you Is locked behind your door You're my immunity Outside I watched you burn Heavy hearts were bleeding A cry for help, a familiar voice My melting hands streaked the glass"- Dream Theater '89
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:41:43 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Queensryche Message-ID: <36F6E347.79622771@ic3.ithaca.edu>
This is for any of you assholes who think Queensryche is a racist band. Grow up. The got their name from their first song, Queen of the Reich. They changed the 'reich' to a 'ryche' just because they didn't want idiots like you to think they were the sons of Hitler. If you still want to be fucking idiots, go here:
http://www.firesky.com/rja/bts/thebeginning.htm
~Chris -- "Every reason I risk my life To come back to you Is locked behind your door You're my immunity Outside I watched you burn Heavy hearts were bleeding A cry for help, a familiar voice My melting hands streaked the glass"
- Dream Theater '89
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:09:57 EST From: JKorby1973@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: MR.BIG & RICHIE KOTZEN RUMORS..... Message-ID: <31dea72c.36f6e9e5@aol.com>
I was just on Eric Martin's webpage and yes... it's true. Richie Kotzen is replacing Paul Gilbert in Mr. Big. They're heading into the studio and will be ready to tour by New Years Eve 2000. I like Mr. Big, Paul Gilbert, and Richie Kotzen, I don't know why they'd want to get back together out of the blue w/o Paul Gilbert though. Oh well, this ain't the first incomplete reunion we've seen. Should be an interesting album. ATTN ALL MR.BIG MEMBERS-- DO NOT LEAVE RICHIE KOTZEN ALONE WITH YOUR WIVES/GIRLFRIENDS!!! hehehe - JK np: Richie Kotzen' Presents The Mother Head's Family Reunion
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@axnet.net Subject: RUSH breakup rumor Message-ID: <01J95690PN7M8WXKZ1@LTU.EDU>
Hey Jammers,
I have heard a disturbing rumor that Neil Peart has announced that RUSH will be no more.
I very much want this to be false. If anyone else has heard anything remotely close to this rumor from a reliable source, please post it!
RUSH just can't quit......
-Jeff E.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:20:24 -0700 From: Alex Smith <bacchus@azstarnet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: classical music Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990322182024.0081b470@pop.azstarnet.com>
Hey, ye Jammers,
Since many of us DT fans also appear to be at least somewhat into classical music, I'm conducting an informal poll of your favorite composers/compositions. These could stretch from Renaissance music or whatever all the way up to Philip Glass and Steve Reich. Please, e-mail me privately (not the list!), and tell me your favorite composers/works.
Here are mine:
Beethoven -- everything.... especially the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 9th symphonies, the 4th and 5th piano concertos, the Missa Solemnis, the "Pathetique", "Moonlight", "Appasionata", "Waldstein" piano sonatas, his violin concerto, on and on and on!
Dvorak -- 7th and 9th symphonies, "American" string quartet
Bach -- Brandenburg Concertos
Debussy -- Prelude to the Whatever of a Faun, La Mer
Ravel -- Bolero (I'll never be able to get this out of my head!)
Stravinsky -- Rite of Spring (man, they should play this on ROCK radio!)
Steve Reich -- Music for 18 Musicians
Philip Glass -- Glassworks, Koyaanisqatsi (simply amazing)
Well, there you go....
Just PLEASE don't send your answers to the list....
NP: MP3 of "Take the Time" live at the Foundation Forum with Jordan Rudess (sp?). AWESOME! NextP: MP3 of Dire Straits' "Money for Nothing" (I want my... I want my... I want my MTV) (Don't stand... Don't stand so... Don't stand so close to me)
Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com
"Hold on, you have gambled with your own life And you face the night alone While the builders of the cages Sleep with bullets, bars, and stone They do not see your road to freedom That you build with flesh and bone." -Peter Gabriel
"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. Music is the electrical soil in which the spirit lives, thinks, and invents." -Ludwig van Beethoven
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:29:46 -0800 From: "Paul Humm" <phumm@scientech.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Good programs for creating CD liners? (NDTC) Message-ID: <199903230129.SAA09622@if.scientech.com>
Does anyone know of a good program or template for creating jewel case liners for CDs? Shareware or freeware would be preferable.
Please respond by private e-mail. Thanks.
-Paul
------------- Paul Humm phumm@scientech.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:35:21 -0300 From: vecchio@satlink.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: NEW DREAM THEATER PAGE!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990322223521.006e06b0@mail.satlink.com>
Please! Visit my page at: http://webs.satlink.com/usuarios/v/vecchio/ they have a nice MP3 file of Dream Theater, is a Elton John song called "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road".
Thank You!
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:15:52 -0500 From: mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4762 Message-ID: <001c01be74db$76c78680$9955d2ab@hp-customer>
>She's probably one of those people who has to find the symbolism in >everything, even when there's none there. Has it ever occured to her that >maybe - just MAYBE now - LTE didn't want to say anything with their music? >Maybe they just wanted to get together and jam and have a good time and let >everyone else hear the results, with no implied message, with no personal >agenda, just four guys who play really well getting together and having a >good time? Stranger things have happened (like Kid-Rock getting a record >deal). :)
This idea rather bothers me... I've always tried to figure out why the particular musical techniques were used on a song -- and what the meaning behind the music is. If the instrumental bits in "Surrounded" aren't meant to convey a theme, then perhaps that infamous review were DT is referred to as a potential "musical masturbaters" group is accurate. I'm not advocating the overanalysis of the music, but if the music isn't intended to convey an emotion, or feeling (as instrumentals like "Hell's Kitchen" and "Lost Without You" do -- both invoke in me distinct feelings through the sound,) then what, really, is the purpose? Titles become next to irrelevant (unless it's something like "This is the Bit Where JP and I Kick Ass.") If music doesn't rise in me emotions, then it's not really something I can find myself listening to -- and lyrics are not a prerequisite. I'm reminded of listening to Brahms with a friend and watching her begin to cry because the music was so moving... Music that conveys little or exceedingly trite emotion is not something I listen to for the sake of listening - it's background noise, not music, as far as I'm concerned. I like Aerosmith -- but the majority of their songs aren't really something I find myself enjoying *listening to*. I enjoy *hearing* the songs, but not listening to them... That's something I have always enjoyed about DT. The bits in, as previously mentioned, "Lie" and "Space-Dye Vest" and "Learning to Live" have
always conveyed a thematically consistent feeling in me. "Wait for Sleep" is another prime example -- as are most of the songs put out by DT. Granted, aCoS gets a bit vague in places, but I think that's just my fault... I've felt for a long time that DT manages to keep a feeling throughout the time changes, and the key signatures, and everything they do in each song -- the feeling is consistent with a theme, and the theme is, in most cases, very emotionally poignant for me.
Hm. I think I should have stuck a few paragraphs in there, instead of allowing it to overflow into one single line... ah, what the hell.
mjt -- "Love is an act of blood and I'm bleeding A pool in the shape of a heart." -- Kevin Moore of Dream Theater, "Space-Dye Vest" ICQ: 3856787
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Good programs for creating CD liners? (NDTC) Message-ID: <199903230507.AAA01350@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in Paul Humm's basement typed:
> Does anyone know of a good program or template for creating jewel > case liners for CDs? Shareware or freeware would be preferable.
Now that I'm on line again (God, I love this cable modem stuff), this is probably a good time to start plugging my little open-source programming project again. While I don't have anything to do CD booklets yet, I do have software (that is still very much in development) to make cool cassette j-cards. It's for Linux, naturally. Anyone that cares to look, download, make suggestions, mail me diff files, etc, can check out http://www.dreamt.org/d-man/dSoft/jcard.html. Maybe someday I'll get around to hacking it up to do CD case things. -d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:48:15 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: 1313 Mockingbird Lane. Message-ID: <36F72B1F.F0643D37@isd.net>
Simon John Dodd whined: >Did you know that there is a gay porn movie house called The Dream >Theater? They play all those old Al Lewis & Fred Gwynne skin flicks. {Oh gawd, this brings back to mind that aul thread about two guys {kissing on 5YIaL...I think the only the we never worked out was why {anybody cared
Oh please! Do even have a clue who Al Lewis & Fred Gwynne are?
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: 1313 Mockingbird Lane. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990323010708.18437A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote:
> Oh please! Do even have a clue who Al Lewis & Fred Gwynne are?
Well, I don't know about Al Lewis, but I do know that Fred Gwynne played Herman Munster and was in the TV series "Car 54, Where Are You?" too. I'm sure he did other old TV as well... All that old Nick At Nite stuff.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ _Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Once I wept for I had no shoes, and then I met a man who had no feet. So I took his shoes. I mean, it's not like HE needed them, right? -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:03:35 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, themirror@egroups.com Subject: JP Clinic, 3/24 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990323020335.008f6df4@postoffice.ptd.net>
I will be there early. E-mail me if you want to meet up ... u know the deal ... Later!
~Brian
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:39:44 +0200 From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Petrucci & Idiot Symphony Message-ID: <199903231039.MAA24156@nefeli.forthnet.gr>
Anyone know if there's an mp3 of "Demands of honor" out there? (JP appears in this song)The Idiot Symphony site seems to have almost every track except this one.... BTW, Idiot Symphony are very interesting, check them out (www.idiotsymphony.com)
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:20:54 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Tounge In Cheek Recipients <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Vote for Labrie, and I'll set you free Message-ID: <36F7A346.19A1@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
10 points to the person who can identify the musical reference contained in the subject line. 5 points for artist, 5 for the song, -15 points for identifying the genre :P
Progtologist: > ToxicSheep wrote: > >The URL I posted was wrong....Thanks to Adrian, its- > >I forgot the 'e' last time. > >So go place your votes for James! :) > > C'mon people! James only has 28 votes. he's about 1500 from first place.
/me presses vote - 568 3% James LaBrie of Dream Theater
/me MMMMMMMMMMMMMM_re-loads and presses vote again - 569 3% James LaBrie of Dream Theater
WOW!!!! KEWWWWWELLLLL!!!
> Here, I'll make it easy: http://www.freevote.com/booth/favemale
Here, I'll make it trivial :)
Hmmm....I wonder if, for example, I liked Eddie Vedder better, how long it would take sitting there all day from the same address and pressing Das Bote Vutton, to rack up 1500 votes, hhehehee....better yet, I wonder if I could go full-on-geek and write a script to do it for me, thereby freeing up my other hand :)
Naw, two votes are enough. One for studio work, and one for live performance :)
Regards, Jon
"May your shit come to life and kiss you on the face." -- Zappa
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: event@dreamt.org, Subject: Event and Crucible 03/19/99 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.990320225641.26360C-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Those of you who chose not to go to the Event show last Saturday night missed one hell of an Event (pardon the pun). Event and Crucible are two of the best prog bands New England has to offer, and they didn't disappoint. Event opened up first at about 9:30 or so. The crowd wasn't very large, which was a bummah, because people missed a great show. Event played a 9 song set, which included everything on Electric Skies, except A Sky Full of Stars. They also played two killer jams, one at the end of the Weatherman, and the other one at the end of Walk On, I think (I'm wrong, aren't I, Matt?). Event played with it's usual panache and style, with their killer riffs, groovy bass, great singing, and intricate drum playing.
Crucible came on at about 11ish. They played two songs, Over the Falls from Tall Tales, and a cover (the name escapes me). They sounded awesome, and I was hoping for a longer show, but fate intervened, and we got to see something special. It turned out the wife of the lead guitarist of Crucible, Dan Esposito, was in labor, and he had to book to the hospital, or miss all of the fun. So, Shaun Michaud from Event stepped in to play a bunch of covers with the rest of Crucible. They played a bunch of tunes (from Peter Gabriel to some cool bluesy jams). I thought it was a great job, and the jam that Shaun and the drummer and bassist from Crucible did was very awesome. Thanks for a great time, guys!
Event's next show is coming up on the 3rd of April at the Tiki Hut at Leominster. Be there or don't! Go to www.mysticfishook.com to check out their web page!
-jeremy
+================================================================+ "Who's the soapbox derby king? Who's the soapbox derby king?" Vikings WR Cris Carter to Vikings WR Randy Moss on an ESPN commercial Minnesota Vikings: 1998 NFC Central Divison Champs!!!! +================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum, Assistant System Manager & Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University/jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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