YTSEJAM Digest 4767
Today's Topics:
1) Bach?
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
2) New Jim Matheos solo CD sample...
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
3) collaberating
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4766
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4766
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
6) Re: NEVERMORE/ICED EARTH/ DESTINY'sEND tour
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
7) Re: NEVERMORE/ICED EARTH/ DESTINY'sEND tour
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) Best male singer
by Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr>
9) Re:Tensing up when playing fast... What to work on...
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
10) The Mob
by Chris <Chris.Livingstone@wolfson.co.uk>
11) Meaning in music
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) Cynical Pearts sucking LTE.
by "Stone Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) NDTC: Ocean Machine and Heart Palpitations
by "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca>
14) meaning. purpose. wasting my time
by Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
15) uk, stones
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
16) Speaking of Queensryche...
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
17) Petrucci's voice
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
18) Re: Petrucci's voice
by Carlos Alfaro <progboy@mindless.com>
19) LITS & WDATU available for download at LITS
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
20) Vote for Labrie and set me free
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:50:33 -0500
From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Bach?
Message-ID: <06504657747598@twave.net>
> In FACT, Ludvy was one of the most forward thinking composers OF ALL
> TIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEME! He named the movements so that Search Engines
> would be able to pick them up.
hehe
>Far beyond progressive... Bach still
> could out shred him though :)
Lets not even get into that. IMO they where both great composers,
but i do like Beethoven's Symphonies (man he could write a great
long song) better than Bach's long ones. Bach has good stuff too,
but the best ones are really short, ie Jesu, Joy of Mans Desiring,
Toccata and Fugue, Concerto for Harpsichord, Strings and Continuo in
D major, But i see you used the word 'shred' so i feel inclined to
say that Radhmaninoff could outshred anyone past, present and
future!
indii
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:06:53 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>,
Subject: New Jim Matheos solo CD sample...
Message-ID: <36F88F0D.FE91F65@ivorygate.com>
I just added another new sample from the up comming Jim Matheos solo CD, "Away
With Words" to the Audio page on the website... Check it out!
http://www.ivorygate.com/fw
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Come join the discussions in the new online Bulletin Board! <<<------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:24:46 -0500 From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: collaberating Message-ID: <07250259348265@twave.net>
> I can't read > listen to David Arkenstone without thinking of David Eddings' Belgariad, > Mallorean, etc.
Great books btw. For me it's Dire 'Straits Brothers in Arms' and Lustbader's "White Ninja" book, Marty Freidman's "Scenes" and Tad Williams' "Memory Sorrow and Thorn".
> The first time I ever heard Marillion's > Misplaced Childhood, I was on a plane on my way to Ft Lauderdale and I > was staring out the window the whole time...pure beauty and evertime I > listen to that CD, which I find to be one of the most incredible pieces > of music I've ever heard, I always think back to that moment on the > plane.
I listened to Depech Mode's "Violater" every night in Ft. Lauderdale, and i can remeber every detail about the house and the room i stayed in when i hear "Violater"
> And quite a few people can remember the song they listened to when they > first "collaberated" with another. (I like that term now. hehehe).
Yep. Enigma's "Sadness". Oh, is there a better song to make love too....er' i mean collaborate. Just watch Boxing Helena and tell me you don't wish you where Julian Sands with that supermodel nurse, with Sadness in the background!
indii
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:30:57 -0500 From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4766 Message-ID: <07311049948405@twave.net>
> > Interesting enough, I don't connect anything with Marillion or DT albums, > because their music is so fooking brilliant that I heard it so long and so > often that it's impossible to think of a special time or even event.
I listened to IAW when i was reading Timothy Zahn's "Star Wars" trilogy. It seemed to fit the Star Wars setting really well.
indii
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:37:57 -0500 From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4766 Message-ID: <07381182748508@twave.net>
> my brother's band and the newest band on Metal Blade, opened > for MORBID ANGEL in LA. They will also open for DESTINY's END > at a bikini bar in Pasadena on Saturday April 3rd I think. > Don't ask me why a power metal band with a death/black metal > will play in a bikini bar.
Who do you think would be better in a bikinni bar than death metal? Maybe John Coltrain or maybe some Poison? Everyone likes a good bikinni bar, every now and again. Hell, i'd play in a bikinni bar, even if it was just me, a trumpet, Chevy Chase and Paul Simon.
indii CP; Rachmaninoff "A Window in Time"
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:47:59 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: NEVERMORE/ICED EARTH/ DESTINY'sEND tour Message-ID: <36F898AF.B06A6467@ucla.edu>
Holy, shit, I'll be there if this is true. Being in Los Angeles finally pays off after all this time. First we get a double dose of LTE, now this prospective tour. I'm a huge Iced Earth fan, and Nevermore is pretty good too. I haven't heard Destiny's End, in fact I have never even heard of them. You can all close those gaping mouths now. Can anyone give me a little bit of info on what they sound like or where I can listen to them?
~~Amanda
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:30:19 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: NEVERMORE/ICED EARTH/ DESTINY'sEND tour Message-ID: <199903240830.AAA24832@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Amanda Rosenblum thus begged: > >Holy, shit, I'll be there if this is true. Being in Los Angeles >finally pays off after all this time. First we get a double dose of >LTE, now this prospective tour. I'm a huge Iced Earth fan, and Nevermore >is pretty good too. I haven't heard Destiny's End, in fact I have never >even heard of them. You can all close those gaping mouths now. Can >anyone give me a little bit of info on what they sound like or where I >can listen to them? > >~~Amanda
Destiny's End are powermetal... with the former Helstar vocalist on vocals... That Rivera guy... pretty much traditional powermetal... the guitarist Perry (good friend of mine) does come up with some cool riffs...
Nevermore is definitely the one to see at this show, even though I've seen them 3 times before...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:37:38 +0200 From: Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Best male singer Message-ID: <36F8B262.78F925D3@cc.uoa.gr>
Hi jammers Xpt from the Backstreet Boys and Gabriel, who the hell are the rest of the top 10? Later Mike
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:16:47 -0500 From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re:Tensing up when playing fast... What to work on... Message-ID: <199903240517_MC2-6F19-FEEF@compuserve.com>
I got this from a book titled The Inner Game of Music, it goes into a lot of thing to do with the mental aspects of playing. When playing feel what tension is in your arms, now tense your arms so that on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being totally relaxed 10 not, your arms are really tensed up, now start to relax feeling how your playing and sound is getting easier, keep relaxing until the tension is a 1, keep doing this a different tempo's but remember to feel the tension in your arms and feel how much easier it is to play when relaxed. Dave PS: Isn't the meaning of music to bring pleasure to those that want to listen to it?
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:41:21 +0000 From: Chris <Chris.Livingstone@wolfson.co.uk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Mob Message-ID: <36F8CF61.6DB27F8E@wolfson.co.uk>
To whoever posted that url about Queensryche ..... Thanks, that was one of the most interesting article i've read in a while, it gives a really good insight into how the band came about. I suggest anyone who likes Queensryche to go there. Also, it proves that they're not nazis after all, they're all gangsters :-)
Cheers Chris --
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:08:39 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Meaning in music Message-ID: <36F8B9A7.3EC279B3@mol.com.mk>
First, I like to thank all on the thoughts, it was pretty cool reading all those opinions! :)
I think that even when a dude is composing just for the fun of it, something from deep inside him comes out thru that composition. It's also true that none listener can know what exactly the composer was feeling when he was making his piece. But he can feel somehting, which later can be interpreted more individually, probably the listener will tune it to some his personal experience and from then on, that piece is becoming his interpretation of how he felt that time!
Heck but, what would be the message of "Twist and Shout"? :) <I LOVE Beatles> It's obviouslty just a plain fun song, written very lightly but anyway there IS a message "Party on!". :)
Composing not neccesarilly has to be like "OK now, what next lecture do I want to preach to the world today? ... errr.. yeah ... I wanna tell the world that I rebel to the society and I'll say it thru a title 'I can't get no satisfaction' ". I guess it comes more naturally, your compositions and lyrics, which both comes form the depths of your inner-self, convey your insight on the topic, your feelings, your "lesson" ...
On the jam recently I heard very interesting thing, that Steve Vai fasted for few days before recording "For The Love Of God", in order to be in the right condition to express all he wanted to in that song (I guess)! I don't know what's with that, but he surely succeed it! That is incredible emotional piece!
And one more thang: IMO, improvisation in music is something that we're still pretty far from explaining how it happens! Why? Because who knows what all comes together in order to produce that "awesome solo" which you can never repeat in your life again! It's pure emotion transmittied thru the instrument. And 20 years later someone will hear it and start crying EXACTLY on those particular 4 notes of the solo! That's some scary deep stuff! :)
He-he, next thing I do is prinitng the last few jams and give it to her (my pal), ... just curious what she'll say! :) -- CyberDuke
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:46:53 -0700 From: "Stone Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Cynical Pearts sucking LTE. Message-ID: <000201be7608$a667f7c0$0201010a@chuck>
>he would have an extremely tough time bringing himself to play >in a band again.
I think it would be a damn good thing for him. People in that sort of position really need a release and hobbies are a highly recommended way to deal with problems and emotions. They fill the time, divert the mind, etc. Once a person writes how he feels on a piece of paper or paints a portrait of it, etc., he can stand back and take a better look at it. I really think this is something that Neil could really use right now. But then, I've never had my whole family die on me within a one year span, so I can't imagine how he's feeling. Whether he gives up drumming and takes up toll-painting or whatnot doesn't matter to me as long as the old man can turn himself around. :)
BTW, I thought of a killer new supergroup. Could you imagine Devin Townsend, Kevin Moore, Jason Beiler, Roger Waters, and Terry Bozzio together? hehehe. I'd pay huge money to see that. More cynicism than even I could spew out in a year, and likely killer tunes, too. :) Yah, I know, Terry's not cynical, but I can't think of any drummers that are. :\
Madsman on LTE: >longevity for me. I've already been flamed for that. I do, of course,
No need to feel alone either. I feel exactly the same way. I think the only song I could really enjoy was Kindred Spirits. The rest just seemed to drag out too long and I lost interest in them. I can only listen to this one when I need something fun to listen to, too. Same sentiments about Derek's sounds, too. I'm gonna miss those. I still remember jumping out of my skin when I heard that roaring thing at the beginning of "The Inevitable Summer" in ACoS. Jordan's sounds seem too, well, 80's. hehehe. I hope he fixes that. :)
Anyway, enough flamebait. -- KorgX3 looks at a can of Chunky Corn Chowder and trembles.
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:00 -0500 From: "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: NDTC: Ocean Machine and Heart Palpitations Message-ID: <199903241518.HAA28523@knight.axnet.net>
To whoever first recommended Devin's Ocean Machine - thanks muchly! I'll admit that from some of the 'jam reviews I was expecting something a little more laid back (I'm a D.T. newbie so I had no idea what to expect :-), but the CD definitely rocks! It's well produced and has more grooves than a Pink Floyd Double Live LP.
One final thought:
The CD should bear a warning sticker. I was chilling on the sofa last night, listening to the CD, my brain somewhere between the here and now and that blissful state of REM sleep, when this 140Db gut wrenching scream lurched from the stereo. The shockwave nearly killed me.
Good CD though :-)
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:47:03 -0500 (EST) From: Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: meaning. purpose. wasting my time Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.990324102103.27144A-100000@linet01>
Hi. I was tired of watching the window-washer across the street, pretty soon he'll move along to another floor. So what is the meaning of music? Depends who you are and why you are seeking it. What is the meaning of life? Again, it depends who you are and to what extent you want the answer. How deep are you willing to explore.. Does life need meaning? Ask the homeless and they just care about survival. Ask me and I want a better job. Does music need meaning? Some ppl. are just happy to fill their lives with sounds and music of any kind, that it doesn't matter. Some ppl have no control of what types of music they are exposed to, consider yourself lucky to have so many choices. There's a LOT of music out there. Since the majority of you are musicians, the composition of the music, those notes and "technical things" tied together impress you, or they don't. In an art gallery or a museum, the "artists" will go and critique much differently than someone like myself, why never took the art history class, and doesn't create art. I know what I like. Know what I don't like. This too, is dependant on many variables. Usually the "artist's" (for any art form) motivation is not known (i.e why they are doing it) and subjective things like "emotion" are incredibly tough to measure. If you like something, or appreciate something - great. The great thing about Dream Theater is that it can appeal to all of us, for many reasons, (and we are a diverse group.) I know I have more to say, but chances are few ppl care, and my boss will be angry if I don't get some reports done this morning. Sigh. -Rachel
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:17:17 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: "PuppyJam, for a full year, till he's full grown :P" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: uk, stones Message-ID: <36F9100D.2620@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
A Drummer wrote:
> the UK album has some Holdsworth acoustic work. Believe me when > I tell you that "this is a rarity". The only other acoustic
Absolutely. The guitar solo towards the end of "30 Years" is sweet!
> Holdsworth I have heard is on Allan's first and out of print solo > record "Velvet Darkness".
I'm glad I held onto it.
The AH suggestions I've mentioned are all excellent stuff. If you're looking for more, I suggest Bruford Band's "One of a Kind." Besides AH, it's got Jeff Berlin on bass. Think "progressive fusion".... Think "supergroup" :)
JK wrote: > By the way, I know Keith Richards came up w/ some cool rythm shit back in > the day, & I guess he was a good musician or something at one time, but I > sure can't see that as being the case now. Have you ever seen them live?
Wait, Keith is alive? He looks like death warmed over :) About the only thing keeping him alive is the fact that he gets his oil changed every few months :))))
> First off, Pink Floyd and Rush were never rock'n'roll "gods" that girls ooed > and awed over, so I don't see that happening.
Never? :) Guess you weren't at any of the concerts during the "2112" or "A Farewell To Kings" tours. BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! We're talking easily selling out 20K+ seat venues. I remember seeing one or two girls there ooing :)
Vanessa: > It's not what the artist's intends, but what the listener extracts from > the work; whether this applies to Art, literature etc.
"The song is 'the gift' to the composer. The performance is 'the gift' to the artist. The finish product is 'the gift' to the listener. The listener's response is his or her Truth about 'the gift'".....Larry Carlton
Regards, Jon
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:33:41 -0600 From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Speaking of Queensryche... Message-ID: <36F913E5.27FF@auburn.net>
..I recently acquired a B-sides compilation of their stuff, and there is a stunning rendition of Scarborough Fair on there. Does anyone know when or why this was recorded?
Thanks in advance, Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 02:04:56 +0700 From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Petrucci's voice Message-ID: <36F93758.A9922C6@pacific.net.ph>
Hey...what JP bits do you all think are really indicative of JP's voice on guitar...not the stuff that sounds too much like his influences but the stuff that's really JP...
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:27:16 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <progboy@mindless.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Petrucci's voice Message-ID: <36F92E84.CE9A3C82@mindless.com>
Robert Jurado wrote:
> Hey...what JP bits do you all think are really indicative of > JP's voice on guitar...not the stuff that sounds too much like > his influences but the stuff that's really JP...
ID have to go with that mr ptacek said earlier,... the stuff in his instructional video between takes... and i have to second that notion that i would LOVE to hear more stuff like that from him and/or DT
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:34:51 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LITS & WDATU available for download at LITS Message-ID: <4.1.19990324143328.00a85b00@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everybody,
Lost In The Sky (Milan, Italy, 11/15/93) and When Dream And Today Unite have been posted in their entireties at Lines in the Sand.
-Bogie
Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:20:34 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Vote for Labrie and set me free Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9903241714550.1782-100000@homer.essc.psu.edu>
>To: Tounge In Cheek Recipients <ytsejam@axnet.net> >Subject: Vote for Labrie, and I'll set you free >Message-ID: <36F7A346.19A1@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> >> > >10 points to the person who can identify the musical reference contained >in the subject line. 5 points for artist, 5 for the song, -15 points for >identifying the genre :P
Sorta reminds me of a song by "love and Rockets" called "Ball of Confusion". "VOTE FOR ME AND ILL SET YOU FREE!! "
Yes I listen to that music STILL even though I am a devoutprog-metal fan. There's mroe in common than most people think.
Interesting that Love and Rockets was actually the result of Peter Murfey leaving the dark-goth band called "Bauhous". I do not really like Bauhous.. to dark for me.
Finally, I am just curious, are there any DT fans who also like the Smasdhing Pumpkins a lot? Nack in 1991 I saw them with Pearl Jam. I was a huge PJ fan from the start (very good concert act) but didnt really like SP. Their music was too psychadelic to follow PJ. Bad mix. Then I started listening to their music and I found it VERY creative. A lot of it is reminiscent of old Pink Floyd at times.
Anyways, I am just wondering if I am the only wierdo who likes SP and DT (well i have a couple of friends who also like both bands).
Cheers
-Ponte
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