YTSEJAM Digest 4768
Today's Topics:
1) Live In Tokyo Video
by Compadre32@aol.com
2) <no subject>
by "stan tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
3) feelings...
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
5) re: musical messages
by "gregor" <gregor@rz-online.de>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767
by "Kenn Jensen" <kennjen@vip.cybercity.dk>
7) The Silent Man---A possible explanation???
by Compadre32@aol.com
8) Azazello - '98
by GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE
9) re: Scarborough Fair
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
10) meaning in music/ learning the language
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
11) Rush........pieces of ass??
by JKorby1973@aol.com
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767
by mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org>
13) holding on to indispensability
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
14) KJLB in 7th
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
15) 'ryche's Scarborough Fair
by "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
16) communication, spectrally (ZDTC)
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:23:25 EST
From: Compadre32@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Live In Tokyo Video
Message-ID: <ef876759.36f965dd@aol.com>
I have one very short question for the jammerz out there....
Ive been having trouble finding the video "Live In Tokyo"....im not too
interested in buying it over the internet so does anyone know if its still
available in most stores?
thanks
-john wells TX
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:31:46 -0500
From: "stan tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: <no subject>
Message-ID: <199903242229.OAA25457@knight.axnet.net>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:44:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: feelings...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9903241741270.1782-100000@homer.essc.psu.edu>
One of the great things about art that doesnt come right out and tell you
what its about...you can enjoy it over and over and over and always get a
diffferent message/emotion from it... thus giving it longevity. Because
music often fits into this catagory, it has greater longevity than say,
movies. The instrumental bits in music are always open to interpritation,
thus allowing each listen to be unique. Movies come right out and tell you
the plot, making them have short longevity. Masterpieces such as 2001,
however, allow the mind to come up with its own conclusions and doesnt
shove the plot/meaning down your throat, and hense Ive been able to watch
it over and over and always enjoy it.
Sorry for inane drivel.. im very exhausted..
-Ponte
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:52:15 -0500
From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767
Message-ID: <22522806186376@twave.net>
A quick announcement came across my desktop today:
> Just a quick announcement here. Will try to post it on the tourdates page
> before the date, but wanted to make sure everyone on the list had this
> info. The Rudess/Morgenstein Project will be playing Boston`s Berklee
>College of Music on March 31st.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gary Hill
> Music Street Journal
indii
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:15:28 +0100
From: "gregor" <gregor@rz-online.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: re: musical messages
Message-ID: <000901be764c$551cdea0$6457fea9@Sprite.rhein-zeitung.de>
-But I think I've been spoiled with Derek. I love how huge those
-sounds are. I love the variety... I will NEVER recover from the damage
LitS
-has done to me+ACE- :)
Yes, yes, that it is. I do not know Rudess, but i am also not
interested in comparisons.
This great sound..........
I want to say thank you to Derek for the great music the years ago.
Man, i love your sound, espacially LitS and ToT and i really hope that
we will here more about you in the future. Listening to you was a delight,
and i think i am by far not the only one with this opinion.
BTW, what is he doing now exactly?
I really hope and believe that the time with Jordan will be creative and
progressive and
i am waiting unpatiently for the release of the new album.
Gregor
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:07:51 +0100
From: "Kenn Jensen" <kennjen@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767
Message-ID: <007001be764b$3725c700$aa09f2d4@kenn>
Mark Peters asked:
> ..I recently acquired a B-sides compilation of their stuff, and there
> is a stunning rendition of Scarborough Fair on there. Does anyone know
> when or why this was recorded?
'Scarborough Fair' is a left-over from the 'Rage For Order' recording
session, but wasn't released untill 1990 as a B-side to the 'Empire'
Maxi-single release (along with 'Prophecy').
Later
Kenn
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:13:11 EST
From: Compadre32@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Silent Man---A possible explanation???
Message-ID: <2023824f.36f97187@aol.com>
Hey everybody
In my English class at school, we were reading "Barlteby" by Herman Melville
(MOBY DICK) and i just happened to have my copy of "AWAKE" with me. Id
figured out the night before when i was writing a paper over the story, the
entire song ("The Silent Man") seemed to be an almost complete mirror image
of the story...
i freaked out totally of course....it was awesome....my professor is pretty
lenient about letting us bring original insights into the classroom so i asked
him if we could hear a real interesting musical rendition of "Bartleby".
After a brief tutorial over the sophisticated nature of Dream Theater and
their music, he complied. Besides making the whole class (and my teacher for
that matter) fall in love with the song, we found many more common motifs
(walls and masks and the fact that the main character rarely speaks) that
existed in both the song and the short story. I wonder if this has any true
basis in relationship to the song. Oh well...its pretty cool anyways.....give
me your feedback
John Wells TX
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:24 +0100
From: GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Azazello - '98
Message-ID: <199903242324.PPRR@semagroup.sema.se>
--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 99-03-25 00.24
AZAZELLO - '98 RUSSIA
Rating: * * * February 1998
VOLOS REC.
Azazello is:
Alexander Kulak - Guitars, Vocals
Idris Faridonoff - Drums
Dima Bakay - Bass
Vitos Afanasev - Keyboards
This is the first Prog-Metal band I've heard from Russia. It's
nice to hear that this kind of music is played in every corner of
the world, and not only in Sweden, Germany, Japan and America. I
don't know how many Prog-Metal bands there is in Russia, but
Azazello have to be one of the premier bands there. They're are
all quite good musicians and their music is high quality too.
As with the majority of other Prog Metal bands, Azazello's biggest
influence is Dream Theater. They're also influenced by bands such
as Symphony X, Kansas, Marillion, Queensryche and Gorky Park to
name a few. The main different is that Azazello's album has been
recorded in the Russian language. Russia is a very big country so
they have chosen to sing in Russian. I guess that it's very hard
to reach outside their homeland too, so why bother to sing in
English. It doesn't bother me though, because the music stands out
for itself.
The recordings are made in a cheap studio, so the sound quality is
suffering a bit from that. But all in all, this is a very good
album with good musicians, and I think that if they only get a
chance, they would surely make it big outside Russia too.
If you're into Prog Metal bands such as Dream Theater, and are
brave enough to try out the Russian alternative, I recommend you
to give this album a try. Unfortunately I don't have a clue how to
get this album, but I guess that a good start would be to send an
email to band member Alexander Kulak: a_kulak@hotmail.com
-Reviewed by Greger Ronnqvist-
Email: greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se
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Sweden
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:34:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: re: Scarborough Fair
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.990324183309.94858A-100000@archa10.cc.uga.edu>
Queensryche's cover of Scarborough Fair was originally released officially
on the Anybody Listening? single. So, that was an Empire-era recording,
but Geoff also recorded the tune with one of his previous bands (Myth, if
memory serves).
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Matt Smith
ktulu@arches.uga.edu
"Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God."
-Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:46:39 -0600
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: meaning in music/ learning the language
Message-ID: <199903242346.RAA26427@busprod.com>
> If music
>doesn't rise in me emotions, then it's not really something I can find
>myself listening to -- and lyrics are not a prerequisite. I'm reminded of
>listening to Brahms with a friend and watching her begin to cry because the
>music was so moving... Music that conveys little or exceedingly trite
>emotion is not something I listen to for the sake of listening - it's
>background noise, not music, as far as I'm concerned. I like Aerosmith --
>but the majority of their songs aren't really something I find myself
>enjoying *listening to*. I enjoy *hearing* the songs, but not listening to
>them... That's something I have always enjoyed about DT. The bits in, as
>previously mentioned, "Lie" and "Space-Dye Vest" and "Learning to Live" have
when a creative artist or musician undergoes the processes of creating their
art it may be for the sake of evoking certain emotions from their audience.
Or maybe and more likely they are doing it because they have an idea or
concept that they wish to convey. Music as with all art is mostly (in
genuine, non "grab for cash" art that is) about communication. The artist
has something that he/she wishes to say and they use their medium to
accomplish just that.
to be honest... its fairly easy to evoke emotions in people. Why do you
think that all the big evangelical preachers love to have choirs? Music and
loud speeches create an emotional response that they feel free to interpret
for you. The same is true with advertisement; evoke an emotional response
and offer an interpretation.
HELL...even celine dion makes me tear up sometimes and I cant stand her. Her
message is always the same though: SAP SAP SAP!!! waaa waaa waaa....
I see two possibilities. if you dont "get" what an artist is trying to
communicate its either because:
1) they did a lousy job !
-or-
2) you dont understand the language !
both of these are possible, but in most cases I think instrumental music is
a language that most people havent invested the time into understanding. Its
not as easy to absorb and interpret as lyrics which speak in a language that
most people already know how to decipher.
the type of music you like depends on whether that music communicates to you
in a way that you understand and can appreciate. so dont be suprised when
you put on LTE and somebody says "do they ever sing?" or "is it all like
this?" or even "how can you listen to this?" (this one curtesy of my own
girl) its because they are looking for the language that they undestand and
it isnt there for them. in order to "get it" they have to learn the language.
so, thats another way to look at it.
bruce
bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:37:56 EST
From: JKorby1973@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Rush........pieces of ass??
Message-ID: <55eab401.36f98564@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-03-24 17:30:51 EST, you write:
<< > First off, Pink Floyd and Rush were never rock'n'roll "gods" that girls
ooed
> and awed over, so I don't see that happening.
Never? :) Guess you weren't at any of the concerts during the "2112" or
"A Farewell To Kings" tours. BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! We're talking easily
selling out 20K+ seat venues. I remember seeing one or two girls there
ooing :) >>
You're right, I wasn't at those concerts. I was too busy playing in my sandbox
at the time. Also, Rush has always sold out arenas, so I'm sure there had to
be at least one or two girls hot for the guys. I just meant Rush and Pink
Floyd weren't really known for sex appeal when they were younger, so I
certainly don't expect anybody to be checking out Geddy Lee's ass or the bulge
in Alex's pants these days. Bottom line, nobody cared what they looked like
then, and they certainly aren't gonna care now. Their music is what everyone
cared about.
bwahaha..ha..ha.....ha........ha..............huh?
- JK
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:27:07 -0500
From: mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767
Message-ID: <000601be7666$ffdd7d80$a13fc998@hp-customer>
>BTW, I thought of a killer new supergroup. Could you imagine Devin
>Townsend, Kevin Moore, Jason Beiler, Roger Waters, and Terry Bozzio
>together? hehehe. I'd pay huge money to see that. More cynicism than
even
>I could spew out in a year, and likely killer tunes, too. :) Yah, I know,
>Terry's not cynical, but I can't think of any drummers that are. :\
Hmm -- problem is, see, that since Roger Waters believes himself to be the
"greatest musician" since World War 2 (Or at least in the top five, but he
could only think of two others up there with him -- Freddie Mercury and John
Lennon) he might have a problem with working with so many other talents...
Remember Pro's and Con's? Clapton got tiny billing -- his name was on the
jacket maybe once.
Then again, people change (yeah, right)...
mjt
--
"Love is an act of blood and I'm bleeding
A pool in the shape of a heart."
-- Kevin Moore of Dream Theater, "Space-Dye Vest"
ICQ: 3856787
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:26:45 PST
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: holding on to indispensability
Message-ID: <19990325052646.54539.qmail@hotmail.com>
About Holdsworth, I coulda sworn I had a tape copy of velvet darkness,
with alternate takes on about half the songs filling out the second
side....that item refuses to be found.....but during the search, I did
find a tape of IOU, which just happens to be screwed up, but i also
found a cassette of Livin Colour's vivid, which i didn't know i had,
which happens to contain my all time favorite song (Cult of
Personality), and nothing messed this discovery up so it's all good.
about the stoned, who have suddenly become a daily topic of discussion
around here.....(regarding the typo above, I was gonna go back and erase
and correct, but i thought, i LOVE those freudian impulses)
Just curious, do you think that band could survive the death or
departure of either Keith Richards or Mick Jagger? They are a band that
have gone through numerous personnel changes, and some part of me argues
that they would actually be a better band if they ditched Keith, but
then again, I don't think the public would "allow" them to continue as
the rolling stones if either of those two were not in the band.....
tying it all into DTC, which members of dream theater are indispensible
to the franchise? I'm thinking Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci.....which
means that James Labrie, John Myung and Derek....i mean Jordan are
exchangeable.....
in terms of Labrie, sure he's got a huge voice, one that really got them
to where they are today, but in a band with the instrumental talents of
Liquid Tension Theater, the vocalist must necessarily be the most
replacable part.....
given the recent bouncing of Derek Sherinian, and the following fact:
(please feel free to correct if you know any better) John Myung and
Platypus have some plans to record further as a unit, and perhaps even
to tour. That suggests to me that John Myung is totally down with Dereke
Sherinian as a musician and a bandmate, and may have had the least say
in the replacement of Derek with Jordan Rudess in DT....
and if he has that little say in the running of his primary musical
enterprise, he too becomes expendable in the scheme of things.....
therefore, Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci are left standing as the true
cornerstones of Dream Theater, Portnoy perhaps the strongest, at least
as seen from this quadrant (the ytsejam) because of his participation in
our forum......
I'm just spewing theories emanating from my brain at the end of a 19
hour day, not trying to start anything up....but if anyone would like to
disagree....
partha
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:32:47 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: KJLB in 7th
Message-ID: <36F9CA7F.E0C47140@isd.net>
James is in 7th place! <grin>
Keep on voting. http://www.freevote.com/booth/favemale
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: 25 Mar 99 08:21:54 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 'ryche's Scarborough Fair
Message-ID: <0021A2FD1C0000010103EB875F042E@mail.logisware.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
]From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net> wrote:
>..I recently acquired a B-sides compilation of their stuff, and there
>is a stunning rendition of Scarborough Fair on there. Does anyone know
>when or why this was recorded?
Um... I'm not 100% about this, but I think it originally was recorded on
"the Warning" sessions as a more "metal" version, and finally released
in a more polished format as a b-side of "Empire" vinyl single.
_Mape_
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:25:25 -0500
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: communication, spectrally (ZDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990324142525.0069ba78@popserver.panix.com>
On 05:14 3/21/99 -0800, you wrote:
[Harry D' Amour]
> This phase vocoder, where can I get it from? Does it do this time stretch
> without changing the pitch? Does it produce good results?
Yes!
But unfortunately now I can't find a working pvoc DOS/x86 executable.. I
know there's one at ftp://ftp.bath.ac.uk/pub/jpff/mdpvoc/ but I can't get
it to work, it doesn't seem to know when the infile ends.. no idea why...
bah.. it worked under W3.11 ISTR. There's source too, maybe I'll fix it if
I have some time. Which I don't.
So in the end the answer is no, I guess. :)
(Another option (way tediouser but way cooler), find and install all of
csound, convert the wave file to a .pv file with pvanal (becomes four times
bigger!), write a csound score and orchestra to access it and generate the
output.. you need lots of virtual memory for this if it's a big file, but
it's a lot more flexible -- you can let a time pointer "play" over the
spectrum file, hover at one point, go backwards slowly, etc..)
[Ptacek]
> Why do people need a beat when they want to dance? Why do people listen
> to specific music at specific times?
> [ ... lots of valid stuff .. ]
> Music, to me as a musician, is more a language than it is a hobby or a fun
> activity. I try to express something in what I write and what I improvise.
> I think most people do.
It's an old question; should music be considered business, communication,
or expression? (Is sound air pressure, or spectra? Is light waves, or
particles?) The answer, as usual, is yes.
If we disregard business for a moment, it's sadly only the "same old
question," but in disguise: "what's good music and what's bad music"... and
we all know our own answers to that. But anyway!
Communication? Well yes, music uses the same perceptive channels as
language. Then like with any message, you have to consider the whole chain
of events:
Consciousness in originator -> emotion or thought in originator ->
musical emanation -> delivery system -> recipient's ears ->
emotion or thought in recipient (hopefully another conscious being!)
If the "message" is delivered but not fully understood, is it truly
communicated? What if you're only after causing an emotion and it fails to
occur? This, if you care, is where you have to be careful: make sure the
music can be understood or felt on many different levels. Put yourself in
the listener's shoes. Remember, you lose control of it after it's in the
ear canals of the poor victim! :)
Business? Yes, unfortunately we're all part of the material world. There
are various "delivery systems", all with different economics, all with
varying degrees of efficiency or success. A communication chain is only as
strong as its weakest link! Beginners often disregard this link as trivial
and unimportant. It's not!!
Expression? Well, IMO there are two kinds of musical ideas: the ones you
get while you're fingering your instrument, and the ones you get in the
bathtub. The latter are vastly preferable when it comes to large, sweeping
structures in a composition, the former are useful in filling in the
inevitable gaps and "white spots in the map" of the latter. Other people's
opinions vary! Thank god!
... I've GOT to stop reading my email right after coffee... enough
confused meandering BS for today.
---
Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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