YTSEJAM Digest 4775
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Super Groups
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
2) Re: Watchtower
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
3) Recording and Symphony X
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
4) Re: Prism question - WDADU songs live -
by JamesAhab@aol.com
5) The Beard & kings x
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
6) Echo Hollow
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
7) anarchy x and aztec jade
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
8) Watchtower
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
9) Re: techno shit
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
10) Watchtower, Spastic Ink and Sieges Even
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
11) Re: Phantom Menace NDTC
by MaxArbot@aol.com
12) Spock's Beard questions
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
13) Fw: Re.Finneus Gauge Announcement
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@erotomania.org>
14) Re: Phantom Menace NDTC
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) Re: Phantom Menace NDTC
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
16) Morgenstein/Sherinian IRC Chat!
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
17) Re: techno shit
by Autumdrm75@aol.com
18) Guitar Wiring question;
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
19) Re: Supergroups
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:10:38 +0300
From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Super Groups
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990326231038.0098f750@messagebox.com>
Chris wrote:
>
>Ok, here are some of my ideas for super groups...
>
>Cliff Burton (r.i.p.) - Bass
>Freddie Mercury (r.i.p.) - Vocals
>Frank Zappa (r.i.p.) - Lead & Rhythm Guitars
>Keith Moon (r.i.p.) - Drums
Could you make at least one band that featured all healthy'n'livin'
musicians? :-)
My dream band would be:
Steve Smith - drums
Stu Hamm - basses
Derek Sherinian - keys
John Scofield or/and Steve Morse - guitars
no vocals here, I've been into alot of instrumental stuff recently
~Peter 'the Keeper'
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:52:08 +0200
From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Watchtower
Message-ID: <199903270053.CAA15123@nefeli.forthnet.gr>
Chris Calabrese:
>webpage for Jarzombek's new band, Spastic Ink....does anyone know of a
>atchtower homepage or has anyone even heard of this band? Petrucci
>poke VERY HIGHLY of Jarzombek as a guitarist, and because of that I
>eally wanna check him out.
Watchtower is, for a lot of people, (including me) one of the best (maybe
the best) progressive metal band ever. They were the pioneers of techical
progressive metal,as Mosh said, in a time when most bands were copying
Priest/Maiden or playing glam stuff. Their music is the most complex shit
I've ever heard. They require all the listener's concentration. DT have
always showed great respect for this band, so have done most progressive
bands of our times. You should hear the drummer.Energetic Disassembly was
first released from Zombo recs. Control and Resistance, their best, was
released from Noise. Sieges Even are another story.........
PS:It's Chopin, not Chopen.....
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:56:20 -0600
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Recording and Symphony X
Message-ID: <007001be77fd$65a50f60$1dccfea9@scubaminky>
> Still, 128 megs is not enough for serious recording, which is why I don't
> recommend the Roland units that record to a 100 meg Zip disk. Even with
> 2/1 audio compression, if you use a lot of tracks (even if not
> simultaneous, think of multiple takes) you use up that 100 megs really
fast.
The unit you're referring to does something like 5:1 compression as a
standard, though 2:1 is an option. 5:1 can do okay on a zip, but 2:1 will
eat em and smile.
> Sure, getting a lot of RAM is neat, but even a basic SCSI drive (not fast,
> wide, or ultra anything) is fast enough. The Akai DPS-12 has an internal
> basic Jaz drive and it's fast enough to play back 12 (mono) tracks of CD
> audio simultaneously.
Proprietary systems like this are designed for this purpose. The
Rolands with internal drives all use IDE, and get excellent performance out
of them. They're streamlined for this purpose though. A computer doesn't
react the same.
> Basic SCSI drives are a lot cheaper than RAM, heck,
> even Ultra2 Wide SCSI drives are cheaper than an equivalent amount of RAM.
If you mean that 9.1 gigs of UW2 SCSI is cheaper than 9.1 gigs of RAM, I
agree... otherwise I think you have your prices screwed up, or have some
connection that can sell below cost.
In other news, Andy DeLuca, the bassist who did all of the European
Symphony X shows has asked me to see if I can find bootleg videos of the any
and all of the shows. He's never seen them, and I know they exist. Mail
me, and I'll hook you up with the info. He's not going to pay for em, but
he can and most certainly will trade.
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:41:57 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Prism question - WDADU songs live -
Message-ID: <591795fd.36fc6195@aol.com>
>< Hey, does anyone know about the progress of the Prism bootleg orders that
were supposed to be filled by the other guys from Bahr's masters? I haven't
got a response from any of them. ><
Surprise surprise, screwed again. Your not alone though, I e-mailed ryan
whittaker at scarred records twice and got no reply. no one in the bootleg
"industry" can be trusted unless they're trading.
>< I would love to hear those songs on their new tour - but...I think - as
someone mentioned - that playing those songs would be a step down the ladder
of development... ><
It'd be better than hearing PMU for the 1000th time. anyway they said
themselves they're sick of playing the same songs, thats why they did the
setlist they did on the christmas tour. so i dont see why we cant get a good
mix of the new songs, and the old songs *including* something from wdadu
(besides ytse jam).
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:01:16 -0800 (PST)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: "Spocks Beard" "Thoughts " <thoughts@lists-host-u.cx>
Cc: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The Beard & kings x
Message-ID: <19990327060116.20433.rocketmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Well I just got my tickets to go see Spocks Beard in
Cincinnati at this place called Annies. It's a real
nice club, saw Dream Theater there on the FII tour. As
luck would have it, Kings X just happen to be playing
there the 24th of July. WOOHOO!!! It just doen't get
any better.
It says on tickemasters website that a band called
ACUMEN will be playing with the Beard. Does anybody
know who this is?
later all
John Parks
jpyyz@yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:29:10 -0600
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Echo Hollow
Message-ID: <19990327.002911.3542.0.schnapster@juno.com>
I've had the Echo Hollow CD since i first came out. I must say that it
is pretty kickass. It is sort of reminiscent of old, classic Tourniquet,
but it's not quite the same (I don't mean this in a good or bad way, just
different). It's kinda like what Tourniquet could've sounded like if
they'd have taken a slightly different direction than they actually had.
The cover of Sunday Bloody Sunday is actually pretty damn good, too. In
fact, a girl I know who is a pretty big U2 fan likes their version better
than the original. It pretty much sticks to the original form, but it is
certainly them doing it. Very cool metal stuff. I recommend it.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:43:03 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: anarchy x and aztec jade
Message-ID: <36FC9A17.240C3EEC@bigfoot.com>
Thanks to the jammer that recommended this show at Downtime, in NYC. I
was there for about 5 hours, I heard three bands, want some reviews?
Well, hot diggity!
The First Band: Didn't get their name. All I can say is, what if hootie
tried to play metallica? This is what you'd get. Not bad...but exactly
that. I waited for Alchemy X to go on; so was everyone else apparently.
Alchemy: Well, it's more metal than progressive, and they have some
chops. The closest comparison would be to Fates Warning. The drummer
ain't so great, but the two guitarists and the bassist/keyboardist were
talented. The vox were great. The vocalist, who dressed like Trent
Reznor but looked and acted and sounded like Bruce Dickonson, has this
really kick-ass banshee wail. I wasn't that impressed with the music
until I learned that they've only been around for two years and this is
their first album. They have potential, but you know how first albums
are. They need to find themselves.
Both guitarists did lead and rhythm, and as far as I could tell, both
were very good at both. one guitarist played an Ibanez Universe, the
other had two ibanez models I know nothing about, because I don't know a
damned thing about guitars. I don't even know what kind of drums they
had, but it wasn't a spectacular kit. The hole(you know that hole in the
bass drum) was just sort of torn out! Really everything about the
drumming in this band is shoddy.
And to think I almost left then! Glad I stayed for Aztec Jade, because
they ROCK. I knew something good was gonna happen when I saw them
setting up the framework for the drum kit, because it took up half the
stage. This guy had toms, cowbell, all those funky different hi-hats and
whatnot, and thankgod, a double bass. And he could play. Total opposite
of the other guy.
Buuuuut, this time it's the guitar that suffered! This guitarist was
pretty good, but...and there's no nice way to say it, he just couldn't
shred very well. For me, shredding is far down on the list of what makes
a song good, so it only bothered me while it was being attempted. In
other respects, he was a more than adequate musician, but not at the
level of the drummer, or the vocalist, who was phenominal. The
keyboardist was also very good. I had to leave early(2:30am!) but I got
a great deal on some Jade merchandise. These guys should be on Metal
Blade.
I'll post their web site tomorrow. Now I sleep!
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."------------------------------
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:30:53 +0200 From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Watchtower Message-ID: <199903270930.LAA10437@nefeli.forthnet.gr>
Speaking of Watchtower, anybody know about the demo they recorded after Control and Resistance? There has been serious rumors that the forthcoming 3rd album was even more sick and complex than CAR, and that it was meant to be released a couple of years ago. There's also a rumor that Colaluta will be in the current line-up of Spastik Ink.
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:19:05 +0100 From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: techno shit Message-ID: <36FCCCB9.994FC6E5@siol.net>
<I just heard the new techno cover-version of "Another Brick In The Wall" off <of a soundtrack to a new film. I still haven't recovered from that crap! Is <there anything worse than discovering that songs you grew up with and always <found cool are being covered by some musical idiots? <..I still need some minutes to recover... < <Adrian
My thoughts exatcly.. the same hit me really bad when I heard some rap shmuck ripped Brothers In Arms (Dire Straits).. Can you fuckin' imagine that?? A hip hop tecno rap version of one of the most beautiful ballads I've ever heard.. I'm putting a contract on that chumps head... $1000 USD dead or alive... dead, but tortured first, preffered!
Matej
*think of something nice fast.. something nice....YES! KING'S X in Ljubljana tonight..YEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!*
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 06:50:30 PST From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Watchtower, Spastic Ink and Sieges Even Message-ID: <19990327145031.24831.qmail@hotmail.com>
I first picked up Watchtower's "Control & Resistence" MANY year ago. It was released in the late 80's. It was lacking in production in the way DT's WDADU did - not terrible, but noticible. The singer, unfortunately TOTALLY gets in the way. Great incredibly technical and sick music, but his screeching is borderline-intolerable. After listening to it enough, though, I've gotten used to it and enjoy giving it a spin every once and awhile. I own it mostly as a novelty though. Also, it's funny to hear a band singing about 80's "current events": Chernobyl and the Tylenol cyanide scare.
Spastic Ink's "Ink Complete" is much different. Still with a less-than-slick production, Ron and his new bandmates decided their music is incapable of supporting a singer (thank God)! So they just go OFF! Every song is a wonderful technical experiment. My favorite track is a combination of funk and classical elements. ...and it works! Liquid Tension Experiment is my closest comparison to this album, but they have a totally different chemistry and the result is very different but equally as entertaining! Can't wait for the next one from both of these groups!
Sieges Even - I REALLY gave these guys a chance and REALLY wanted to like them. I bought their most recent two albums: "Sophisticated" and "Uneven". Unfortunately, I just can't seem to get over their singer. His thick German accent when singing in English just gets in the way too much. And from what I hear, he's an improvement over their earlier vocalist(s). Their first vocalist was once described as "The most horrible singer ever to appear on an album." I decided not to bother, though some people seem to like some of their earlier stuff. If you can't get enough of the overly technical stuff and REQUIRE a singer to be in the band, give these guys a try.
Hope that helps!
- Dr. Teeth
P.S. I'm gonna have to pick up that Gordion Knot CD. Too many rave reviews not to check it out! Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:05:23 EST From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Phantom Menace NDTC Message-ID: <e3f96ee1.36fd0fd3@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/26/99 1:41:01 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< I think Darth Sidious and Senator/Emperor Palpatine are the same person, the Phantom Menace. >>
Anakin Skywalker is the phantom menace. He's just an innocent, little boy who will one day grow up to be...well, you know.
[eriC]
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:35:03 -0400 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Spock's Beard questions Message-ID: <01be7880$8748e140$e4206020@alexis1>
Hello! I am the proud owner of 2 Spock's Beard albums: Beware of Darkness and The Kindness of Strangers. I really like them. Alright, here are the questions: 1) How does The Light compare to these albums, in terms of sound, style, quality, etc.? I think they didn't have the Asian guy with them for this one, so i don't know how different the sound could be. 2) Any reviews of their new one, Day for Night? Same sound as the last two albums? I noticed many of the songs were very short, so I don't know if they changed their sound a bit (although from some of the samples I heard they sound pretty much the same style as the previous 2). Thanks for any answers to these questions.
Alexis
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:57:48 -0500 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Fw: Re.Finneus Gauge Announcement Message-ID: <004701be7883$b5d2e9e0$5cc9cdcf@syrinx2>
I don't know how many of you are into Finneus Gauge, but this it too important not to pass along.
- mike.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania!: http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>To Whom It May Concern: >> >>Scott McGill and Chris Eike are formally announcing their departure as >>guitarist and bassist of Finneus Gauge. With the impending release of the >new >>Hand Farm album as well as our new progressive project (to be called >Complex) >>we are unable to devote the time necessary that we feel Chris, Jonn, and >Laura >>deserve. We anticipate the performance at NEARfest will be our last with >the >>band. >> >>We want to take the time to thank everyone who has supported our efforts in >>Finneus Gauge over the past three years. We wish Chris, Jonn, and Laura >all >>the best and look forward to hearing their future work.
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:00:50 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Phantom Menace NDTC Message-ID: <001801be788c$8bd1f560$760d84d0@default>
>Anakin Skywalker is the phantom menace. He's just an innocent, little boy >will one day grow up to be...well, you know.
You guys need to read up on old jams. George Farber is the Phantom Menace. -- KorgX3 put this here so this isn't just another one-liner.
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:32:33 -0800 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Phantom Menace NDTC Message-ID: <004001be7890$f2bf4e40$e6f8aa26@multimedia>
>>Anakin Skywalker is the phantom menace. He's just an innocent, little boy >>will one day grow up to be...well, you know. > >You guys need to read up on old jams. George Farber is the Phantom Menace.
Bill Murray is the Phantom Menace. :) :)
peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.como mail@jamesthorpe.com
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:37:18 -0500 From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Morgenstein/Sherinian IRC Chat! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990327213718.00c4988c@gwis.com>
Hi, folks:
Just sending out this reminder that The Artist Shop and Talk City are co-hosting an IRC Chat with drummer Rod Morgenstein and keyboardist Derek Sherinian of the band Platypus on Sunday, March 28 at 3pm eastern/12 noon pacific. Platypus has just released their debut album on Velvel records called When Pus Comes to Shove. Rod has an extensive background as one of the founding members of the extremely influential Dixie Dregs. He was also a part of Winger and more recently the Rudess Morgenstein Project. Derek's background is with Dream Theater and, prior to that, about 10 years with Alice Cooper. The other members of Platypus include John Myung, bassist and stick player for Dream Theater, and guitarist/vocalist Ty Tabor of King's X. Rod and Derek will be taking questions on their new band and what's in store for the future of Platypus. Full details on joining this chat (plus a graphic and soundbite for the Platypus album!) are at <http://www.artist-shop.com/irc>. Do not wait till the last minute to check it out as you might get left out.
Gary
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:49:27 EST From: Autumdrm75@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: techno shit Message-ID: <a0b3b337.36fd5267@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/27/99 7:39:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, izolit@siol.net writes:
<< I just heard the new techno cover-version of "Another Brick In The Wall" off <of a soundtrack to a new film. I still haven't recovered from that crap! Is <there anything worse than discovering that songs you grew up with and always <found cool are being covered by some musical idiots? <..I still need some minutes to recover... < >>
Yes, the song sucks big time and ok I'll give it to you that most of the band are musical idiots, but the person singing is Layne Stanley (Alice in Chains). Although he might not have the great voice like our own Mr. LaBrie, he still is a great singer. Alice in Chains are probably the best band to come out of Seattle, other than Queensryche.
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:17:16 -0500 From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Guitar Wiring question; Message-ID: <36FD58EC.BA797077@frontierlogic.com>
Hey gang,
I have a question for the ones that know how to wire a guitar.
I would like to set up my guitar to use the same wiring configuration Petrucci uses in his JPMs...Where he has a 3 position selctor and 2 splitable humbuckers ...the humbuckers are normal in each end position, but when he selects the middle position, he gets the inner coil on each pickup, for 2 single coils acting in a hum cancelling situation.
If anyone knows the correct wiring scheme for this, could you send it to me??
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:01:11 -0600 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Supergroups Message-ID: <4.1.19990327164752.00959bc0@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
Oh My God!!! This discussion is too close to a top 10 list, I can't believe you all are breaking the rules like this!!! hehe
my own personal supergroup (strictly talking about rock musicians here):
Vocals-Geoff Tate Nobody sings like this guy IMO, great range, phrasing, good pure voice...
Lead Guitar-Joe Perry I know I'll probably get attacked like crazy for this one, but he's got a good feel, good sound, and is more lyrical than shredders like Vai. I'd choose Petrucci, but I've been on an Aerosmith kick lately, hence, Joe Perry...:)
Rhythm Guitar-James Hetfield Who else??? This guy has the best timing I've heard on a rock guitar player..I'd love to see some other stuff outside of the metallica thing...
Bass-Tony Levin Most versatile guy I've seen in a while...can play with almost anybody, and plays every type of bass imaginable...and does them all well too...:)
Keyboards-Keith Emerson or Derek Sherinian I hear the flames starting...If I choose Petrucci on guitar, I'd take Emerson, if I take Perry, I take Sherinian. Sherinian's a good groove keyboardist, and Emerson's outrageous technique would fit in great with Petrucci's animal playing...:)
Drums-Mike Portnoy...who else??? hehe...He proved to me he could really kick in a good groove on FII, I always knew he had phenomenal technique beforehand, but he set himself on another level on FII IMO....
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