YTSEJAM Digest 4841
Today's Topics:
1) dt news
by "Bob Hiemstra" <bob@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
2) re: lil bro
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
3) Spocks Beard
by "BILL HUSTON" <HUSTON@iomega.com>
4) Re: Spocks Beard East coast tour
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
5) A worthy cause (DTC?)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
6) New Savatage interview
by "fateswarm _" <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
7) Re: Spocks Beard
by JamesAhab@aol.com
8) Spocks beard in Philly (NDTC)
by "Madcap" <madcap_lghs@email.msn.com>
9) Re: Spocks Beard
by Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
10) Sympathy for Sam's Friend
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
11) Hard to find CD HELP!!! (NDTC)
by Tom Tubbiola <ttubbiola@earthlink.net>
12) VAST
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
13) Must we?
by HeiNouSX@aol.com
14) Threshold - Psychedelicatessen
by GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE
15) Re: Must we?
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
16) Re: Must we?
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
17) The Muffin' Fool Eats the Yellow Snow
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
18) Vanden Plas site online again!
by "Ties" <Ties@Rattenmonster.de>
19) response to TAXI.COM article
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:58:33 +0200
From: "Bob Hiemstra" <bob@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: dt news
Message-ID: <199905030954441@bob.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
who has news on the new dt album
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:48:33 PDT
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: lil bro
Message-ID: <19990503174833.7920.qmail@hotmail.com>
the other day i came home early to erotomania blaring through my stereo and
to my surprise found my little brother, who just turned 13 recently, sitting
on my couch listening. in the conversation that followed i found out that
he usually sneeks into my room as soon as i leave for work and puts on my
music. he went on to tell me that in front of kids his musical preference
is alternative and ska, because that's what's cool, but in actuallity he
hates the music and quote: "wishes it was cool to like dream theater" :)
hehe
he's a funny kid.. he sure had me fooled :) i thought he was unreachable..
anyways..
inferno
NP: Queensryche - Promised Land
korg said:
><snip>
>Example: My little brother has started getting interested in >listening to
>music. Of course my first reaction was to try to get him into stuff I
>listen to. I'm too late, he's already been influenced by watching MTV and
>listening to his friends too much. Know what he told me? (same thing I
>told my friend years ago) Metal bands that use keyboards are pussy metal.
><snip>
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:56:31 -0600
From: "BILL HUSTON" <HUSTON@iomega.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Spocks Beard
Message-ID: <s72d8f10.054@royn20.iomega.com>
DAMN! These guys are going on tour but nowhere near here (Utah):< Any =
chance they could tour the interior of the US? I know Korg would be there =
so that's two of us :> Normally I'm one of those prog metalheads but these =
guys are so good that they've rearranged my appreciation of just good =
music period. Seriously, it is doubtful they'd come anywhere around here =
but one can dream, right? DT can come, too (HINT, HINT, did you catch =
that, Mike?)
Wilmo
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:17:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Spocks Beard East coast tour
Message-ID: <19990503181724.5270.rocketmail@web135.yahoomail.com>
I'll be seeing them in Cincinnati. I don't know about the
rest of their shows but the tix for Cincy show only cost
$13. The club they are playing in Cincy is called Annies.
I saw DT there on the second leg of the FII tour. Its a
really good place to see shows. (going to see Kings X
there July 24th hehe) Are any of you jammers gonna make it
to either if these shows?
> Greetings!
> Spock's Beard are about to tour north-eastern and
> north-central US
> (Baltimore, Philly, Pittsburg, Rochester, Chicago,
> Milwaukee, Cincinnati,
> Cleveland, Minneapolis, plus a show in Hollywood where
> they're starting the
> tour).
on another note,
I know this question has been asked a bizzilion times but
what is the address for the YTSEJAM t-shirts?
===
John Parks
jpyyz@yahoo.com
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So much stuff without style
Its hard to recognize the real thing
It comes along once in a while. -Neil Peart-
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:21:54 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: A worthy cause (DTC?)
Message-ID: <372DE93D.16B0@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
JC wrote:
> I'm so pissed that im gonna go out and punch someone now...see ya later
JC, there's just no room for this kind of violence on the jam. You
aren't a Marilyn Manson fan, by any chance, are you? :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WAAF is a local (Boston area) rock music station, one of only a couple
around here that play cool music at least some of the time. They are
also known for having some hilarious segments where DJs play practical
jokes or whatever.
I found the following cool and funny:
They are attempting to raise $25,000 to help the refugees (that were) in
Kosovo. What they've done is taken a brand new Yugo (heheheh) that's
been donated and taken it out to a junkyard (128 Used Auto Parts, Chrlie
Mantenuto's place out there in Waltham, for any locals that might want
to check this out :)
The car is raised up on a crane to a significant height, and supposedly
the DJs are camping out in it until the 25K are raised. Once this
happens, they will exit the vehicle and it is then dropped :)))) I love
it!
Rumor has it that the dropping will occur today at 5PM.
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> CAN U BELIEVE THIS SHIT????
> NO ONE BUT NO ONE should try and direct a persons musical vision
But don't you think it's about time we started directing the masses
toward the one and only true way? Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck!
With this and the above in mind, I thought the following might be
appropriate
In an effort to raise money for a ProgFest TOUR, including Dream Theater
of course, paper machee likenesses of the Spice Girls are constructed.
They are purposely made oversized, 1) to match their egos and 2) for
easy viewing from a distance (this will become clear in a moment)
The likenesses are then each secured by the neck in nooses and raised up
on the crane, with proper tethering of course, to a fatal height.
Now don't you agree this is much better, JC? And much less violent than
your reaction. No one gets hurt :)
If you like, the 'make love not war' element can be implied. Have the
ladies performing rude acts on the cast of the New Kids On The Block,
also restrained in nooses. Since NKOTB are from around here, this might
also draw up some local interest :)
LOVE LIVE PROG BAYBAY!!!!
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:35:54 GMT
From: "fateswarm _" <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: New Savatage interview
Message-ID: <19990503183554.97004.qmail@hotmail.com>
There's a new Chris Caffery interview of Savatage on 'Epigram for the last
straw' for anyone interested.
The address is:
http://homex.s-one.net.sg/member/progmetal
Seeyaround,
fateswarm
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:38:21 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Spocks Beard
Message-ID: <3fe221ad.245f471d@aol.com>
I've waited months for this, but now I found out that I *can't* go because
Upstair's at goddamn Nick's has an age limit. Well I'll just buy the Beard's
Official Live Bootleg and wait until the next time they come around.
Jim
np- Carisma (1825), Sanvoisen (Soul Seasons), Spock's Beard (Day 4 Night)
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:54:55 -0400
From: "Madcap" <madcap_lghs@email.msn.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Spocks beard in Philly (NDTC)
Message-ID: <000701be9596$70e2d720$546e2399@default>
Can someone on the list give me info about this show, like cost, location,
etc etc? I would like to attend, but I have no clue where Upstairs at Nicks
is in Philly & how to get there. Thanks
Madcap
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:49:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Spocks Beard
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990503094720.26297A-100000@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> DAMN! These guys are going on tour but nowhere near here (Utah):< Any =
Hell, I just wish SB would come somewhere near Texas. We're a pretty big
venue for shows -- every self-respecting tour should stop in at least one
of Houston, Austin, or Dallas-Fort Worth:> It's been far too long since
I've seen anything even remotely resembling prog...
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:20:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Sympathy for Sam's Friend
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990503150905.18004A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Al which if typed on an Apple II would look exactly like A1 wrote:
[Me: Lucifer's Friend's first album was actually released in '73, but Al
was close enough. I found a copy of _Where Groupies Killed the Blues_ as
[an import in my local Tower several months back. As I recognized the name
[of the group from reading the liner notes of Uriah Heep's Innocent Victim
[(John Lawton was in both groups), I picked it up, and have been searching
>I reiterate: It's "Lucifer's Friend," it's not plural. (according to the
>album label)
That is most certainly true, and you will see if you look again, that I
did not type it as a plural. I used the apostrophe showing the possessive.
It is their album. Otherwise, it would be Friends', no es verdad?
Unfortunately, there is no date whatsoever. I was sure is was pre 1973.
We are talking about the same band, Lawton is in the credits.
I figured we were. Although, I went from allmusic's database. When I got
home, I looked at _Groupies_ and it gave the date as 1972, and I believe
it is the second album. So your album may indeed be from 70/71. My
heartfelt apologies.
paulw
NP Olivia Tremor Control: Black Foliage
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
I've ceased to see where I'm going to;/ Don't want to.
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:00:58 -0700
From: Tom Tubbiola <ttubbiola@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Hard to find CD HELP!!! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <372E0077.AA6C8937@earthlink.net>
Hi All,
I'm looking for a rare scorpions CD and thought someone here would probably know where I could find it in
stock.
The CD is: Best of Scorpions (volume 1) released in 1979. I've found a few sites that list it but noone
has any in stock. DOH!
If anyone can help I'd be forever grateful.
Tom Tubbiola
np: Oh Holy Night : Acoustic Dreams
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:13:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: VAST
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9905031611020.3598-100000@viking.cris.com>
Okay, some of you jokers were asking about VAST recently. Out of the
kindness of my heart I put up two clips from the album Visual Audio
Sensory Theater. They can be found at:
http://www.dreamt.org/spine/audio/vast
Note: these are not full songs. Each is about 3 minutes long.
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:04:16 EDT
From: HeiNouSX@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Must we?
Message-ID: <ef1f7e81.245f6950@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/30/99 3:00:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Robert Jurado
<rojurado@pacific.net.ph> writes:
> John Myung action figures with the tae kwon do (sp?)
Tae Kwon Do is Korean...and John Myung however is Japanese. And besides, he
wasn't even born there.
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:15 +0200
From: GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Threshold - Psychedelicatessen
Message-ID: <199905032115.9ccr@semagroup.sema.se>
--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 99-05-03 23.15
THRESHOLD - Psychedelicatessen UK
Rating: * * * 1994
GIANT ELECTRIC PEA
GEPCD 1014
Running time: 56.25
Line-up:
Glynn Morgan (vocals) - Karl Groom (guitar and acoustic) - Nick
Midson (guitar) - Richard West (keyboards and orchestration) - Jon
Jeary (bass guitar and additional vocals) - Nick Harradence
(drums)
Songs:
Sunseeker (8.16) A Tension of Souls (7.09) Into the light (10.00)
Will to Give (4.59) Under the Sun (3.04) Babylon Rising (4.32) He
Is I Am (5.51) Innocent (4.36) Devoted (7.43)
This is the follow up to Thresholds excellent debut album. Their
vocalist Damian Wilson left the band before this album to sing
with Landmarq. The new singer Glynn Morgan was a decent
replacement for Damian Wilson, and this album is heavier and more
progressive than their debut "Wounded Land". Tony Grinham, the
drummer, also left before this album to spend more time with his
family. He was temporary replaced by Nick Harradence.
It's nice to hear that Threshold isn't just an ordinary Dream
Theater clone, as so many other progressive metal bands. Threshold
has made themselves a sound of their own. On this release their
music is somewhere between progressive metal, Heavy Metal and
Power Metal, with many mood and tempo changes and beautiful
melodies.
My favourites on this album is the opening "Sunseeker", "Into The
Light", "Babylon Rising", "Innocent" and "Devoted".
This is a very nice album even though it isn't as good as their
debut album "Wounded Land".
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:24:36 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Must we?
Message-ID: <iss.365a.372e140f.864e0.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: HeiNouSX@aol.com
Original Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:05:25 -0700 (PDT)
> Tae Kwon Do is Korean...and John Myung however is Japanese. And besides,
> he
> wasn't even born there.
Um, if I remmeber correctly Myung is Korean. Not that it matters, except
that you're wrong. :-P
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:02:40 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Must we?
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990503220240.0072243c@pi-r-squared.com>
>> Tae Kwon Do is Korean...and John Myung however is Japanese. And besides,
>> he
>> wasn't even born there.
>
>Um, if I remmeber correctly Myung is Korean. Not that it matters, except
>that you're wrong. :-P
>
>-Brian
In the man's defense, as I made this mistake (and was subsequently
corrected) as well. Myung IS a Japanese name. Now it might be Korean too for
all I know.. I do not profess ANY knowledge of the Korean language or Korean
culture. However, I do know a bit about Japan in those areas (A BIT I said,
so don't go flaming me by testing my knowledge) and can assure you that not
only does Myung exist as a name among the Japanese, but it is also fairly
common(as both a first and a last name). Anyway, the point is that it's easy
for someone to make a mistake, and it's certainly not drawn out of complete
ignorance. blah.
Palpatine
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
"Too bad! You were almost really evil!"
-Shishio, Rurouni Kenshin
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:38:46 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Muffin' Fool Eats the Yellow Snow
Message-ID: <372DDF26.66F6C00E@mol.com.mk>
> KorgX3
> NP: Frank Zappa - Strictly Commercial (I can't turn this guy off!)
Gotta love seing new dude discovering Zappa. Go Korgy Go, Go! :)
BTW, can please the jammer who offered his FTP to me to upload an MP3
file get in touch with me???
-- CyberDuke"Now that I know that I'm breaking to pieces I'll Pull out my heart and I'll feed it to anyone Crying for sympathy crocodile cry for the love of the crowd and the three cheers from everyone ..."
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:22:40 +0200 From: "Ties" <Ties@Rattenmonster.de> To: Ties@Rattenmonster.de Subject: Vanden Plas site online again! Message-ID: <m10eR6z-00NPh9C@Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE>
Finally the big update of "The Web Thing" is done, check it out at http://www.vandenplas.de ! On the site you'll find loads of information about the German progressive metal band Vanden Plas including news about the new album and single, mp3 samples from all of the albums plus a live song and a lot of other things.
Thanks for your time, bis bald!
Ties
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:45:46 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: response to TAXI.COM article Message-ID: <199905032245.RAA11423@busprod.com>
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'm a collector of wrongheaded writings....
now I'm not saying that this is the way that it is.. i understand that there is a gap between the way things are and the way things should be... or at least better... to some degree....
what I find disgusting is the premise that people have short attention spans and that you have to feed into the declining trend in the value of investing time and effort into anything that you do.... when you think about the sloth that works in the same office or store or whatever that you do and you think about how they never do their job right or never put any effort into anything they do and when you think about the brother or sis that seems to be drifting through life and you just hope that someday they will find something to give them a reason to absorb the wonderful world and to engage in living again... in not letting life live them. think about this article and about how people are advocating that we never challenge people. that music should never be about getting a person to take attention away from the carefully crafted commercials long enough for them to realize that if they just used their mind more then they wouldnt have to use their wallets as much.... that enjoying life is a matter of challenging yourself with creativity and learning and paying attention to the things that are amazing... a well writtten song, a carefully crafted work of art... a friend with a great zest for life, a lover that really truly loves you...
greatness makes you think... comes in all shapes and sizes and forms...and makes you pay attention... this article advocates that your art should reflect the overwhelming trend towards mediocrity. I personally would rather never make a penny from my music rather than know that i contributed to the loss of american mental vitality.
i owe so much to the artists that showed me through their art that there is so much more to life than giving in...
this type of mentality is an insult to anyone striving to transcend typical consumerism where you are slowly manipulated into having a short attention span... a need for instant gratification... no pride in your own individuality and ability to acheive... where you are susceptable to the advertisements offering you an endless stream of products that instantly gratify... fall apart... and leave you wanting more....
thank you for listening... if you got this far :-)
bruce bforst@busprod.com
>FROM WWW.TAXI.COM > >"Don't bore us, get to the chorus. > >Keep the intros short. Long intros are self-indulgent and may turn the >listener off before they even get a chance to hear the rest of the song. >Keep your verses short. People want to hear the hook, and they need to hear >it right away or they'll go to another station. > >Don't let your melodies meander. > >Meandering melodies bore listeners. Simple but interesting melodies that >resolve well work much better. Make sure that your choruses are melodically >and rhythmically different from your verses. It's also good to use bridges >in most songs, and make sure that they make the song interesting and uplift >the listener. By that, I mean that the bridge should set the listener up for >a final chorus and vamp. Make the listener feel that the big finish is on >its way. > >Embellish the chorus. > >Use a change in the rhythmic structure and introduce new instrumentation to >make your chorus become as important as it needs to be. Big choruses make >big hits. People want to sing along and tap their feet. Give them what they >want."
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