YTSEJAM Digest 4857
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4856
by DWilk46577@aol.com
2) The Manchester Clinic... SPOILER, Warning, it's long!
by "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
3) Re: Dali's Dilemma today!
by "Trevin Wagner" <trevin@apexmusic.com>
4) EQ and Tone and stuff
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
5) captain, you are being highly illogical.
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
6) Manchester Clinic (another review) - SPOILER (It's LONG, too)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Manchester Clinic (another review) - SPOILER (It's LONG, too)
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
8) Tone and EQ controls
by "Raitz" <raitz@cafe.ee>
9) Re: Tone and EQ controls
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
10) better than star wars
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
11) Re:Tone and EQ controls
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
12) Re: Menacing Phantoms (no spoilers)
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
13) 3D DT Art, Emotional DT
by Niall Connaughton <nconnaug@socs.uts.edu.au>
14) Re: The Phantom Menace
by "Jordan Orlowski" <jordania@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:45:36 EDT
From: DWilk46577@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4856
Message-ID: <a85c99d0.2474a720@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-05-19 18:58:49 EDT, you write:
<< DARTH MAUL DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
NO HE DOESN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:04:33 -0400
From: "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The Manchester Clinic... SPOILER, Warning, it's long!
Message-ID: <000901bea27e$4109e8a0$a88a06d1@tiac.net>
Hey all...
In case you wanted to know what happened at the Manchester clinic about
2 hours ago, I'll tell you my take on it. Here goes.
I arrived at 6:00 only to have to wait about 1.5 hours to get in. Well
worth the wait. We were greeted by a sporty short haired chick who runs the
show for Daddy's (Promotion dept.) I will admit that the waiting in the
rain was pretty shitty, but when you have 2/5 of DT you do what they want on
DT time! While I'm at this I suppose that I will write about all the
shitty stuff so that I can finally get to the awesome stuff which there is a
hell of a lot more of. The damn place was too fucking hot. I am a big guy,
but this is fucking aweful, here I am sweating to death, let alone Mike and
John, they must have been dying up there... under hot lights nonetheless.
They oversold the show and had a bunch of people standing. SHITTY! Rule #1
in promotions, make sure that your guests are comfortable. I was lucky and
managed to secure kickass seats and managed to get a whole bunch of Sabian,
Tama and Ibanez literature. The literature was colorful and pleasing to the
eye as well as impressive when layed out in a huge pile on my chair.
Now the kickass shit. John and Mike came out after a less than adequate
introduction by the promotions lady. They entered however to a rousing
applause from all of us DT fans, well deserved considering what we were
about to experience.
They both started of by saying something like, "I am glad to see that
you didn't go and see Star Wars tonight" Then kicked into an improvised jam
that lasted about 10 minutes. Just a warmup. This clinic lasted 2.5 hours
or more.
Then Mike played New Millenium and then Kindred Spirits. His only mess
up was in Kindred Spirits. I think that this was because he didn't pace
himself and jumped into it too quickly after playing some fills and stuff.
He should have chilled and answered more questions. LTE songs are very
aggressive. I'm sure that he would concur. He answered some good and then
some downright stupid questions. He played a little bit of name that tune,
which was VERY FUN. He steered away from progressive stuff and was very
hush-hush about the new DT album. He did go as far as to say that the
release date will be in either late Sept. or Oct. He then played out to
"Hells Kitchen" and introduced John (who incidently brought his beautiful
wife and children and mother with him, this was the childrens first
experience seeing their father play live) I will say that John's "section"
of the clinic was a little bit less organized, but still awesome. He didn't
have a lot of clear answers for all of the questions he was asked, but some
of the questions were downright tough to answer. He played Paradigm Shift
and broke down the elements to playing it. He went into playing some other
guitar stuff (can't you tell I'm a drummer) and finished off with Track 8
off LTE (which I can't remember the name of) He played some other LTE stuff
before this. Then he and Mike jammed on some JLMB and some other DT stuff.
They finished off with a kickass jam. Then the promotions lady came up and
gave out a less than adequate supply of promotions stuff for the amount of
people there, but nonetheless it was good. I didn't stick around for the
signings because it was getting real late (11:00 pm) and I still had about a
45 minute ride to get home. Thats about it. Later, J
Jeremy Kube
inflmmbl@tiac.net
kube@nh.ultranet.com
inflammabl@aol.com
"This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in
"Clerks"
"If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:00:38 -0500
From: "Trevin Wagner" <trevin@apexmusic.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Dali's Dilemma today!
Message-ID: <002a01bea27d$b4d62f60$8184e5cf@wagners>
>Subject: Dali's Dilemma today!
>Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9905181910550.11102-100000@mariner.cris.com>
>
>Dali's Dilemma "Manifesto For Futurism". You should go pick it up. No I'm
>serious. You'll thank me for the reminder later. Go get it. GO GET IT!
>
>Good. :)
>
YES!!
>Anyone have Dali's Dilemma yet? I'm not gonna get it for a long time cause
I
>ordered it along with LTE2 from cdnow to get the 10 bucks off, so it won't
be
>here til middle of june so I wanna know what you guys think.Thanks! bye!
You will be very pleased!!
My only comment--and maybe someone (not you Ptacek!!) knows...
I was reading the liners this weekend and noticed there is no mastering
credit anywhere. Was this really released w/o being mastered?? It seems
most apparent when "Whispers" goes into "Ashen Days" that the recording was
not given that finishing touch. Very disappointing if this was a concious
decision by Magna Carta. But then, could it be oversight!
And our beloved Dr. Mosh is given Special Thanks.
Trevin
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:11:04 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: EQ and Tone and stuff
Message-ID: <000f01bea27f$3da93c00$967dfea9@madstation>
> Ditch the tone controls and EQs unless you are one of the few that
> have actually used a pink noise generator and spectrum analyzer to
> EQ the room for flat response. If you're using an EQ, and have not
> done this, you're not using it correctly and are probably doing more
> harm than good. The bottom line: Tone controls and EQs are for
> people that don't have the balls to do it right. Fix your room!
I'm inclined to think that this is audiophile elitism hogwash. :) Al,
you know your shit, and this can not be denied... but if I can improve the
sound to my own ears by toying with eq and stuff, ESPECIALLY considering I
have not the perfect $30,000 audio system, then where's the problem? You
may have to be a rocket scientist to get your stereo to outperform God and
to make toast and stuff... but anyone with ears can compare flat response
and eq settings and decide on what he or she likes.
Think about your statement if applied to guitar amps. Tone is a matter
of taste, not necessarily a flat standard... or wouldn't you ditch your
speakers and amp for some high end studio monitors to get the EXACT sound of
the recording?
- Chris
-Who just got the K&N air filter for his Avenger, more than a year after Al
told him what could be done to beef up his car
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:16:28 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: captain, you are being highly illogical.
Message-ID: <3743A8BC.66F0D9E1@bigfoot.com>
>And to whomever it was that posted a rather revealing comment about the
>movie: If what you said is true, and you spoiled it for me, I swear,
your
>mother will WEEP when she finds out what I have done to you.
Well, it pissed me off too for a minute, as it was immature and
irritating.
But you do realize that your statement is illogical, don't you, Andrew?
You can't have a movie spoiled for you in retrospect. :) Since you won't
find out until afterwards whether or not it was spoiled for you, and the
nature of a spoiled story is knowing the ending beforehand, and you
don't, you have not been spoiled. period.
If some fuck-o responded to the initial post with something like "Dude,
why'd you spoil it!" then THAT would have spoiled it. As it stands now,
we know nothing more than what we started with.
Although, after thinking about it, the original post might have been an
ATTEMPT to spoil the thing. That's something you can verify once you've
seen the movie.
But if he does die, can I guess how? I'm guessing he forgot he had a
two-sided saber. whoops!
josh
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 03:09:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Manchester Clinic (another review) - SPOILER (It's LONG, too)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990520023442.28558A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Well, despite a SHITTY time trying to find the place (warning: Never use
the website known as mapquest.com - it totally gave us wrong directions,
even going as far as saying turn right when it meant left), I was blown
away by the clinic. Since I had never seen any kind of Dream Theater
performance, I was VERY happy to be able to see it.
I got there at a little after 7, thinking that it would be open already
and very full. Turns out that the doors didn't open until a little before
7:30, at which point the line emptied into the building quite rapidly.
Good thing, because it was raining like mad.
We all took our seats (except for those of us who were in the tail end of
the line - we had to stand. Actually, I was glad I was standing - I was
right at the back of the crowd, smack dab in the center; it gave me a
really good spot to hear the mix. After an introduction from this chick
named Candy, they took the stage to huge cheers and applause from the
quite-large crowd. Mentioning that they were quite glad we went to see
them instead of The Phantom Menace (which Mike cracked jokes about several
times during the night), they opened with an improv jam that lasted maybe
ten minutes - it was great, it consisted of some really nice playing by
JP, coupled of course by the incredible grooves laid down by MP.
After playing that, JP left the stage (I don't remember if they played
anything else together or not) and Mike proceeded into his half of the
program. He explained that since he was sharing the evening, he wouldn't
go as in-depth with his stuff as he normally does. He played New
Millennium, followed by Kindred Spirits, then he opened up the forum for
questions. There were some rather lame questions, but some good ones as
well - such as the guy asking if he could break down this one beat in
ACOS, which I thought was really neat. The way MP broke it down really
explained a lot... Even though I'm not a drummer, it really made me
understand the music a lot better. He played a tribute to all his
favorite drummers, doing kind of a guess-what-tune-goes-to-this-drumming
game, including around 40 different songs that could be distinguished by a
particular drum groove.
After some rousing questions about the new album and what it was like
recording it, he finished off with Hell's Kitchen (one of my all-time
favorite DT grooves), and let John take the stage. JP opened up with
Paradigm Shift, which absolutely left me breathless - I've never SEEN
playing like that live. The explanation he gave about that tune, about
how to better achieve good riffs with as little effort as possible, gave
me a LOT to work on with my guitar-playing. He explained a lot about how
to get better coordinated with the left and right hands, which was great
as well. He also answered questions about things like the really fast run
in PMU (the one just before the chorus) and then described some great
technique exercises like octave skips and stuff. The only really disap-
pointing thing about his half of the program was that when people asked
him about certain riffs or runs that he played in certain songs, most of
the time his answer would be "Wow, I just don't remember that song." This
was kind of a let-down. I know *I* would have liked to have heard Flight
of the Bumblebee as well.
Despite the fact that I would have liked to have heard more playing
song-wise from him, he played one of my favorite ballads, State of Grace,
then finished off with Universal Mind, which blew my socks off. I'd never
heard that song all the way through, and it gave me some great surprises.
Mike re-took the stage, and they thanked everybody for coming, then
finished off the evening with Biaxident, after which came another improv
jam that included stuff from JLMB and a few other things I didn't pick up
on. At the end of it all, they completed the night with that little riff
that they used on the end of Voices in OiaLT (what's that from, anyway?).
Candy then hopped up onstage and gave away some t-shirts and drumsticks,
none of which I won. The highlight of this part of the evening was the
Sabian splash cymbal which was given away and the used pair of sticks Mike
had played with. When it was all finished, I helped put away some chairs,
being the nice guy that I am, and then promptly realized that I had been
pushed WAY to the back of the autographs line, but it actually moved
rather quickly. I got the chance, while I was waiting in line, to look at
the band score book to WDADU. By the time I made it to the front, it was
quieting down, and I got the chance to chat a little with the two gents.
I managed to somehow get out through the nervousness that I was obviously
a big fan, that I had started listening about a year ago, etc. JP was
very cordial, signed the two CDs I handed him, chatting away. I told Mike
that I was on the 'jam, and he seemed very interested, mentioning that he
had probably read my posts all the time, but obviously couldn't put a face
to the name because I'd never been to a DT performance. I told him I was
quite glad that I got to see them, since it was my first time seeing any
kind of DT-related performance, and he asked me to give a good review to
everybody on the list.
So there it was. A great evening, despite some bumpy stuff beforehand.
So, to recap: What have I learned this evening?
1. Never trust mapquest.com.
2. It's really cool to expose your kids to the kinds of music you play.
(Kudos to JP for bringing his family, even though it WAS late - they
must be really proud of you)
3. The section in ACOS I that has the instruments building up is in 7/4
for the band, but in 7/8 for the drummer.
4. Learn my classic rock drum grooves better.
5. Always keep the right hand in the guitar going down-up-down-up-down-up,
and don't try to start with a downstroke just because the riff repeats.
6. Never underestimate the power of a muted pull-off to make it sound like
you're doing more work than you really are.
7. I REALLY REALLY need to buy LTE and LTE 2.
8. An October release of a new DT album is just too damn far away.
9. Don't help put away chairs, or you'll have to wait forever to get
autographs.
10. I never get door prizes.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
_Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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I love defenseless animals, especially in good
gravy.
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 03:54:10 -0400
From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Manchester Clinic (another review) - SPOILER (It's LONG, too)
Message-ID: <000901bea295$f255f920$32aa889e@guest3382>
I also attended this clinic; I went with Andrew Coutermarsh (we go to the
same college and have been hanging out for a couple of years). After his
extensive post, there's not really much I can add, save the following...
The only thing MP would say about the new DT release in October is
that it is "very progressive" and "over the top". (Maybe HE should solve
the "definition of prog" dilemma... ;)
He did say, however, that it's what he's always wanted in a DT album.
He also said that with 3/4 of LTE now making up 3/5 of DT there would
be a convergence in styles.
I came, I saw, I got my autographs (no time for pics with JP/MP,
though...grr...)
Sadly, I have nothing else to add, except that it was a GREAT
experience (my first time seeing DT perform in any shape or form).
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to send some mail to mapquest.com...
Regards,
Josh Calkin:
URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony
E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu
ICQ: 22473371
AOL IM: Mortua
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:07:44 +0300
From: "Raitz" <raitz@cafe.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Tone and EQ controls
Message-ID: <199905200807.LAA21224@ns.uninet.ee>
> From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
> Well, this is a bit unfair. Firstly, you can't say you're not using it
> correctly; at the end of the day, EQ on a sterio system is there to
> improve the sound the listener hears. So in using it for that purpose,
Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that people use EQ knobs
because they don't know any better. I just performed a test on a friend of
mine who always claimed "flat EQ takes away the depth of music". Well,
guess what? After a couple of weeks of forced flat EQ experience, he never
touched the EQ knobs again. One more person who discovered the wonders of
unaltered sound. Some may argue that "I have to compensate the
shortcomings of those lousy speakers I have got here", but the truth of
the matter is that, that ANY set of speakers sounds better if the sound is
not altered in any way, i.e. either the "source direct" option is turned
on, or the so called tone control buttons are at ground zero. Believe me,
I've tried and succeeded. My pair of shit speakers never sounded better.
<smile>
Plus the fact that the guys at the mixing console really must have known
what they were doing, so there's really no point in messing up the sound
they've come up with.
Now, the next big question, right after the EQ thing, is compressed
sound... <grin> Which I'm contra.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable --
demand the impossible!
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 04:49:13 -0400
From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Tone and EQ controls
Message-ID: <000901bea29d$a2e16c00$32aa889e@guest3382>
> Plus the fact that the guys at the mixing console really must have known
> what they were doing, so there's really no point in messing up the sound
> they've come up with.
I don't doubt that the guys at the board know what they're doing, but the
mix they they settle on is, in the long run, their OPINION as to what the
best sound is. Even for them, it's all about personal preference, which
is what EQ/tone controls are for the listener.
NP: Oingo Boingo - Dead Man's Party
Josh Calkin:
URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony
E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu
ICQ: 22473371
AOL IM: Mortua
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 04:57:07 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: better than star wars
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F41F1@ms.kallback.com>
Wow. This is how it should be.
A Magna Carta release almost every
two weeks this summer.
May 18, 1999-DALI'S DILEMMA-"Manifesto For Futurism"
June 1, 1999-ICE AGE-"The Great Divide"
June 15, 1999-LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT-"LTE"
June 29, 1999-TILES-"Presents of Mind"
July 13, 1999-DEREK SHERINIAN
July 27, 1999-ROYAL HUNT-"Live"
August 24, 1999-MULLMUZZLER-"Keep It To Yourself"
Long live Magna Carta!
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:41:26 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re:Tone and EQ controls
Message-ID: <37441106.79BD287B@isd.net>
Trevor W. Hoit
> Get busy and try this!!! Any feedback would be welcomed.
[What if I put my speakers from my Sony mini system on top of my
[entertainment center and sit on the couch, would that work? :)
No. Smaller speakers need to be AT ear level. Keep them OFF book
shelves and away from other furniture. Try making temporary stands
with a pair of chairs and a stack of books. Make sure the face of the
speaker has NOTHING directly below it, in other words: The speaker
baffle should be the closest thing to you, not part of the stand.
Also, with small speakers you need to keep the distances small.
I would recommend four feet between them. Therefore, the listening
area should also be four feet from each speaker.
Simon John Dodd wrote:
> done this, you're not using it correctly and are probably doing more
> harm than good. The bottom line: Tone controls and EQs are for
[Well, this is a bit unfair. Firstly, you can't say you're not using it
[correctly; at the end of the day, EQ on a sterio system is there to
[improve the sound the listener hears. So in using it for that purpose,
[you're using it correctly; albeit not perhaps in the manner that people
[with any detailed knowledge of EQ would. Second, there is NO
[WAY that you can suggest that you'd do more harm than good. I
[mean, that's just nonsense. If it sounds better to the listener, then
[that's good, right? Okay, so in an ideal world, we'd all be sound
[engineers and know exactly how to use everything in the way it was
[intended. But then, that would make my degree useless.
Yes... and no. Just because it sounds better to them doesn't make
it right. Most people have the classic "champagne glass" EQ curve.
This over emphasizes the high and low end causing mid bass washout
and a shrilly high end. It's what they have become used to. Until they have
taken the time to listen to stuff flat, they'll never will know what it's supposed
to sound like. If your gear sounds so bad that it can't be tolerated without
the use of drastic tone alteration, it's time to address the REAL problem.
Even cheaper small speakers can sound OK once you've learned to accept
their limitations. Force feeding them bass they really can't correctly
reproduce is a exercise in futility. FAR better results can be achieved with
proper room placement. You need to consider this: If a speaker is not
designed to produce the lower octaves, overemphasizing that frequency range
will only cause excessive cone travel resulting in cone break up. (distortion)
Once this condition is reached, the entire spectrum suffers as the cone is
busy violently attempting to do the impossible. Therefore, they ARE doing
more harm than good. People have become used to that sound and accept
it as normal. WRONG.
EQs were primarily designed to deal with room problems in PA systems that travel from
place to place where room tuning was not an option. In a permanent installation, it's
nothing more than a Band-Aid. (No pun intended:)
ANYTHING inserted in the signal path causes sound degradation, this includes
interconnects, and most certainly EQs, this can't be disputed. The best you could hope
for is neutrality, it will NEVER improve the line signal. The simplest path is the
best. Ideally, you should have the source, preamp, then amp without any unnecessary
gadgets. Interconnect cables can have a huge impact on the signal, those 'El-cheapo
cables are the worst. Never sell your system short by using cheap cables.
KorgX3 wrote:
>KorgX3 is aching for some Beef Stroganoff
>NP: Rush - Test For Echo
Test For Echo? Couldn't you do that under the desk of the Spandex Bitch?
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:42:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Menacing Phantoms (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990520093239.24824A-100000@gs.bass.org>
DTDownload made the fatal error of pissing off the jam with his/her
impromptu post:
<Possible spoiler deleted; whether it is true or not, I refuse to say>
This was a very Shi*ty thing to do. Even my post, with all its spoiler
warnings gave nothing away. A little joke for all those who didn't care
much. All I will say is that I am glad I saw it (twice, already) and
already have tix for Saturday. At the Uptown, on Connecticut Ave.
Paul
NP Original Soundtrack: The Phantom Menace (The best track is [Spoiler
police: All right, enough out of you. If it happens again, you'll be
clubbed like a baby seal. Move along, Nothing to see here.]) :)
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
I'm smiling/ with the mouth of the ocean/ I'll wave to you/ with the arms
of the mountains/ I see you
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:46:14 +1000 (EST)
From: Niall Connaughton <nconnaug@socs.uts.edu.au>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 3D DT Art, Emotional DT
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9905210039490.329-100000@sally>
First of all, let me say this.
I am very picky about what I have for my background on my computer, as I
will spend most of my time staring at it, instead of working. I haven't
changed my background in 3 years. But just now I went and had a look at
those 3D DT pics of the majesty symbol. I have a new background. From now
on, a large, golden majesty symbol will be looming in the background of
windows, watching over everything I do (like playing DT mp3's :) ). Cool.
Thanks for the pics, Simon. Do some more and post the jam when they're up
on the page...
Also, I'm glad someone mentioned Space-Dye Vest as an emotional song. I
was beginning to think I was the only one that found that song
emotional... I do, however, agree with Scarred, and I definitely agree
with the "I said `I Love You' ..... `Goodbye'" part of ACoS. Still I think
Space-Dye is the most emotional, for me at least, and I think it will be
hard to topple Space-Dye as my favourite DT song.
Keep on jamming!
Niall Connaughton
some uneducated fool's last words to me: "what the hell does ytse jam
taste like?"
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:47:17 GMT
From: "Jordan Orlowski" <jordania@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: The Phantom Menace
Message-ID: <19990520144717.21249.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi guys & gals,
>In response to
>Subject: The Phantom Menace (don't worry, no spoilers)
I totally agree, all you happy modern USA people who've seen the film, don't
spoil it for us sad backward UK people who have to wait a bit longer!
BTW, whoever posted that message from oz.plymouth.edu, if that's Plymouth,
England, did you know that Threshold's Karl and Rich both had their first
bands in that very same city. And as far as Mr. Miyagi's quote "Never trust
a spiritual leader who can't dance" goes, I say "Never trust an unspiritual
leader however good his footwork is"! I also say get your spiritual food
from Threshold's lyrics to "Change" at http://www.erotomania.org/threshold,
or "Sunrise On Mars" if you feel weighed down...
love Jordan
x
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