YTSEJAM Digest 4861
Today's Topics:
1) YtseJam
by Compadre32@aol.com
2) I was not prepared for the Beard
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) Various Responses
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) Same ol' addiction...
by Donnie Bowers <deviantgerbil@yahoo.com>
5) Dream Theater tribute CD
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
6) Re: Masquerade
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
7) Spock's Show 5/23/99 MPLS
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
8) Learning to Live
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
9) Re: Learning to Live
by Carlos Alfaro <prog@yunque.net>
10) Re: Learning to Live
by AutumsTear@aol.com
11) Re: Re: Masquerade
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
12) Get your Kevin Moore demos CD signed!
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
13) IRON MAIDEN tourdates!!!!
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:06:21 EDT
From: Compadre32@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: YtseJam
Message-ID: <8df673d6.2478e6cd@aol.com>
My new thing now on the Jam is short, sweet and simple posts.
heres mine this time:
THE YTSEJAM ISNT A MAILING LIST, ITS A STATE OF MIND.
by the way, if any of yall high school kids out there know about this,
channel 1 (the national high school news network) must have some jammers
workin the control room cause ive heard many a Dream Theater tune as the
opening and/or closing music on several occasions. Oh well...i thought it
was cool as hell....
-Compadre32-
(Give me some input on what you think of my short posts from now on)
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 03:18:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: I was not prepared for the Beard
Message-ID: <199905230818.DAA14803@adam.enteract.com>
Hey folks,
I can not BELIEVE what a great, amazing, amusing, comical, serious
and astound show Spocks Beard put on last night/this morning. Somewhere
between 2 and 3 hours... just incredible. What an amazing stage
presence... these guys were just the greatest. Starting to make me think
that I'm wasting time working on chops... wild. If you don't like Spocks,
go to one of these shows, and you WILL be converted.
Hand Farm opened, with an exceptional set. Scott is a cool mother
<shutchomouth> hey, I'm talking about Shaft. Great guitarist. Sounds
like a cross between Holdsworth and Shawn Lane. Much more picking than
Holdsworth, much smoother sounding than Lane. Equally bombastic and
fusion drenched. He says he draws a lot of influence from guys like McCoy
Tyner, Trane and the like. Super nice guy.
The 2 best drum solos I've witnessed this year were last night.
Vic Stevens did what HAD to be double stroke rolls with his feet, and Nick
from Spocks played an incredible MUSICAL drum solo. Awesome. A great
time was had by all. This is the best concert I have ever seen, and I'm
seeing it again on Monday. This is gonna be like 7 cds worth of material.
:)
--
Chris Ptacek - someone@prognosis.com
"Everything that can be invented has
been invented." -- Charles H. Duell,
Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 04:11:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Various Responses
Message-ID: <199905230911.EAA18499@adam.enteract.com>
> From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
> Subject: Slowing down guitar tracks
You need to decode the MP3 first in order for it to maintain pitch
level, I believe. The two best programs for what you're talking about
(it's generally referred to as "time stretch") are Cool Edit and Sound
Forge. You can find them on warez or get by with demo copies, or spend
way too much money on them.
> From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: Dali's Dilemma today!
> > You will be very pleased!!
> >
> > My only comment--and maybe someone (not you Ptacek!!) knows...
> > I was reading the liners this weekend and noticed there is no mastering
> > credit anywhere. Was this really released w/o being mastered?? It seems
> > most apparent when "Whispers" goes into "Ashen Days" that the recording was
> > not given that finishing touch.
Bite me, Wagner. I have your cd anyways. :)
> What "finishing touch" is it missing?
I agree with Trevin. The mix gets very squirrelie at times.
Sometimes the vocals are too quiet, most of the time the hi hats are WAY
too quiet... and Matt's awesome piano piece is most assuredly too quiet.
The first two are an engineering issue. The last is a mastering issue, in
that they should have (to some minor extent) normalized the volumes of the
tracks across the board. Not to remove dynamics, but to make it so you
don't have unnecessary eardrum bludgeoning. The piano thing is so soft
and quiet, and the tune that follows is just too loud in comparison to
make it a good transition, IMO.
Musically, I love this stuff. It's not what I want to do with
myself anymore (I want to be Spocks Beard and Tribal tech and Jason Becker
and Ron Thal more than I want to be Dream Theater. :) but it is bad ass.
Guillory does a LOT of Blues Saraceno inspired chops (I have no idea
why... I mean... what would make the guy do that?1?) mixed with some
blurring fingerwork. My favorite keyboardist on the market. Getchoself
some.
> The album was mastered at Prarie Sun Studios, by the way.
If _I_ master it at Prarie Sun it will STILL SUCK. A good audio
team working with a PC and Sound Forge will out do a half assed half
trained monkey any day. Not that I think the mastering is really even
that bad... I mean, I don't think I could have done better, but I do think
I would have changed the piano track volume...
> From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
> Subject: Re:EQ and Tone and stuff
> >[ I'm inclined to think that this is audiophile elitism hogwash. :) Al,
>
> Your inclination is wrong. The distortion introduced through consumer
> grade equalization components is MEASURABLE with instrumentation.
<snip>
> Anyone that argues with me on this topic could be characterized as
> someone that simply doesn't want their religion tainted by fact.
You misunderstand, captain audio. For those of us who simply can
not or choose not to spend a large fortune on our stereos (I'm about to
buy a $3000 amp head and $4000 worth or recording gear... my money has
other plans for its life) how can you argue that our ears are just wrong?
I think you're taking all of this and turning it into "Al and everyone who
studies the factual, scientific side of audio reproduction is wrong, and
we're right... our boom boxes are the best sound you can get." When you
have a very limited weak quality stereo, if messing with the eq makes it
sound better to you, then what is wrong with that? Why take that to mean
that it's a better solution than having the ultimate rig?
> To paraphrase you, Chris: "You're being a dick."
No, I'm not. I'm being totally serious. The point was
exaggerated, and you really need not take it so seriously.
> NO you can't get great sound for $300.00. But to suggest it takes $30,000.00
> to acquire something sonically pleasing is absurd. If throwing money
> to the wind is your bag, you could spend 30 grand on JUST the CD player.
> In reality, it takes about 10,000.00 to build a GOOD conservative
> "audiophile" system with separate components of extraordinary quality.
> This would include CD, tuner and cassette source components.
You don't seem to understand that to some people here, maybe even
myself included, that will never be a realizable goal. $10,000 for a
stereo, even if you build slowly, may not be logical for some people, who
just want to hear background music. I think one day I will work toward
that goal, but instead of pretending that anyone is arguing that a $12
radio is better than a $4,000 receiver, recognize that most people here
are totally content with factory car stereos, stock computer speakers, and
a stereo system that comes as a tape, cd, tuner and receiver all in one,
with a name like Sanyo or Aiwa.
> Exact is impossible. However... close is tangible.
You know what I mean, cheese tits. :)
All this in mind, I DO want the best possible sound. I just can't
afford it yet. I will be able to, because I know my GF would like a good
stereo too, and she knows something about sound (though her stereo isn't
fit for my dog's anal drippings). One day we'll have a bitchin' setup.
You just have more dedication to that goal than we do right now. It's
clearly a major love in your life. I am very note driven, and phrase
driven. I'm not so frequency driven. Hearing a "decent" reproduction of
the shound I want to hear is plenty good enough for me. How can you STAND
listening to music in a car though? With your tastes, I'd think you drive
around with headphones on.
> >[- Chris
> >[-Who just got the K&N air filter for his Avenger, more than a year after Al
> >[told him what could be done to beef up his car
>
> Well???? Does it pull harder and sound more authoritative?
Yes and sort of. I may change the muffler to get a lower sound.
It's never gonna take out a "Five Point Slow" (5.0) seeing as it's already
beat up and it's an automatic. I was a kid. What did I know?
> BTW, what did that Avenger set you back? I'll bet more than 10 grand. :) :)
More than it's worth... though it's lasted 125,000 miles (in less
than 4 years) so far.
> /Al sticks fork into Ptaceks steaming carcass. "Yup, he's done"
My carcass may be done, but my thumb is still twitching and my
venom can still hit you square in the eyes from across the room, bitch!
Chris Ptacek - someone@prognosis.com
"Everything that can be invented has
been invented." -- Charles H. Duell,
Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donnie Bowers <deviantgerbil@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Same ol' addiction...
Message-ID: <19990523094410.14111.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com>
To whom it may and/or may not concern,
I have been reading the "E.Q. Feud" for sometime
now... Is anyone keeping score? Is their a home
favorite? What's with that purple tubby-kat? I think
that I speak for the majority of the readers when I
say that Dream Theater is an incredible band. We
thoroughly enjoy listening to their music. Do we have
to have a $10,000 stereo system to do that? I tape
the DT CD's I own, and I listen to the tapes when I
go running, or when I am in the gym. You know what,
through headphones (approximately valued at $10)
played on a "walkman" (actually a no-name $20 portable
tape player), I still get to appreciate the music, and
ultimately enjoy it. That is not to say that I would
frown on owning a ten thousand dollar stereo system,
but in all honesty for one to enjoy their favorite
music, the "price of admission" doesn't have to be so
far up there. Now, it has been stated before, you
definitely know you stuff. Oh, and by the way,
talking over us with the octaves and what not, at
best, it is probably unappreciated. Granted, my
stereo system does not pick up Portnoy breathing hard
near the end of ACOS, but, it will suffice. Estimated
cost of "walkman" with headphones, DT CD, and a tape
it was recorded on, approximately $50. Appreciation
and listening enjoyment... Without end!
Value of my 2 cents, questionable... :)
The Reverend Forbidden Godflesh
NOTE: Not to be mistaken with "Foreboding Goldfish"
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:21:22 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dream Theater tribute CD
Message-ID: <37486342.436E@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi guys
Here are some infos I've got about the DT tribute CD :
The final tracklist is :
- EVIL WINGS (Italy) "A fortune in lies"
- AZTEC JADE (USA) "Another day"
- OVERLIFE (Spain) "Metropolis part I"
- ACCOMPLICE (USA) "Pull me under"
- MOON OF STEEL (Italy) "You not me"
- CMKY (Italy) "Surrounded"
- EMPTY TREMOR (Italy) Medley: Take the time / Under a glass moon / A change of season / Learning to live
- ELEVENTH HOUR (USA) "Learning to live"
- TWILIGHT KINGDOM (USA) "6.00"
- FIFTH SEASON (UK) "Peruvian skies"
The CD will be released on May 29th by Energie Records (Italy).
At the same day, the Italian DT fan club "Italian Dreamers" will have a Dream Theater day,
where EMPTY TREMOR & ZEN will play live.
To whom it may concern :
ET's keyboard player DANIELE LIVERANI has released his instrumental album "VIEWPOINT".
It's an awesome album and if you like LTE you should give VIEWPOINT a try.
JOEY VERA from FATES WARNING plays bass on VIEWPOINT (on 4 songs).
Goto http://utenti.tripod.it/dliverani/ and hear samples from all 11 tracks.
Another news :
Empty Tremor will release their long awaited 2nd album in October.
FOR MORE INFO ABOUT ALL THESE TOPICS, CHECK OUT:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ and goto NEWS.
NP : LTE 2 <--- Really another dimension
Arash
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:24:49 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Masquerade
Message-ID: <374801A1.2C90B8A@hm.telia.no>
Hello !
Diablo6491@aol.com wrote:
> I've got one CD by this group. Their a metal group that I thin=
k is
> from sweden. They use amazing vocal harmonies and I have no idea what =
else
> they're up too. I finaly bought their first disc off someone on the Ja=
m, but
> I've been listening to it for a year or so . . . does anyone have ANY
> information about this group whatsoever?:>
They released a follow up cd which is titled "Surface of pain"
which is more modern sounding, but nevertheless a great cd.
They are now signed to Metal Blade and will soon release a=20
new album.
Bye,
Bj=F8rnar,
Norway !
NP: Twilight Kingdom: 1998 promo
--=20
Writer for the Online Archive of Progressive Music Reviews and=20
News; Through Different Eyes: http://hem2.passagen.se/caxen/
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:58:25 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Spock's Show 5/23/99 MPLS
Message-ID: <37481791.1867853D@isd.net>
Any Jamsters going to the Spock's Beard show in Minneapolis? 5/23/99
I'll be there in full Ytse-battle gear.
NP: Dixieland (On the Swinette;-)
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:40:18 -0400
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Cc: "'Portnoy Mike'" <Portnoy420@aol.com>
Subject: Learning to Live
Message-ID: <C75EB672C5CCD211A88300104B6A9EF05D00B3@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
Ever get pissed off that LtL fades out on I&W ?? Shit, I do. Especially
after hearing the "full" version that they played live on the I&W tour
(listen to the 3-4 minutes of "extra song" on the Dance of Eternity bootleg,
for example). Even though it is sort of a straight forward jam, I like it.
Knowing how the song should have ended, had it not been "Praternized", I
cant seem to listen to I&W without getting that "blue-balled" feeling.
...... no comments from the amateur comedians out there .......
Anyhow, MP does have a version of LtL without the lame faded ending. And
supposedly, a great drum fill is in there as well. Since they are in the
process of finalizing the new record, I would like to propose that the full
LtL makes it as filler on a CD single or Japanese bonus track or maybe part
of the 1999 Christmas Present to the fanclub.
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@comversens.com
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:53:43 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <prog@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Learning to Live
Message-ID: <374840A7.417CA60B@yunque.net>
"Metzger, Mark" wrote:.....
>
> Anyhow, MP does have a version of LtL without the lame faded ending. And
> supposedly, a great drum fill is in there as well. Since they are in the
> process of finalizing the new record, I would like to propose that the full
> LtL makes it as filler on a CD single or Japanese bonus track or maybe part
> of the 1999 Christmas Present to the fanclub.
>
> Mark Metzger
> mmetzger@comversens.com
Err.. with songs like Raise the Knife not being recorded, why even bother
with re-recording an alternate version of LTL?
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:39:23 EDT
From: AutumsTear@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Learning to Live
Message-ID: <f966053a.2479a55b@aol.com>
Can someone send me a link to download Cool Edit Pro?
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:27:55 -0400
From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Re: Masquerade
Message-ID: <199905231325330@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>>They released a follow up cd which is titled "Surface of pain"
>>which is more modern sounding, but nevertheless a great cd.
>>They are now signed to Metal Blade and will soon release a=20
>>new album.
I believe the ONE CD being referred to here IS "Surface Of Pain", so the real question is...do they have others? "Surface Of Pain" is from 1994.
Rob
"...so I've got that going for me...which is nice."---Carl the assistant greenskeeper
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 00:11:34 +0200
From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Get your Kevin Moore demos CD signed!
Message-ID: <199905232213.AAA03419@quicknet.nl>
Just a quick note to tell you guys that your copy of Kevin Moore's
"This Is A Recording" demos CD will be signed, if you order BEFORE
Wednesday, May 26th!
"This Is A Recording (demos 1994-97)" has 15 Kevin Moore demos and
contains all the lyrics. To get your signed copy, please visit the
order page at:
Mark Bredius
itchy@chromakey.com
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:41:16 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: IRON MAIDEN tourdates!!!!
Message-ID: <3748840B.3C125858@earthlink.net>
Praise the gods!!!! Here are the MAIDEN tourdates..got them from a post
on the Progressive Metal Board "Perpetual Motion"
http://www.mindcage.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html
Read below for supreme joy and happiness........I'll get to see them on
their FIRST concert in the states with Bruce and Adrian!!!!
cheers,
Carlo (Fates)
NP: AT THE GATES "Slaughter of the Soul" <---"Cold" is one of the best
songs that has ever graced the earth!
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Here are all 28 dates for Iron Maiden's upcoming North American /
European tour. Tickets go on
sale at varying times, so check your local arena. If they're not coming
near you, or you don't live in
North America or Europe, don't worry, they'll be doing a huge-ass tour
next year following the
release of their next album. Machine Head will be opening from Montreal
to Detroit, and Monster
Magnet will be opening from Cleveland to Las Vegas. Another act, to be
announced later, will also
join the tour after Detroit. Megadeth will be opening for all 12
European gigs.
JULY
Tue 13 - Montreal, QUE - Molson Centre Amphitheatre
Special Guests: Machine Head
Wed 14 - Quebec City, QUE - L'Agora
Special Guests: Machine Head
Fri 16 - New York, NY - Hammerstein Ballroom
Special Guests: Machine Head
Sat 17 - Boston, MA - Orpheum
Special Guests: Machine Head
Tue 20 - Toronto, ONT - Massey Hall
Special Guests: Machine Head
Wed 21 - Cleveland, OH - Nautica
Special Guests: Machine Head, Monster Magnet
Fri 23 - Milwaukee, WI - Eagle's Ballroom
Special Guests: Machine Head, Monster Magnet
Sat 24 - Detroit, MI - Pine Knob
Special Guests: Machine Head, Monster Magnet
Sun 25 - Chicago, IL - Aragon Ballroom
Special Guests: Monster Magnet, another act (TBA)
Tue 27 - Denver, CO - Fiddler's Green
Special Guests: Monster Magnet, another act (TBA)
Fri 30 - Irvine, CA - Irvine Meadows Avalon
Special Guests: Monster Magnet, another act (TBA)
Sat 31 - San Jose, CA - San Jose Arena Theater
Special Guests: Monster Magnet, another act (TBA)
AUGUST
Mon 02 - Las Vegas, NV - The Joint
Special Guests: Monster Magnet, another act (TBA)
Thu 05 - El Paso, TX - County Coliseum
Special Guests: TBA
Sat 07 - San Antonio, TX - Sunken Gardens
Special Guests: TBA
Sun 08 - Dallas, TX - Bronco Bowl
Special Guests: TBA
SEPTEMBER
Thu 09 - Paris, France - Omnisport de Bercy
Special Guests: Megadeth
Fri 10 - Rotterdam, Holland - Ahoy
Special Guests: Megadeth
Sun 12 - Hamburg, Germany - Sporthalle
Special Guests: Megadeth
Wed 15 - Helsinki, Finland - Icehall
Special Guests: Megadeth
Fri 17 - Stockholm, Sweden - Globen
Special Guests: Megadeth
Sat 18 - Gothenburg, Sweden - Scandinavium
Special Guests: Megadeth
Mon 20 - Essen, Germany - Grugahalle
Special Guests: Megadeth
Tue 21 - Stuttgart Germany - Schleyerhalle
Special Guests: Megadeth
Thu 23 - Milan, Italy - Filaforum
Special Guests: Megadeth
Sat 25 - Barcelona, Spain - The Sports Palace
Special Guests: Megadeth
Sun 26 - Madrid, Spain - La Cubierta Bullring
Special Guests: Megadeth
OCTOBER
Fri 01 - Athens, Greece - Apollo Arena
Special Guests: Megadeth
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