YTSEJAM Digest 4863
Today's Topics:
1) Re:Various Responses
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
2) I almost forgot...
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
3) The Beard in Chicago...
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
4) CD-Now Coupon Request
by A Drummer <metropolis1999@yahoo.com>
5) Rush song - help, please?
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
6) Re: Rush news bit...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) Re: Tori...
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
8) Ambrosia - More of the early experiments in prog? / Star Warts / Ytseradio
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4861
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
10) FS: Adrian Belew tickets, Philadelphia (NDTC)
by The Central Scrutinizer <hender@wam.umd.edu>
11) sound
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
12) sound
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
13) Re: Channel1
by AyameYuki@aol.com
14) Review preview (from N. Gallop)
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
15) Re: Used CD's for Trade/Sale
by JamesAhab@aol.com
16) Tickets To Portnoy Clinic in Quebec City Tommorow
by Steve Godbout <sgodbout@microtec.net>
17) ROCK SHOW!!!
by Jose Enrique Ralat Ballester <jralat@coqui.net>
18) Superior mp3
by basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:21:46 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re:Various Responses
Message-ID: <37496079.28A9D60F@isd.net>
Chris Ptacek wrote:
> You misunderstand, captain audio. For those of us who simply can
>not or choose not to spend a large fortune on our stereos (I'm about to
>buy a $3000 amp head and $4000 worth or recording gear... my money has
>other plans for its life) how can you argue that our ears are just wrong?
I never said anyone's ears were wrong, I said: (in different words) Most peoples
perception was. If all you've ever had for lunch was shit sandwiches, Ham
& cheese is going to throw you for a loop.
>have a very limited weak quality stereo, if messing with the eq makes it
>sound better to you, then what is wrong with that? Why take that to mean
>that it's a better solution than having the ultimate rig?
First off... When I think of EQs, I think of an independent unit connected via
an external processing loop or tape loop. Most of those are bad enough, but
built in EQs???? Im speechless... I guess if it sounds better to you, that's
great. I can't think of any way to sugar coat this, so I won't.
> You don't seem to understand that to some people here, maybe even
>myself included, that will never be a realizable goal. $10,000 for a
You can get by for far less than $10,000.00 if you're willing to settle
for mid-fi. Mid-fi is still leaps and bounds above consumer audio.
I just HATE to see people waste $1,000.00 on junk. Even with a modest
budget for gear, WHAT you select at any price level is the key.
For instance: You could spend $1,000.00 on a Pioneer receiver and Cerwin
Vega speakers, Or, you could spend the same $1,000.00 on a Rotel receiver
and a small pair of B&W speakers. The Pioneer/Cerwin setup wouldn't stand
a chance against the Rotel/B&W setup. Now you've entered the mid-fi world
at the same price as some VERY POPULAR consumer grade gear.
>stereo, even if you build slowly, may not be logical for some people, who
>just want to hear background music. I think one day I will work toward
I don't see this list as a collective body of "background music" listeners.
>How can you STAND listening to music in a car though? With your tastes,
>I'd think you drive around with headphones on.
Actually, that one took some time... My New Yorker has a nice setup that
took months of hit-and-mis speaker and speaker placement games before
I had it dialed in. Now that I've bought a conversion van, the fun starts all
over again. My bass cabinets will work fine, as will the amps and head units.
(Yes, I said units. My CD drive is a separate Phillips single CD drive that
connects to the head unit via a CDP loop)
The speakers may be the issue in the new environment. I know for sure that
I'll need to modify the dash cover to accommodate my AR drivers and get
the proper angles. I'm going to make cabinets for the rear main speakers.
Fortunately, I know how the cabinets need to be built, placement will be the
tricky part. Sometimes it sucks being this anal... But there is a payoff.
I'm not trying to slam peoples gear, I'd at least like to get them to try
practicing proper listening techniques so they can extract the best possible
sound from the equipment they already have. And if this persuades them
to upgrade to the next plateau, GOOD FOR THEM!
> /Al sticks fork into Ptaceks steaming carcass. "Yup, he's done"
> My carcass may be done, but my thumb is still twitching and my
>venom can still hit you square in the eyes from across the room, bitch!
STOP! You're making me horny...
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:40:36 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: I almost forgot...
Message-ID: <374964E4.8D4B1E1B@isd.net>
I almost forgot to add this:
Chris Ptacek wrote:
>How can you STAND listening to music in a car though? With your tastes,
>I'd think you drive around with headphones on.
I've done that! I had a pair of Koss electrostatic phones wired directly
to the output of a Blaupunkt amp via the ESP headphone interface.
What a trip! But WAY too heavy. I'm not a huge fan of headphones,
they are no where near as involving as a good pair of speakers in the right
room. The sound stage is too narrow and I miss the organ massaging low end... :)
Oh yeah! The Spock's Beard show in Minneapolis was fantastic.
Speaking of organ massaging...
^ *
(#
kejkasdh $
UR%^EJGH&^%
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Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:41:06 -0700
From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Beard in Chicago...
Message-ID: <LMLPHACKNFBJAAAA@my-dejanews.com>
I'm going with Ptacek on this one.
The Spock's Beard show last Sat. night in Chicago, besides being very well-attended, much to everyone's delight, was
THE END OF MUSICAL LIFE ON EARTH AS WE KNOW IT.
this coming from someone who has seen a fair number of shows (100?) in his humble lifetime.
I'm predicting total global domination by the Beard on or about 12:24 p.m. this Thursday, or in the next five years - I'm usually really unaccurate with these kinds of things...
Mike
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: A Drummer <metropolis1999@yahoo.com>
To: The Mirror <themirror@egroups.com>, The Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: CD-Now Coupon Request
Message-ID: <19990524164817.21485.rocketmail@web607.mail.yahoo.com>
Sorry to clutter the Jam, but I am looking to pre-order LTE2 and I was
wondering if anyone knew the link for the $10 off (of a 15 dollar
purchase) coupon at CD-Now?
I know that this was mentioned previously, but I forgot to write it
down.
Thank You
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:55:56 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Rush song - help, please?
Message-ID: <24A54EC2D47@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
Guys,
Believe it or not, I think I heard Rush on the radio. I was quite
disappointed about this, because I really liked the song, and I'm not
really a Rush fan. Alright, in fact, I really dislike Rush. But
anyway, this song was really cool, and I think he said it was Rush.
The lyrics included stuff like
"Alternating currents...blah blah" and:
"From the point of conception to the moment of truth
Someone please tell me that this isn't Rush so I can go back to not
liking them. Or if it is, what song is it and what album.
Si
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"When a man lies, he murders some part of the world
These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives
All this I cannot bear to witness many longer;
Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home?"
-Cliff Burton
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:31:09 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Rush news bit...
Message-ID: <003201bea60b$6d583160$0201010a@chuck>
>place in Toronto, will see all four original members of the legendary
>Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, John Rutsey, and Neil Peart -- reunited.
Neil wasn't an original member was he? I thought he replaced the original
drummer after the 2nd album. Either/or, it's about time they get officially
recognized one way or another. Now if the f'n RnR Hall of Fame would induct
them. :P Shit, Pink Floyd's not even in there yet are they? Of course, Bob
Dylan and the Stones are, I'm sure... *Korg ponders who is more deserving*
> "From the point of conception to the moment of truth
>Someone please tell me that this isn't Rush so I can go back to not
That's Prime Mover from the album Hold Your Fire. Hey, I used to not be a
great Rush addict until I picked up that album. IMO, one of their best.
Pick it up, the whole album is as good as and better than that song
(although I >love< the bassline in that song the most).
Jeez, I hear Rush on the radio all the time. As backwater as the place I
live is, there's alot of Rush sympathizers over here. :)
--
KorgX3 squirts venom at AL. Oops, that's not venom...
NP: Iron Maiden - 7th Son...
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:34:55 PDT
From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Tori...
Message-ID: <19990524183455.95725.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:05:54 -0700
>From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
>To: ytsejam@axnet.net
>Subject: Re: Tori...
>
>
>Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Ernesto Lotitto" thus begged:
> >
> >Hey!
> >
> >Does anyone know where can I find (over the net), Tori Amos' piano parts
>or
> >midi files?
>
>Why don't you ask someone in a Tori mailing list??
>
>
>-The Doc
Well, that was very kind of you, thanx so much.
I was just asking because I know there are several people here in this list
that enjoy Tori's music as much as I do. That doesn't mean I didn't asked
over there too.
Sorry if I took too much of your space/time...
Later
-E#
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:21:42 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Ambrosia - More of the early experiments in prog? / Star Warts / Ytseradio
Message-ID: <3749A6C6.19A1@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
http://www.ambrosiaweb.com/ambrosia/multimed.htm has some samples. Bear
in mind most of this stuff is at least 15-20 years old, so don't expect
anything like MP3 sound quality. But if you can get past that, you might
find some interesting sights/sounds.
"Nice, Nice, Very Nice" (http://ambrosiaweb.com/rafiles/nn.ram) was the
first tune of theirs I'd ever heard. You know when a "package 'o sound"
hits you for the first time and you're never quite the same? This shit
just came out of nowhere. This song hooked me quite easily at the age of
14 and yet I still hear a lot of this kind of theme being constructed in
some of the newer so-called trailblazing prog.
Starts out in a happy feely 70's kind of a middle-of-the-road cotton
undergarment major chord thing :), cool drums, classic organ type sound.
The instrumental breaks that occur in between ain't that bad considering
it's older than many jammers on here. I kinda wish the band had taken
their sound more in this direction, but they never lost my respect as a
fan for what they DID create. Oh yeah, Ambrosia formed in '71 and
released this on their first album in '75.
They're mostly "pop" but in this band keyboards can be heard up-front
driving the melody, the drummer also plays bassoon, there's multiple
linkage to Alan Parsons, the bass player has played with Keneally, and
the lyrics to the above song were co-written by Kurt Vonnegut. These may
be enough to qualify it for 'prog' status. Progressive pop-rock, yeah
that's it. Comments concerning 'pop' are, as usual, always welcome.
Simply place your lips against my ass and speak clearly into the
'microphone' :)
When I hear "Time Waits For No One", Spock's Beard comes to mind. They
both have some of the same influences, and very similar arranging
styles, bouncing back and forth between that accessible groove-driven
hook and prog elements. http://www.ambrosiamusic.com/tourdates.htm has
them mostly in California but no surprise there as they grew up in
SoCal. :) They're playing some shows in other states as well.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/me feeds his ytsejam subscriber list through a random number generator,
and up pops Pat Daugherty who forgot to share the chesse and crackers
when he whined^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcommanded:
> First off, Star Wars doesn't belong on here in the first place, so everyone
> who has seen it or whatever just shutup and keep it off here.
There's a song on LTE 2 album called Chewbacca. Any idea where they got
that from, Pat? ;)
> Didn't do diddly for my car (1990 Mustang)...
Interesting how you respond to what some might also consider to be
off-topic, when it suits you.
Anyways, it's obvious it wouldn't do diddly because FORD = Fucked Over
Rebuilt Dodge :)
</how to make people like me in new and amazing ways>
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Ok, the firewall at work has been successfully spanked. I'm now getting
streaming realaudio from the ytseradio realm. Go to
http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio for fluff, or
http://progmetal.gmsnet.com/clips/ytseradio.ram for the stuff :) All the
DJs rule for taking the time to volunteer.
I'd like to mention one Mike Kizer, aka Fugazi. This sick animal has
something like a 25 CD changer thing set on random as it autopilots the
airwaves during the hours when there isn't an official DJ or something.
Kudos to Mike for making hours of non-stop prog available. Hope you got
the extended warranty on that CD changer, dude :)
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:16:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4861
Message-ID: <19990524201619.24698.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
>stereo system does not pick up Portnoy breathing hard
>near the end of ACOS, but, it will suffice.
Estimated
Cool! Where does this happen? I haven't listened to
it that close.
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:09:05 -0400
From: The Central Scrutinizer <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: FS: Adrian Belew tickets, Philadelphia (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990524160905.009bbe70@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Due to my age, I have four (4) tickets for sale to Adrian Belew's show at
the New Market Cabaret in Philadelphia, PA on Friday, June 11th. It wasn't
until after I'd ordered them that I learned that the show is strictly 21+,
and TicketMaster, being a bunch of money-crazed bastards, refused to void
the order. I'm looking to sell them at cost, just to make back the dough I
dropped on them: $28.50 a piece or $114 for the whole lot.
Adrian Belew, if anyone's not familiar with him, is a longtime member of
King Crimson (guitar/vocals). He's also played with many other famous
bands/artists, including Frank Zappa and David Bowie. This current solo
tour is labled as "acoustic/electric", which I'd assume means one set of
him on an acoustic, and a second set of him plugged in with a band. For
more information check:
http://www.murple.com/adrianbelew/
If anyone would be interested in going to what looks to be a kickass show,
and, in so doing, helping me out of a jam, please write me ASAP at
hender@wam.umd.edu. Mind the 21+ thing though.
Thanks,
Brian
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Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
His Faithful Bootleg Page:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:19:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: sound
Message-ID: <19990524201910.25201.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
To go along with the eq/sound thread. Anyone notice
JP's tremolo springs squeaking at the beginning of
PMU? Ever since I first noticed it, it bothers me.
Todd
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:24:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: sound
Message-ID: <19990524202455.26318.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
Here's another one that I just remembered. Eric
Johnson's "Cliffs of Dover". At the very start of the
song when it's just Eric playing the intro, you can
tell that guitar cabinet was miked near the drum kit.
You can actually hear the snare drum shaking. Pretty
cool.
Todd
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:25:53 EDT
From: AyameYuki@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Channel1
Message-ID: <b49f5c4c.247b0fd1@aol.com>
ive heard a bit of DT on there too, but my school has like a direct link to
anything with C1. its totally screwed up so bad lately. they finally mention
NATO and some other stuff that everybody at my school is like interested in.
and then they yanked the plug. our connection's been lost for like two weeks
now. :( its unfair. channel one's greatness is cuz of Lisa Ling in my opion.
she rocks.
nic,
envying the camera life.
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:53:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Review preview (from N. Gallop)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990524165132.2818A-100000@line.cds.caltech.edu>
Message from Neil.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
On Mon, 24 May 1999, Gallop, Neil wrote:
> Hi all
>
> just a short warning that I'll be sending a whole
> stack of reviews soon. The albums are:
>
> ANATHEMA - Judgement
> GOATSNAKE - I
> HERBERT - Chrysalis
> RED GIANT - Ultra-Magnetic Glowing Sound
> SUMMONING - Stronghold
> UNIDA/DOZER - Split EP
>
> Extra warning: I will be going completely apeshit in
> one of the reviews.
>
> stay safe and happy listening
> Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com)
> Currently playing: MONSTER MAGNET - Superjudge
>
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:44:56 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Used CD's for Trade/Sale
Message-ID: <e23f1024.247b4c88@aol.com>
>< I have the following discs that I would be willing to let go for either
a fair trade or $10, S/H included. ><
How much shipping and handling are we talking? If it's not too much, I'd be
interested in the Lemur Voice or Stratovarius CDs if you still have either
one.
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:03:44 -0400
From: Steve Godbout <sgodbout@microtec.net>
To: YTSEJAM Mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Tickets To Portnoy Clinic in Quebec City Tommorow
Message-ID: <374A1310.11AC6121@microtec.net>
Greetins!
This message goes out to any DT/Portnoy/drum fan in the
Quebec City Area. I have got 3 and maybe 4 tickets to give out
to anyone who might be interested in attending tommorow's drum
clinic given by Mike Portnoy. I picked up tickets for my friends
and four of them let me down. So if you have not been able to get
hold of tickets, the ones I have are yours. All you have to day is
E-mail me as soon as you can they are yours. I would really hate to
see these tickets go to waste. A reminder to those interested,
the tickets are FREE! The clinic is tomorrow, 25/05/99 at 8:00 pm so
act fast.
Steve Godbout
sgodbout@microtec.net
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Date: 25 May 99 00:33:39 -0400
From: Jose Enrique Ralat Ballester <jralat@coqui.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: ROCK SHOW!!!
Message-ID: <199905242348.XAA22617@piro.coqui.net>
hey jammers,
who needs eMpTyV, when we have vh-1's Rock show. Finally some good music on TV. I couldn't believe it when I saw AC/DC finally on TV!!! Rock-Show rules. Now lets concentrate on getting Dream Theater on Rock Show!
later,
jose
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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:21:35 +0200
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Superior mp3
Message-ID: <9905250521.AA19710@krzsun.med-rz.uni-saarland.de>
Hi!
Sorry, but I couldn't put up a new mp3 last week... No time.
But now I have the next one up at our site at
http://www.free-minded.de/
This time it is "Nobody's hero" (Rush)
Have fun and all... :)
Bye
Bernd
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For information about Superior have a look at:
http://www.truemetal.org/superior
http://www.fine.de/superior
http://www.noiserecords.com
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