YTSEJAM Digest 4867
Today's Topics:
1) who is PORCUPINE TREE?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4864
by Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
3) RE: Yngwie!
by Diablo6491@aol.com
4) Rock Opera Musical - RENT
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
5) Superior Email (NDTC)
by Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
6) Diablo6491@aol.com
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
7) RE: Cllinic drum yesterday in Quebec City
by "Eric Trautmann" <etrautmann@cds-net.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4866
by William Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu>
9) Austin
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
10) Rush & keyboards on 6:00
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
11) Re: Learning to Live
by MaxArbot@aol.com
12) Rudess/Morgenstein concert/clinic
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
13) Re: Learning to Live
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) RE: Yngwie (No Dream Theater content)
by "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com>
15) Prog CDs For Sale
by Isabotage3@aol.com
16) Multiple post response
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
17) More on audio..
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:43:21 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: who is PORCUPINE TREE?
Message-ID: <19990526204321.59480.qmail@hotmail.com>
me being the type without a cassette or CD player in my car, I'm forced to
listen to the radio on my commute (i think i went over all this a few months
ago)....flipping through the stations in that endless search for some decent
music, I came across some good metal, early-Metallica like, on a station i'd
never stopped at before....turned out to be Belladonna (ex anthrax singer's
new eponymous band), cool stuff.....
next song they played was fromthe band Porcupine Tree, some spacey,
ethereal, basically progressive stuff, and it was a good thing that i was
stuck in a traffic jam at the time, because i was pretty much transfixed by
what i was hearing.....
so, basiically, i need for information about porcupine tree.....any help
would be much appreciated......
partha
"we want information" -- the prisoner, IM
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:43:22 +0200
From: Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4864
Message-ID: <374C5CEA.CCA8E6D1@club-internet.fr>
>
>
> Actually, I was kinda curious as to whether or not somebody could
> distinguish something that I heard on an album in the background. In
> OiaLT, right at the beginning of Pull Me Under, James shouts something,
> but it's as if his microphone is off (which IS entirely possible). Does
> anybody know what he's shouting to the audience?
Wouldn't it be "(Mr) John Petrucci on guitar !" as PMU is just after the kick-ass
guitar solo ?
Jonathan Beziz
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:51:35 EDT
From: Diablo6491@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE: Yngwie!
Message-ID: <ea5478d5.247db8d7@aol.com>
>>I really like Yngwie, but I don't really care for the singing on some of
his
albums. Can anyone tell me what albums besides Rising Force are mostly or
all instrumental?
Thanx...:-)<<
If your looking for a LOT of instruemental work, try 7th sign or
maybe his Concerto OR Magnum Opus. Otherwise, check out FAcing the ANimal,
the singer is AWESOME on there. Mat's Leven I believe his name is. He has a
great sound!
RaY
-Whispered in your sighs . . . -
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:02:21 -0700
From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Rock Opera Musical - RENT
Message-ID: <000901bea7bb$0cd10360$c08915cf@markphil>
Heh Jam,
If its playing in your city, I HIGHLY recommend this production! It is
really fun and good music. The San Francisco cast is awsome. I can't
remember the other cities it's playing in; go to ticketmaster and they'll
give you a list.
For the slightly older crowd, I've heard that it is a 90's version of Hair
back in the 70's or something, but I never saw it.
See it! =D
Mark Philpot
griphiam@ccnet.com
http://www.ccnet.com/~griphiam/musiccreations.htm
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:04:44 +0200
From: Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Superior Email (NDTC)
Message-ID: <4.1.19990526230303.00911920@pop.btx.dtag.de>
Hi!
Just wanted to tell you that from now on you can send email to the other
members of Superior also!! :) You can find their email addresses (Well, at
least 4 of them) on our homepage at http://www.free-minded.de/ in the
"contact" section.
Just for the info... :)
Bye
Bernd
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For info about Superior look at http://www.free-minded.de/
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If you're good you solve your problems.
If you're better you have none.
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:38:54 VET
From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Diablo6491@aol.com
Message-ID: <19990526213854.43592.qmail@hotmail.com>
You wrote on Ytsejam:
>
> He has a few albums out since that particular release which was done
>when, 92? I dont feel like getting up to look at the back of it;> I love
>the
>Nuno song on their btw and I am in LOVE with Reb Beach;s song on there,
>anyone help me out with who the hell he is?:>
I'm a HUGE Nuno fan, so I really have to ask you:
What Nuno song are you talking about? Did Yngwie do a cover or something? Is
it available?
Thanx
Later
-E#
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:44:36 -0400
From: "Eric Trautmann" <etrautmann@cds-net.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: Cllinic drum yesterday in Quebec City
Message-ID: <000101bea7c0$f3a6b1e0$0501010a@PC16>
> mike said that the next album will be the most progressive
> he also said that we have to wait until the fall for the new album
> and that the band was really impressed by the crowd reaction when
> they toured
> with Deep Purple last year (he said that was the best )
> and the most interresting one that the band will he here on the
> next tour and not in the first act
WOW! I already can't wait for the next tour. I saw DT with ELP and DP last
year and it was awsome. It was last August at the PNC Art Center. The place
is an outdoor venue that holds around 8,000 people or something like that.
It was a perfect evening for a show. I've seen DT in smaller clubs, but I
think they make a better presence on the big stage.
It would be cool if they did some warmup shows this winter in the clubs and
next spring or summer we got to see them headline larger venues. May I
suggest, DT with Spock's Beard as the opener, hmmm?
Eric
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:11:50 -0400
From: William Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4866
Message-ID: <374C71A6.826D7E36@email.unc.edu>
Al blurted in Jam 4855:
<<<
William Hall wrote:
>As much as I'd like to place my speakers (all 6 of them) correctly,
All six? There is NO way to place them correctly, unless the six you
are
referring to are separate cabinets for a 3-way stereo set. (bass, mid
& hi) <snipped for length>
>>>
That would be a Dolby Digital setup, Al. Only two speakers and a sub
for stereo, but center channel and rear stereo surrounds for Dolby
ProLogic and Dolby Digital sources. My stereo speakers are placed to
the corners of the room on the same wall, about 8 inches out. The
problem lies in placing the surrounds, which are actually bookshelf
speakers.
-- William Cary Hall ICQ# 6956498 http://www.unc.edu/~wchall AIM: UNC Cary "The point of the journey is not to arrive." -NP------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:38:47 VET From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu Subject: Austin Message-ID: <19990526223850.44411.qmail@hotmail.com>
Jim Shieldas wrote: >>I have not heard a single other band that has these sorts of >influences.=A0 The big "rock bands" now like matchbox 20, etc, just suck= ,=20 >andI don't know where they came from.=A0 Bands like Korn, Incubus, and=20 >theothers came from Faith No More and rap, which is a far cry from the=20 >stuffmy band does (altho FNM rocks nads!).=A0 So where aer the bands wit= h the=20 >samebasic influences as us?=A0 Are we supposed to lead the next wave of=20 >rock?Have we hit upon a sound that is mostly untouched?=A0 I've heard ve= ry=20 >fewbands with the power and crunch yet main-streaminess that we have.=A0= =20 >Maybewe're just in the wrong place, 'cause austin is a big roots=20 >rock/bluestown, but still, we should at least find one or two other band= s=20 >like us,seeing as how mainstream most of our influences are.=A0 what do = you=20 >guysthink?<<
The mediatization of music has just deteriorated it... Sad, but true. Mos= t=20 people will rather see a bunch of pretty faces like Mathcbox 20 or Gin=20 Blossoms playing three chords on the guitar and dancing on stage because=20 that's what the media is selling to them (did somebody say MTV?). That ju= st=20 gives us a generation of people that doesn't know shit about music and it= s=20 roots, and that would support all the empty/meaningless music that is top= =20 selling...
The thing is that people don't understand that music is not just=20 entertainment, music is energy, is a state of mind. People should be taug= ht=20 about music just as much as they are about History... My point here is=20 EDUCATION. But I'm talking about big things here: Music education at scho= ol=20 should be as obligatory as American History. If not, mediatization will j= ust=20 go on and music will keep getting worse.
But I'm not running for president or anything so... (Sorry if I bored you but I really wanted to share this thougt with you=20 guys)
..........
Anyhow, in response to Jim: I don't think you are in the wrong place. There ARE a lot of great bands = out=20 there, the only problem is that they are not well recognized, you just ha= ve=20 to know where to look for them... And Austin sounds like a good place for= =20 that.
Check out Vallejo -from Austin. I really like them; they combine good Roc= k=20 'n Roll riffs & vocals with some elements of latin percussion. It's reall= y=20 worthy.
Check out new or local bands and give them a shot. There's still some goo= d=20 music out there.
Take care
-E#
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:57:15 +0200 From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk> To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Rush & keyboards on 6:00 Message-ID: <002301bea7cb$1c0a7680$99c58e81@flskesteg>
Hi, there! I've heard so much about Rush on the ytsejam that I feel that i must join this crowd of Rush'ing people...in other words: which Rush-albums should I by first?/last?
And another thing: how the 'ell does Kev make his keys sound like that in the intro in 6:00?
Simon Long Krogh NP - The Doors: People are strange
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:05:36 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Learning to Live Message-ID: <b5449142.247e1e90@aol.com>
<< Yes, I do have the original studio outtake in my archieve....
Mike Portnoy >>
Well!? (sweating painfully for some strange reason) I'd really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, like to hear it.
[eriC]
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:04:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Rudess/Morgenstein concert/clinic Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990527045920.5160B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
Just got back from the RPM concert/clinic. That was the first time I"d seen RPM live, and I must say it was incredible. Anyone who has the chance to go to an RPM date, do it up! You'll learn a lot and enjoy some great music at the same time.
One problem with it: the music was turned up SO LOUD that the speakers were distorting badly enough to completely drop out some of Jordan's soloing. It's like they tried to do an open-air P.A. broadcast through transistor radio speakers. It really was quite awful.
But still, tipped hats to the guys, because they put on a hell of a show, and gave some great tips and advice to us others who like to fancy ourselves musicians. Also, thanks for sticking around for a long time after the clinic to talk and answer questions.
Just for the curious: the new DT album is now in the vocals and "a little more keyboards parts" stage.
Anxiously awaiting the arrival of the new album --
-- Bert
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:31:17 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Learning to Live Message-ID: <002601bea802$267734a0$5f0d84d0@korgx3>
>Well!? (sweating painfully for some strange reason) I'd really, really, >like to hear it.
Heh.. Amazing what people will do to listen to an alternate take of a song, even though Mike basically said that the whole point of the song was to have it fade out in the first place. :P IMO: Fuck rereleasing prereleased songs. Maybe one of these days someone (Bogie) will provide Mr. Portnoy with some space to put MP3's or whatnot from his collection, but for them to rerelease LtL with a 2 minute extension or whatever at the end of it would be lame. I think I'd be happier hearing new material from the band myself. :)
Just what I want to do when I'm in a band: remix and rerelease all of my old music. (That was sarcasm, you bastards!) hehehe. Hell, it seems like rap "musicians" (I still have a VERY hard time accepting rap as a musical artform, although admittedly, there is some pretty good rap shit out there, back to the point of this run-on sentence, really, you might need to start over cuz I think I lost you) do it all the time. :)
It's kind of like ketchup and equalizers. If a chef were to bitch me out when I annointed my steak with the most heavenly spicy ointment of God (Heinz 57 for you heathens), I'd seal him into a highly resonant, 48" uninsulated steel culvert, cap both ends, and pump only the 5kHz and up end of the worst recording of a 7th grade concert band playing their calamitous rendition of Weather Report's "Birdland" on piccolos with triangle accompaniment by the kid who keeps the rythmn by the hands on his Mickey Mouse watch, not the conductor.
Anyway. I've had 3 hours of sleep in the last 48 hours, so I can't reallyask.asgjaga38yq@#Q$
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:49:52 PDT From: "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE: Yngwie (No Dream Theater content) Message-ID: <19990527054952.60512.qmail@hotmail.com>
The only instrumental album after his first "Rising Force", is the "Concerto Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra in E flat minor Op. 1" (also called "Millennium"). The album consists of Yngwie's compositions performed with (=Yngwie plays the guitar) Czech philharmonic orchestra. All the other albums have a couple of instrumental tracks each, the rest being vocal.
For those who are interested Yngwie is again in the studio making a new record described as "a heavy concept album". Japanese version should be out this year, with rest of the world following in early 2000.
More info and news available at www.pd.net/yngwie (the official fan club page).
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:40:44 EDT From: Isabotage3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Prog CDs For Sale Message-ID: <7c784f94.247e42ec@aol.com>
Some may call this blasphemy, but I am selling the following CDs for $9, which includes shipping in a padded envelope. All are in excellent condition. I am also open to trades.
Explorer's Club- Age of Impact Symphony X- The Divine Wings of Tragedy Enchant- Blueprint of the World Angra- Holy Land
I guess you can say I'm no longer a hardcore proghead. :)
Isaac
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:00:13 EDT From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Multiple post response Message-ID: <19990527080014.47571.qmail@hotmail.com>
mojoman wrote: I need some rather good opinions here. There's a whole bunch of units (rack or stomp) that can do the job here, but I would prefer to get a few opinions before I start doing the stomp-box dance at the local music store.
well mojo, I'll give it my best...Ive been playing guitar for 14 years and have ran everything from...the early digitech stuff to the gold "Legend"/an ART ECC/the original Zoom and one thing i noticed they had in common....they had no warmth and were too sterile.
High end stuff ...Lexicon (JP) and tons of stuff im sure Al could mention are a major exception, but since i cant afford a 1000 dollar reverb unit I say go for the boxes.
At 1st it was the features of digital units that reeled me in ...but i came to find that any unit that claims to do it all usually does so moderately well. Having said that I am also an Electronics Technician who after my analog and digital courses had determined that analog is the only way to go with any waveform altering effects. Having a dedicated box for each effect seems to leave each effect much more pronounced (possibly the high-end loss)(of the delay/chorusing/phasingflanging effects) even if you use them liberally as i do. I suffer more signal loss but EQs fix that....dont hit me with ketchup please!
And to throw my 2 cents on that one....telling someone they have no taste or whatever because they dont use audiophile techniques when they setup live/record or just listening to music is ridiculous. If it weren't for different tastes we couldnt have the billions of songs through mans history some of which that although might seem similar in places are totally different. I think that is an outstanding concept. Suggested boxes to try....if you can find one...anything by Small Stone...Pro Co. Rat distortion (non-turbo model)...Ibanez Tubescreamer (even the reissued one)..."Blue" BOSS Compressor/Sustainer or the white BOSS EQ. Some say that the stomp box dance sucks but its worth it to me to have the kind of tone i get live.
And finally (i know this long)...on the WD tremsetter...i tried it and im not sure if you know this already but its just a stick that fits inside a tremolo spring...and it didn't work for me, to top it off it made the bar feel VERY unnatural.
Outlander
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:06:16 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: More on audio.. Message-ID: <374D0B08.6D36055F@isd.net>
Pat Sullivan wrote: >I just can't agree with what you and Al appear to be saying, which >is either "Every album ever recorded was mixed perfectly", or >"Sound engineers are perfect, you are required to trust their >judgement".
Sound engineers fuck up quite often, unfortunately, you can't really correct for that in the playback. If it's not there, it's NOT there. I'll be damned if I'm going to get up and tweak the system every time I change material. Besides that, I think you know my opinion on tone alteration. The thing I HATE is when they use a ton of vocal or instrument processing, your tone controls or EQs can't do shit for that. I live with what's presented.
As far as JM in the I&W mix: I can hear every note just fine. He's set back in the mix and primarily in the left channel, but he's clearly audible.
Bring I&W to a REAL high-end store and listen to it on whatever system they claim is the most detailed. A CD player with a tendency to be slightly analytical can quite often bring things out that are normally difficult to hear. Make sure to listen at a reasonable volume. I think you'd be surprised.
Back when I bought my first REAL CD player, (California Audio Labs - Icon mk II) I could not believe how different my CDs sounded. It was like someone removed a thick curtain that was in front of my midranges, removed the mud from by bass cabs, and sprinkled "tweeter softener" on my previously over-bright JBL-Pro horns. The differences were NOT subtle. I finally had a CD player that could begin to compete with my better analog gear. The Icon replaced a three year old "Top-of-the-line" Technics player. I could NEVER go back...
The easiest way to determine if you've found a real hi-end store is to look for some of these names: Wadia Digital - Theta Digital - Mark Levinson - Bryston - Conrad Johnson - Audio Research - Krell - Immedia - VPI - Rega - Sonic Frontiers - California Audio Labs - Magnapan - Martin Logan - B&W - Dunlavy Audio - Linn - Meridian - NHT - Roksan - Vandersteen Audio - Vacuum Tube Logic (VTL) - Wilson Audio - Classe - Counterpoint - Aragon - Hafler - Revox - Luxman - JM Labs - Well Tempered Labs - Cary Audio - Genesis technologies - Goldmund - Counterpoint - Parasound - Audible illusions - Snell - Velodyne - Thiel - Graham Engineering - YBA - Jeff Rowland Design Group - Oracle - Pass Laboratories - Lexicon - Day-Sequerra - Magnum Dynalab - Sonus Faber - Threshold - McCormack - Jadis - Air Tight - Naim.
Honorable Mid-fi mentions: Rotel - Adcom - Paradigm - B&K - Clements - Creek - Jamo - Klipsch - McIntosh Laboratory - Mordaunt-Short - Tannoy - Audio Alchemy.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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