YTSEJAM Digest 4868
Today's Topics:
1) Surrounded
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
2) PT?
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
3) Re: Engineers
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
4) High End stereo component prices online?
by Jason.Breitweg@blind-guardian.com (Jason T. Breitweg)
5) DC Cooper+Royal Hunt (NDTC)
by Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4867
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
7) Maiden Ed Hunter game for sale
by Nicolas Drouin <ndrouin@canadaegg.ca>
8) Various shiz
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
9) Re: High End stereo component prices online?
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
10) Who is Porcupine Tree?
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
11) Top 6 idea
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
12) Porcupine Tree; Malmsteen
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
13) drum clinic in Quebec city (quick review in 'journal de quebec')
by "Richard James" <richard@capitale.qc.ca>
14) Drum clinic in Montreal cancelled :o(
by "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca>
15) Re: More on audio..
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:10:19 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Surrounded
Message-ID: <374D1A0A.E42FC212@isd.net>
William Hall wrote:
>That would be a Dolby Digital setup, Al. Only two speakers and a sub
>for stereo, but center channel and rear stereo surrounds for Dolby
We were talking about STEREO systems for dedicated listening.
Considering the lack of clarification on your part, my assumption was
based entirely on the information below, and the thread topic.
>As much as I'd like to place my speakers (all 6 of them) correctly,
>it's hard to do that with two desks, bunk beds, and dressers in my
>dorm room. So I settle for what lets live in my room. Not everybody
>has a room that they can use solely for music listening.
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Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>I have to say that I agree with this statement totally. I just finished
>doing a musical in my theatre department. I mixed all the background
>tracks myself, put them on minidisc, and handed them over to the engineers
>who were mixing the sound board for the performances. They then proceeded
>to murder the mix of the voices, so that my music was totally ruined in
>the end.
The incompetence of some engineers is something we all have to deal with
at one time or another. My question is: In the event that your show was recorded
with that butchered mix, as the home listener, what could you have done with your
tone controls and EQs to repair the damage? Please be detailed.
I gotta go, I just discovered an erection...
/Here Kitty kitty..
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence
that you are wonderful." -- Ann Landers
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 03:29:17 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: PT?
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F4253@ms.kallback.com>
> next song they played was fromthe band Porcupine Tree, some spacey,
> ethereal, basically progressive stuff, and it was a good thing that i was
> stuck in a traffic jam at the time, because i was pretty much transfixed
> by
> what i was hearing.....
> so, basiically, i need for information about porcupine tree.....any help
> would be much appreciated......
P Tree is a great band, the brainchild of Steve Wilson, who has helped
Fish (ex-Marillion) out with the music on his last two cds.
Most of their music is really Pink Floyd influenced. Steve was also
in a band called No-Man with a guy that was in the band Japan.
I would recommend getting PT's new one called Stupid Dream,
then work back chronologically with Signify, then The Sky Moves Sideways,
then a copule others that I don't have. There is also a double live one in
there
called Coma Divine
> The only instrumental album after his first "Rising Force", is the
> "Concerto
> Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra in E flat minor Op. 1" (also
> called
> "Millennium").
Is that bitch ever going to be released in the States?
> For those who are interested Yngwie is again in the studio making a new
> record described as "a heavy concept album". Japanese version should be
> out
> this year, with rest of the world following in early 2000.
Speaking of concept album, have ya'll heard about Garth Brooks next cd?
Supposedly a "rock concept" album by some fictional guy named
Chris Gaines. It will be the soundtrack to a movie about the same guy.
I wonder what that's gonna sound like?
Trevor
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:06:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Engineers
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905270701130.73959-100000@alcuin.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote:
> Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> > I have to say that I agree with this statement totally. I just
> > finished doing a musical in my theatre department. I mixed all the
> > background tracks myself, put them on minidisc, and handed them over
> > to the engineers who were mixing the sound board for the performances.
> > They then proceeded to murder the mix of the voices, so that my music
> > was totally ruined in the end.
>
> The incompetence of some engineers is something we all have to deal
> with at one time or another. My question is: In the event that your
> show was recorded with that butchered mix, as the home listener, what
> could you have done with your tone controls and EQs to repair the
> damage? Please be detailed.
Well, you know what, now that you put it that way, I can understand what
you're trying to say. God knows there's nothing I hate worse than a bad
live recording. Good thing I'm going to be recording the cast CD myself
and doing all the mixing, effects, and other engineering myself.
Sometimes it pays to be a smart kid who likes to mess around with audio
and music.
But if I need someone's opinion on what this recording sounds like, I know
where to look.
Just a question: When you listen to MP3s or other computer audio, do you
do it through your stereo? If so, doesn't that scream bloody murder at
your ears, with all that lower-quality audio? I'd think that with a
high-end stereo, you can probably hear every "swish", hiss, etc.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@cs.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/
ICQ: 2513441
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"I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals.
I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants."
- A. Whitney Brown
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Date: 27 May 1999 14:05:21 +0200
From: Jason.Breitweg@blind-guardian.com (Jason T. Breitweg)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: High End stereo component prices online?
Message-ID: <tkuyaiaen0e.fsf@zussun8.desy.de>
This discussion of stereo equipment has given me the urge to go and
buy something *chuckle*. What is the first high end component that
one should start with (because I certainly don't have enough extra
cash to get everything at once). Also are there places online where I
can get an idea of prices for such equipment?
Jason
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:27:43 +0300
From: Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DC Cooper+Royal Hunt (NDTC)
Message-ID: <374D3A3E.F781648C@cc.uoa.gr>
Hi there jammers
Thinks are getting better and better here (in Greece that is) as the temperature
rises and summer comes in haste.
Any way, I got 3 CDs lately and still am awestruck. D.C. Cooper's personal CD and
Royal Hunt's "Moving target" and "Paradox". All three are great. Great song writing,
great melodies (cheesy at some points but that's of minor importance). D.C. has a
superb voice. I don't think I have heard of another singer with so diversity. Quite
amazing voice, especially at the low octaves. Cooper's CD is a must have, and
everyone should get "Paradox", it's the latest I think from Hunt. Previously I've
heard of the band only here on ytse but after listening to the CDs, I'm a fan. I
don't remember enjoying Symphony X's "Twilight in Olympus" that much which I traded
for Metal Church's "Live" (thanks Mats) [I put SX here cause it's the only band I can
relate to what Hunt plays]. For anyone interested Royal Hunt is a mix of Symphonic,
AOR, Progressive, Hard Rock and don't know what else. They don't offer something new
to the world of music, but they really have great songs. AND D.C. surely makes the
difference.
Just check them.
Later
Mike
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ICQ: 37105215
mailto:mzahar@cc.uoa.gr
mailto:annihilator@netscape.net
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:32:17 -0400
From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4867
Message-ID: <199905271233.IAA06558@bajor.ici.net>
> Bring I&W to a REAL high-end store and listen to it on whatever system
> they claim is the most detailed. A CD player with a tendency to be
> slightly analytical can quite often bring things out that are normally
> difficult to hear. Make sure to listen at a reasonable volume. I think
> you'd be surprised.
I have no doubt that I'd be surprised. I also have no doubt that I'd
have serious issues convincing my wife that they would be prudent
purchases.
I won't mention what I'm currently calling my "stereo system"
because Al might be trying to eat as he reads this (think Kenwood,
Bose. Sorry Al). Nonetheless, it does roughly what I want it to, and
no, it doesn't have an EQ. Now, I like listening to music as much
as the next guy (unless Al happens to be the next guy, of course ),
but I just don't think I spend enough time actually doing it to justify
spending money on hi fi equipment. Unless I'm going to be
spending several hours a day listening to it, it just seems
extravagant. I'd rather spend that money on something I *do* spend
several hours a day with...like my computer. :-)
___Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
Email: psull@ici.net
ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS
WWW:__ http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html _______
There are two ways to write error-free programs;
only the third one works.
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:59:53 -0400
From: Nicolas Drouin <ndrouin@canadaegg.ca>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Maiden Ed Hunter game for sale
Message-ID: <4FB5560F49ABD211821100104B974B1F19BA@NT2>
I am selling my Maiden Ed Hunter game (3cd's) including best
20 songs.
I will sell to best offer! I finished the game and already
own all other
Maiden cd's.
Nicolas
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Various shiz
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990527094600.7239A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Mark Philpot wrote:
>For the slightly older crowd, I've heard that it is a 90's version of
>Hair back in the 70's or something, but I never saw it.
Actually, it's a more pop song version of La Boheme (by Puuccini) in
English. They steal a couple of melodies from Puccini, too. The story is
slightly updated to reflect the current illnesses (in the original, Mimi
dies of consumption).
Partha inquired:
>who are Porcupine Tree?
A band you must see when they come by your town. If they haven't already.
They played last night in Wheaton, MD with old space-rockers Gong. An
incredible show. They are British, the lead songwriter/singer is Steve
Wilson, who produced the last two Fish albums, and is also responsible for
No-Man. Check their website for their tour schedule. A quick UBL search
should yield that.
Simon Krogh wrote:
>And another thing: how the 'ell does Kev make his keys sound like that in
>the intro in 6:00?
A sophisticated form of torture involving small rodents, heated andirons,
chewing gum, and a subtle blend of oregano and parsley.
Ernesto saw the word "Nuno" and asked:
>What Nuno song are you talking about?
I have no idea what song it is, but the original query was about Yngwie's
"Leviathan" (originally on Fire and Ice) that the person had on a
compilation entitled "Guitars that Rule the World." It's amazing what a
little punctuation can accomplish.
PW
NP Porcupine Tree: Coma Divine
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
I'm smiling/ with the mouth of the ocean/ I'll wave to you/ with the arms
of the mountains/ I see you
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:32:03 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: High End stereo component prices online?
Message-ID: <374D5763.6A349420@ivorygate.com>
"Jason T. Breitweg" wrote:
>
> This discussion of stereo equipment has given me the urge to go and
> buy something *chuckle*. What is the first high end component that
> one should start with (because I certainly don't have enough extra
> cash to get everything at once). Also are there places online where I
> can get an idea of prices for such equipment?
The best way to approach this is to set a budget first... You will always be
able to spend all of your money on stero gear, where a receiver can range
anywhere from $50 - $50,000... For instance, I set myself up a budget to do my
home theater system (and I ain't spending $30K to do it either ;-)... so I
limited myself to about $1,500 for the receiver, DVD player and speakers (for
most audiophiles this would be sorely inadequate)... Here is what I ended up
with after much discussion and shopping:
Receiver: Sony STR-DE825 (Dolby DTS 5.1 <AC-3>, high end of the Sony line
before you get into the ES models) $389
DVD: Sony 550 $411
Speakers: Energy "Take 5" home theater setup $650
Most of these items retail for almost double what I got them for, I got all of
these items from www.netmarket.com . They have soem smokin deals if you know
what you are looking for. As soon as I receive all the pieces in the mail we'll
see just how much I can annoy my neighbors. ;-)
--
~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538>
"Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com
>>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<<
>>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
>>> Listen to YtseRadio at: http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio <<<
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:43:45 EDT
From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
To: ahtrap@hotmail.com
Subject: Who is Porcupine Tree?
Message-ID: <199905271043.AA5505656@pressroom.com>
Since I saw them last night, I should say something. :^) Porcupine Tree is a group founded by Steve Wilson, who's most noticeable contribution is writing songs and playing guitar for Fish on Sunsets on Empire. This is a project that turned into a full time job for him. Pink Floyd has often used as a description, but I think they are getting away from that a little more and they are developing their own sound. The latest two albums, Signify and Stupid Dream, you can get at any good record store. The others are harder to get. You should be able to get it from any good progressive shop.
Jason
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:29:13 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Top 6 idea
Message-ID: <374D64C9.1E4D@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Nick:
> Raitz:
>>Is it a matter of taste? No, there's no such thing. There's only a
> matter of having taste and not having it. Cut + dry.
>
> So if my tastes differ from yours, does that mean I have no taste?
Remember the original Outer Limits show? They had an episode entitled
"To Serve Man". They're instructions, Nick. I believe what the chef from
Estonia meant was that if you have no taste, you should be cut into
smalls pieces and dried. Makes for efficient storage and handy rationing
on those long hiking trips :)
Mark:
> For the slightly older crowd, I've heard that it is a 90's version of
> Hair back in the 70's or something, but I never saw it.
Not sure, but I think that was a compliment :)
Eric:
> It would be cool if they did some warmup shows this winter in the clubs and
> next spring or summer we got to see them headline larger venues. May I
> suggest, DT with Spock's Beard as the opener, hmmm?
Excellent! After the Rudess/Morgenstein clinic at Berklee, Rod had a
kickass idea: An all day Progfest with Platypus, RPM, LTE, DT. Not too
much to ask is it? Rod didn't think so, Mike, but then again I like
starting shit :) Add in that side project with Neal Morse and SB and it
remains connected. Hmmmm.
Korg claims:
> the most heavenly spicy ointment of God (Heinz 57 for you heathens)
Mackeson Triple Stout or a good 80W/90 beats it. What?!?! You don't like
beer or a good rear end oil on your steak? You should be shot! :)
~~~~~~~
WARNING!!! FREE CLUE...
E - M A I L the top 6 list *me*. POST IT to the JAM and Skadz will
ENJOY removing you from the jam. I am mailto:jparmet@my-dejanews.com, I
am NOT ytsejam@axnet.net. If you send it to jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov,
I first delete and THEN I will hunt you down :)
Ok, don't know know if this one's been done or not, but how about a top
6 list of favorite "Mike Portnoy fills?" Something like:
Album: Awake
Song: 6:00
Time Interval: 1:41-1:43
Comments: Mike, you are ill :)
or
Album: ACOS
Song: ACOS
Time Interval: <Disc isn't in front of me, but you get the idea>
Comments: That cymbal/high-hat fill during the 2nd "while ye may" after
James' "I've lived my life, but now must move on"
Comments are good, because not everyone will have all the CDs. For
people that, say, don't have Awake, the comment on 6:00 above helps to
clarify what Mike is all about at that point in the song :)
I guess a few weeks is about enough time to collect stuff? I'll graze on
it, and post a summary or something.
Again: E - M A I L to ME at mailto:jparmet@my-deja.com, not to the
list.
/me predicts at least 3 skulls will ignore one of Skadz' rules and leak
onto the jam anyways. Reading is FUNduhMENTAL... *sigh* some people were
just never meant to breed, I guess.
Regards,
Jon
--
"The first hyphen in MAH-JUH-REEN could be used for erotic gratification
by a very desparate stenographer." - Frank Zappa
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:33:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Porcupine Tree; Malmsteen
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9905271320400.27272-100000@galileo.cris.com>
Hi.
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Trevor W. Hoit wrote:
> > so, basiically, i need for information about porcupine tree.....any help
> > would be much appreciated......
>
> P Tree is a great band, the brainchild of Steve Wilson, who has helped
> Fish (ex-Marillion) out with the music on his last two cds.
> Most of their music is really Pink Floyd influenced. Steve was also
> in a band called No-Man with a guy that was in the band Japan.
Other projects include The Incredible Expanding Mindfuck (aka I.E.M.) and
Bass Communion.
> I would recommend getting PT's new one called Stupid Dream,
> then work back chronologically with Signify, then The Sky Moves Sideways,
> then a copule others that I don't have.
These would be "Up The Downstair" and "On The Sunday Of Life..." Both of
which have been remastered "for better sound" or something. I have yet to
sit down and compare the fidelity of the new ones with the old, but I will
soon. And then there is "Staircase Infinities", which is leftover stuff
from the "Up The Downstair" sessions. Decent stuff, but I'd put that at
the bottom of the PT-Priority List.
> There is also a double live one in there called Coma Divine
Actually this is a single-disc running about 70-something minutes. Highly
recommended as well. There is a disc called Coma Divine II which is
leftover stuff from Coma Divine, runs about 17 minutes, and is only
available when you subscribe to the PT Newsletter or something. I forget
the exact details to procuring this item because my lovely and talented
girlfriend hooked me up with that gem.
> > The only instrumental album after his first "Rising Force", is the
> > "Concerto
> > Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra in E flat minor Op. 1" (also
> > called
> > "Millennium").
>
> Is that bitch ever going to be released in the States?
Good question. It kicks ass, too. If you haven't "matured" yet and still
think excessive neo-classical wank-fests rule, this item is for you. The
production is a bit lacking, but I still love it. It's the only YJM
release I listen to on a regular basis. I'm sure Mike Bahr would agree.
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:34:29 -0400
From: "Richard James" <richard@capitale.qc.ca>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: drum clinic in Quebec city (quick review in 'journal de quebec')
Message-ID: <00c001bea867$2d9cc820$4d0201a0@carme.capitale.qc.ca>
for those of you in Quebec city there a review from the journal 'Journal de
Quebec' (most important in the Quebec area)
in today issue
the title is ' 800 FANS FOR A DRUM SOLO '
some snippets : there were so may people that we got to open the second
floor and the people could look a the drummer
on the wide screen
also the article said that they will try to
reinvited Mike Portnoy in the fall
rj
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:10:00 -0400
From: "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca>
To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Cc: "'Nicolas Drouin'" <nicolasd@istar.ca>
Subject: Drum clinic in Montreal cancelled :o(
Message-ID: <199905271811.LAA10516@knight.axnet.net>
>>June 4th
Italmelodie
Attn: Pat Turbide
274 Jean Talon Est
Montreal, PQ
514-273-3224<<
I just called Pat in Montreal and he told me with his own words.. this so
SUCKS!! I was so looking fwd to it...
Mr. ProG .. no.. Mr. DowN
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:26:37 -0300
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: More on audio..
Message-ID: <005a01bea866$147205a0$9dc55bd1@viper>
>Back when I bought my first REAL CD player, (California Audio Labs - Icon
mk II)
>I could not believe how different my CDs sounded. It was like someone
removed a
>thick curtain that was in front of my midranges, removed the mud from by
bass
heh, i never thought the choice of cd player would have any effect on the
sound. we're all a bunch of poor, misguided sods aren't we? :) i've been
following this thread with interest. Al, a question: I understood that Bose
speakers were really good. I assume you're goign to tell me they're about as
good as Aiwa. But we've got a Dolby surround 10-speaker (+subwoofer) setup
in my non-rectangle-shaped living room, and it sounds quite good (although
the sony receiver doesnt have enough power, or something like that, cuz the
rear speakers are barely audible, even when set to +10db). What is the
audiophile's opinion of Bose?
>Magnum Dynalab - Sonus Faber - Threshold - McCormack - Jadis - Air Tight -
Naim.
mccormack! woohoo! :) I've never heard ANY of these brand names mentioned
even at the (apparently not really) high-end stores like Precision Audio and
such. heh. moo.
--
Dan McCormack (dmc@dreamt.org)
Computer Engineer, WSBF-FM Clemson 88.1
http://wsbf.clemson.edu/
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