YTSEJAM Digest 4869
Today's Topics:
1) More audio stuff (NDTC)
by Brian Lundy <Styles@injersey.com>
2) Drum clinic in Quebec City
by "Olivier Ouellet" <olio@videotron.ca>
3) Enchant "Wounded" F/A on E-Bay
by YtseJam78@aol.com
4) Re: More audio stuff (NDTC)
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
5) Metallica setlist
by Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
6) What *IS* a time signature? [NDTC]
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
7) Re: Nuno/Malmsteen
by Diablo6491@aol.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4868
by Diablo6491@aol.com
9) Re: What *IS* a time signature? [NDTC]
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
10) Time Sigs. Very Educational, however wrong it may be.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Re: Time Sigs. Very Educational, however wrong it may be.
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
12) RACE WITH DEVIL..
by "fmatias" <fmatias@cvtci.com.ar>
13) Re: High End stereo component prices online?
by Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
14) music miseducation of the lauryn hill gang
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
15) blasphemy is an art form
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
16) DT present in Music store
by Tokugawa Tigger-ette <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
17) Gee, am I a bored person or what?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
18) Re: Gee, am I a bored person or what?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:12:19 -0700
From: Brian Lundy <Styles@injersey.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: More audio stuff (NDTC)
Message-ID: <374DC342.D8C8B308@injersey.com>
>i've been
>following this thread with interest. Al, a question: I understood that
Bose
>speakers were really good.
A common misconception. Bose does a fantastic job at b.s.ing the
public into thinking they are worth gold, when it's actually closer
to.....lint.
>I assume you're goign to tell me they're about as
>good as Aiwa.
Now you're learning. Repeat after me:
"No highs, No lows, Must be Bose" (and out it goes!)
>But we've got a Dolby surround 10-speaker (+subwoofer) setup
>in my non-rectangle-shaped living room, and it sounds quite good
(although
>the sony receiver doesnt have enough power, or something like that, cuz
the
>rear speakers are barely audible, even when set to +10db). What is the
>audiophile's opinion of Bose?
Excuse me while I hurl... :) I think I've made my point about
that. The cones are made of paper, that's all. All high-priced,
high-hyped crap. Whatever you pay for whatever Bose speaker system you
see, you can pay the same or less for far better equiptment.
You've gotta ditch that Sony ASAP. You don't have to go nuts
$$-wise, a mid-priced Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, or HK will decimate anything
Sony could ever dream to do. And don't fall for that Sony "ES" line
either. Know what ES stands for? "Expensive Shit" Generally speaking
stay far away from Sony when it comes to home audio. Sony video, (DVD,
VCR, Tvs, etc.) is actually some great stuff for the price.
Just my $.02
Styles
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:22:28 -0400
From: "Olivier Ouellet" <olio@videotron.ca>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Drum clinic in Quebec City
Message-ID: <01bea876$425ab240$8851fdcf@cyberus.cyberus.ca>
Well, that place was packed like you wouldn't believe, I was standing by the
entrance door, but hell, no way I was gonna go upstairs to watch on a giant
screen when God himself was downstairs playing drums. Anyway, Mike was
amazing and a good teacher as well (but then again, I don't play drums so
what do I know). He didn't seem too happy with the venue though, but we
didn't care. And he answered many questions, though there were a few
stupid ones (Can you play Dave Weckl? Mike says: NO). And as to why Derek
was fired, he said that after playing with Jordan part time, he and John
Petrucci didn't see why they weren't doing it full time. Everyone seemed to
agree with that.
As for the rest, well I guess everyone should know by now that they're not
touring this summer, no they won't tour with Maiden though they would love
to at some point, the album should be coming out in October, AND will not
include Met II. But it will... Mike didn't answer that question very
clearly, but what he said was that Met II was written when Derek was in the
band and so, yes, elements of the song were going to be on the next album,
but we would have to wait and see. So it should be interesting to see what
has happened to Met II. Finally, Mike did say that the next album is going
to be, by far (his own words), the most progressive DT album. And when
someone asked him what was the most difficult stuff he'd ever played, he
said the new songs from the upcoming album. So I guess this is good news
(unless you thought FII was their best).
By the way, I've just resubscribed to the jam, so if I've posted news that
are old, sorry. But it's still directly from the man himself.
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:32:16 EDT
From: YtseJam78@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Enchant "Wounded" F/A on E-Bay
Message-ID: <611636af.247ef7c0@aol.com>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=109947047
Not really my cup of tea. They're the first Magna Carta band I haven't liked!
~~~Art
www.joestump.com
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:45:55 -0300
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: More audio stuff (NDTC)
Message-ID: <000601bea871$28f0e7c0$16c95bd1@viper>
>Now you're learning. Repeat after me:
> "No highs, No lows, Must be Bose" (and out it goes!)
hehehe. damn, to me they sound awesome, so if they're shit to an audiophile,
i'd love to hear a 'real' set of speakers :)
> You've gotta ditch that Sony ASAP. You don't have to go nuts
>$$-wise, a mid-priced Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, or HK will decimate anything
yeah, at that precision audio store we went to, i mentioned the problem of
the practically nonexistant rear speakers (sonic-wise) and the guy was
telling us that the sony is crap (well he was a bit more polite, he's a
salesman after all :) and recommended a yamaha. from this discussion i would
have thought that yamaha would also fall under the "shit" category. not so?
>Sony could ever dream to do. And don't fall for that Sony "ES" line
>either. Know what ES stands for? "Expensive Shit" Generally speaking
i've got an STR-D605.
>stay far away from Sony when it comes to home audio. Sony video, (DVD,
hehe, i didn't want to get the sony, but my grandfather swears by sony audio
and convinced my dad to get it. in my room i have an old piece of shit
technics component system (our old one) that, to me at least, sounds better
than the sony in the living room.
another thing this conversation has helped me out in - i had 6 speakers
hooked up to my receiver in my room, and every time i turned it up past
barely audible it would shut off and the display would say "protector". i
always thought it was cuz it was a piece of shit. now i know why :) i
unplugged all but my 2 main speakers and now i can turn it up fine. hehe.
Thanks Ytsejam(tm)! moo :)
--Dan McCormack (dmc@dreamt.org) Computer Engineer, WSBF-FM Clemson 88.1 http://wsbf.clemson.edu/
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:07:59 +0200 From: Totikus <totikus@gmx.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Metallica setlist Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19990527210759.1997b330@pop.gmx.net>
Could someone who has been to one of the shows on the '99 European Metallica tour please email me a setlist (possibly for all three bands if you have them)? Thanks in advance. Totikus ---------------------------------------------------------- | Totikus totikus@gmx.net | | A Fortune In Midis - The Dream Theater Midi Page | | http://members.xoom.com/totikus/ | ----------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:40:52 -0400 (CLT) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: What *IS* a time signature? [NDTC] Message-ID: <199905272040.QAA03895@antonia.webhost.cl>
I keep hearing about this "time signature" thing, but I can't figure out what it is by myself (I know almost nothing of musical theory, please don't kill me), so can someone PLEASE explain what it is and what consequences has to alter it in a song?
Thanks.
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:55:42 EDT From: Diablo6491@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Nuno/Malmsteen Message-ID: <fcd6dc60.247f0b4e@aol.com>
>What Nuno song are you talking about?
>I have no idea what song it is, but the original query was about Yngwie's "Leviathan" (originally on Fire and Ice) that the person had on a compilation entitled "Guitars that Rule the World." It's amazing what a little punctuation can accomplish. <<
Bah, punctuation! Who needs that?:> Yea, you figured me out though, I was talking about "Guitars that Rule the World". Great CD! I just meant that I liked the Nuno song that was on that album as well as Leviathan and Reb Beaches song, thats all;>
RaY
-Hey now! What the hell am I doing here??-
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:02:24 EDT From: Diablo6491@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4868 Message-ID: <5a4533ce.247f0ce0@aol.com>
>>Good question. It kicks ass, too. If you haven't "matured" yet and still think excessive neo-classical wank-fests rule, this item is for you. The production is a bit lacking, but I still love it. It's the only YJM release I listen to on a regular basis. I'm sure Mike Bahr would agree.<<
By this statement, do you imply that you have not amtured either?:> EXCELENT! I LOVE WANKING!!!:> Smile:> I hope you havent matured in that aspect, I think people lose out on a lot of great guitar playing when they "think" they're to mature for it! I've been trying to get this Disc for awhile and when I finaly found it at Cdnow. I sent my monye in and they tell me, its been discontinued. I was flippin out;> Needless to say though I got 2 other Malmsteen CD's, "Trilogy" and Ecplise and I am happy:> I still want Concerto Suite though:>
RaY
-I can feel the rain . . . -
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:04:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: What *IS* a time signature? [NDTC] Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9905271658340.4348-100000@galileo.cris.com>
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Miguel Farah F. wrote:
> > I keep hearing about this "time signature" thing, but I can't figure out > what it is by myself (I know almost nothing of musical theory, please > don't kill me), so can someone PLEASE explain what it is and what > consequences has to alter it in a song?
One day I had this very same question. So what I did was go to a search engine on the world wide web, like www.altavista.com for example, and I typed in "time signature" and pressed "search". I found lots of neat stuff and I got my question answered. Try it. It's fun.
> Thanks.
Any time.
rsa sf
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:03:46 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Time Sigs. Very Educational, however wrong it may be. Message-ID: <001601bea884$75e146c0$0201010a@chuck>
>I keep hearing about this "time signature" thing, but I can't figure out >what it is by myself (I know almost nothing of musical theory, please
Layman's explanation: A time sig is the number of beats per measure. It's a rythmic measurement of music. Listen to a song and count to it. Most songs you can count (1 - 2 - 3 - 4, 1 - 2 - 3 - 4...). That's called a 4/4 time signature. Listen to a common waltz song and you can count (1 - 2 - 3, 1 - 2 - 3...) as most waltzes are written in 3/4 time. The segment of a song that you can count before starting over is called a measure. Now, here's what the numbers 4/4 and 3/4 in a time signature mean...
Let's start with the last number /4... The 4 will designate how the song is to be counted. The 4 means quarter or 1/4. The 4 means that the measure is to be counted out in quarter beats. Quarter beats basically means a beat that counts as 1/4 of a standard measure. The first number 4 indicates how many beats of the type the last number (1/4) are to be counted in a measure. Therefore a 4/4 time signature is has 4 quarter beats per measure. A 3/4 time sig will have 3 beats per measure.
Measures are (by supreme law) counted out in powers of 2. So time signatures can be 4/4, 8/8, 16/16, 32/32 etc, but never 6/12, 7/13, 126/921, etc. :) So if you see a 6/8 time signature, you can know that each measure is counted out in eighth notes with 6 beats per measure, a 13/16 is counted out in 16th notes with 13 beats per measure and so on... Don't let the melodies confuse you as very often people will mix and match notes in the middle of a measure. Even with notes that, in a sense, defy the rythmn such as triplets, dotted notes, quintlets, etc, but I won't go into that here. I don't want to confuse you any more than I'm afraid I already have. :)
This is Paul Harvey. Good day? -- KorgX3 is gonna see Star Wars tonight, so you can talk about it tomorrow. :) NP: Titanic - Soundtrack.
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:03:21 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Time Sigs. Very Educational, however wrong it may be. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990527220321.012a98f4@pi-r-squared.com>
At 02:18 PM 5/27/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>I keep hearing about this "time signature" thing, but I can't figure out >>what it is by myself (I know almost nothing of musical theory, please > >Layman's explanation: >A time sig is the number of beats per measure. It's a rythmic measurement >of music. Listen to a song and count to it. Most songs you can count (1 - >2 - 3 - 4, 1 - 2 - 3 - 4...). That's called a 4/4 time signature. Listen >to a common waltz song and you can count (1 - 2 - 3, 1 - 2 - 3...) as most >waltzes are written in 3/4 time.
Nah, a polka is in 3/4. WHen I think of a waltz I think of the Blue Danube, which is in 12/8. 1-2-3 4-5-6 7-8-9 10-11-12. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about.. most songs, as was explained are counted in quarter notes. Another common time are songs that are done in 8.. this is that triplet feel you hear on songs like "Morning Sun" by Savatage.. it's that little bounce instead of the drive of a 4/4. The only common 8 times are 6/8 and 12/8. Anything past that is just weird... ala Hell's Kitchen which has parts in 10/8... oiy. The common way to tell time in music is by listening to the hi-hat. If that hi-hat is playing 1 or 2 beats it is most likely a song in 2/4 or 4/4.. if triplets are being played on the hi-hat (three quick beats) it is most likely a song in 8.. as songs in 8 are divided into groups of three. Thus 6/8 would be 1-2-3 4-5-6. blah..
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "Too bad! You were almost really evil!" -Shishio, Rurouni Kenshin
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:36:11 -0300 From: "fmatias" <fmatias@cvtci.com.ar> To: "ytsejam mail list" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RACE WITH DEVIL.. Message-ID: <003a01bea899$dbfce800$0446a8c0@fmatias>
Hi! I wonder if someone knows where i can find the tab of "RACE WITH DEVIL ON SPANISH HIGHWAY" by Al dimeola.
Many thanxx! bye!
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:21:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net> To: Just Words <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: High End stereo component prices online? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9905271949080.16764-100000@legarto.minn.net>
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Jason T. Breitweg wrote: > This discussion of stereo equipment has given me the urge to go and > buy something *chuckle*. What is the first high end component that > one should start with (because I certainly don't have enough extra > cash to get everything at once).
Generally, get speakers first and work up the chain from there. Among components, they have the greatest effect on sound. Also, a decent rule of thumb is to spend at least half your budget on speakers, less than half on electronics, and as little as possible on cables... Any moderately-priced interconnects (Monster, etc) should work, and some 14-gauge or 16-gauge zip cord from your local home-improvement store is fine for speaker cables. (Unless you're really spending a load on your stereo, then you _might_ be able to see the effects of "high-end" cables.)
Fair warning: if you have low-fi equipment right now, just buying one hi-fi piece will probably not sound good (or, at least, won't sound any better than what you've got now.) I'm going about building a stereo by buying decent mid-fi stuff to start, and updating from there as I go. (I have B&W 602 speakers with Onkyo electronics right now; I'm planning on some B&W N802's next, followed by better electronics later.)
> Also are there places online where I > can get an idea of prices for such equipment?
Dunno. Most of the high-end sites I've looked at don't list prices. Some of the review sites do. There's a couple Usenet groups on the subject, but they aren't very good. (rec.audio.opinion is 99% flame wars, and rec.audio.high-end is over-moderated and too low-volume.) They're OK for starters, though.
-- Jay "trying to buy all this stuff while he's still a bachelor" Omega NP: DJ Phil on Ytseradio
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:44:13 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: music miseducation of the lauryn hill gang Message-ID: <19990528054413.19603.qmail@hotmail.com>
if music education were to become as widespread and as standard a part of the curriculum as american history, it would necessarily become as blandardized and erroneous (or if not erroneous, as full of holes) as the teaching of high school already is.....
Imagine the scene in the year 2101: the spice girls and matchbox twenty would still be regarded as the epitome of late 20th century music.....do you really want that?
partha
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:48:24 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: blasphemy is an art form Message-ID: <19990528054824.78796.qmail@hotmail.com>
>May I suggest, DT with Spock's Beard as the opener
i was going to tack this on at the end of that previous message, and thus spare you from another post from me.....but I think it bears saying, independently, and not couched within another meaningless post......
and i realize that this is probably the highest form of blasphemy to this list.....but it has got to be said.....
based on what I witnessed last week......
(apologies for the all CAPS)
I WOULD RATHER SEE A SHOW WHERE DREAM THEATER OPENED FOR SPOCKS BEARD
there, it's been said......discuss
and please give my carcass a proper burial
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:37:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Tokugawa Tigger-ette <eernewe1@gnofn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DT present in Music store Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990528013413.16634A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Hey, You know it's amazing. Most people ask who my fav band is, I reply DT. they ask "Who?" I walked into a music equiptment store yesterday, and behold, Mike was the center (and largest) drummer on a Sabian ad, and Jordan was on a TV with Morgenstein jamming. It just shows you the difference between TRUE music fans and people who just like music.
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** My friend, Look closer at what you say and what it says about you... Is your Word your Bond, or your Word an Intention?
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:48:28 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Gee, am I a bored person or what? Message-ID: <001201bea8de$f143a1a0$720d84d0@korgx3>
Shifting the discussion from High Quality Hi Fi equipment, I just spend a shitload of time copying all of my MP3's from my CD's to my hard drive. I figured the acronym MP3 might cause AL to jump from his chair where he would dangle from the ceiling by his sticky, unkempt ass. (Ya know I love ya, AL!) :)
Alas, I am more a sucker for convenience than quality, and if I DID have a quality sound system, it would most likely enhance the cracks and pops of the MP3's anyway, so my Cambridge Soundworks setup works fine for me. :)
Anyway, I figured I'd just brag about my MP3 collection (consisting of ALL of my CD collection having been ripped to MP3. All 18.6GB of it). It's also a demonstration of my attempt at a World's Record: The man with the world's most free time that should have been better spent. :)
Maybe someday I'll be able to make this puppy public access (cable modems might be coming here this year!), but until then, this 2 week long no repeat jukebox is mine, all mine! HAHAHAHAHAHA! :)
Here's a URL with the playlist for those interested. http://www.safelink.net/washburn/playlist.htm
Anyway, I just got back from Star Wars (no spoilers) and I'll tell you. Front Row/Center has its advantages, but jeez, the disadvantages are obvious. My ears are ringing, my eyes hurt, my bladder is infected, and I can see clearly in the dark. Not to mention it somehow replaced Carl Palmer with Robert Palmer in the ELP album I don't own.
My opinion of Star Wars: The Phantom Menace: It doesn't live up to the hype (NOTHING can live up to THAT much hype, but it sure as hell came alot closer than Godzilla, hehehe), but it was a damn great movie overall. In all liklihood it will even be made better by the next two movies as well. SHIT, sorry for spoiling it. I don't think many people knew about the next two movies. Oops. :)
Anyway, I'm frazzled and tired. G'nite folx. -- KorgX3 just said it all. Sorry if you missed it. It's in the fine print.
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 04:33:39 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Gee, am I a bored person or what? Message-ID: <199905281133.EAA16816@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Korg Ecksthrey" thus begged: > >Anyway, I figured I'd just brag about my MP3 collection (consisting of ALL >of my CD collection having been ripped to MP3. All 18.6GB of it). It's >also a demonstration of my attempt at a World's Record: The man with the >world's most free time that should have been better spent. :)
Bah, it's one thing to own that many mp3s of CD's you already have, it's another thing to own 10 gigs of mp3s of stuff you don't have on CD. :)
-The Doc
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