YTSEJAM Digest 5163
Today's Topics:
1) Jaye Foucher?
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
2) Re: backing vocals
by JamesAhab@aol.com
3) Re: New thought on the end
by JamesAhab@aol.com
4) Re:JFK Jr.
by Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
5) Re: Jaye Foucher?
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
6) Where did the murder take place? and character's perspectives
by JamesAhab@aol.com
7) Lemur Voice site updated with more tabs !!
by "Marcel Coenen" <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
8) Re: SfaM In Japan
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
9) SFAM thoughts
by Fett2002@aol.com
10) Over to comments on music
by Stefan Eriksson <stefan.eriksson@mindless.com>
11) art
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
12)
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
13) Tommy
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
14) The Ending to SFAM
by WAxlRose01@aol.com
15) Re: art
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
16) Re: SfaM In Japan
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
17) Re: The Ending to SFAM
by JamesAhab@aol.com
18) Re: The Ending to SFAM
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
19) Re: Symphony X
by JamesAhab@aol.com
20) Re: 2 Versions of regression
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
21) Re: Nicholas and Tommy
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
22) SFaM
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
23) Re: Nicholas and Tommy
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
24) admin?
by The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net>
25) Re: Tommy
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
26) Queensryche- Empire
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
27) Fun little link.
by "pika...CHU!" <phairgirl@home.com>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:16:20 +0100
From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Jaye Foucher?
Message-ID: <000701bf24b6$c30389a0$67ec1dc3@sasa>
anyone heard of Jaye Fucher? I never heard anything by her but it seems that
she`s some bad-ass prog rock guitar player. Anyhow... her favorite shredder
is Mr.Petrucci... and her favorite albums are Images & Words and Awake... go
girls! We need some more prog chicks in our clan! :-))
"Lifting shadows off a dream
Once broken
She can turn a drop of water
Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater
["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr
http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com
ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:20:59 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: backing vocals
Message-ID: <0.55f39d54.254f6c4b@aol.com>
>< >guess he had a big say in that. I especially like the backing vocals in
Home:
>"Love! Deceit! Death!" Brilliance in backing vocals. Whoever heard of such a
>thing?
Just dig deep in rock history, back to The Beatles and The Beach Boys! Lots
of really brilliant backing vocals, and more. Some of their stuff sounds
terribly dated nowadays, and it's hard to understand for younger listeners
today why Sgt. Pepper's and Pet Sounds are still called the best albums of
all time by many people. I was listening to Pet Sounds a lot lately, and it's
for sure that without the groundbreaking innovations of both The Beatles and
The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson the whole music scene of today would look
different. Not only did they write and record great tunes in shorter time it
takes most bands today to put up their gear, their albums also had incredible
productions for their time, and, maybe most
important, starting around 66, they started making real *albums*, not just
collections of singles. So every time you listen to SFAM, don't forget to say
thanks to those old farts ;-)) ><
Oh I know what you mean, but when I said "brilliance in backing vocals," I
meant lyrically, though I didn't phrase it very well.
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:30:26 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: New thought on the end
Message-ID: <0.b76d9f88.254f6e82@aol.com>
>< I hate to shoot some people down but the idea that The Hypnotherapist is
Ed reincarnated taking his vengeance once again is really lame. I mean, the
concept of reincarnation doesn't include that one is born with complete
awareness (or is dominated) of one's past life (if any awareness at all). ><
Exactly, thank you. Agreed on both accounts. The motive is weak and the thing
about past awareness; remember two things: first of all, it is incredibly
easy for the hypnotherapist to "fabricate" Nicholas' memories. Secondly, and
this is only assuming that reincarnation and "the soul" are real:
reincarnation is of the soul, not of the brain. Your brain contains your
memory, and your brain is part of your body; it decays when you die. The soul
is abstract and lives on. However, hypnotizing a person (hypnotizing a
person's brain, not soul) isn't going to conjure up exact memories from the
your soul's last body. Make sense? Maybe this is over-analyzing the story,
but you have to remember one thing about this story: we don't know one
Goddamn thing about reincarnation, much less if it exists. So whose to say
that when a person dies, they are reincarnated the next day? Maybe they're
reincarnated the next week, next year, or 20 years later.
Jim
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:33:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:JFK Jr.
Message-ID: <199911012233.RAA12334@polaris.sju.edu.sju.edu>
Ok....let ME be the one to lay this subject to rest. The only reason that
the news story is in there is because EVERYBODY knows what happened to JFK
over the summer. It shows that the ending of the story is taking place in
the present. They could have used an episode of the Simpsons from June or
July, but they chose JFK coverage. It is as simple as that. I think we are
all reading a little too deep into the meaning of the tv footage. I don't think
that DT had the idea that "HEY.....JFK Jr. might die when we are writing the
end of Met II.....lets put that in because it has to do with the story! Come
on people, it is not symbolic of anything....it just happened to have good
timing to happen while they were mixing the album and provide a little
time frame.....that didn't sound right.....scratch the good timing part :)
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:35:46 +0100
From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Jaye Foucher?
Message-ID: <000701bf24b9$79d1b740$67ec1dc3@sasa>
i just read a few reviews of Jaye`s cd... anyhow, among all the good things
people said about her album here`s a nice qoute you all will like:
Review of "Infectious Licks" CD
Reprinted from Guitar 2001 Magazine Review, New York
Volume II Issue #3, 1997
"...Dream Theater fans will have a ball with tunes such as "Epic" and
"Disjointed"...."
p.s. Cool, eh? Hell, I like her already and I didn`t even hear the whole
album :-)).
"Lifting shadows off a dream
Once broken
She can turn a drop of water
Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater
["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr
http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com
ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:39:25 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Where did the murder take place? and character's perspectives
Message-ID: <0.b970120c.254f709d@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/1/99 3:58:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, coates@objy.com
writes:
>< Here's a thought:
Nicholas has seen bits from the point of view of each of Victoria, Julian and
Edward in his regressions. ><
This is another thing that confused me. If he's supposed to be seeing scenes
from Victoria's memory, then why is he also seeing scenes from Edward and
Julian's memories, eg: "Home."
Also, did the murder occur indoors or outdoors? During the murder scene, we
hear rain and crickets, and the sound of footsteps outdoors (walking on
cement and dirt). In Finally Free, it says "They'd rendezvous in a pathway
out of view." An alleyway? Finally, in Beyond This Life, the article reads
"(The witness) ran to find a woman dead and lying on the ground." Did Edwrad
move the bodies? If it did happen outdoors, why did the old man in the house
say "a girl was murdered here." And why does Nicholas find so many clues
inside this house?
Also, the sound of Edward's gravely footsteps are the exact same as Nicholas'
footsteps when he's inside the house. Something to think about, because
gravely footsteps indoors don't make sense, so there must be a reason.
Jim
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:51:35 +0100
From: "Marcel Coenen" <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
To: <lemurvoice@onelist.com>
Cc: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Lemur Voice site updated with more tabs !!
Message-ID: <001501bf24bb$a72705e0$ae0cced4@cobweb.nl>
Hello all
I just transcribed the end part of the song "Divided" from our current
release "divided", please let me know what U think of it, it is at our
website, follow the link to the guitartabulatures, our site is at:
Cheers,
Marcel
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:46:14 -0600
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SfaM In Japan
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991101164614.00825db0@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
It will have a bonus CD with multimedia stuff and Metropolis 3
At 06:18 AM 5/10/99 -0700, Emerson, Michael J. wrote:
>
>Has anyone posted anything regarding the Japanese release of the new album?
>
>Do we know yet whether or not it will have bonus tracks?
>
>If someone could let me know soon, I'd appreciate it, as I'd like to alter
>my CDNow advance order (if necessary).
>
>
>mikE
>____________________________________________________________
>
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:58:27 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM thoughts Message-ID: <0.22c0544d.254f7513@aol.com>
Hello, This is the first time I've written to list so I'll inrotduce myself. My name's Mike and I love Dream Theater. Nuff said. Now on to the important stuff. Has anyone noticed that the chord progression at the beginning of One Last Time is EXACTLY the same as from Metallica'a "To Live is To Die"? Also, as several people already pointed out, the beginning of Home DOES sound like Tool's "46 and 2" but I think that song is just friggin amazing. Also, as far as the player piano bit goes, I thought it was odd at first but now I enjoy the 20's feel it lends to the song. All in all, what a great album! -Mike
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:06:29 +0100 From: Stefan Eriksson <stefan.eriksson@mindless.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Over to comments on music Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991102000629.0079aa20@m1.174.telia.com>
Now,
how about some comments on all the themes on the album ... themes which have been heard before?
Have someone noticed that Slow Motion, the 7.14 live jam (Long Island, NY 2/1 1993) evolved into Through Her Eyes?
take care all
Stefan
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:13:56 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: art Message-ID: <19991101231357.74657.qmail@hotmail.com>
the voice is australian.. has a definate australian accent.. not myung
>-Here's a nice twist. The hynotherapist's voice may be the voice of >John >Myung. That's why most people don't recognize the voice.
anyone else notice that the "DREAM THEATER" logo went back to it's original font. do you think it's because the album was related to I&W or maybe it's because they're embarassed about the turn out FII and wanted to leave that segment of their career behind them.. dunno..
inferno NP: guess? it's not a very hard one :)
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:27:49 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Message-ID: <19991101232749.63705.qmail@hotmail.com>
the girl from I&W is from "wait for sleep" that's obvious.. and wait for sleep wasn't related to metropolis.. if anything it was an intro to Learning To Live
inferno
> I think the whole "girl on the cover of I&W" stuff is way off > >mark. >Victoria's probably early 20s, ok. I think that Nick is pretty old, >if >Victoria died in 1928, then Nick (to be the continuation of her soul) > >would >have been born at the same time. Most older people (around 70 years >in >this >case) tend to call people in their early 20s things like "young >child" - >it's all relative...!
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:33:40 -0500 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Tommy Message-ID: <LPBBLFELJFHMJGEAFNIDKEGKCAAA.indii@vistatech.net>
I got The Who's "Tommy", the other day. I must say that it is one amazing album. IMO not as good as "The Wall" but very good none the less. So i have a question. I am confused. Between the songs Pinball Wizard and Sally Simpson, is Tommy CURED? Cause the whole Sally SImpson song talks about Tommy Speaking and leading a religious cult or something. What the hell happened. Or is this something that is going on in Tommy's mind?? Also i'm looking for a site or an essay that explains the whole story of Tommy.
Indii
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:11:39 EST From: WAxlRose01@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Ending to SFAM Message-ID: <0.c3c7414b.254f863b@aol.com>
I think most people agree with this take on the ending:
Nicholas wakes, gets in his car, drives away. First hint of the Psychiatrist's plans: sinister theme music fades in. Nicholas pulls up in his car, gets out. Walks to door, unlocks it, steps inside. CUT TO PSYCHIATRIST, ALREADY INSIDE HOUSE: (If you listen closely, you hear the scene cut) Psychiatrist is watching TV, JFK Jr Tradgedy meant to both 1) give reference to time period and 2) symbolize the tradgedy that one generation suffered is carried to another (foreshadowing). Psychiatrist flips off television, fixes himself a drink. (Note, another key the band includes to signal you that there's two different people in those final minutes is the footsteps. Nicholas walks quickly, the Psychiatrist walks with a slow deliberation. Listen for it.) Psychiatrist puts on record, and hides somewhere in the room. CUT TO NICHOLAS, OPENING THE DOOR (you can hear the hinges on the door creaking as he slowly opens it, drawn in by the unexpected sound of the record) As Nicholas enters the room and walks over to the record player, Psychiatrist approaches him from behind and utters the same words which he spoke when he killed Nicholas 70 years ago, "Open your eyes ___". Nicholas, so startled to hear his voice, spins over and knocks record player needle. Hence, static. Psychiatrist then (presumeably) kills Nicholas for revenge, reinforcing the theme of the entire album that Deceit and Death are two things that are eternal.
Some flaws: Why does Nicholas regress again in the car, even though he's not hypnotized? How does the Psychiatrist both get home first and get into the house?
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:52:31 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: art Message-ID: <19991102.035241.224.2.willeyatc@juno.com>
> the voice is australian.. has a definate australian accent.. not > myung
LOL!! i think that was supposed to be a joke...
> anyone else notice that the "DREAM THEATER" logo went back to it's > original > font.
hehe.... lol... wow, nice observation (sarcastically)... sorry, no offense... it's just funny because we were all talking about this months ago!!!
ytseJon
Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:48:26 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SfaM In Japan Message-ID: <19991102.035241.224.1.willeyatc@juno.com>
> It will have a bonus CD with multimedia stuff and Metropolis 3
I don't think so??? MP and JP both were quoted as saying there are no bonus tracks on the CD for japan. i think Mark bredius actually told us in the Mirror list..... just what I heard.... geez, i would love to hear Met 3 though!!! ;-)
Jon
> At 06:18 AM 5/10/99 -0700, Emerson, Michael J. wrote: > > > >Has anyone posted anything regarding the Japanese release of the > new album? > > > >Do we know yet whether or not it will have bonus tracks? > > > >If someone could let me know soon, I'd appreciate it, as I'd like > to alter > >my CDNow advance order (if necessary). > > > > > >mikE > >____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > --- > > > Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico > -------------------------------------------------------- > http://welcome.to/thenetdom
ytseJon
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:49:01 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Ending to SFAM Message-ID: <0.22c33c01.254f9d0d@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/1/99 7:15:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, WAxlRose01@aol.com writes:
>< I think most people agree with this take on the ending:
Nicholas wakes, gets in his car, drives away. First hint of the Psychiatrist's plans: sinister theme music fades in. Nicholas pulls up in his car, gets out. Walks to door, unlocks it, steps inside. CUT TO PSYCHIATRIST, ALREADY INSIDE HOUSE: (If you listen closely, you hear the scene cut) Psychiatrist is watching TV, JFK Jr Tradgedy meant to both 1) give reference to time period and 2) symbolize the tradgedy that one generation suffered is carried to another (foreshadowing). Psychiatrist flips off television, fixes himself a drink. (Note, another key the band includes to signal you that there's two different people in those final minutes is the footsteps. Nicholas walks quickly, the Psychiatrist walks with a slow deliberation. Listen for it.) Psychiatrist puts on record, and hides somewhere in the room. CUT TO NICHOLAS, OPENING THE DOOR (you can hear the hinges on the door creaking as he slowly opens it, drawn in by the unexpected sound of the record) As Nicholas enters the room and walks over to the record player, Psychiatrist approaches him from behind and utters the same words which he spoke when he killed Nicholas 70 years ago, "Open your eyes ___". Nicholas, so startled to hear his voice, spins over and knocks record player needle. Hence, static. Psychiatrist then (presumeably) kills Nicholas for revenge, reinforcing the theme of the entire album that Deceit and Death are two things that are eternal.
Some flaws: Why does Nicholas regress again in the car, even though he's not hypnotized? How does the Psychiatrist both get home first and get into the house? ><
Some other flaws (besides the really obvious `how did the hypnotist break into the house?`) :
The door shuts after we hear the TV is on. It's hard to explain. It all depends on where the cut happens.
There's two possibilities here:
1) Outside, Nick comes up the walkway, takes out his keys, and unlocks the door, then CUT inside to the sound of the TV, followed by the sound of the door shutting.
2) Outside, Nick comes up the walkway, takes out his keys, unlocks the door, we hear the TV on, then the door shutting, *then* the CUT inside where you hear the TV.
Those are the only two possible places the CUT from Nick outside to the Doc inside could happen, and both are impossible, because in #1, why would the TV be on before the door is shut? The door shutting would be the Doc entering the house. What else could it be? In #2, if Nick opens the door, we should hear the record playing.
Also, if Nicholas opens the door then shuts it the first time, how come we don't hear the door shut the second time?
I mean I'm having a hard time finding that the 21-second thing can be a coincidence, but as always with these theories, nothing evens up. Anyway, Mike said at the chat that "a *few* people have gotten it so far" (referring to the portnoy.com forum). It must be some theory that only a few people have said, not the common belief.
However, I still cannot accept the motive. Edward killing Nicholas because he's *still mad at something that happened in a past life?* It's very very shallow. Anyway, the hypnotherapist told Nicholas that death is not the end, simply a transition, so why would he kill Nicholas when he knows his soul will move on? It doesn't add up, that's all. I'm not convinced of any theory, not even my own, but I do think my theory has the ending that would make the most sense (Victoria gets her revenge).
Jim
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:51:38 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Ending to SFAM Message-ID: <001f01bf24d4$ce9e22c0$702010ac@clemson.edu>
]From: <WAxlRose01@aol.com> Subject: The Ending to SFAM
> he spoke when he killed Nicholas 70 years ago, "Open your eyes ___". Nicholas, > so startled to hear his voice, spins over and knocks record player needle. > Hence, static. Psychiatrist then (presumeably) kills Nicholas for revenge, > reinforcing the theme of the entire album that Deceit and Death are two things > that are eternal.
i agree with that summary pretty much completely.
> Some flaws: > Why does Nicholas regress again in the car, even though he's not hypnotized?
i dont think he regresses, he is simply remembering/thinkign about it.
> How does the Psychiatrist both get home first and get into the house?
i think nicholas didnt go straight home, he went somewhere and stopped the car and thought over all this stuff. its hard to relive your own murder while driving. moo.
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:56:16 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Symphony X Message-ID: <0.aa1bbe45.254f9ec0@aol.com>
>< Rob Grant wrote: > > Why is it that Symphony X was unable to get a record deal in the US? Actually, they were just recently signed with Metal Blade here in the States for all future recordings (no back catalog support though)... >> ><
The good news is Inside Out, Sym X's European distributor, has created Inside Out US, so maybe it won't be so hard to get old Sym X in the US anymore (actually, it never has been - lasercd.com).
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:53:44 -0600 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: 2 Versions of regression Message-ID: <006401bf24dd$7f6103e0$de078ad1@boner>
Dont know what you are talking about, but i also downloaded mp3s made from the promo, and the only difference is the ending. so i guess that rules out #1.
> This leads to one of three possibilities > > 1. The net version is from the promo album > 2. Somebody was messing with the original version to create the net > version. > 3. The Canadian release of SFAM is different. >
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:10:16 -0700 From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Nicholas and Tommy Message-ID: <003401bf24df$e9f1ad20$820d84d0@safelink.net>
> How does the Psychiatrist both get home first and get into the house?
I think if anything, going by this theory, Nicholas makes a stop at the graveyard prior to going home to visit Victoria's grave. During this time the Hypno could easily break into his house through a window or something.
But. I like Chris Oates' version more and more. :)
Notice the Chonology key at the begining. Past to Present. The story maintains an even flow of events from beginning to end. The story begins with Nick regressing into hypnosis and ends with him coming out of it now. The story takes place completely in Nick's time frame.
When you read the story over and over, he keeps going back to what must be Edward's home during his regression. One time he goes there he sees an older man who won't help him solve the puzzle. This man is Edward, but at the time during the regression, he didn't really have any foresight about Edward's actions.
So, after he learns of Victoria and Julian's murder at Edward's hand, he goes to Victoria's grave to mourn her. Remember, he's still in a state of regression, guided by the hypnotherapist.
Suddenly everything opens up to him and he realizes who Edward is. He travels to Edward's home for vengeance. Now, at the beginning of Finally Free), DT pulls a slick one. The HT says "Open your eyes, Nicholas," awakening Nick and the story ends here. But, Finally Free is a recap of everything that happens in the last moments before Nick awakens.
Nick arrives at Edward's home at the end of the CD. Edward's innocently inside going about his business. Nick goes up the steps and unlocks the door. Remember, it's a dream, Nick can have the keys. (Not to mention he is Victoria, Edward's ex-lover [possibly wife], who could have keys as well). Nick's footsteps prior to the awakening sound very determined. Nick is going to kill Edward. Suddenly the hypnotherapist uses his suggestion to awaken Nicholas and Nick wakes up with a shock. Ah! The phonograph needle, I think, symbolizes the abrupt end of the dream. Nick isn't killed, he just wakes up.
Notice as well, that when the HT says, "Open your eyes, Nicholas" at :24 and 11:14 of Finally Free, that it is the exact same sample. The same tone and inflection and without malice. I would think a bloodthirsty murderer would say them a little more angry, but that's just MHO. hehehe. I think the tone and inflection are another clue that this is a more valid explanation of the story.
Thanks to Chris Oates for this suggestion on the ending. I took it and screwed it up a bit, but I like this one alot. :)
> mind?? Also i'm looking for a site or an essay that explains > the whole story of Tommy.
Just go rent the movie. :) It's not too bad, really. -- KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:44:39 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFaM Message-ID: <381E5E27.C58D507D@home.com>
Matej said: > John Petrucci stated in an interview > after a clinic, that the story is roughly about > the MAN WHO'S TRYING TO FIND THE KILLER OF HIS WIFE > IN HER PAST LIFE.
Hmmmmm..... so could Nicholas be Julian reincarnated, and Nicholas' wife be Victoria reincarnated?
- Joe D.
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:16:03 -0700 From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Nicholas and Tommy Message-ID: <001501bf24e8$fbe58980$820d84d0@safelink.net>
> Notice the Chonology key at the begining. Past to Present. The story
Bleah. My bad. I just understood the signifigance of the chronological key. hehehe. Things italicized happened in the past. Duh. OK. My bad.
I love you, period. Do you love me, question ma-hark? Please, please, exclamation point! I want to hold you (in parenthesis) -- KorgX3 has painfully erect nipples. ow.
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:39:56 -0500 From: The Gatherer <gatherer@louisville.crosswinds.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: admin? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991101233956.007a68d0@pop.louisville.crosswinds.net >
May I ask who the administrator of this list is, don't worry, no one's in trouble Dave
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:51:49 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Tommy Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911012350300.16761-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Chuck Reis wrote:
> > mind?? Also i'm looking for a site or an essay that explains > > the whole story of Tommy. > > Just go rent the movie. :) It's not too bad, really.
The show version is MUCH MUCH better than the movie version. We did it here in '97, I was incredibly happy to be a part of it. The whole second act is just ridiculous, though... It's like The Who didn't have an idea of how to complete the story now that Tommy can see and speak and hear again, so they just made everybody go nuts until the grand finale.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the average man can see better than he can think. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Queensryche- Empire Message-ID: <19991102055901.9291.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
I just downloaded ryche's entire 'Empire' album in mp3 format (shut up Al) and so far it seems to be okay, but then again I'm only 2:30 into the first song. My question is this-- how does this album compare to other ryche releases? Better? Not so good? The deepest levels of suckdom? At the very least, this band has a pretty good guitarist. Anyway, between buying the new DT CD today plus APSoG as well as downloading Empire, this has turned out to be a rather proggy day. Later y'all. Oh yeah, if it wasn't obvious, I'm first time ryche listener. Laterz.
===== *Trent
"Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault." Me
"I can make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:13:49 -0600 From: "pika...CHU!" <phairgirl@home.com> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Fun little link. Message-ID: <000201bf250a$3100cd20$c02d0b18@dubuq1.ia.home.com>
Silly Mark Tinta! He accidentally ruined The Veil for me, but that's okay, because he rocks, and he runs a nice parody 'zine called Infernal Combustion... which, in the recent issue, contains an amuzing little article about something that may be of interest.
Yeah.
http://www.holeinthewall.com/ic_lte.htm
Go laugh now.
--summer phairgirl@hoe.nu http://www.hoe.nu
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