YTSEJAM Digest 5204
Today's Topics:
1) Re: SFaM Instrumentals
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
2) re: Keyboard debate, "string" sounds
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) Re: SFaM Instrumentals
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
4) If this is Eternity, I wanna go to Hell. :)
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
5) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Descartes=2C_Ren=E9?=
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5203
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
7) Re: SFaM Instrumentals
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
8) Re: If this is Eternity, I wanna go to Hell. :)
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
9) RE: Just before I go...
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
10) Re: Too many web pages!!!
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
11) This may be the longest post today...
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
12) Re: Too many web pages!!!
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) more jokes
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
14) Al, I have need of your expertise
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
15) Boof thwak bif pow
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
16) Metheny / LTE / Vai
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
17) How many keys do I need?
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
18) slappin' the upright
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
19) Bucktehead/Primus
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
20) slappin' the upright
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:37:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals
Message-ID: <19991122183711.28445.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > Now as
> > for TDoE, I coulnd't agree more. I find that piece very boring and
> > uneccessary. It's not acting as an introductory or as closure or as
> anything,
> > it's just "there."
Have you listened to Shadow Gallery's Tyranny ? There's this
instrumental Chased, which is to give you a feeling of - well - being
chased. If you think that TDoE is just 'there', I guess Chased 'is'
too, but IMHO, if you leave it out, it just wouldn't 'be' the same ;-)
They're both used to take you to something new, to move on from one
atmosphere (sp?) to another, which would be hard (or at least harder)
to do with lyrics in it (at least to me, lyrics very powerfully express
feelings and such, and in that way can only deliver those when they're
about what's going on right now). Uh...hope that someone actually
understands something about those lines...huh...
> What's wrong with just being there? If it didn't have a different
> title but
> was the end of the previous song, it would just an instrumental
> section. It
> doesn't have to be an intro or an ending. I think the album flows
> really
> nicely from Home into TDoE. TDoE flows right into One Last Time. It's
> a sort
> of bridge section. A non-vocal part. I can't help thinking of concept
> albums
> in an "rock opera" (for lack of a better term) sense. Picture this
> being
> played out on stage. This would a dance - I guess, based on the title
> :). Or
> maybe not a dance. If it's a movie, then this is one of those
> sections where
> stuff is happening and there's music but no dialog.
This is so much clearer what I was trying to say a few lines ago. Maybe
now you get a better picture at what I'm talking about.
>
> > I don't care for
> > both Ytse jam and Erotomania either, and I'm sure i'll get flamed
> for that
>
> Ack! Erotomania is one of my favorites! I love it. Ytse Jam is way
> more of a
> shred fest :). I love it too but Erotomania I like more.
>
I'd say that no instrumental shouldn't be like any other. I mean,
that's usually why they're instrumentals; the song and the mood and
what the band wants to say with it is so unique and something that
cannot be expressed with lyrics, or isn't wanted to. In Ytsejam, it's
supposed to give a hint of what these guys can do (NOTE: this isn't
confirmed, but I'd say so, the album is they're first, had to create
some noise about themselves). Erotomania is revealing a bit of the feel
that the other parts are giving, it's an introduction. Lost without you
is SO beautiful, that any lyrics and voice just would have destroyed it
completely (IMHO!!!!)
Again, I prolly more confused than cleared everybody's minds about the
issue, hope that there's a little more conversation about it thou', so
maybe my thoughts will come out as they lay in my mind.
Please people, tell me (or us) what do you think. I'll release the
bandwidth now...;-)
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Janne Jokitalo
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:37:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Keyboard debate, "string" sounds
Message-ID: <19991122183750.27372.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
"Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> wrote:
>... what I think sets Rudess apart is the voices
he chooses to use.
>...Jordan uses a great deal of variety in the key
sounds. A few of them
> really jumped out at me, just made me say "wow, that
sounds pretty
> f*ckin' neat". Two good examples are: The
percussive organ(?)
> sound at 4:12 of Fatal Tragedy and the synth brass
thing at 8:28 of
> beyond this life (which I know some people don't
like).
I agree. Jordan has used a lot of new sounds (and
composition) on SFaM. This tends to be risky, since it
is a change, and some people may not like the new
stuff. I really liked most of his new sounds right
from the beginning, and have gotten used to the rest
of them by now. (I don't care a lot for that lead
sound he uses at about 8:40 in "Home". The notes are
great, and the way it jumps into the solo are great,
but the actual keyboard sound isn't my favorite.) I
also like his use of the piano, even when he plays
"Yngwie" of the piano. :)
As for this infamous "synth brass sound" at 8:28 in
Beyond This Life, I appreciate it for it's
fusion/Zappa references. But I do think that section
would have fit much better in TDoE. The overall
instrumental break in Beyond This Life is one of my
favorite moments on all of SFaM. It really has a hard
rocking groove, kinda like a mutation of early Black
Sabbath, but heavier. The short Zappa section breaks
up the overall flow of the hugh groove going on there
in BTL. IMHO, it would fit better somewhere else.
And my biggest issue (wouldn't call it a complaint,
just a personal favorite that is missing), is the lack
of "string oriented" synth sounds. String-style sounds
are by far my favorite keyboard sounds. I could have
them in every song. They are used sparingly and at
lowered levels in places (such as Overture 1928,
Strange Deja Vu, One Last Time and Finally Free), and
those are my favorite songs because of the use of more
"stringy" synth.
For another example of what I mean by "stringy"
sounds, think of the song "Timelessness" on Fear
Factory/Obsolete. I just can't get enough of the
variations and mutations of "string" synth sounds.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:00:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals
Message-ID: <19991122190057.3853.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> wrote:
> > (C'mon guys, if we don't fill the CD clear full, we're gonna get
> bitched at
> > on the 'jam). hehehe. I sadly think this is somewhat true.
>
> I can't believe that. I think it's just DT's style. They just love to
> jam so
> that's what they write and that's what they record. It seems to be
> working
> for them.
>
> > Look at Trial of Tears on FII. I totally love that song,
> > but why the hell is there an extended 5 minute instrumental jam in
> the
> > middle of it.
>
> Maybe because that's what they wrote and that's what they wanted? I
> can't
> believe that they are doing it just to fill space. If *anything*, I
> would
> expect the opposite.
/me thinks that they'd like to jam a LOT longer, but are to be cut out
because the stupid CD's too short length...;-) Think about it ? I mean,
think of how quick they made both LTE's ? And please don't start with
that those not being transitions...they're not, but we ARE talking
'bout jams.
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:03:19 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: If this is Eternity, I wanna go to Hell. :)
Message-ID: <001d01bf351c$5d33de60$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>Instrumental Chased, which is to give you a feeling of - well - being
>chased. If you think that TDoE is just 'there', I guess Chased 'is'
LOL. Then I guess Eternity must be a real shitty dancer, cuz the fucker
can't even keep a steady beat. :) Doh! :)
-- KorgX3 would rather dance with Death. NP: Anthrax - Persistance of Time------------------------------
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:27:51 -0500 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: "YTSEJAM Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Descartes=2C_Ren=E9?= Message-ID: <000901bf351f$b1742360$76035a8c@nws.noaa.gov>
>>>I think, therefore, I am! >> >>Coito, ergo sum, eh?:) > >Er- Zeus, what you probably mean is 'Cogito ergo sum', I don't know what you were >thinking but don't mix 'Cogito' with 'Coitus' ;)
Obviously a typo but I was still ROTFLMAO. I like Zeus' version better than Decartes', "coìre, ergo sum." This allows drummers and DS to also prove their own existance ;-)
I-Man
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:34:04 -0500 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5203 Message-ID: <000c01bf3520$89653480$76035a8c@nws.noaa.gov>
For those Yes fans who get DirecTV, DTV will be showing Yes live (Ladder Tour) for free starting on Thanksgiving. I think for two or three days straight I'm not sure. Cool!
I-Man
> 3. "The Ladder" by Yes is a great album, they are also kicking major butt on > tour - so if you get a chance, go see them you will not be dissapointed.
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:59:29 EST From: ToxicSheep@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals Message-ID: <0.230bb1f.256afaa1@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/22/99 3:36:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, KorgX3 writes:
<< Look at Trial of Tears on FII. I totally love that song, but why the hell is there an extended 5 minute instrumental jam in the middle of it. *thunk!* Not any more thanks to CL's Wave Studio! :) *doh*. The midsection of Metropolis? *thunk!* *pwap!* >>
Then I have one question for you- What do you think of Liquid Tension Experiment?? (or any other instrumental prog for that matter....)
Personally, I have always found that the instrumental music grabs me the most, and I don't even realize it. Not to say that I don't like vocals, but for example, when I think about some of my favorite bands, some mostly or all instrumental stuff comes to mind such as Dixie Dregs, Planet X, Bela Fleck, and Steve Vai.... Even with bands like DT, I can say that TDOE or Erotomania are some of my favs...or YYZ with Rush.
AdaM
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: If this is Eternity, I wanna go to Hell. :) Message-ID: <19991122200532.10061.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote:
> LOL. Then I guess Eternity must be a real shitty dancer, cuz the > fucker > can't even keep a steady beat. :) Doh! :) > -- > KorgX3 would rather dance with Death. > NP: Anthrax - Persistance of Time
Well, you know, the dance with Death is like the Eternal suffering, so if you take those two then you get : the Dance of Eternity --> Eternal Pain from a lousy dance like that :)
NOW it all makes sense ;-)
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:09:34 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Just before I go... Message-ID: <001d01bf3525$7f920000$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Korg Ecksthrey
> One of my friends mentioned Direct TV is showing one of their > concerts from > "The Ladder" tour soon. I think this coming weekend, in > fact. I could be > wrong though... Best of all, he said it's free, to boot. :) > Can someone > confirm the date and time? I'm interested in seeing this. :)
According to the e-mail I got last night on the satellite box, the Yes concert will be on all day November 25, on channel 103. Now DirecTV is known for moving channels around and not telling anyone, so the best bet is to just scroll through the listing if it ends up not being on that particular channel. I'm interested in seeing it to, as we missed Yes when they were here a few weeks ago. We waited too long to buy tickets. Well, that, and the tickets were $60 each or so (not including the "convenience fees").
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:02:52 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Too many web pages!!! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991122210252.015f2f20@pi-r-squared.com>
At 04:25 AM 11/22/99 -0800, you wrote: > >I still contend that there are entirely too many junk web-pages out there. >Their only purpose is to pad the ego of the maintainer. Many are of no use >to anyone and should be deleted. >
It takes time and experience to be able to make a good page, and everyone's gotta start somewhere. Like it or not, the internet is for everyone, not just people who have useful information, or do important things with their lives. Many people start so-called "junk pages" because they want to try something new. God forbid they not be brilliant from the get-go. Ways to eliminate junk pages including using "" around the text you enter, using conjunctions to make your search parameters more specific, and several other methods which are explained on just about every search engine known to man.
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:55:56 GMT From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: This may be the longest post today... Message-ID: <19991122205556.12434.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>for TDoE, I coulnd't agree more. I find that piece very boring and >>uneccessary. It's not acting as an introductory or as closure or >>as >>anything, it's just "there." > >What's wrong with just being there? If it didn't have a different >title >but was the end of the previous song, it would just an >instrumental >section. It Yes, it would. But the point is, it'd still be a boring instrumental section. I agree totally with the guy who said there were too many fillers. I think this is why it always helps to have an outside influence in the form of a producer, ESPECIALLY on albums as complex as this (in conceptual terms). Without Bob Ezrin and Gilmour needling RogerWaters, I don't think the Wall would be much better than The Final Cut. The thing about a producer is: if you don't like what he has to say, you can fire him; but you always listen to what he says first - or what are you paying him for? The problem with producing it yourself is, you get so wrapped up in the creative side, that you don't have anyone there to say "err...no, John. That's shit." There's more to procucing an album than, say JP deciding to use a Strat on Strange Deja Vu.
>non-Kosher here. :) I think TDoE is a technical wonder. I can >listen > >at< it time and again and go, "How the hell do they do that >shit?" But >when I listen >to< it, it seems dull, lifeless, and >self-indulgent, like >alot of the LTE stuff. I mean, there's no point I agree 99% with Korgie here. That's what I meant when I said it sounds like what you'd expect from one of those multitude of bad DT rip-off bands (who like to think that they're being progressive, but aren't really). Technically...Yeah. Awesome. But I just don't like the riffs. They sound dull. I don't like the main keys riff or the guitar riff that follows on Erotomania, to be honest; but because that piece then gets better and better, I can deal with it. That's how an overture SHOULD be done - and it wasn't even intended as one! HOWEVER, as far as LTE goes...WTWB lasts over 15 minutes, and never once ceases to be amazing both to listen at and to. I find that piece wondrous. The only throwaway bit on LTE2 is Chewbacca, but even that's still pretty good. It says in the liner notes to 914 that "if you like that, there's a LOT more where that came from" - right! Cheers, Mike! Where do we find the MP3s?
>A bit has been said about Jordan Rudess. I just want to throw in my >vote >way in favor of him. I like his playing. Like right now in the >beginning >of Finally Free with that nice piano. But all over this >album. Although I >liked Derek's playing (still trying to get the >scoop on his departure), I >found him too, I don't know, organ-ish. I >guess I felt that his style was >more metal/Hammond Organ than a style Yeah. I was a sceptic at first, but I >think - debarring THAT synth horn section - he's awesome. As you say, FF is >amazing. I'm not so sure about some of his solos (in fact, I think that the >instrumentals in both BTL and Home are WAAAAY too extended), but his "real" >contributions are just genius. I do like organ sounds (I still really miss >KevMo's sounds...I loved them, there aren't enough on record), and I'm glad >that Jordan's not been shy to use organ. I didn't like Derek's live organ >tone, but it was great on FII. I LOVE the organ sounds on Yes' new album too. Speaking of which...
I really like The Ladder. I think it's their best album certainly since Relayer, probably since Fragile. I still miss Bill Bruford; Alan White's always struck me as solid rather than spectacular...BB was just beyond belief, and still is, if you care to check out what he did with ABWH or King Crimson "recently". But the Ladder is great...All the best bits are back, especially the vocals. It does get a bit dragging in places; Face To Face grates slightly; but it contains the a capella highlight of the album - when you hear it, you'll know what I mean. Chris Squire proves why he is THE man for bass, even playing without a plec in places. OK, so Lightning Strikes is pure toss, but one turkey per album isn't bad, and it never hurt TFTO. It never quite ascends to the dizzying height they reach on opener "Homeworld" (although they get damn close), and Jon Anderson sounds better than he ever has before. I'd like to see them re-record "Heart of the Sunrise" again, because it always bugged me how weak Jon's voice was back then. Now he's got the same tone, but it's soooooo much stronger. Do we miss Rock Wankman? No, not really. Igor Khoroshev's keys parts are fantastic. Buy this album guys. If you only buy one YES album...This is the one. I still don't get the fuss about Steve Howe though.
>is somewhat true. Look at Trial of Tears on FII. I totally love >that >song, but why the hell is there an extended 5 minute >instrumental jam in >the middle of it. *thunk!* Not any more thanks >to CL's Wave Studio! :) >*doh*. Yeah, korgie baby, YEAH! I'm studying a Sound Engineering degree, and to teach myself pro-tools, I fucked around with FII. I edited out all of JP's guitar solo in TOT, but kept Derek's keys solo AND YOU'D NEVER KNOW! I took out the whole second verse of TAMP, and YOU'D NEVER KNOW! The copy of FII that I have is thus (and I recomend it): 1. Hell's Kitchen 2. Lines in the Sand 3. Peruvian Skies 4. The Way It Used To Be (culled from an MP3) 5. Hollow Years 6. Just Let Me Breathe 7. Take Away My Pain 8. You Or Me (culled from an MP3) 9. Burning My Soul 10. Trial of Tears
For my next assignment, I'm going to edit SFaM down to about 60 minutes. Out go the instrumentals, the static at the end gets shortened by half, and BTL and Home are going to get a LOT shorter. Sacrilege!
>The midsection of Metropolis? *thunk!* *pwap!* ACK! *Korg gets >pelted >with stones* *thump* *plup* >KorgX3 grabs his stainless steel umbrella. Worse than sacrilege! NOBODY is going to stone NOBODY *UNTIL* I say the word. Even if they do say...Metropolis. Argh! <simon gets pelted by stones too>. Hey! Stop throwing Start Me Up at me! <Grabs Led Zep umbrella, and fires off vastly superior riffs at the stones barrage>. <No sooner does he do this than Status Quo appear and annihalate prog with a devastating 12-bar boogie>.
Time to stop, I'm getting too surreal.
Si Chairman, the Sam Turner Fan Club
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:00:03 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Too many web pages!!! Message-ID: <3839AED3.92B35CAC@isd.net>
Dave Peterson wrote: >Now, if anyone could share information on how to avoid these pages when >doing a search on the web, or search engines to avoid, I'm all ears (as I'm >sure is the rest of the 'Jam).
If you use the "advanced search" option that several search engines have you can specify dates. Here is a few that have that feature. AltaVista http://www.altavista.com/ HotBot http://www.hotbot.com/index.html
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:14:39 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: more jokes Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991122211439.00ddf348@pi-r-squared.com>
We used to have a whole bunch of these posted on the wall of our band hall:
HOw do you when a drummer is knocking at your door: he rushes What's the difference between a cellist and a coffin. The coffin has the dead body on the inside How do you get three picollos to play in perfect harmony? Shoot two of them Our band director gave a guy two sticks and made him a drummer, but he lost one and became a conductor. How many saxaphones does it take to change a light bulb: 3. one to do it, and 2 to contemplate how David Sanborn would do it.
When told to turn on his amp, the guitar player stroked it while saying "I love you"
There's many many others that I can't remember... but I remember this painful segment that ended the poster
These jokes are so Badd, I can't Handel them! They can be Mendhlesomm! They make me Lizt-less! I think I'll just go out Bach and stay in Haydyn.
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:07:16 GMT From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Al, I have need of your expertise Message-ID: <19991122210716.83277.qmail@hotmail.com>
I probably should do this by private mail, but nobody on this list's wholly inimicable to a little non-DT thread. Al, a while back, when you were pontificating upon hi-fi vs lo-fi, you talked about MP3s, and how they were shit, and you could really tell on a high-end setup. Curiously enough, I found myself in a similar debate (over a guy who wanted to buy one of those portable MP3 players. D'oh!). Can you give me a dissection on why MP3 is shit, something extremely comprehensive and technical to confuse the poor bastard into supplication? You can be as techie as you like, I'm doing asound engineering degree and he isn't. No, I'm not taking the piss, I'm serious.
Help appreciated, Si
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:13:33 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Boof thwak bif pow Message-ID: <3839B1FD.D91B9FCE@isd.net>
Andreas Skarin wrote: >Al, first of all: Don't talk unless you can improve the silence.
Ooh.. That was positively Shakespearean! *choke*
"Al @ Switchcraft" wrote: > If you're not going to help someone, shut the fuck up.
Andreas Skarin wrote: >It's not my job to help him use the Internet, but if the he wouldn't have > been a bigger asshole than you seem to think I am; I might have gone >out of my way to help him. And also, don't tell me to shut the fuck up, >because you know I won't :o)
Yeah... I kind of figured that.. :) Poke Poke
>My self esteem couldn't possibly be any higher, hence it doesn't need a >boost. <snip>
Why doesn't that surprise me?
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:54:53 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Metheny / LTE / Vai Message-ID: <3839836D.EDF5131A@mol.com.mk>
> From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> > > >> which PAt MEtheny's album to buy. > >> Which one is the best for a new listener? > > > > Hmm..tough question..all of his stuff is so good..Here are some > > general considerations about each of my favorite Metheny albums > > Oh Bright Size Life. Definitely! :)
Mua-ha-ha. He copied his reply and actually chose my sugestion! That must hurted. ;o) Go boy, get the CD.
> From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals > Look at Trial of Tears on FII. I totally love that song, but why > the hell is there an extended 5 minute instrumental jam in the > middle of it. *thunk!*
click .... <aiming> .... BANG. Checking with my leg the body. BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG!!!
> The midsection of Metropolis? *thunk!* *pwap!* ACK! *Korg > gets pelted with stones* *thump* *plup*
OK, I agree on this one, not for the beginning of the section, but the last 2 minutes of the instrumental, the one most complex one is totally unnecesarry. But the beginning, after the Myung part, that solo duo just kills me. :)
> From: Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com> > > And someone else called LTE 'self-indulgent', using > that to describe the instrumentals in SFAM. Might this > be due to the improv nature of LTE? If the problem you > have w/ LTE is that it's mostly all technical flash > with little 'deep musical content', I think the improv > nature is to blame.
The result of LTE music was the original concept and idea behind the LTE project. Yes, it's NOT composed music with too much thinking in it, but it WAS supposed to be like that. I guess it was supposed to be more jamming oriented.
To hell with it, this is the reason why that friend girl of mine after listening some mindblowing LTE asked me: "OK, this is the most perfect technical playing I heard BUT what is the thing these people trying to convey, WHAT is progressive rock actually? What their music means?", on which I just made a donkey face. (remember that discussion??) I didn't know what to answer. These 3 guys came together for a few days jam, it's a project not a band, so what can we expect from such situation? I still didn't came to agreement with this girl. She still asks from me to show her where is the background of progresive rock. And she is right concretely about the point: Tehnical virtuosity means jack shit if the MUSIC doesn't do anything, if the COMPOSITION is not there. Why is this rock "progressive"? What makes it progressive? Certainly more technical masturbation and some odd time changes doesn't bring the "progressive" add, there must be something else. And according to me, I think there is something else, but I can't express it with words. It's just that some music makes you feel that special way, but I can't pass this feeling to her or anyone. What's funny is that I have that special feeling also for the music she adores (world music, ethno foklore based one), music that makes you shivers, cry, makes your hair stand straight, . AND I feel sometimes the same with progressive rock. So the way I see it is that since I have that feeling on her loved music (and we agree perfectly fine on that subject discussion) AND on progresive rock, that it is proof it does SOMETHING, but I cannot describe it. So what to do now? :)
> From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net> > Subject: Steve Vai tour dates > > WHAT THE FUCK? :) Well I do hope it's our Ljubljana > and not some Czech village :)
OK, so the next thing is trying to find out if Czecho has some village named Ljubljana! ;)
> And as far as I know they haven't assimilated us.. hey, if > serbs couldn't do it, we ain't surrendering to some whimpy > czechs :) hehe
Last thing I heard is Serbia uniting Europe to give a pay-back time to USA. We'll all be again the almighty SFRJ! ;)
> Matej (who will die and go to doggie haven if Vai actually > does come to Ljubljana!!!)
Yah, me too! And guess who is going to buy the ticket for me if DT plays in Ljubljana? :)
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:38:47 -0800 From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: How many keys do I need? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991122133847.00cd9220@objypop>
>He had 1 - repeat ONE - Keyboard in front of him at the concert and he got >everything out of it, the solo was amazing. I saw Derek on 5YiaL and he 'needed' >three.
Well, here's a few facts:
1) That "one" keyboard of Jordan's is heavily expanded and modified, and more than the 3 Keyboards Derek had on stage combined.
2) Jordan still can't get the killer Hammond organ sounds that Derek got out of the VK-7, which is all that keyboard does.
3) I don't think the Kurzy does physical modeling, which is what Derek used the Z-1 and much of his solo sounds from.
So, while Jordan only "needed" one keyboard, it's because he is doing different sounds than Derek, who "needed" more keyboards to do specialized tasks. It's a matter of taste and choice of voices, not of talent. If Jordan is happy with the sounds out of one Kurzy, so be it. If someone else (Like Derek or myself) doens't think that the Kurzweil sounds cut it, then we get the boards that have the sounds we want. In other words, Jordan could have 8,000 Kurzweil k2600s on stage, and he still couldn't replicate the solo sound Derek got from the Trinity+Prophecy.
~Chris
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:39:57 -0600 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: slappin' the upright Message-ID: <19991122.154923.3454.1.schnapster@juno.com>
I've seen seen several good rockabilly bassists do some pretty serious slapping, and pulled it off well. I'd recommend checking s
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:49:19 -0600 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Bucktehead/Primus Message-ID: <19991122.154923.3454.3.schnapster@juno.com>
Oh yeah, I forgot about ath robot dance. That was fly. He was illin'. :) I wish Primus would've played Tommy the Cat (one of my personal faves of theirs, too), but I was very very pleased by their set. The new stuff sounded great, and the light show was nice and trippy.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:44:25 -0600 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: slappin' the upright Message-ID: <19991122.154923.3454.2.schnapster@juno.com>
Oops, I think I screwed up my last e-mail. Anyway, I'd recommend checking out some good rockabilly and some swing bassists. there's a local swing band from St. Louis (Swing Set) that has a kilelr bassist that does a good bit of slapping. An interesting side note. Last time I saw them, they did a fun cover of Alice Cooper's "Eighteen" that they threw in the middle of the old classic "Puttin' on the Ritz." Anyway, I also caught another band, The Deulxtone Rockets this past summer that just ripped it up. Their bassist just killed. Reverend Horton Heat is also worth checking out.
Dale R. Newberry
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