YTSEJAM Digest 5201
Today's Topics:
1) Question for you Unix/Linux users (NDTC)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
2) did they use spell check in the liner notes?
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
3) Notch One For Me
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
4) Re: Load/Reload Debate
by Fett2002@aol.com
5) Re: Load/Reload Debate- again
by Fett2002@aol.com
6) Re: musican jokes
by JamesAhab@aol.com
7) PMU on the radio!
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
8) Re: SFaM Instrumentals
by JamesAhab@aol.com
9) Re: SFaM Instrumentals
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
10) SfaM - possible running order
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
11) Pat Metheny, Metallicca, John Bonham
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5200
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
13) QR in New Orleans/shout out
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
14) Computer troubles
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
15) Progressive Metal CD's for sale
by Natr1stLaw@aol.com
16) Steve Vai tour dates
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
17) Re: Load/Reload Debate
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
18) Re: Shut down useless web pages (NDTC)
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
19) 97.1 (St. Louis)
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
20) Re: *looks lost*
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
21) what fits
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
22) Re: SFaM Instrumentals
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
23) synth brass sucks ass
by Chris <cdaley@gmu.edu>
24) Re: Question for you computer guys (NDTC)
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:32:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Question for you Unix/Linux users (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911202229330.55817-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I don't know exactly how many people out there on the list use Unix, but a
friend and I are both having the same problem setting up X, and would like
assistance if possible.
His problem is that he has two video cards, a Mach64 and a Voodoo3. He
would LIKE to have the Voodoo3 as his default X video card, but
Xconfigurator will only see the Mach64 as the only card. Normally, I
wouldn't find this a problem and would merely remove the Mach64 until the
correct server had been located and installed, but it's a built-in card,
so that's impossible. Is there a way to get Xconfigurator to see the
Voodoo3 without having to go in and edit text files manually?
Private email, please.
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:57:07 -0800
From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: did they use spell check in the liner notes?
Message-ID: <19991120.195707.-1639215.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
I'm not an english major by any means but i was copying the lyrics from
SFAM to a Word document and I found a "grammatical/spelling error". I'll
let you guys have a chance to figure out where it is but I'll tell ya
"it's" in Home... see if you can find it or if I am way off!!!
if i am right it seems as if you wouldn't let something like this slip
through... oh well...
ytsejon
Jonathan Willey A.T.,C.
Washington State University Athletic Medicine
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:21:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Notch One For Me
Message-ID: <19991121042103.4533.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com>
I popped in SFAM and began playing TDOE and my brother
said "Is this Dream Theater again?" He asked b/c I've
been playing the shit out of this today and DT's other
albums over the course of the past year. So anyway, I
said "yeah it is" and steeled myself, expecting him to
insult them again. He then said "Ya know, I'm
starting to kinda come around to them. They kinda
have some elements of old school Metallica (keep in
mind my brother is mostly familiar with PMU) and just
classic metal." He's not a big metalhead, so to hear
him say these things was kinda odd, but welcome
nonetheless. I guess I can add another list of new
fans for DT I've made, but I wouldn't expect him to go
out and buy any of their CDs...
=====
*Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue.
People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes.
There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead.
Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them.
So I try to forget them anyway I can."
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:13:52 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Load/Reload Debate
Message-ID: <0.d8903dbb.2568f5b0@aol.com>
>> Plus, it's kind of a rediculous analogy to compare it
> >with DT doing a "form of Norwegian accordion music" as you say. They ha=
ven't
> >changed THAT much by any stretch. It's still heavy music.
>But it's not Metallica :o)
>Andreas Skarin
>Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet
>[ http://sdts.cjb.net ] [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
Well, it IS Metallica.They can make the kind of music they want to make. Why
does a band have to be confined to what theirs fans (or anyone else for that
matter) percieve what they are. Not only doesn't that make sense but it is
also, in a way, selfish of the fans. I don't understand that why fans always
assume that the band they listen is THEIR band and should only make music
that THEY are accustomed to hearing. It's not fair thatr a band should have
to make music to fit their fans perception of what that band should be. The
fans do not decide what music a band should make. If a band would do this
then there is no real point in them going on. It's not really a creative
outlet at that point. I don't think a band should be limted by other's
perceptions of them.
-Mike
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:21:48 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Load/Reload Debate- again
Message-ID: <0.9dabe0b9.2568f78c@aol.com>
>>Yeah, but my point is that many Metallica listeners WOULD enjoy Load and
>>Reload if another artist did them. I hear people that I know say that those
>>albums suck but then mention that they like something else like Tom Petty
or
>>Phish or something. Which is fine but it's not as though these people
listen
>>only to speed metal. Plus, it's kind of a rediculous analogy to compare it
>>with DT doing a "form of Norwegian accordion music" as you say. They
haven't
>>changed THAT much by any stretch. It's still heavy music.
> > -Mike
>Just because a person liked Tom Petty or Phish does not mean they should
>like Load or Reload. Tom Petty's music has genuine mood to it, L&R just
>sound empty and hollow to me, as does the black album. That's the big
>difference between them and the earlier albums. ALL of the songs I've heard
>off both albums give me a headache. It has nothing to do with speed, or
>heaviness. I've always thought the production on the albums sounded too
>clean for their own good but one friend of mine made the point better when
>he said of both albums:
>"they sound like money."
>Palpatine
Well, while I enjoy Metallica's frist 4 or 5 albums the most, I still really
enjoy Load and Reload but I do see your point with the production. On Load,
the guitars sound kind of stale. Reload's production is better I think but
I've heard demos from both albums and they sound much fresher. I don't know
about "sounding like money" but it seems like these days many bands WAYYYYY
overproduce their albums to the point where they are kind of stale sounding.
If a song is good, just play the damn thing and leave it as is.
-Mike
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:31:49 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: musican jokes
Message-ID: <0.a7b01145.256907f5@aol.com>
Alright, I'm insulted by all these drummer jokes. How bout this guitarist
joke:
Q: Why do guitarists stand on porches all the time?
A: Because they don't know when to come in.
I probably told that wrong. What do you expect, i'm just a drummer. =]
jim
np - mullmuzzler
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:31:56 -0600
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: PMU on the radio!
Message-ID: <19991121.023156.-1830999.0.schnapster@juno.com>
Oh man, I just heard Pull Me Under on 97.1FM (KXOK) in St. Louis. I just
got back from the Primus show earlier, got into my car at a friend's
house to come home, and the beginning strains of PMU were on :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:44:06 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals
Message-ID: <0.c761cec6.25690ad6@aol.com>
>< 2) I'm going to burn a copy of the album without either of the
instrumentals, because - imo - they're both throwaway and pointless. They
don't grab the attention, and you can find the only good bits done better
elsewhere. Both 1928 and TDoE sound like a low-rent DT ripoff band. The album
works much better without them. ><
No no no. Overture 1928 serves a great purpose. It's an overture. It's an
"introduction to a musical dramatic work." Also it doesn't hurt, for my
listening pleasure at least, that I think it's one of the best instruemntals
DT's ever done. Definitely ranks up there with Eve and Hell's Kitchen. Now as
for TDoE, I coulnd't agree more. I find that piece very boring and
uneccessary. It's not acting as an introductory or as closure or as anything,
it's just "there." Doesnt fit in my opinion. But then again, I don't care for
both Ytse jam and Erotomania either, and I'm sure i'll get flamed for that.
jim
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:14:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911210412490.66450-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
> Now as for TDoE, I coulnd't agree more. I find that piece very boring
> and uneccessary. It's not acting as an introductory or as closure or
> as anything, it's just "there." Doesnt fit in my opinion. But then
> again, I don't care for both Ytse jam and Erotomania either, and I'm
> sure i'll get flamed for that.
TDoE isn't MEANT to act as an introduction nor as a closure to any
thematic material - it's a transition. And IMHO, it works perfectly -
THAT is why the little player piano thing is in there; it serves as a
fitting transition from one scene to the next in the traditional musical
method of the day - a player piano.
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:19:43 CET
From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SfaM - possible running order
Message-ID: <19991121111943.46879.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all,
I was thinking that maybe through Overture 1928 one could get the running
order, since there are bits of a lot of the songs in it. Now, I don't have
the time, but I know that some of you have and are crazy enough to do that.
Just a thought,
seb
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:38:25 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Pat Metheny, Metallicca, John Bonham
Message-ID: <3837D9B1.69BCBD81@mol.com.mk>
> From: "Wifreddy Chiang" <wchiang@tricom.net>
> Subject: Need suggestions
>
> Hi, I would like to know if any of you guys out there can help me
> decide in which PAt MEtheny's album to buy. Which one is the best
> for a new listener? thanks
Hi! So, THAT legend appears again on ytsejam! ;o)
I already said I'm really not into this guy music much, BUT, his first
albums are awesome. I have the BRIGHT SIZE LIFE, and man this one is a
must have!
Very unique guitar playing, quite impressive, BUT not rockihn'
shred-fest, it's more subtle, gentle playing.
The technique and the music on this album is really, really very
atmospheric.
It would be crazy if someone doesn;'t enjoy this kind of slower music,
because it's really good.
By saying that, I strongly reccomend you getting "Bright Size Life"!
> From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
> When I think concept album, I always think of Operation
> Mindcrime. That's a killer concept album.
For me, "The Who - Tommy" is closest to concpet album!
It is just one fantastic piece of work! Incredible nice use of repeated
patterns of music all over the album, it just flows so naturally. And
the final song just hits the roof (See me, feel me, touch me, heal me).
On the end, Pete Townsend was always great song-writer.
> Subject: Re: good/crappy drummers
> By the way, John Bonham WAS an awesome drummer too!
Another example of the stupidity bashing some musicians.
John Bonham was really great, as well as the animal Ian Paice, Keith
Moon etc ...
In their time they did their work pretty well.
<from the Metallica therad>
> It has nothing to do with speed, or heaviness.
Why it SHOULD have to do with speed or heaviness??? Is it written
somewhere that those album SHOULD sound like this and this? In the US
constitution maybe? ;) Huh!
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:04:22 EST
From: Stixntrixx@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5200
Message-ID: <0.9fbeb088.256955e6@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-11-20 22:39:23 EST, you write:
<< The synth brass
part, for example- I was very suprised to hear that many fans "dissapproved"
of that part...."Oh no- not a FUSION keyboard solo!...and wait...are those
suspended chords he's playing?.... That type of music is inappropriate for
this band on this album!!"
gimme a break. >>
I totally agree. It seems like a lot of people are jumping down Jordan's
throat for trying to bring different sounds to table (the sitar in "Home,"
the aforementioned brass sounds, the rag time bit in TDoE, etc). I personally
like the new sounds and hope there will be more off-the -wall stuff coming
from him. It keeps things fresh and exciting. It sure beats the hell out of
playing Prog-Metal Keyboard Sound #5 the whole time! I think that when some
people hear something they weren't expecting, or haven't heard before from
the band, they automatically say it "doesn't fit." The question must be asked
whether it doesn't fit with the music or with what your preconcieved notions
of what the music should be like.
Richie
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:30:53 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: QR in New Orleans/shout out
Message-ID: <19991121.083330.11662.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
hey,
anyone in New Orleans (all three of us) going to queensryche tonight. I
will be at the HOB around 6:00pm, wearing the FII infinity shhirt with
the bow-tie, Gavin Rosdale, and the breasts on the front.
Big shout out to Lisa, thanks, it awesome! I'll send you your stuff early
this week.
Kurt
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going"-Doubledrive
New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out In Stores NOW!
"I don't know how the guys in Slayer are going to live past 40"-Paul
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See Queensryche on Tour this fall! www.queensryche.com for latest dates!
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:56:04 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Computer troubles
Message-ID: <38381614.F59D42B7@isd.net>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>However, the computer problems have not ended - unfortunately, while I was
>working on this problem last night, transferring my hard drive (my
>secondary hard drive, that is) from computer to computer, it dropped onto
>the floor and is now dead.
You could send the drive off for data recovery. I doubt it would be cheap.
However, If you have three months of school work stored, It would be worth
considering.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:14:25 EST
From: Natr1stLaw@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Progressive Metal CD's for sale
Message-ID: <0.170fea36.25697461@aol.com>
Progressive Metal CD's for sale -- $7.50 each -- All CDs are in excellent
condition and played less than 5 times (for magazine reviews).
Apocalypse - s/t
Arkhe - s/t
Blind Guardian - Somewhere Far Beyond
Blind Guardian - Tales from the Twilight World
Carisma - 1825
Conception - Flow
Crises - Broken Glass
DGM - Change Direction
Divided Multitude - Inner Self
Dreamscape - Trance-Like State
Eternity X - The Edge
Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosys
Evergrey - The Dark Discovery
Ivanhoe - Symbols of Time
Kenziner - Timescape
Liverani - Viewpoint
Madsword - Evolution
Mayadome - Near Life Experience
Meshuggah - Chaosphere
Payne's Gray - Kadath Decoded
Reading Zero - The Actual
Royal Hunt - Moving Target
Royal Hunt - Paradox
Sanvoisen - Exotic Ways
Sanvoisen - Soul Seasons
Spastic Ink - Ink Complete
Symmetry - To Divinity
Tad Morose - Sender of Thoughts
Tad Morose - A Mended Rhyme
Trivial Act - Mindscape
Veni Domine - Material Sanctuary
Without Warning - Step Beyond
Zero Hour - s/t
Email natr1stlaw@aol.com if interested.
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:59:55 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Steve Vai tour dates
Message-ID: <3838250B.D7B19E6C@mol.com.mk>
Got this from his site:
04.13.00 --- Budapest, Hungary --- TBD
04.14.00 --- Ljubjana, Czech Republic --- TBD
So, Mr. Vai hope to see you in April! :)
BUT, Since when is Ljubljana i Czecho? :)
Matej, did they assimilated you? :)
Now, is it Ljubljana or is it Prague???? Anyone???
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:06:52 +0100
From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Load/Reload Debate
Message-ID: <383826AC.85E8116B@home.se>
Fett2002@aol.com wrote:
> Well, it IS Metallica.They can make the kind of music they want to make=
Why
> does a band have to be confined to what theirs fans (or anyone else for=
that
> matter) percieve what they are..............
Look here Fett, I used to worship Metallica before they turned into women=
The
only Metallica albums I own are RTL, MOP and AJFA. They are classics and=
also
extremely good. However, I don't like the music they currently play. That=
's all
I'm saying. End of story. End of thread (for me anyway).
This discussion is older than Cher, and someone should put it to rest.
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet
[ http://sdts.cjb.net ] [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:07:18 +0100
From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Shut down useless web pages (NDTC)
Message-ID: <383826C6.3741D68D@home.se>
To find what you're looking for on the Internet you have to know your way
around, and posses certain knowledge about search engines and other Inter=
net
tools. You obviously lack that knowledge and you get frustrated because o=
f it.
If you're too girly for the net, get a fucking tamagochi. Just don't writ=
e dumb
fucked e-mails to mailinglists about your inability to use the small port=
ion of
your brain that seems to be working.
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet
[ http://sdts.cjb.net ] [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
Dave Peterson wrote:
> Sorry, this has nothing to do with Dream Theater, but I just had to ran=
t to
> a forum.
>
> If you own a web-page and you don't maintain it, then GET IT OFF THE DA=
MN
> WEB!
>
> I get SOOO frustrated by the ever-increasing GLUT of neglected, non-wor=
king,
> out-of-date web pages that show up on my search engine results. It's j=
ust
> AMAZING how these things still are out there.
>
> If you have a web page up and running and feel that although it's not u=
p to
> date and all the links aren't quite working, it still serves a purpose,=
well
> you're WRONG! All it does is get in the way and keeps me from viewing =
web
> pages maintained by people THAT CARE ABOUT WHAT THE WEB PAGE IS ABOUT!!=
!
>
> Also, while you're dismantling your dusty web-page, don't forget to inf=
orm
> the search engines which cause you to appear on their search results. =
Your
> listing needs to be removed from their archives as well.
>
> If there are other things that can be said on this topic, please add. =
I
> don't own a web-page so I don't know the exact details of everything, b=
ut
> not owning a web-page is ten times better than maintaining a useless on=
e!!!
>
> Thanks for hearing my rant. Later guys!
>
> - Dr. Teeth
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:07:27 -0600
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: 97.1 (St. Louis)
Message-ID: <19991121.112245.-1585285.0.schnapster@juno.com>
Wow, I was just on the 97.1 web site. They have a link to Iron Maiden's
web site on their site. They are now my favourite radio station (they
play a lot of crap, too, but, then again, don't most stations? :).
By the way, Primus was totally killer tonight. I just happened to fall
into some good luck earlier today when If ound out a friend of mine
couldn't go so there was an extra ticket they just gave me :).
I do have one question. Could someone fill me in on Buckethead? I've
heard of him and saw him jam with Primus at Ozz Fest, but it just seemed
to me that there was some sort of gimmick I was missing in his set
opening for Primus tonight.
Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:45:41 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: *looks lost*
Message-ID: <38380595.11F730BD@siol.net>
>>John doesn't slap. I'm pretty convinced he doesn't slap anywhere on the
>>album. His right finger attack is so strong and percussive and sometimes
>>it kinda sounds like slap. He usually really digs in his bass and I
>don't know how he handles string noise, but it sure sounds good :)
>You're wrong IMHO... I'm a bass player of 12 years.. it's on there, I hear
>it.... you can't get a tone like with your fingers.
Yeah you can, and John does it alot. He hits the string hard so it
bounces
off fretboeard, and yeah, that could somehow fall in slapping area, but
he
sure doesn't do it with thumb. Sounds similar though. Johns bass has
very
narrow string spacing, which just sucks for slap.
Matej
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:41:53 -0500
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: what fits
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991121124153.0079a4c0@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
> I couldn't disagree with you more. Both instrumentals are interesting
>and powerful parts of the album from my perspective.
Agreed.
>It really doesn't
>matter what "fits" and what doesn't, but if you don't like it, thats just
>your opinion.
Agreed again.
>The botom line is that it sounds cool.
And that's YOUR opinion. I think many isolated parts of the album sound
really LAME, but the album is so good that a few lame parts don't ruin it.
In TDoE, I could do without the bit starting at about 4'45" into it and
going on for about the next thirty seconds. They're really cooking and
building up to a big finish, and then this part comes along and
meaninglessly breaks the momentum. It sounds like if DT were a wind-up
toy, and they had been wound up and playing for the maximum duration and
are just winding down. VERY anti-climactic. Maybe this is what the band
was going for, but that doesn't mean I have to agree.
And it totally DOES matter what fits and what doesn't fit in a song.
That's the difference between a concise artistic statement and just
flailing wildly.
>The synth brass
>part, for example- I was very suprised to hear that many fans "dissapproved"
>of that part...."Oh no- not a FUSION keyboard solo!
>gimme a break.
I was not surprised at all. I like neither the fusion solo nor the riff
over which it's played. The instrumental section in Beyond this Life goes
on a bit too long in my opinion. And even worse than that, it justifies my
greatest fear about Jordan Rudess joining the band: it's too derivative of
LTE. I like (for the most part) Jordan's sounds for the LTE stuff, but his
bouncy little percussive sounds just don't cut it for DT. It sounds like
LTE and then suddenly turns into DT for the buildup to the final chorus.
Of course, if that fusion solo and the surrounding parts were in an LTE
song, I probably wouldn't like it either.
Steve Z
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:05:01 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals
Message-ID: <004101bf344b$2366e280$710d84d0@safelink.net>
> TDoE isn't MEANT to act as an introduction nor as a closure to any
> thematic material - it's a transition. And IMHO, it works perfectly -
Well, I guess I'll throw my hat in the ring, even though it's apparently
non-Kosher here. :) I think TDoE is a technical wonder. I can listen >at<
it time and again and go, "How the hell do they do that shit?" But when I
listen >to< it, it seems dull, lifeless, and self-indulgent, like alot of
the LTE stuff. I mean, there's no point to it. The same thing goes with
alot of the first half of the album. I end up skipping BTL once the solo
section starts, same with Fatal Tragedy ofttimes. I will agree though,
Overture 1928 smokes, but that should be a given. It's a solidly
constructed, catchy instrumental.
I think that's why I like Awake most of all of their albums. All of the
songs tend to be short and to the point. And every damn song on that album
is fuckin' great. All of the above is IMO, anyway, like any of you in
disagreement couldn't figure that out anyway. :) But you sure as hell would
use it as ammunition if I hadn't. heheheh.
Andreas provided comic relief by belching forth:
> If you're too girly for the net, get a fucking tamagochi.
Meybe-a iff yuoo updeted yuoor oovn vebseete-a oonce-a in evheele-a, um de
hur de hur, yuoo vuooldn't get su peessy ebuoot sumeune-a telleeng yuoo tu,
bork, bork, bork!
--
KorgX3 poo poos at self-indulgent overzealousness.
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:59:55 -0500
From: Chris <cdaley@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: synth brass sucks ass
Message-ID: <38384F3B.19A895E6@gmu.edu>
It's not a question of whether it's appropriate in my opinion. In my opinion, the
synth brass (well, the whole keyboard solo section) doesn't go well with the heavy
flowing guitar in my opinion. In my opinion, the whole section sounds terrible (in my
opinion). It doesn't sound at all realistic in my opinion. It sounds like the samples
were made from a Playschool keyboard with those itty bitty keys in my opinion. If the
whole album had that crap on it, I'd return it to Tower with the rest of the SFAMs and
burn the whole lot. It's all good though. I have a fast forward button on my
discman. I don't mind experiments at all. But sometimes it just doesn't work for me
(entire FII album (in my opinion)).
Christopher.
> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:16:04 EST
> From: ToxicSheep@aol.com
>
> decide what is right and what is wrong for their songs. The synth brass
> part, for example- I was very suprised to hear that many fans "dissapproved"
> of that part...."Oh no- not a FUSION keyboard solo!...and wait...are those
> suspended chords he's playing?.... That type of music is inappropriate for
> this band on this album!!"
> gimme a break.
>
> AdaM
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:34:00 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Question for you computer guys (NDTC)
Message-ID: <38385737.4831EE4F@wezl.org>
Have you tried switching the P1 and P2 wires going from the power supply to
the motherboard? If you get those backwards, it usually causes it to do
nothing...also if your memory isn't all the way in the slot, that sometimes
causes the computer to not power up.
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> What possible reasons (BEYOND it's not plugged in and the RAM not being
> seated properly) could there be for a computer not powering on when you
> hit the button?
>
> To give some details, I've got a brand new ATX case/power supply with an
> ATX motherboard and PIII-450 processor. When I tried to run everything
> the first time, the power supply blew, apparently because the motherboard
> was bad. I sent the motherboard and power supply back to the compnay that
> I bought it from, and they replaced them. Well, when I finally got them,
> I put everything back into the case, plugged everything in, and turned it
> on. Nothing. Not so much as a power light blinking, no fans trying to
> spin up - NOTHING. This is seriously pissing me off, because I've had
> this five hundred dollar piece of equipment lying around in my room for
> THREE WEEKS and have not been able to use it ONCE. The oddest thing is
> that the closest I ever got to actually getting it to RUN was when it blew
> up on me the first time I tried to use it.
>
> I tried taking out any unnecessary stuff, like the hard drives, and I also
> tried unplugging all devices such as video/sound cards. Still nothing.
>
> I want to hear ANY reasons you can think of as to why this would not work,
> besides the obvious "Is it plugged in?" and the RAM not being seated
> properly, because I've already tried re-seating it three times.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Andrew Coutermarsh
> a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
> http://cout.dhs.org/
> Cloak on IRC
> ICQ: 2513441
> -------------------------------------------------
> The only stupid question is the one that is never
> asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about
> time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer,
> isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
> in fact, I was speeding?"
> -------------------------------------------------
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