YTSEJAM Digest 5200
Today's Topics:
1) Shut down useless web pages (NDTC)
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5198
by Dustro2@aol.com
3) Re: problems with portnoy order on hudson music
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
4) Need suggestions
by "Wifreddy Chiang" <wchiang@tricom.net>
5) Re: *looks lost*
by "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
6) bass stuff
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
7) Re: problems with portnoy order on hudson music
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
8) Bass guitars...
by "Michael G. Benoit" <michael.g.benoit@worldnet.att.net>
9) Re: My Computer Problems
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
10) Dancin' Korg
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) Re: Need suggestions
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Re: another bass-question
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
13) Re: fretless/violin
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
14) Re: *looks lost*
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
15) Re: SFaM Instrumentals
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
16) Re: SFaM Instrumentals
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
17) Yes - "Ladder"
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
18) Re: good/crappy drummers
by Fett2002@aol.com
19) Re: Playing 4/4
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
20) Re: Lars Ulrich/ Load- Reload debate
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
21) Re: Question for you computer guys (NDTC)
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
22) Re: Lars Ulrich/ Load- Reload debate
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
23) The Ladder
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
24) SFAM cover art and tray card!!!!
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:42:03 PST
From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Shut down useless web pages (NDTC)
Message-ID: <19991120174203.14752.qmail@hotmail.com>
Sorry, this has nothing to do with Dream Theater, but I just had to rant to
a forum.
If you own a web-page and you don't maintain it, then GET IT OFF THE DAMN
WEB!
I get SOOO frustrated by the ever-increasing GLUT of neglected, non-working,
out-of-date web pages that show up on my search engine results. It's just
AMAZING how these things still are out there.
If you have a web page up and running and feel that although it's not up to
date and all the links aren't quite working, it still serves a purpose, well
you're WRONG! All it does is get in the way and keeps me from viewing web
pages maintained by people THAT CARE ABOUT WHAT THE WEB PAGE IS ABOUT!!!
Also, while you're dismantling your dusty web-page, don't forget to inform
the search engines which cause you to appear on their search results. Your
listing needs to be removed from their archives as well.
If there are other things that can be said on this topic, please add. I
don't own a web-page so I don't know the exact details of everything, but
not owning a web-page is ten times better than maintaining a useless one!!!
Thanks for hearing my rant. Later guys!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:43:54 EST
From: Dustro2@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5198
Message-ID: <0.5aaf2179.256837da@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/19/99 10:45:37 PM, you wrote:
<<ey, all. I've gotta question for the bass players on the list. :)
I'm looking at getting a new 6-stringer bass for an affordable (under $1000)
price. I'm mostly looking into getting a Washburn Bantam or an Ibanez
Soundgear since that's all I know right now. The Yamaha RBX JM series looks
very appetizing, too, but it's at the top end of my budget and I've never
played a Yamaha bass and am unsure how comfortable I'd be with playing one.
Basically, I'm asking for advice on an affordable bass. :) I've seen the
Ibanez SDGR406 for $590 (Musician's friend) and a Washburn XB600TR for $549
(Musician's Swap Shop via ebay, price pending) and the Yamaha RBX6JM (this
one beckons to me fiercely) is $999 at Musician's Friend. What do I do? So
many choices! :)>>
What ever you do dont get the Ibenez!!! thy suck...they may be nice and cheap
but unless u want to play death crunch and no feel then get the Iby....look
into the yamie you might like that...it is way worth it!!! or u can buy my
Ibenez!!!! ill give it to you hahaha,
dustro
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:02:14 -0800
From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: problems with portnoy order on hudson music
Message-ID: <19991120.100854.-501135.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
The only problem I have with hudson music is that their website doesn't
do a good job of explaining to you the ACTUAL price of the video and it
doesn't clarify things like s/h, etc... I called them and assked them
all of those questions before I ordered. I think my bill was $67.90. That
would explain the 8 bucks I guess... I agree it is kind of steep for a 2
video set BUT as I'm sure you are, I am getting a signed copy by MP
himself... Thus, in my mind paying a little extra for something I love so
much didn't bother me... But yeah man, I agree with your point. They did
a crappy job of pricing and that sort of thing on their net ad. Oh
wait!!! They do have another problem!!! Their website says the video will
be shipped on the day of release which is 11/15 by their sites
description!!! They told me mine "was" sent out yesterday or today!
That's a bunch of crap!!! False advertising is not cool!!! or at least
they could change their site more often...
Well like i said it will still be a rush to get a signed copy by Mike
Portnoy especially because DT never seems to make it out where I am!!!
ytsejon
On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 06:35:04 -0800 (PST) Carlos Andres Alfaro
<calfaro@yunque.net> writes:
>
> Ok i sent them a money order about a week ago to pre-order the
> 2video set, even printed out the page where the add is. Now the ad
> specifically said that it included priority shipping when it would
> be
> released. Now they email me saying i have to send them an extra
> 8bucks
> for shipping and handling , im asuming it is because i live in
> puerto
> rico. Now, i replied to them, explaining that EVERY store that
> either
> does business on the internet, or thru mail order catalogues has
> Puerto
> Rico's s/h's charges on the same level as if it would be continental
> us,
> that being around 2bucks for cds and that type of media. Plus, i
> pointed out to them that the offer did not exclude PR as part of the
> continental US, therefore they have to give me the offer as it was
> presented. I also pointed out that their price was almost 20 bucks
> more
> than the price of cdnow for those tapes. Have any of you encountered
> problems with hudson music? I will wait for an answer.. any help on
> getting my things the way they were offered will be appreciated. I
> mean
> i already paid a much inflated price for the tapes, because i wanted
> them here by release date like they promised , now they want me to
> make
> another money order for 8 bucks to cover shipping that was already
> covered in their so-called offer?!
> damn
>
>
> --
>
> Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back.
> Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind.
> Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc.
> mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
>
>
Jonathan Willey A.T.,C.
Washington State University Athletic Medicine
600 SE Appalousa Ct. 620
Pullman, WA 99163
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:27:21 -0500
From: "Wifreddy Chiang" <wchiang@tricom.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Need suggestions
Message-ID: <NDBBJIOLOCANEMPGCOJJEEFACAAA.wchiang@tricom.net>
Hi, I would like to know if any of you guys out there can help me decide in
which PAt MEtheny's album to buy.
Which one is the best for a new listener?
thanks
Wifreddy Chiang
wchiang@tricom.net <mailto:wchiang@tricom.net>
<http://www.angelfire.com/on/maddito>
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:30:38 GMT
From: "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: *looks lost*
Message-ID: <19991120183039.27814.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey Jammers....
Matej wrote:
>John doesn't slap. I'm pretty convinced he doesn't slap anywhere on the
>album. His right finger attack is so strong and percussive and sometimes
>it kinda sounds like slap. He usually really digs in his bass and I
>don't
>know how he handles string noise, but it sure sounds good :)
>
You're wrong IMHO... I'm a bass player of 12 years.. it's on there, I hear
it.... you can't get a tone like with your fingers.
RHCP,
>Larry
>Graham, Victor Wooten... and the list goes on and on...Or get a video
>that Alexis Sklarevski put out (Slap Bass Technique or something).
>rules..
>Self-schooling is the best! :)
Yes... I agree Self-schooling is the best but you have to have some
discipline to take it anywhere. And let's not forget Stu Hamm. He's
out-funked alot of players that I know of.
poj
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:59:28 -0700 (MST)
From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: bass stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991120115255.22252B-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
A few bass recommendations....
I've been playing a Carvin 5-string for 6 years now, and I have nothing
but positive things to say about it. Very high-quality for affordable
prices, in that they sell direct and cut out middle-man mark-ups.
Concerning slap info, if you can find it, Tony Oppenheim's "Slap It!" book
is really fantastic. Has a wealth of exercises, and it comes with the
music on, well, SOME format. I got it with records, believe it or not,
but I'm pretty sure it was updated to cassette at some point.
And lastly, the question of whether a bass needs frets or not brought back
a great memory of a concert about four years ago, the Rite of Strings show
with Al DiMeola, Stanley Clarke, and Jean-Luc Ponty. (They released a
fantastic CD to accompany the tour as well, by the way... high
recommendations.) Anyhow, during the show, Stanley took an extended SLAP
solo on the UPRIGHT. On the upright! Much amazement in the audience at
the show, trust me.
--mt
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:23:01 -0500
From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: problems with portnoy order on hudson music
Message-ID: <38370325.9AA78B28@yunque.net>
Jonathan D Willey wrote:
> The only problem I have with hudson music is that their website doesn't
> do a good job of explaining to you the ACTUAL price of the video and it
> doesn't clarify things like s/h, etc...
Well i dont know when you ordered, but when I did, the page specified that
the price was including the fact that it was going to be autographed, and
specifically said that it included priority shipping at no extra cost. I
printed the page and sent it with my order. Now since the offer was only
before the release date, the page has changed.
--Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:31:11 -0500 From: "Michael G. Benoit" <michael.g.benoit@worldnet.att.net> To: "ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Bass guitars... Message-ID: <3836F6FF.59EF4DE2@worldnet.att.net>
If you're looking into getting a six-string, I would definitely suggest Carvin. For $800-900, you can get a custom bass that looks, sounds, and plays awesome. You should certainly check them out. Their basses are really sweet.
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:06:58 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: My Computer Problems Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911201604170.38823-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I want to thank all the people who sent mail to me regarding my computer problems. However, the winner of the "Let's fix Andrew's computer problem" contest is Al! He pointed out to me that, because of my inherent stupidity, I had grounded the board to the case in a few, umm, not-so-choice areas - like all the solder points. Idiot that I am, I had forgotten to keep the board away from the metal of the case.
However, the computer problems have not ended - unfortunately, while I was working on this problem last night, transferring my hard drive (my secondary hard drive, that is) from computer to computer, it dropped onto the floor and is now dead.
A moment of silence for all that data that has died.
I hope there's some way for me to retrieve my data - at least the drive is still under warranty. I can't believe that this is happening to me.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "Friends are people who'll help you move. REAL friends are people who'll help you move BODIES." -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:28:18 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dancin' Korg Message-ID: <3836CC22.257BAF8C@mol.com.mk>
> From: Scarred2112@aol.com > > ..so, Korg...can I buy you a drink? :P
Wait a minute, I've got it, you're an Italian! You're Jewish? Love your nails! Your place or mine?
:)
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:20:14 -0500 From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Need suggestions Message-ID: <000901bf339d$0a42df60$47ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> > Hi, I would like to know if any of you guys out there can help me decide in > which PAt MEtheny's album to buy. > Which one is the best for a new listener?
Hmm... tough question... all of his stuff is so good...
Here are some general considerations about each of my favorite Metheny albums:
First Circle: Essential. The title track is one of those tunes I NEVER get sick of. Very gorgeous ballads on this one.
We Live Here: A good first disc; very approachable to a non-veteran. More upbeat than other albums taken as a whole, with some nice, even grooves.
Still-life (Talking): Best album. Period. Minuano 6/8 has been my favorite Metheny tune since I first heard it. Shivers galore.
In truth, I'm not sure which to recommend; I love them ALL so much. My advice is to go to CDNow, do a search for "Pat Metheny Group" and listen to the track samples from these albums.
Hope this helps, Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu ICQ: 22473371 AOL IM: Mortua IRC: Mortua
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:47:43 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> Subject: Re: another bass-question Message-ID: <B45C8116.4A0C%marc@merespass.net>
> since we're talking about bass-guitars. I have another question. > I really like the sound of fretless bass-guitars, and I would like to > learn to play one. > But is it better to start playing bass on a normal, fretted bass or > could you start with a fretless?
I would tend to agree that you should start on a fretted bass if you don't play bass or guitar already. If you do play an instrument and you're willing to put the extra effort, then go for the fretless. The reason I say that is that bass guitar is a really stupid instrument. It's not a guitar and it's not a bass (as existed before bass guitar). Double-bass has a much shorter distance from the nut to the body so you can really feel your position. You also use different fingering. Bass guitarists are usually encouraged to adopt guitar style fingering which is often just too much of a stretch for the lower positions (at least, on a regular basis). So the instrument doesn't lend itself to being played fretless. Once you've learned to play the instrument and worked around its idiosyncrasies, it's much easier to play without frets.
As Korg said, it's not impossible. It's just that the instrument wasn't designed to be fretless and it doesn't lend itself to easy learning. It's hard enough to learn to read music or just play without always staring at the neck. When you don't have frets, it's that much harder.
Good luck --Marc R
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:57:44 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: fretless/violin Message-ID: <B45C821B.4A0C%marc@merespass.net>
>> Sucky thing is that violins are tuned in 5ths, bass is >> tuned in 4ths, and guitar is just wierd :) so that >> those of us who play violin will NEVER (well me >> anyway) be able to play bass or guitar! Piss me off! > > > Oh? I've played cello for 12,5 years now and started bass about a year ago.. > No problem for me =)
Ron Carter - certainly one of the best jazz bass players ever :) - has a degree in cello. He's a fabulous bassist too. At least, I did his playing.
--Marc R
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:57:44 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: *looks lost* Message-ID: <B45C8344.4A0E%marc@merespass.net>
> There's not much to figure out. Grab a note with left hand and hit it with > your right hand thumb somewhere where the fretboard starts. But to get more > into it, I would definately suggest some funk listening. RHCP, Larry Graham, > Victor Wooten... and the list goes on and on...Or get a video that Alexis > Sklarevski put out (Slap Bass Technique or something). rules..
> Self-schooling is the best! :)
:(. I find "teaching yourself" to be an oxymoron. Sorry if this is semantics but I like "learning on your own." Videos are awesome. Definitely get them. But I find that there's nothing like real lessons with a real person. No matter what you're doing. Watch that Alexis tape and watch and listen to some people play and give it a try. Then come in for your lesson and talk to your teacher about it. Hopefully, he doesn't suck and he can give you some pointers on what your doing and talk about why Flea sounds so great with such lousy technique and the pros and cons of it all.
--Marc R
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:16:04 EST From: ToxicSheep@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals Message-ID: <0.d88f3580.256877a4@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/20/99 11:15:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< OK, I've now listened to the whole album to the pint where I'd be sick of anything else, and can thus deliver my conclusions. 1) The synth-brass bits suck, and don't fit 2) I'm going to burn a copy of the album without either of the instrumentals, because - imo - they're both throwaway and pointless. They don't grab the attention, and you can find the only good bits done better elsewhere. Both 1928 and TDoE sound like a low-rent DT ripoff band. The album works much better without them. 3) The player piano part DOESN'T fit in. If you disagree: tough. It just doesn't. This is because the player piano part is ace, and yet TDoE is, in every other respect, boring. >>
I couldn't disagree with you more. Both instrumentals are interesting and powerful parts of the album from my perspective. It really doesn't matter what "fits" and what doesn't, but if you don't like it, thats just your opinion. The botom line is that it sounds cool. Sure, you need to keep things in a certain context within a band, especially a concept album, but c'mon. I'm sure that DT is sitting back and laughing at the way people decide what is right and what is wrong for their songs. The synth brass part, for example- I was very suprised to hear that many fans "dissapproved" of that part...."Oh no- not a FUSION keyboard solo!...and wait...are those suspended chords he's playing?.... That type of music is inappropriate for this band on this album!!" gimme a break.
AdaM
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:24:58 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: SFaM Instrumentals Message-ID: <B45C89E9.4A0F%marc@merespass.net>
> OK, I've now listened to the whole album to the pint where I'd be sick of > anything else, and can thus deliver my conclusions. > 1) The synth-brass bits suck, and don't fit
Oh no. Not only is what he's playing cool but the sound just adds to it. As long as you're talking about the bit in Beyond This Life.
> 2) I'm going to burn a copy of the album without either of the > instrumentals, because - imo - they're both throwaway and pointless. They > don't grab the attention, and you can find the only good bits done better > elsewhere. Both 1928 and TDoE sound like a low-rent DT ripoff band. The > album works much better without them.
Hmmm. Overture 1928 is an overture! It's supposed to contain parts of other songs. That's what overtures do. Listen to Rush's 2112 and the overture on that. It totally fits.
TDoE is just very cool. Sounds like pieces of Metropolis pt 1. It so works.
> 3) The player piano part DOESN'T fit in. If you disagree: tough. It just > doesn't. This is because the player piano part is ace, and yet TDoE is, in > every other respect, boring.
OK, the player piano thing is weird and I'm not sure it fits. But the piece is nice and definitely not boring.
> 4) There's a lot of places where it doesn't flow smoothly; that's a > comment that's been bandied around a lot, and it's true.
Maybe I haven't listened to it enough.
> 5) Don't even get me started on the concept.
Oh, that. This is supposed to be a concept album, isn't it? Although I get it when I read along with the lyrics, the album doesn't flow well as a concept album. It's a great album. It's almost all I've listened to since I got it. I really love it. But not as a concept album. When I think concept album, I always think of Operation Mindcrime. That's a killer concept album. It totally makes sense and flows and works as a connected whole piece. I feel like SFaM works fine but it doesn't fit together in the concept sense, just in the album sense.
> 6) If they don't play FF on the tour, I'm going home disappointed. This is, > again imo, one of their finest moments thusfar.
I just love Beyond This Life. I love this album. I think it's great. Lot of interesting stuff. I just found out that there are keyboard parts that are kind of buried, like around 8:20 (the synth brass) of Beyond This Life. I'm going to listen more carefully to see what else is happening that isn't as easy to hear.
--Marc R
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:31:52 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Yes - "Ladder" Message-ID: <38372158.6694B762@mol.com.mk>
OK, I heard rumours this was VERY good album! Any old Yes fan here? IMO, the previous album "Open your eyes" was nothing special, except maybe the 1-st track. I wanna hear opinion on "Ladder" from a true Yes fan who says that "Open your eyes" sucks and who (naturally) considers true Yes work to be the Fragile, Close to the edge, Relayer, Drama ... era!:)
I just wanna avoid average listener comment "WOW, GREAT ALBUM". Thanx.
P.S. Errr, also ... any good old "Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young" fan??? I just saw yesterday they have new album! What the hell ...? I doubt it can be any good, 'cause although the old CSNY are GODS, some of the best 60/70s music I heard, ... I don't think now they have their voices as it was back then + the music can't be that good as it was. Compared to the legendary Deja Vu and the 1-st album, any reviews? Private post will do just fine.
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:49:06 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: good/crappy drummers Message-ID: <0.8764c6ea.25687f62@aol.com>
>Hey Jam!
>With all of this discussion going on about Lars Ulrich being >a good drummer or not. Don't always judge people by what you >hear of them. >For example, my Drum Teacher is a wizard behind the set. I >have heard him perform with his "fun" band and he played a >song with 2 sticks in each hand, every stick, as well as every >foot on the base drum, playing an individual pattern. The man >is incredible, however he spends most of his life with playing >stupid 4/4 signatures in pop music because it's his job...he >has to earn his money somehow.
>Most musicians in popular music (i.e. the ones you don't even >know the name of most of the time - can anyone name the drummer >in Whitney Houstons Band? Thought so.) can do much better than >what you hear of them, because the majority has studied their >instrument, so I wouldn't call them crappy.
>This is what Mike Portnoy once said: >>The Band of the moment is actually Radiohead, a team of average >musicians, who actually write wonderful songs. Especially the drummer >of the band is quite limited, but I really don't care about that. >Not all music needs an overstock of technique. And that's good. >I don't get a kick from that. My all-time favorite group is The >Beatles, with whom my parents made me familiar with. Thanks to >Ringo Starr, I started drumming. Although he too is quite limited, >he is still an idol - as a person and as a musician. The most >important drummers of my life are actually John Bonham of Led >Zeppelin and Keith Moon of The Who. <<
>Just my 2 Euros.
>Alex
Alex, Great points you made here! You and MIke. Just because a guy isn't playing incredible complesx stuff at the moment doesn't mean he isn't a great musician. And there is more to music then just technique. Having limited playing ability (whehter by design or just lack of the ability) doesn't mean that a person or group can't write great songs. By the way, John Bonham WAS an awesome drummer too! -Mike
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:41:11 +0100 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Playing 4/4 Message-ID: <38373FA7.97B72706@home.se>
Paul Weiss wrote:
> It depends on the feel. Swing/funk/disco/rock are all different. In > straight rock, the typical manner is to have the snare emphasize the > backbeat (2&4), the hihat playing sixteenths or eighths and the bass > kicking on 1 and possibly 3 depending on the speed of the tune.
Don't get me wrong, I know my share of patterns. I just wanted to know if one counts the top number in a signatrue with the Hi-Hat. I'm not a total newbie :o)
Cheers!
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet [ http://sdts.cjb.net ] [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:40:59 +0100 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Lars Ulrich/ Load- Reload debate Message-ID: <38373F9B.282F366F@home.se>
Fett2002@aol.com wrote:
> Plus, it's kind of a rediculous analogy to compare it > with DT doing a "form of Norwegian accordion music" as you say. They ha= ven't > changed THAT much by any stretch. It's still heavy music.
But it's not Metallica :o)
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet [ http://sdts.cjb.net ] [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:41:31 +0100 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Question for you computer guys (NDTC) Message-ID: <38373FBB.25CE9969@home.se>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> The oddest thing is > that the closest I ever got to actually getting it to RUN was when it b= lew > up on me the first time I tried to use it.
That's what you get for buying a computer for $500 ;o)) Maybe you should consider turning it in to a professional?
Botten upp!
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet [ http://sdts.cjb.net ] [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:11:00 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Lars Ulrich/ Load- Reload debate Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991121011100.015f1970@pi-r-squared.com>
> >Yeah, but my point is that many Metallica listeners WOULD enjoy Load and >Reload if another artist did them. I hear people that I know say that those >albums suck but then mention that they like something else like Tom Petty or >Phish or something. Which is fine but it's not as though these people listen >only to speed metal. Plus, it's kind of a rediculous analogy to compare it >with DT doing a "form of Norwegian accordion music" as you say. They haven't >changed THAT much by any stretch. It's still heavy music. > -Mike
Just because a person liked Tom Petty or Phish does not mean they should like Load or Reload. Tom Petty's music has genuine mood to it, L&R just sound empty and hollow to me, as does the black album. That's the big difference between them and the earlier albums. ALL of the songs I've heard off both albums give me a headache. It has nothing to do with speed, or heaviness. I've always thought the production on the albums sounded too clean for their own good but one friend of mine made the point better when he said of both albums:
"they sound like money."
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:32:14 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Ladder Message-ID: <383759AE.7842D624@isd.net>
Simon Dodd wrote: >Simon is on his period, and is thus ratty >NP: YES, "The Ladder"
I'm curious... What's The Ladder like? I've been planning to pick that one up, I just haven't done it yet :( I've been a Yes fan since the early 70s. I wasn't very thrilled with them during the 80s, but their last few efforts have been old school Yes, and I like that!
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:31:41 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM cover art and tray card!!!! Message-ID: <19991120.193142.-1575611.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
Hey folks, i have a big question!!! i don't have a scanner yet and i am really in need of the tray card/J-card for a friend who doesn't have the CD to see... Is there a place on the web or can someone email me a scanned copy of the back of the CD. ya know, the pic of the house and the track list and all... and if someone has a good pic of the cover art that would be great also!!!! BUT PLEASE, if you send me an attatchment do it through jdwilley@wsu.edu . I can't recieve attatchments at juno... thanks
let me know through the list or privately...
also, I have typed all of the lyrics, exactly as they appear in the liner notes, in a Word document if anyone wants a copy!
thanks ytsejon
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