YTSEJAM Digest 5199
Today's Topics:
1) musican jokes
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
2) Korg's New Bass?
by Scarred2112@aol.com
3) Re: Blackened Time Sigs
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
4) Re: New Opeth, and other stuff
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
5) fretless/violin
by Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
6) "E-commerce will increase 40 times by 2003!
by <Hiawassee@DrCrusher.com>
7) Re: Bass guitars...
by Greg Habetler <ghabetle@yahoo.com>
8) Re: Bass guitars...
by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi>
9) Re: fretless/violin
by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi>
10) Suks/Kicks Ass
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
11) Re: fretless/violin
by Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
12) Fretted vs Fretless Bass
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
13) Good/Crappy Drummers
by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
14) Re: *looks lost*
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
15) Re: Bass guitars...
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
16) SFaM Instrumentals
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
17) ah, musical jokes..
by WAxlRose01@aol.com
18) problems with portnoy order on hudson music
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
19) Re: Bass guitars...
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:40:05 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: musican jokes
Message-ID: <B45B81D2.493A%marc@merespass.net>
>> Q. What do you call someone who hangs out with musicians (not as defined
>> copyright Korg X3 Esq.)
>>
>> A. A drummer.
>
> did you hear about the bassist who locked his keys in the car? it took 2
> hours to get the drummer out.
OK. There's a page of musician jokes (mostly drummer jokes) that's the first
link on my home page (http://www.merespass.net/). I wasn't going to say
anything but after two drummer jokes, I figured I'd post them.
--Marc R
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:57:08 EST
From: Scarred2112@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Korg's New Bass?
Message-ID: <0.474d609b.25677614@aol.com>
(I'm looking at getting a new 6-stringer bass for an affordable (under $1000)
price. I'm mostly looking into getting a Washburn Bantam or an Ibanez
Soundgear since that's all I know right now. The Yamaha RBX JM series looks
very appetizing, too, but it's at the top end of my budget and I've never
played a Yamaha bass and am unsure how comfortable I'd be with playing one.
Basically, I'm asking for advice on an affordable bass. :) I've seen the
Ibanez SDGR406 for $590 (Musician's friend) and a Washburn XB600TR for $549
(Musician's Swap Shop via ebay, price pending) and the Yamaha RBX6JM (this
one beckons to me fiercely) is $999 at Musician's Friend. What do I do? So
many choices! :)
-- KorgX3 would buy all three if he could. hehehehe.)Korg, check out some used shops in your area, if possible. I got an Ibanez SRGD1206 (neck-thru, great body woods, killer active electronics) that SMOKES the 406 for $799 w/ case. One thing though, IB's have WIDE necks, so play one first before you buy. That's the reason I'm saving for a JM, the tighter string spacing. Also, Peavey's "Cirrus" line is supposedly very good, in both quality and price. Maybe look into that?
scarred2112 [They closed Wolf's Deli?]
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:53:11 -0200 From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Blackened Time Sigs Message-ID: <19991120005311.A7242@iname.com>
On Nov 19 1999, Neil Evans wrote: > > >Yes, there are many time sig changes in "Blackned". > > Yup, we had this discussion a ways back - maybe about two years ago.
Perhaps you've got a short memory, but it was me who posted the initial message on the thread asking about the time sig changes. :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 02:09:04 -0200 From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: New Opeth, and other stuff Message-ID: <19991119020904.B1104@iname.com>
On Nov 18 1999, MTeiper@aol.com wrote: > I didn't even know there was a new Opeth, so I checked out CDNow. > It's only got "Still Life" listed as an import. Anyone know if it's > being released domestically in the US? Roger? :-)
You know, I was just skimming the 'jams and the endless fights as I saw the names "MTeiper" and "Opeth" together. So I thought: "I'd better answer to this one." :-)
Well, actually the new album was released in October, two weeks before the new Dream Theater got released.
Since Opeth has completed their contracts with Candlelight Records (their European label), they have signed with Peaceville Records. Century Media (their US label) still haven't released "Still Life" in the US (I would say "domestically", but then I remembered that I'm still not in the US :-) ).
Anyway, people on the Nectar Mailing List (the list for discussions about Opeth, which I maintain) have been placing their orders and CD Now seems to have got them very upset for putting the album in back order.
On the other hand, European and Australian seem to have the new album by now and I have not yet read any negative reviews of the new album (much on the contrary: all of them seem to be pretty excited about "Still Life").
But (and this is a big catch) I have not yet heard the new album (aside from the few samples I got from the web). And *of course* I don't have the new album. I was planning on importing it from the US... I wouldn't expect it getting here in the end of the world anytime soon. :-(
The band has a web page on <www.opeth.com>.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:37:48 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: fretless/violin Message-ID: <19991120043748.8236.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com>
> But, saying that starting on a fretless bass is impossible would also say that playing a violin is impossible, which it still is, for me. :P<
Sucky thing is that violins are tuned in 5ths, bass is tuned in 4ths, and guitar is just wierd :) so that those of us who play violin will NEVER (well me anyway) be able to play bass or guitar! Piss me off! -Dan NP: Victor Wooten - Me An' My Bass Guitar
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Habetler <ghabetle@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Bass guitars... Message-ID: <19991120060258.7467.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com>
If *I* were going to buy a six string bass, I'd take a serious look at the Carvin LB76. The base price is $819 which is actually pretty cheap for an American-made instrument. Despite the hassle of having to wait up to six weeks for them to be built, I've always found Carvin's instruments to be of superlative quality.
-Greg (who's been playing Tribes as "|BMF| Ytsejam" for close to a year now and only had one person comment on the name)
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:15:55 +0200 From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Bass guitars... Message-ID: <003e01bf331e$feb6ede0$3263ec3e@pentium>
Hi there. You were buying a bass. I bought myself a Washburn Bantam XB-50= 0 (5-stringer) about two months ago and have been quite pleased with it.. I also tried some Ibanezs and Yamahas but didn't like them that much. I haven't had the chance to try the XB-600 anywhere but I think that it can= 't be much worse than the XB-500 =3D)
So, go out, try all of them (if possible) and then decide.. =3D)
-WT-
NP: Metropolis Pt. I - DT in K=F6ln August 1999
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:21:20 +0200 From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: fretless/violin Message-ID: <005701bf331f$7905f6e0$3263ec3e@pentium>
]From: Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
>Sucky thing is that violins are tuned in 5ths, bass is >tuned in 4ths, and guitar is just wierd :) so that >those of us who play violin will NEVER (well me >anyway) be able to play bass or guitar! Piss me off!
Oh? I've played cello for 12,5 years now and started bass about a year ago.. No problem for me =)
-WT-
PS. How do you know if the stage is level? -The bassist drools from both sides of his mouth
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 01:17:31 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Suks/Kicks Ass Message-ID: <19991120.013632.10814.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
hey all, I FINALLY got an Awake flag for 30 dollars today from ebay. the art on it is so sweet. I also got a silver copy (one of the originals I hope) of the Lost Paris tapes. the description said authentic, and silver no CDr so we shall see. its comin from Belgium so you never know.
The thing that suks ass it that I lost every freakin email I had in my inbox, including my queensryche backstage info, plans to meet with people etc etc. that suks major ass. but I got an Awake flag!
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:49:40 +0100 From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fretless/violin Message-ID: <38367CC4.B440EE18@cable.a2000.nl>
> Sucky thing is that violins are tuned in 5ths, bass is > tuned in 4ths, and guitar is just wierd :) so that > those of us who play violin will NEVER (well me > anyway) be able to play bass or guitar! Piss me off! Didn't John Myung play violin, before he picked up the bass? I guess there's still hope for you ;-)
Marc
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:56:49 +1100 From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Fretted vs Fretless Bass Message-ID: <002501bf334e$5507bf60$470f000a@rainerpa>
I'd start on a fretted. It's hard to consistenly play in tune on a fretless unless you know the neck of your particular instrument you have very well. If you have a lined fingerboard you'll notice that you that as you move up and down on the neck the lines aren't consistent with where you need place your finger to achive the desired note. But the fretless is great for getting your ears in tune.
Rainer
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:00:13 +0100 From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Good/Crappy Drummers Message-ID: <m11p9Bd-0003SYC@fwd10.btx.dtag.de>
Hey Jam!
With all of this discussion going on about Lars Ulrich being a good drummer or not. Don't always judge people by what you hear of them. For example, my Drum Teacher is a wizard behind the set. I have heard him perform with his "fun" band and he played a song with 2 sticks in each hand, every stick, as well as every foot on the base drum, playing an individual pattern. The man is incredible, however he spends most of his life with playing stupid 4/4 signatures in pop music because it's his job...he has to earn his money somehow.
Most musicians in popular music (i.e. the ones you don't even know the name of most of the time - can anyone name the drummer in Whitney Houstons Band? Thought so.) can do much better than what you hear of them, because the majority has studied their instrument, so I wouldn't call them crappy.
This is what Mike Portnoy once said: >>The Band of the moment is actually Radiohead, a team of average musicians, who actually write wonderful songs. Especially the drummer of the band is quite limited, but I really don't care about that. Not all music needs an overstock of technique. And that's good. I don't get a kick from that. My all-time favorite group is The Beatles, with whom my parents made me familiar with. Thanks to Ringo Starr, I started drumming. Although he too is quite limited, he is still an idol - as a person and as a musician. The most important drummers of my life are actually John Bonham of Led Zeppelin and Keith Moon of The Who. <<
Just my 2 Euros.
Alex
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:58:47 +0100 From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: *looks lost* Message-ID: <38369B07.33052904@siol.net>
>Is it me or are there two bass parts in "Through Her Eyes" ? I swear I hear >JM doing these nifty fretless noodlings combined with slap bass. Can you >slap bass on a fretless? I always thought slap bass required frets to slap >against.
John doesn't slap. I'm pretty convinced he doesn't slap anywhere on the album. His right finger attack is so strong and percussive and sometimes it kinda sounds like slap. He usually really digs in his bass and I don't know how he handles string noise, but it sure sounds good :)
>Pardon my ignorance. :) I've played bass (fretted and fretless both) for >quite awhile, but have never figured out how to play slap. Kinda like how I >played guitar for two years before I knew how to play a harmonic or even a >string bend. hehehe. Self-schooling isn't always good. :P
There's not much to figure out. Grab a note with left hand and hit it with your right hand thumb somewhere where the fretboard starts. But to get more into it, I would definately suggest some funk listening. RHCP, Larry Graham, Victor Wooten... and the list goes on and on...Or get a video that Alexis Sklarevski put out (Slap Bass Technique or something). rules.. Self-schooling is the best! :)
>If it is all done on one fretless, it renews my admiration of JM's playing >even more. Jeez. He is a bass God.
We musicians are like old greeks or pagans in this regards. We have many gods :) I have like 30 guitar gods and 10 bass gods, 2 or 3 drum gods, a few keyboard gods and a couple of singers....etc. Dream Theater is definately the best ... 5 gods! :)
Matej
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:10:20 +0100 From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Bass guitars... Message-ID: <38369DBC.8FD3C967@siol.net>
>I'm looking at getting a new 6-stringer bass for an affordable (under $1000) >price. I'm mostly looking into getting a Washburn Bantam or an Ibanez >Soundgear since that's all I know right now. The Yamaha RBX JM series looks >very appetizing, too, but it's at the top end of my budget and I've never >played a Yamaha bass and am unsure how comfortable I'd be with playing one.
Well.. it's the more money the better the music. Do NOT buy shitty gear, it's the money thrown away and you won't have any satisfaction playing it. Stay away from Washburn, Ibanez is OK, but nothing spectacular. But Yamaha on the other hands makes some very good bass gear. I'm proud owner of Yamaha TRB-6II and I can't recommend it enough. It's much better than RBX in every regard, even the JM axe (gasp!), which is very apealing though. I would recommend you to save up some more money and get yourself a real bass.
>Basically, I'm asking for advice on an affordable bass. :) I've seen the >Ibanez SDGR406 for $590 (Musician's friend) and a Washburn XB600TR for $549 >(Musician's Swap Shop via ebay, price pending) and the Yamaha RBX6JM (this >one beckons to me fiercely) is $999 at Musician's Friend. What do I do? So >many choices! :)
How much is Yamaha TRB-6? I gave 1200$ for it and never regreted a dime. If these three are your only choices, I would say get the RBX6JM, although I usually stay away from 'signature' gear. The only signature axe that gives what promises is Eric Clapton stratocaster. That's a fine sounding guitar.
>KorgX3 would buy all three if he could. hehehehe.
Oh I can feel G.A.S. attacking you :) Once it gets you, you'r lost :)
Matej A permanent victim of G.A.S. :)
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:16:30 GMT From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFaM Instrumentals Message-ID: <19991120131630.4423.qmail@hotmail.com>
OK, I've now listened to the whole album to the pint where I'd be sick of anything else, and can thus deliver my conclusions. 1) The synth-brass bits suck, and don't fit 2) I'm going to burn a copy of the album without either of the instrumentals, because - imo - they're both throwaway and pointless. They don't grab the attention, and you can find the only good bits done better elsewhere. Both 1928 and TDoE sound like a low-rent DT ripoff band. The album works much better without them. 3) The player piano part DOESN'T fit in. If you disagree: tough. It just doesn't. This is because the player piano part is ace, and yet TDoE is, in every other respect, boring. 4) There's a lot of places where it doesn't flow smoothly; that's a comment that's been bandied around a lot, and it's true. 5) Don't even get me started on the concept. 6) If they don't play FF on the tour, I'm going home disappointed. This is, again imo, one of their finest moments thusfar.
Simon is on his period, and is thus ratty NP: YES, "The Ladder"
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:11:35 EST From: WAxlRose01@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ah, musical jokes.. Message-ID: <0.24bd1f7d.25680617@aol.com>
Whatd the drummer get on his IQ test?
Drool.
How do you know a female vocalist is at your door?
She can't find her key and she doesn't know when to come in.
What do you call a guy who hangs out with musicians 24/7?
A drummer.
How many band frontmen does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
One. He just holds it and the world revolves around him.
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:23:32 -0500 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: problems with portnoy order on hudson music Message-ID: <3836BCF4.96F4D83F@yunque.net>
Ok i sent them a money order about a week ago to pre-order the 2video set, even printed out the page where the add is. Now the ad specifically said that it included priority shipping when it would be released. Now they email me saying i have to send them an extra 8bucks for shipping and handling , im asuming it is because i live in puerto rico. Now, i replied to them, explaining that EVERY store that either does business on the internet, or thru mail order catalogues has Puerto Rico's s/h's charges on the same level as if it would be continental us, that being around 2bucks for cds and that type of media. Plus, i pointed out to them that the offer did not exclude PR as part of the continental US, therefore they have to give me the offer as it was presented. I also pointed out that their price was almost 20 bucks more than the price of cdnow for those tapes. Have any of you encountered problems with hudson music? I will wait for an answer.. any help on getting my things the way they were offered will be appreciated. I mean i already paid a much inflated price for the tapes, because i wanted them here by release date like they promised , now they want me to make another money order for 8 bucks to cover shipping that was already covered in their so-called offer?! damn
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Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:00:14 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, <korgx3@safelink.net> Subject: Re: Bass guitars... Message-ID: <B45C2F91.4942%marc@merespass.net>
Hi Korg,
I've been using a Carvin http://www.carvin.com 5 string for a few years. I really love it. It has everything I wanted in a five string at a price that can't be beat. It's a very high quality bass. They have six strings too which start at under $850. This may work http://www.carvin.com/cgi-bin/ICatalog.exe?PROTOTYPE=gdetail&Config=2&Search Str=(I.ItemNumber='LB76')+AND+(CID2='BGTR')
I can highly recommend a Carvin. You have to mail order (unless you live near Carvin) but they give a 10 day MBG.
Good luck --Marc R
> Hey, all. I've gotta question for the bass players on the list. :) > > I'm looking at getting a new 6-stringer bass for an affordable (under $1000) > price. I'm mostly looking into getting a Washburn Bantam or an Ibanez > Soundgear since that's all I know right now. The Yamaha RBX JM series looks > very appetizing, too, but it's at the top end of my budget and I've never > played a Yamaha bass and am unsure how comfortable I'd be with playing one. > > Basically, I'm asking for advice on an affordable bass. :) I've seen the > Ibanez SDGR406 for $590 (Musician's friend) and a Washburn XB600TR for $549 > (Musician's Swap Shop via ebay, price pending) and the Yamaha RBX6JM (this > one beckons to me fiercely) is $999 at Musician's Friend. What do I do? So > many choices! :)
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