YTSEJAM Digest 5195
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5192
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
2) Re: Time signatures explained
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
3) musicians
by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
4) The universe is chaos!!!!
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
5) Prog Snobs
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
6) If you know of ANY DT FTP Sites?, Please Read
by CLIFFBUR10@aol.com
7) Re: Staccato alone doth not a musician make.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) vocal debate (was classical covers)
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
9) Keyboard players (was To Stevie Z and the rest of the "Music
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
10) Re: Time signatures explained
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
11) The pumpkins/floyd/help with pettruci guitar bit
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
12) Re: top 5 cool albums on my playlist
by Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5194
by "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu>
14) Re: Time signatures explained
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) TSO live / Repeated Thread Syndrome (RTS)
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
16) Re: More metal comes out...
by BloodMystX@aol.com
17) Superior demo online (NDTC)
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de>
18) testing testing
by "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
19) Re: Shine on them crazy diamond
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
20) CDNow spam
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
21) SFAM in Kerrang
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
22) More rumblings
by Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
23) Musical humor
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:01:49 -0600
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5192
Message-ID: <000d01bf3160$7f8669c0$695299d1@default>
> > 2. I am so sick and tired of people worshiping MP.
> > He would certainly rank at the bottom of any music
> > lovers list of great drummers, if he even made my
> > list. He just cant compare with top notch drummers
> > like Lars Ulrich, Charlie Watts, Tommy Lee, Alex
> > Vanhalen or even Kid Rock. I saw a Kid Rock show,
> > and that man has the most energy behind the set in
> > the industry.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, but MAN, this guy must be smoking
crack! I am a drummer and to compare MP to Charlie Watts???? What is the
color of the sky in your world? I think all of the above listed drummers are
talented in their our right, but to say that these guys are superior to MP
is nuts.
Good luck in getting in to re-hab.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:05:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Time signatures explained
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911171958050.97855-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Jon Kretschmer wrote:
> For instance, here is the meaning of the most common time sigs -
>
> In 2/2, there are 2 half notes per bar.
> In 3/2, there are 3 half notes per bar.
> In 4/2, there are 4 half notes per bar.
>
> In 2/4, there are 2 quarter notes per bar.
> In 3/4, there are 3 quarter notes per bar.
> In 4/4, there are 4 quarter notes per bar.
> In 5/4, there are 5 quarter notes per bar.
> In 6/4, there are 6 quarter notes per bar.
> etc...
>
> In 3/8, there are 3 eighth notes per bar.
> In 5/8, there are 5 eighth notes per bar.
>
> (Time sigs like 2/8, 4/8, 8/8 don't really receive much use because
> they can be reduced to 1/4, 2/4, and 4/4 respectively.)
Just a couple notes on this (no pun intended): In a compound meter, such
as 6/8, 9/8, 6/4, etc (let's use 6/8 as an example), there are 6 eighth
notes per measure total, yes. However, in a compound meter, the BEAT is
determined by taking the note value (eighth notes in the case of 6/8) and
multiplying it by three. So in 6/8 time there are TWO beats in a measure,
where each beat is determined by a dotted quarter note. Even when it's
slow, if it's done conventionally then there will be strong beats on
eighth note 1 and eighth note 3 of each measure. Obviously, nowadays
there are many different interpretations of each time sig, but
traditionally, if a measure is written in 6/8, then there will be two
beats of dotted quarter notes, or two beats divided up into triplets, if
you like to think of it that way.
TRADITIONALLY (meaning that it's not always done this way anymore, but
it's how the standard theory practices go), if you break a measure up
into, say, four eighth note pattern and two eighth note pattern, you
should not put them all into one measure and call it 6/8. In this
particular case, you should call it a measure of 2/4 and a measure of 1/4.
Even a 3/4 bar wouldn't work in this case because a measure of 3/4 has a
strong beat on one only, and the other two beats are weak beats.
Technically, 3/4 falls into the category of compound meter, though not
many people think of it this way.
Of course, as I said before, it's not always done this way anymore. So
don't flame me saying, "HEY! I've seen a 6/8 measure where they played it
ONE two THREE four five SIX | ONE two THREE four five SIX" or something.
I'm just trying to enlighten on HOW the time sigs work traditionally, and
how they came to be the way they are.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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Psychiatrists say that 1 out of 4 people are
mentally ill. Check three friends. If they're OK,
you're it.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:18:19 -0500
From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: musicians
Message-ID: <383353DB.3D4BAB8C@mail.rochester.edu>
> Here's another one: A person who knows that if Korg had written G# > instead
> of G, he would have outlined his list in an A Lydian scale.
>
And an even better musician would know that since Korg wrote G and did
not write G#, he was writing out the Lydian Dominant mode (ie Lydian
with a b7 instead of natural 7).
Sorry.... I couldn't resist :)
Adam
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:20:41 -0600
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The universe is chaos!!!!
Message-ID: <199911180120.TAA21465@mail.busprod.com>
>Actually, it does work that way. Webster's is an opinion of what words
>mean. And it is often wrong. Words change meaning faster than revisions
>of any book attempting do define them can keep up. A dictionary is only a
>collection of the commonly accepted meanings of a word. If I want to go
>around with my friends and call things we like "flab" the word means that
>for us (my friends and I) because we have agreed that that combination of
>sounds has that meaning. We are no less right than Webster's or the OED.
>
>The universe is chaos upon which we exert our collective opinions in order
>to create confortable beliefs we like to call facts.
>
> ~Chris
You should be careful what you say Chris, some people find this fact a
little unsettling, it apparently will shatter some people's whole concept of
reality.
Otherwise... dead on. Everyone should reread what this guy just said.
-----
Webmaster - Tainted Cheese - http://clever.as/taintedcheese/
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:39:58 -0500
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Prog Snobs
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991117203958.007aade0@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
>> Definitions of musician:
>> A) A person who has a lifetime subscription to one of the following
>> publications: Guitar World, Guitar for the Practicing Musician, Keyboard
>> magazine, Hit Parader, Rolling Stone, Better Horns and Gardens...
>> B) A person who has calloused hands.
>> C#) A person who shows signs of male pattern baldness.
>> D#) A person who can correctly tell you in what key you flatulate..
>> E) A person who know that sharp means "pointy" and flat means "pressed into
>> a thin shape." Example: "I'm gonna flatten you like a fucking pancake,
>> BOYEEEEEEE!!!!"
>> F#) A person who owns more than 30 CD's or knows another person who does.
>> G) A person with an unpronouncable last name. i.e.: Ptacek, N'degecello,
>> Petrucci, Kuprij, Spears...
>> A) A person who can count to four.
Heheheheheh! Very good, Korg. That ruled.
>Here's another one: A person who knows that if Korg had written G# instead
>of G, he would have outlined his list in an A Lydian scale.
What about a person who knows that the way Korg-y actually wrote it is
called (at least by Joe Satriani and all the jazz musicians I know) Lydian
Dominant?
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:53:05 EST
From: CLIFFBUR10@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: If you know of ANY DT FTP Sites?, Please Read
Message-ID: <0.917aa43f.2564b601@aol.com>
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but i didnt get a digest with my last
post so i do not knwo if anyone got it or not, but anyway..i used to get my
DT mp3's from the IP 129.22.243.106, ,but i havent been able to connect to it
for like a week or so, does anyone know if this site is down permenatly or
just for a while or if the IP changed?? any info is greatly appreciated! also
if anyone else happens to know of any other ftp sites could you please share
the IP's with me!! thanks!!
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:52:43 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Staccato alone doth not a musician make.
Message-ID: <004d01bf316f$ffe51f80$5b0d84d0@safelink.net>
> Here's another one: A person who knows that if Korg had written G# instead
> of G, he would have outlined his list in an A Lydian scale.
FUCK! I was actually just trying to do a standard A Major scale
progression. Bleah. I don't even know the name of it. :) Really, I meant
for the D to remain natural and the G to be sharped. :) I can't do any damn
thing without my board in front of me. :P I izn't thot lernd. You fuckers
have too much free time. :)
>hilarious and funny ! Korg, you never seem to stop making me
>laugh...(even in the so-called serious posts you sometimes send...
Shhhh! Don't say anything like that, you'll only make that bastard post
more, like he doesn't enough already!
> A-ha, NOW we get upset! :)
Take on me, Cyberduke. :)
> A-ha, what's that now???
Take me on. I'll be gone.
-- KorgX3 better hit his theory studies again. NP: Lauren Christy - s/t (Still. New CD for me. Me likes!)------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:01:25 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: vocal debate (was classical covers) Message-ID: <B458D618.4845%marc@merespass.net>
Fett2002@aol.com wrote
> Also, as far as classical > musicians, when ya think about it aren't they just glorified cover bands??
No. You don't really think that Beethoven meant for his 5th Symphony to only be played by The Beethoven Orchestra, do you? Classical composers rarely played all the instruments for which they wrote. To put it in modern terms, if Prince writes a song for Sinead O'Connor, then Sinead is "covering" a Prince song? No, she is performing a song written for her.
A "cover" is when a group performs a song that was originally recorded by someone else. The recording part is the important part. If the song isn't recorded, it can't be covered. It doesn't have to be popular, just recorded. It also doesn't have to be written by the original artist, simply recorded.
In the 30's and 40's, popular music was very often "covers." Something happened when rock and roll came around. Popular music went from large "orchestras" to small groups. Those small groups tended to write their own songs. Then they recorded those songs. People became familiar with those songs through the recordings. They became used to hearing that song performed that way by that artist. When someone else performed the song, it sounded unfamiliar and people remembered the original and referred to this recording or performance as a cover.
Modern pop music is the only form of music where imitation is frowned on. If a band sounds like Zepplin, they are put down for it. It isn't considered respect or honor, it's considered ripping them off. It gets worse when a band "covers" another band's song. Then they are dismissed as merely a cover band or that's merely a cover song. It's interesting.
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:11:30 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Keyboard players (was To Stevie Z and the rest of the "Music Message-ID: <B458D752.4846%marc@merespass.net>
>> You know what? I really did like DS in the band. :) I also liked >> KevMo... Rudess has mad talents, but I just can't get into his playing like > > Am I the only one that likes all three of them??
Nope. I really liked Kevin's playing but Derek was great on FII. I've only had SFaM for two days but I *really* love it.
> I admit that their styles are different from each other; they emphasize > different aspects of music. But to me that's what Dream Theater is all > about, their music is very diverse.
Word to that!
> I don't wanna turn this into another Kevin vs Derek vs Jordan thread. I > just want to point out that the differences are not as dramatically as > some people on this list tend to think.
I'd like to turn it into a "what's the real skinny on Derek's departure?" thread. Did he just not like playing with DT? Did DT get tired of him? Was he a jerk? Did they want someone who was married too? ;). It just seems weird to me that they would audition him, tour with him, cut two albums, then not like him anymore. So my guess is that he got tired of DT and decided to split.
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:37:42 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Time signatures explained Message-ID: <B458DEB5.4848%marc@merespass.net>
> Now, the beauty of Dream Theater, as you probably know already, is that > they DO NOT just stick to 4/4 and 3/4 as most bands do...They use all sorts > of crazy time sigs that are HARD to count...The most famous example would > probably be the 15/16 in the beginning of Learning to Live.
15/16 isn't hard to count. Anyone can count to 15. It's often hard to *feel*. I haven't heard any quality music that was written in an odd time that didn't feel good. That's what makes it good music. When it feels good, you can play it by feel and not notice the time sig. I can't believe that DT is counting on any song.
> Using the > template I laid out earlier you can figure out exactly how to count the > opening. I didn't say you WOULD be able to though, because it is HARD :)
Nah. Just feel it. Notice on SFaM, track 6, near the end, they do that cool 9/8 to 4/4 section. Erotomania has that fun 5/4 intro. As you pointed out, Learning to Live has that 15/16 part. And everyone's favorite, The Mirror which is, I guess, 12/8 but feels like 4 over 3. It all feels good.
> That is only part of what makes DT so great...Because Mike, John, John, > Kevin and Jordan are MONSTERS at figuring out and playing in different time > sigs
Can't argue with that.
> So, now that that is out there, lets take a look at the questions you posed > in your email -
> Hope this helps. I know there are a lot of musicians on this list that > know this stuff already, but I thought it could help some people. And as I > recall, it isn't a taboo topic. So, there it is. Good luck.
Yea, great explanation. Never hurts to revisit it :).
--Marc R
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:13:47 +1100 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The pumpkins/floyd/help with pettruci guitar bit Message-ID: <38337CFA.20AB9199@alphalink.com.au>
yeah i was really into the pumpkins a year or so ago (before I found dream theater). they've do a lot of creative and in my opinion them and Tool are the closest you'll find to prog at the moment in terms of more superstar bands. An undeniable example of pink floyd's greatness is the fact that they have influenced such a huge range of bands, from pop rock like the pumpkins and radiohead, prog, blues, and basically anything else that takes itself seriously.
Jeff wrote-
> I don't like this talk. :) It was said here before that anyone can make > music. And if other people like that music, then great, because that > satisfies a portion of the two sides -- Musicians and Listeners (The > Musician and the Listener?) For example, I love the Smashing Pumpkins. > Probably not too many people here will agree with me here, but I think Billy > Corgan is a creative sunuvabitch, and plays guitar with a lot of style and > feel. I also really like Elastica and Bjork. I don't even know if Bjork > plays an instrument (besides her voice) but I would certainly call her a > musician, though she probably hasn't gone to school for it (though I suppose > she might have).
btw, theres a sick guitar bit by JP at 4:38 of Fatal Tragedy. If anyone has the equipment to slow this down and could tell me what hes doing that would be great. it sounds like a machine gun.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:15:52 -0800 From: Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: top 5 cool albums on my playlist Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991117201020.009c3ba0@sc.llu.edu>
>>From: BloodMystX@aol.com >>someone post already)? Perhaps an idea is maybe each jammer gives a top 5 >>current playlist...? Thanks for everyone's time...Here's my top 5 right >>now... >> >> >>1. DT-SFaM >>2. Steve Vai-Sex and Religion ("in my dreams with you," what a great song!) >>3. Cynic-Focus >>4. Angra-Fireworks >>5. Cryptopsy-None So Vile
Okay, normally I don't get involved in this type of thing on mailing lists, but for some reason I feel compelled....
1. DT -SFAM 2. S.O.D. -Bigger Than the Devil 3. Superior: Younique 4. Type O Negative: World Coming Down 5. Morbid Angel: Formulas Fatal To the Flesh
I hope this like, changed someone's life today, or at the very least helped somebody not to commit suicide or something. 8-)
------------------------------------------------------ What do you do when you see an endangered animal eating an endangered plant? Wesley Foll, Geology B.S., Loma Linda University follwes@sc.llu.edu wfoll00g@ns.llu.edu beavis@ytseradio.com ICQ #4550740
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:08:14 -0500 From: "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5194 Message-ID: <383397CE.62EF843C@unc.edu>
Many people wrote many different things: > > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:46:22 -0800 > From: Justin James <jsj0656@labs.tamu.edu> > Subject: metal > > I for one love all kinds of metal, including death and black. However I > would guess that death and black fans on this list are rather in the > minority. Usually really technical metal is pretty popular around here > (such as Meshuggah). Have you heard Satyricon's new album Rebel > Extravaganza? I hear that it's one of the most innovative black metal > albums every made. Haven't heard it myself yet though.
Same here. Right now I'm taking a break from the new Opeth and Tristania, both of which are so absolutely amazing that I'm sure that I've worn out my roommate's patience by blasting them at a ridiculous volume over my new Klipsch computer speakers! ;-)
As for "technical" metal, I don't really think anything tops Cynic. I'm a huge fan of Cynic, and any related projects are ultimately owned by blood sacrifice (or something insane of the sort...). ;-) Aghora, too, is excellent, and Gordian Knot-- ooh, can't talk about that one, I just took a much-needed nap listening to it, and now my "mood" complements it perfectly... =)
Most definitely, however, us more obscure metal-heads are in the minority on this list (though I hesitate to call myself a "metal-head" since I listen to just about everything).
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:20:58 +0000 > From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> > Subject: Steve Morse website /\ > > Looks like the new and improved http://www.stevemorse.com has some MP3 > short samples of both SMB and Dregs material. Check it out, Perhaps > start with http://www.stevemorse.com/sound/brave.mp3 or > http://www.stevemorse.com/sound/stressfest.mp3 ;)
Ack, finally the SM website has been updated! :-) ...and it looks *fabulous*. Steve Morse is...um, well, without words, "quite amazing." I'll leave it at that. (If you're in doubt, just check out any of the myriad versions of "Hereafter.")
dtc
-- Daniel T. Chen chenda@cs.unc.edu NP : Dream Theater - Only A Matter of Time
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:21:09 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Time signatures explained Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911180119550.26150-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Marc Respass wrote:
> 15/16 isn't hard to count. Anyone can count to 15. It's often hard to > *feel*.
Actually, 15/16 is pretty easy to feel. It's just a funk shuffle with five beats per measure.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill it anyway because I already gave away all of his stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of humor. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:36:52 -0500 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: TSO live / Repeated Thread Syndrome (RTS) Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991118020556.00c251c0@cs.millersv.edu>
I haven't seen anybody mention it yet -- didn't know myself until I stumbled upon the info.
Trans-Siberian Orchestra is going on tour very shortly. Minimal venues, eastern US. Go here for more info...
http://www.trans-siberian.com/noflash/concerts.htm
If you live near Philly (...and you like the band...), buy your tickets NOW. They're not on sale officially yet (just through the TM website), so the "good seats" are all still available. Example: I somehow managed to score front row center. No promises.
I'm glad to see the dependable "Pink Floyd/Dave Gilmour rules/sucks" thread is back. (And "fact vs. opinion"!) Like clockwork, almost. Next week, the new Metallica comes out. That's certain to bring about the return of the "Metallica rules/sucks" debate (if you want to call it that -- it's more closely akin to playground namecalling (yeah, I said "playground namecalling", poopyface)). It's already beginning with the "Lars can/can't drum" stuff. Wonder when the "are Dream Theater religious?" topic will pop up again? Or when some cynical Ytse-pseudoveteran of a few years will start complaining about threads repeating themselves again...? Wah.
Brian
[NP...Discipline -- Live: Into The Storm...]
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:41:53 EST From: BloodMystX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: More metal comes out... Message-ID: <0.b5dde3f3.256507c1@aol.com>
<<>
Greetings, Justin...Its funny that you point out Meshuggah...I had actuall= y=20 listened to both full-length albums I have of theirs (Chaosphere and=20 Destroy/Erase/Improve)...They are actually one of my faves...Tomas H=E5ke is= =20 one incredible drummer...I would actually praise him higher than=20 Portnoy...True, MP, like I said, does some great grooves in 4, but=20 Tomas...Man, that dude is totally breaking groove barriers in 4...The song=20 "Mouth licking What You Bleed" (or something to that effect) is superb...It=20 has one of the greatest grooves I've ever heard...And, for the life of me, I= =20 cannot tell where in the beat rotation that the snare hits during the regula= r=20 verse (not the variation)...It sounds like it rotates in either 3/8 or 5/8=20 over the 4/4, which is being held usually by the hats...haha, anyways!=20 Regarding Satyricon, I'm not a big fan of them, even though I'm big into BM=20 (Black Metal)...I bet the album is good, but Satyricon play an interesting=20 blend of Metal, something of which I am not really a fan...Also, I hear that= =20 Satyr (the guy that does everything besides drum, apparently) is a big=20 jerk-off ego wiener...That I can't really admire, either...I might suggest=20 the power rock/metal band Children of Bodom...Some great synth/gutiar work i= n=20 there, and also very classically inspired...
In the tradition of the Cow God...Moo! haha, sorry, T! =20
Tony Williams...
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:49:33 +0100 From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Superior demo online (NDTC) Message-ID: <4.1.19991118084254.00938b30@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!
There is something new on our site. :) I have put there a part of a new Superior demo song. If you are interested in listening to this, go to http://www.free-minded.de/ (FLASH 4 PLUG-IN NEEDED!) and check out the Audio / Demo section. Please read carefully what is written there, ok? :)
Greetings
Bernd
PS: Feedback welcome!! :)
---------------------------------------------------- Bernd Basmer Guitar - Superior
For info about Superior have a look at http://www.free-minded.de/ ---------------------------------------------------- It's only work if somebody makes you do it.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:49:50 +0100 From: "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com> To: "'The Ytsejam Mailing list'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: testing testing Message-ID: <C23163F98473D311874C0008C7E621070F8449@daemsg02.software-ag.de>
hi all
hate to waste space, but I think I'm having problems getting through to the list. If you can read this, then obviously all is well.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com) Currently playing: Sting - Ten Summoners Tales
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 04:28:18 -0600 From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Shine on them crazy diamond Message-ID: <3833D4C2.43DC342C@earthlink.net>
The Macedonian known as Cyberduke wrote: > Phew, and I thought that was easy thing to agree on! :( For God's sake, > what kind of example I should think of to prove that some things ARE > objective and absolute? :)
How about this: "Ron Jeremy is a legend."
Chew on that.
Take care, Mark Peters epididymisle@earthlink.net
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:40:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM in Kerrang Message-ID: <4962ea1752graham@picsel.com>
ReSent-From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> ReSent-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Hehe . . . Kerrang just completely slated Scenes From A Memory. What a surprise. :-)
Ah, who cares anyway? Kerrang is basically a Heavy Metal comic for children, complete with its regular cast of strangely-dressed superheroes (Marilyn Manson, Cradle Of Filth) and geeky pathetic victims (like the editor, Phil Alexander). That's also why the magazine is so cheap: so that children can afford to spend their weekly pocket-money on it.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:13:34 -0500 From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: More rumblings Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC014669A6@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
Duke wrote,
>OK I'm really tired of all this ... I made my point already
You did? :)
> - L. Ron Hubbard is a prolific author. > > - L. Ron Hubbard wrote the definitive doctrine on religion, and > > the world doesn't need me to agree or disagree - THAT IS THAT! > > Who is the guy anyway? :) Don't know him.
He's a science fiction author who has, since his passing, put out 23 new novels. Which, IMHO, makes him pretty prolific. He also wrote "Dianetics", which is the Bible, basically, for the Church of Scientology (of which Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman, and John Travolta all are members). No offense to any possible Scientologists here - if I am incorrect, please a)forgive and b)correct.
>For God's sake, >what kind of example I should think of to prove that some things ARE >objective and absolute? :)
I agree that some things are objective and subjective:
"I think Kraft Mac and Cheese is the cheesiest." "I disagree - I think Velveeta is far cheesier."
but your original post stated that "Gilmour is a GOD and PF are a great band - this is FACT" wasn't one of them.
>Oh, yeah, BTW, Nick, the PS/2 monitor is pooched! Sparks started flying >out of it. Of course, I had to mess around with the power chord >afterwards, jamming the bitch in wiggling it around screaming/laughing >"WORK, YOU GATES-IAN DRIVEN PIECE OF SHIT!" as more sparks flew out of >it.
AWESOME! That POS machine needs to die a horrific death anyways.
Nicholas Giannotti x6745 Joint STARS Contracts / JSK System Resources Corporation giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
"Build a man a fire, he is warm for a day. Set him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life." "Who gossips to you will gossip of you."
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:50:49 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Musical humor Message-ID: <38341249.85404215@isd.net>
The Boston Symphony was performing Beethoven's Ninth. In the piece, there's a long passage about 20 minutes during which the bass violinists have nothing to do. Rather than sit around the whole time looking stupid, some bassists decided to sneak offstage and go to the tavern next door for a quick one.
After slamming several beers in quick succession (as bass violinists are prone to do), one of them looked at his watch. "Hey! We need to get back!" "No need to panic," said a fellow bassist. "I thought we might need some extra time, so I tied the last few pages of the conductor's score together with string. It'll take him a few minutes to get it untangled."
A few moments later they staggered back to the concert hall and took their places in the orchestra. About this time, a member of the audience noticed the conductor seemed a bit edgy and said as much to her companion. "Well, of course," said her companion. "Don't you see? It's the bottom of the Ninth, the score is tied, and the bassists are loaded."
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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