YTSEJAM Digest 5194
Today's Topics:
1) http://129.118.199.144:666/
by MaxArbot@aol.com
2) Staccato alone doth not a musician make.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) Re: facts vs. opinion
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
4) Re: To Stevie Z and the rest of the "Music Sucks" crew ;)
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
5) facts, opinions, etc.
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
6) Re: Staccato alone doth not a musician make.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Re: Lars Ulrich
by Fett2002@aol.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
10) Re: humor-impairedness (was: re: imp. facts)
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
11) Re: Staccato alone doth not a musician make.
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
12) metal
by Justin James <jsj0656@labs.tamu.edu>
13) odd times signatures in Met1 / Met2
by Holger Hoffmeister <Holger.Hoffmeister@gmx.de>
14) Steve Morse website /\
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
15) Lars U., Alex VH
by Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
16) Re: Amorphis "Tuonela"
by MTeiper@aol.com
17) It's Alive, Igor!
by MusicSnob@aol.com
18) Shine on them crazy diamond
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
19) Time signatures explained
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:21:28 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: http://129.118.199.144:666/
Message-ID: <0.78b06cff.25647658@aol.com>
My SHOUTcast server is up and running, and I encourage everyone to try it out
and send requests, suggestions, comments, complaints, whatever to
MetzaeRequests@aol.com
<A HREF="http://129.118.199.144:666/">http://129.118.199.144:666/>
Right now I'm playing a Dream Theater CD mix that I put together. And no,
[eriC]
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:23:01 -0700
>I don't dare giving example of ABSOLUTE things because I bet someone
For an example of something absolute try the phrases "Death kills," "Pain
>There would be some validity to this post if you could do one thing. Please
Definitions of musician:
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:07:00 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: facts vs. opinion
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991117220700.01667b28@pi-r-squared.com>
At 12:04 PM 11/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I agree. Miles Davis is a jazz legend. I believe that is a fact. Do you
>agree with CyberDuke's original post with the statement that Pat Metheny is
>a jazz legend? I do not. That is my opinion. Oh shit, this is nuts!
You're right, sometimes it can come up for debate... but hey, facts are
debated all the time! Nuts, yes. But fun. ;)
Palpatine
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his
house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:53:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: To Stevie Z and the rest of the "Music Sucks" crew ;)
Message-ID: <19991117215314.12291.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> wrote:
> Am I the only one that likes all three of them??
No, you're not. Count me in.
> I admit that their styles are different from each other; they
> emphasize
> different aspects of music. But to me that's what Dream Theater is
> all
> about, their music is very diverse.
Exactly. And if you think about it, none of their albums is like the
others. That's so cool, adding diversity to their music. Just the same
with diverse keyboardists.
> I don't wanna turn this into another Kevin vs Derek vs Jordan thread.
> I
> just want to point out that the differences are not as dramatically
> as
> some people on this list tend to think.
Well, if it isn't now, it sure will come, so don't worry...
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:05:45 -0800
From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: facts, opinions, etc.
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991117140545.00b68c30@objypop>
> But then you use "something" to prove me wrong. Accoring your logic
> Websters definition of opinion might be a personal opinion as well! :)
> Expanding this concept, you can't prove anything right. No way. And
> there you have it - chaos. And I'm sorry, but the universe doesn't work
> that way.
Actually, it does work that way. Webster's is an opinion of what words
mean. And it is often wrong. Words change meaning faster than revisions
of any book attempting do define them can keep up. A dictionary is only a
collection of the commonly accepted meanings of a word. If I want to go
around with my friends and call things we like "flab" the word means that
for us (my friends and I) because we have agreed that that combination of
sounds has that meaning. We are no less right than Webster's or the OED.
The universe is chaos upon which we exert our collective opinions in order
to create confortable beliefs we like to call facts.
~Chris
(and no, I don't actually use "flab" to mean good, it's just a more or less
random word I chose)
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:07:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Staccato alone doth not a musician make.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911171706560.77433-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> Definitions of musician:
> A) A person who has a lifetime subscription to one of the following
> publications: Guitar World, Guitar for the Practicing Musician, Keyboard
> magazine, Hit Parader, Rolling Stone, Better Horns and Gardens...
> B) A person who has calloused hands.
> C#) A person who shows signs of male pattern baldness.
> D#) A person who can correctly tell you in what key you flatulate..
> E) A person who know that sharp means "pointy" and flat means "pressed into
> a thin shape." Example: "I'm gonna flatten you like a fucking pancake,
> BOYEEEEEEE!!!!"
> F#) A person who owns more than 30 CD's or knows another person who does.
> G) A person with an unpronouncable last name. i.e.: Ptacek, N'degecello,
> Petrucci, Kuprij, Spears...
> A) A person who can count to four.
Here's another one: A person who knows that if Korg had written G# instead
of G, he would have outlined his list in an A Lydian scale.
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http://cout.dhs.org/
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Before you criticize somebody, walk a mile in his
shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him,
you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:18:51 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Lars Ulrich
Message-ID: <0.fba3fea4.256483cb@aol.com>
MyrBones@aol.com wrote:...
<<list. He just cant compare with top notch drummers like Lars Ulrich,
Charlie
<Hey, I can imagine that you are offended. Not saying if you are right or
<wrong on the previous posts, but comparing MP to Lars Ulrich IS a joke.
<Ulrich is known because he plays in a famous band (and because he talks a
<lot, too :) ), but he would definitely NOT be known/popular without
<Metallica. Furthermore, he IS a sloppy drummer. Ever been to a Lars Ulrich
<drumclinic ? Me neither :) ... Anybody else an opinion on this ?
<Take Care
<HeinV
<PS. I have almost all Metallica albums (even on vinyl !!!) except for the
<last ones, of course.
I gotta disagree with you here. Lars is an awesome drummer. Just because he
doesn't have drum clinics doesn't mean he's a bad drummer. That's a
rediculous thing to say. Also, I still don't get the negative recepton that
Load and Reload have. If those albums were released by some new band that no
one heard before, people would like them but just because they don't sound
like what people's previous perception of Metallica was they're supposed to
be bad? That's rediculous too. I for one applaud that they keep moving in new
directions. I mean, on And Justice for All (an album which Lars' drumming is
incredible by the way), they went as far as they could with the speed metal
thing. And they certainly did not sell out on Load. If they wanted to just
sell a ton of albums, al they would've had to do was basically write The
Black Album over again like AC/DC keeps doing with Back in Black.
-Mike
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:19:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186
Message-ID: <19991117221911.15480.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Sebast87@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi! i'm a french member of the ytsejam and i have some problems with
> time
> signature...
> Could you help me please?
> here is what I understand :
> 4/4 = 16 1/4 notes per measure
4 / 4 = 4 times a 1/4 note per measure
> 3/4 = 12 1/4 notes per measure
3 / 4 = 3 times a 1/4 note per measure
> Now i'm not sure about it :
> 5/4 = 20 1/4 notes per measure
5 / 4 = 5 times a 1/4 note per measure
> now what i'm sure it's wrong :
> 9/4 = 36 1/4 notes per measure.
9 / 4 = 9 times a 1/4 per measure
I guess that you mixed 16th notes with the 4th notes, it's like:
4 / 4 = 16 1/16 notes per measure
4 1/16 notes per 1/4 note
Here, imagine number 16 as a 16th note, number 4 as a 4th note, and |
as a measure line (or whatever you call it), it goes like this:
| 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 | 16 16 16
16...
| 4 4 4 4 | 4
That's the way it goes in 4 / 4, I'm sure we don't need to go
further...
> So, could you give many examples please (stuff like 9/6, 8/2,
> 6/6, 8/3
> if it exists??!)
I've seen 3 / 2, 5 / 2, so I guess it's (8/2) valid. But none of the
others exist. Only time signatures like x/2, x/4, x/8, x/16,
etc...exist. But I think I haven't seen any other sig's than the first
three, however, I've seen only classical music sheets (just a few DT
transcriptions) and thou' many classical composers used weird time
sig's they mostly stuck with those...
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:21:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186
Message-ID: <19991117222107.5025.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Sebast87@aol.com wrote:
> Thank you and sorry if it seems really dumb, but i just began drum 4
> months
> ago and i just know 4/4)
Don't you worry about it, you gotta start somewhere, don't ya ? ;-)
That really wasn't a dumb question, not at all.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:31:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: humor-impairedness (was: re: imp. facts)
Message-ID: <19991117223143.4469.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Fran Brennan <okelnard@hotmail.com> wrote:
> p.s. John Myung is just a big lizard in bass player's clothing. I
> have
> proof.
Please please....don't hold 'em back !!! ;-)
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:39:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Staccato alone doth not a musician make.
Message-ID: <19991117223942.13152.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote:
Okay, I know this is against the common courtesy and all, but this time
it's a must to quote the whole of the original post, since it's SO
hilarious and funny ! Korg, you never seem to stop making me
laugh...(even in the so-called serious posts you sometimes send...no,
just kidding there...:)
> >I don't dare giving example of ABSOLUTE things because I bet someone
> >will come up with some "democratic" view using his "freedom of
> speech"
> >to put me down. :)
>
> For an example of something absolute try the phrases "Death kills,"
> "Pain
> hurts," "Sherry Lewis sucks," and "Got Milk?" The chances of finding
> anyone
> who disagrees with those statements are minimal, and should they rise
> up to
> confront you, send them my way and I will see to it that they are put
> to a
> swift, merciful death for the sake of preserving the human race
> (what's left
> of it anyway). Hopefully they haven't spawned lest I am forced to
> slay
> their progeny as well.
>
> >There would be some validity to this post if you could do one thing.
> Please
> >define the word musician. Thank you, please drive through.
>
> Definitions of musician:
> A) A person who has a lifetime subscription to one of the following
> publications: Guitar World, Guitar for the Practicing Musician,
> Keyboard
> magazine, Hit Parader, Rolling Stone, Better Horns and Gardens...
> B) A person who has calloused hands.
> C#) A person who shows signs of male pattern baldness.
> D#) A person who can correctly tell you in what key you flatulate..
> E) A person who know that sharp means "pointy" and flat means
> "pressed into
> a thin shape." Example: "I'm gonna flatten you like a fucking
> pancake,
> BOYEEEEEEE!!!!"
> F#) A person who owns more than 30 CD's or knows another person who
> does.
> G) A person with an unpronouncable last name. i.e.: Ptacek,
> N'degecello,
> Petrucci, Kuprij, Spears...
> A) A person who can count to four.
> --
> KorgX3 drives through pleasantly.
> NP: Lauren Christy - s/t
>
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:46:22 -0800
From: Justin James <jsj0656@labs.tamu.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: metal
Message-ID: <38334C5E.BE6DEA8D@labs.tamu.edu>
> Greetings...This is in no relevance to anything mentioned
> previously (unless I don't know about it)...But, I'm a fairly new jammer, and
> I was curious how prevalent metal is in each jammer's music collection?
>
I for one love all kinds of metal, including death and black. However I
would guess that death and black fans on this list are rather in the
minority. Usually really technical metal is pretty popular around here
(such as Meshuggah). Have you heard Satyricon's new album Rebel
Extravaganza? I hear that it's one of the most innovative black metal
albums every made. Haven't heard it myself yet though.
np: Primus all banjo performance (mp3)
Justin James
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:54:46 +0100
From: Holger Hoffmeister <Holger.Hoffmeister@gmx.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: odd times signatures in Met1 / Met2
Message-ID: <38330805.CB667EE0@gmx.de>
> The rythymic reference I'm refering to first is one that Portnoy himself
>explained in a clinic... he said that part of Met Pt 1 in the middle section
>was in 5/8 5/8 7/8 5/8 7/8 5/8 5/8 7/8 in that order. I've heard this in
>Met pt 2 - a direct quote rythymically, at least!
In Rotterdam, he was asked, why he choosed this sequence.
The answer was stunning. It is/ was his telefonnumber!
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:20:58 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: Chuh Chuh Chuh Chia <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Steve Morse website /\
Message-ID: <3833385A.F7C1608C@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Looks like the new and improved http://www.stevemorse.com has some MP3
short samples of both SMB and Dregs material. Check it out, Perhaps
start with http://www.stevemorse.com/sound/brave.mp3 or
http://www.stevemorse.com/sound/stressfest.mp3 ;)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Fact: that guitar playin' dude in the subway was there again
yesterday.
Supposition: he had some new material, too!
Lie: he was stuck to the seat.
Comments/Opinion: excellent distortion, impressive speed. people had
weird looks on their faces, so it was workin' :)
Fact: the money i tossed into his guitar case decreased in
value during its downward flight.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Duke:
> > From: Giannotti Nick
> >
> > Look at it this way:
> >
> > - L. Ron Hubbard is a prolific author.
> > - L. Ron Hubbard wrote the definitive doctrine on religion, and
> > the world doesn't need me to agree or disagree - THAT IS THAT!
>
> Who is the guy anyway? :) Don't know him.
I know Nick. He's cool ;)
Oh, yeah, BTW, Nick, the PS/2 monitor is pooched! Sparks started flying
out of it. Of course, I had to mess around with the power chord
afterwards, jamming the bitch in wiggling it around screaming/laughing
"WORK, YOU GATES-IAN DRIVEN PIECE OF SHIT!" as more sparks flew out of
it.
> You see, it's science in basics. You HAVE TO TAKE refference point in
> order to prove somehting. You have to start from something that is
> absolute, true and go on from there. Otherwise you can't.
Unless you're L. Ron Hubbard ;)
> Yeah I see it now, it all comes down on the discussion "Is there
> ANYTHING absolute in this universe or not?"
Absolutely! heh
> Afterall, it will all get cleared up eventually.
I forget which jammer it was, but I liked the Douglas Adams quote in his
sig:
"There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers what the
Universe is for
and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by
something
even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states
that
this has already happened" -Douglas Adams
||s:
> Well look at it this way. It is a FACT that the OPINION is held by the
>large majority of jazz listeners that Miles Davis is a legend. You can
>deny that and say it is your OPINION that Miles Davis is not a legend.
Just to clear things up a little as only *I* can do (FACT), consider if
someone is referred to as a "legend in their own mind." Is this FACT or
OPINION? How can we be sure facts are nothing more than dried little
puppy hallucinations we convince ourselves are real. Are we here right
now? Is this all a dream?
Go now, see ya....
Jon
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:21:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Lars U., Alex VH
Message-ID: <19991117232112.18942.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com>
Lars Ulrich is good at one style. Metallica is good at
one style. Has he ever recorded anything in any other
style?
Alex is a very good drummer, imo. The solo before 'Hot
for Teacher' comes to mind. But although there are
lots of good guitarists, there are a few (Vai, Satch,
Petrucci (imo) etc) who are so far above the rest
there's no comparison. And in the drum world, the
likes of Peart and Portnoy are here. Alex VH is not.
But I'm not a drummer, so take this with a grain of
salt and some jalapeno seeds :)
-Dan
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:28:39 EST
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Amorphis "Tuonela"
Message-ID: <0.252d9547.25649427@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/17/1999 11:20:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, Rogerio
Brito writes:
<< Hummm... How is this album, Matt? Anything similar to the
other ones? I have just been getting (again) into Amorphis
(especially the space-ish, instrumental sections of their
songs -- I really love the second part of "Brother Slayer" and
I just wished it were longer).
How does "Tuonela" compare to the "My Kantele" single? Is it
death metal? Is it rock'n'roll with death metal vocals? Is it
progressive rock with death metal vocals? Any comments would
be more than appreciated.
>>
Hey Roger!
The style of this album is hard to describe. But, like someone already
mentioned, I would say it is different than the Brother-Slayer songs on "My
Kantele". However, this is not to say that it is a return to their death
metal days either. I will try to come up with somewhat of a description for
you, though...
I would say that this album is more guitar oriented than songs in the past,
like on "Elegy" for example. I think this was mainly due to the fact that
their keyboardist left the band. They got some other guy to play keys during
the recording - I think it was just a session musician, but I could be wrong.
(I don't have the CD with me right now - it's at work.) There are keys on
the album, but they don't really take a forefront in any of the tunes.
Rather, they're more atmospheric than anything. But it really works! It's
awesome "moody" music... I can't really think of another word to describe
this. It's a great mood setting album. I can put this on, close my eyes,
and the next thing I know, it's 45 minutes later.
But that's not to say that it's mellow either. (I know, it sounds like I'm
contradicting myself. Like I said, it's hard to describe!) I wouldn't call
it "prog" per se, I would call it somewhere between rock and metal with a few
wild instruments thrown in there, like the other guy already mentioned. The
biggest improvement over their past material is in the vocals department.
The clean vocalist sings the ENTIRE album, and he does a great job. The
previous growler singer now just plays guitar for them. The majority of the
album, the clean guy sings very cleanly. Occasionally, they throw in a
growl-type effect, but with the effect on the clean vocalist, it's nowhere
near as deep and gutteral as their older vocals used to be. The "growl" vox
are probably the most listenable I've ever heard of any "growled" vox.
The songs are outstandingly written, with a bit more of a "commercial" feel
to them. Maybe "commercial" isn't the right word... they are more
"accessible" to people that may not already be into this sort of music. I
would definitely recommend checking the album out. I absolutely love it...
the opening track "The Way" may be the best song I've ever heard by these
guys, and that's saying something because I WORSHIPPED "Elegy". I would
think that if you like the non-death Amorphis, you'll love this album. To
me, this album seems like exactly the album that they've been progressing and
evolving to make. In the past it's seemed like the albums were great
stepping stones to something bigger. With "Tuonela" it seems like they've
arrived at what they were looking for. The songs sound totally confident,
comfortable, and brilliantly performed.
Well, sorry for the ramble, folks. Roger, I hope this helps. And to all you
other Jammers out there, this is one HELL of a good album. Check it out!
Laterz.... Matt T.
NP: Amorphis "My Kantele"
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:34:15 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: It's Alive, Igor!
Message-ID: <0.8837155.25649577@aol.com>
Mr. First Place, ESPN Fantasy Football wrote:
>I think how a vocalist sounds live really is the best to judge how good they
>really are.
Ok, I can agree with that statement. When I recommended that whoever that was
listen to Alder's studio material, I wasn't suggesting that Ray sucked live,
although
I can understand where what I said could be interpreted as that. In my
opinion (this
section obviously doesn't apply to those people on the list who are too
obstinate
to actually agree that a dictionary just might be a good source for defining
words),
Alder live absolutely crushes LaBrie (Still Life vs. OIALT = Knockout for SL,
IMO),
I was just suggesting that someone who wasn't overly impressed with Ray's live
performance might reconsider after having heard his studio output. Or not.
You
decide.
NP: Ice Age - The Great (Dream Theater and Styx Rip-off) Divide
Oops, that was another opinion, brought to you by the letter "O"
Kevin
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:00:20 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Shine on them crazy diamond
Message-ID: <38334194.D8C34F4@mol.com.mk>
> From: BloodMystX@aol.com
>
> I am so sick and tired of people worshiping MP....
>
> This is a very subjective issue right here...But the words
> in which you spoke are almost offensive in a way...
A-ha, NOW we get upset! :) Yes, again we have personal "proves" for
something which isn't true or the FACT that "MP is better drummer than
Charlie Watts and the rest mentioned"!
> I completely don't understand the reason behind the statement...
Same as I don't understand the "reason" behind the guy bashing Gilmour.
> From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
>
> You are right about potential for chaos and I agree that the universe
> doesn't work without a basic set of rules to define our world.
Well thank you, at least we got to somewhere! :)
> Why are you ignoring the accepted reference (Webster)
> for the definition of the word "opinion."
I don't ignore the definition of "opinion". I'm against the concept that
there are no objective and absolute facts FOR ALL people.
He-he, ... let's use the oh so cute US constitution here: "Liberty and
Justice FOR ALL!"
A-ha, what's that now??? FOR ALL? Damn Lincoln (was he?), he can't
possible think that liberty and justice is good for all folks? I mean,
.. what's good for him might not be good for others ,right?
</sarcasm>
> SUBMIT DAMMIT! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! ;-)
"Never surrender, NEVER!"
<Sean Connery waving his sword! Although he got stabbed right after>
LOL
> > Yeah I see it now, it all comes down on the discussion "Is there
> > ANYTHING absolute in this universe or not?"
>
> Have you seen the Matrix? Cool concept.
Oh c'mon Ivancho! :) You can do better than that! There are times for
joking and times to be serious. (BTW, I didn't see the movie yet) An
artist can imagine any kind of fiction in his movie/book. However cool
it might sound (Heck I LOVE "The 5-th element" idea) but let's be
realistic. Be honest and tell me you REALLY consider Matrix concept or
any other that type of movie as serious candidate for THE TRUE nature of
the universe?
> Everything I thought of as absolute I'm sure could be argued against :-)
No, don't surrender!! That's what they try man! :)
> I agree. Miles Davis is a jazz legend. I believe that is a fact.
Phew, and I thought that was easy thing to agree on! :( For God's sake,
what kind of example I should think of to prove that some things ARE
objective and absolute? :)
OK I'm really tired of all this ... I made my point already
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:29:02 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Time signatures explained
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991117192902.007df100@imap.indiana.edu>
>From: Sebast87@aol.com
>Hi! i'm a french member of the ytsejam and i have some problems with time
>signature...
>Could you help me please?
I'll do my best - You could probably find this info out somewhere online,
but since there are so many musicians here, this is a good a place as any
to get your questions answered about music theory. Here goes.
>here is what I understand :
>4/4 = 16 1/4 notes per measure
>3/4 = 12 1/4 notes per measure
If you mean to say that in 4/4 there are 16 quarter notes and that in 3/4
there are 3 quarter notes, that is incorrect. In 4/4 there are 4 quarter
notes, and in 3/4 there are 3 quarter notes. There ARE, however, 16 eighth
notes in 4/4 and 12 in 3/4, but those eighth notes do not receive the beat.
In time signature notation, the bottom number refers to the LENGTH of the
note that will receive the beat. Maybe this chart will help.
If there is a 1 as the bottom number (x/1), then the whole note receives
the beat.
If there is a 2 as the bottom number (x/2), then the half note receives the
beat.
If there is a 4 as the bottom number, (x/4), then the quarter note receives
the beat.
If there is an 8 as the bottom number, (x/8), then the eighth note receives
the beat.
If there is a 16 as the bottom number, (x/16), then the sixteenth note
receives the beat.
IN CONVENTIONAL NOTATION, THE BOTTOM NUMBER CAN ONLY BE A POWER OF 2! :)
No 3's, no 6's, no 9's, etc...Only 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256, whatever on
up, but it can only be a power of 2.
The top number in time signature notation merely refers to how many of
those half notes, quarter notes, eighth notes, etc, are in the bar.
Whenever you see a time sig, look at the bottom number first to see what
kind of note length you will be beating. Then look at the top note and see
how many there are. Very simple, but easy to confuse the meaning of the
top and bottom numbers.
For instance, here is the meaning of the most common time sigs -
In 2/2, there are 2 half notes per bar.
In 3/2, there are 3 half notes per bar.
In 4/2, there are 4 half notes per bar.
In 2/4, there are 2 quarter notes per bar.
In 3/4, there are 3 quarter notes per bar.
In 4/4, there are 4 quarter notes per bar.
In 5/4, there are 5 quarter notes per bar.
In 6/4, there are 6 quarter notes per bar.
etc...
In 3/8, there are 3 eighth notes per bar.
In 5/8, there are 5 eighth notes per bar.
(Time sigs like 2/8, 4/8, 8/8 don't really receive much use because they
can be reduced to 1/4, 2/4, and 4/4 respectively.)
Now, the beauty of Dream Theater, as you probably know already, is that
they DO NOT just stick to 4/4 and 3/4 as most bands do...They use all sorts
of crazy time sigs that are HARD to count...The most famous example would
probably be the 15/16 in the beginning of Learning to Live. Using the
template I laid out earlier you can figure out exactly how to count the
opening. I didn't say you WOULD be able to though, because it is HARD :)
That is only part of what makes DT so great...Because Mike, John, John,
Kevin and Jordan are MONSTERS at figuring out and playing in different time
sigs
So, now that that is out there, lets take a look at the questions you posed
in your email -
>Now i'm not sure about it :
>5/4 = 20 1/4 notes per measure
Not quite - 20 eighth notes, but 5 quarters in 5/4. Refer to the
explanation above to understand why.
>now what i'm sure it's wrong :
>9/4 = 36 1/4 notes per measure.
36 eighths, not quarters, but other than that, you have the math down.
>Thank you and sorry if it seems really dumb, but i just began drum 4 months
>ago and i just know 4/4)
Keep listening to Dream Theater. You'll become comfortable with EVERY time
signature if you learn each and every one of their songs well...
Hope this helps. I know there are a lot of musicians on this list that
know this stuff already, but I thought it could help some people. And as I
recall, it isn't a taboo topic. So, there it is. Good luck.
Jon
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they aren't just a bunch of DT songs one right after the other. Here's the
track list of the CD:
1. The Killing Hand (intro)
2. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (extended mix)
3. The Way It Used to Be
4. Home
5. Metropolis, Part 1
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Peruvian Skies
8. instruMENTAL (Dream Theater instrumental remix)
9. Learning to Live (the long version)
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Staccato alone doth not a musician make.
Message-ID: <005001bf3141$f2868280$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>will come up with some "democratic" view using his "freedom of speech"
>to put me down. :)
hurts," "Sherry Lewis sucks," and "Got Milk?" The chances of finding anyone
who disagrees with those statements are minimal, and should they rise up to
confront you, send them my way and I will see to it that they are put to a
swift, merciful death for the sake of preserving the human race (what's left
of it anyway). Hopefully they haven't spawned lest I am forced to slay
their progeny as well.
>define the word musician. Thank you, please drive through.
A) A person who has a lifetime subscription to one of the following
publications: Guitar World, Guitar for the Practicing Musician, Keyboard
magazine, Hit Parader, Rolling Stone, Better Horns and Gardens...
B) A person who has calloused hands.
C#) A person who shows signs of male pattern baldness.
D#) A person who can correctly tell you in what key you flatulate..
E) A person who know that sharp means "pointy" and flat means "pressed into
a thin shape." Example: "I'm gonna flatten you like a fucking pancake,
BOYEEEEEEE!!!!"
F#) A person who owns more than 30 CD's or knows another person who does.
G) A person with an unpronouncable last name. i.e.: Ptacek, N'degecello,
Petrucci, Kuprij, Spears...
A) A person who can count to four.
--
KorgX3 drives through pleasantly.
NP: Lauren Christy - s/t