YTSEJAM Digest 5193
Today's Topics:
1) facts vs. opinion
by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
2) tape
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
3) Grip Inc
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
4) re: imp. facts, Yngwie
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
5) US Tour Dates???
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
6) Xanadu Records
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5188
by Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
8) pissing the pink wall (revisited)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186
by Sebast87@aol.com
10) About Rudess...
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
11) Re: Amorphis' Tuonela...
by BloodMystX@aol.com
12) Re: No anti-Pink Floyd content in this post!
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
13) Re: facts vs. opinion
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
14) Re: Drumming debate...
by BloodMystX@aol.com
15) Re: pissing the pink wall (revisited)
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
16) Re: Grip Inc
by "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
17) Re: pissing the pink wall (re-revisited)
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
18) humor-impairedness (was: re: imp. facts)
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
19) Re: A question for the all the jammers...?
by BloodMystX@aol.com
20) Re: facts vs. opinion
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
21) alder vs labrie
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
22) Re: No anti-Pink Floyd content in this post!
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
23) RE: alder vs labrie
by David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:46:18 -0500
From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: facts vs. opinion
Message-ID: <3832DBDA.72DB646E@mail.rochester.edu>
> > PERSONAL OPINIONS AND TASTE:
> > - I HATE Pat Metheny;
> > - I can't stand Miles Davis and that kind of jazz music;
> >
> > FACTS, THE TRUTH:
> > - Pat Metheny is one hell of a guitarist and IS a legend. I
> RESPECT the
> > man greatly.
> > - Miles Davis is god in jazz music, the world doesn't need me to
> agree
> > or disagree - THAT IS THAT!
> > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > Can you see the difference? This is my point, and THE ONLY POINT
> I try
> > to make.
>
> No, I personally don't see much difference. They are merely
> opposite
> opinions. Sorry.
>
> I-Man
Well look at it this way. It is a FACT that the OPINION is held by the
large majority of jazz listeners that Miles Davis is a legend. You can
deny that and say it is your OPINION that Miles Davis is not a legend.
However, you cannot change the FACT that just about everybody else will
disagree with you. Therefore, why not use the transitive property and
make things a lot simpler for all of us and just agree that the
statement is true? While music is subjective from person to person,
there also is a certain element of objectivity you can add to the mix.
For example, while one person may hold the opinion that Empty Tremor is
the best prog band ever, I bet you'll find about 1000 people for that
one person who believe that DT is much better. Doesn't that make it safe
to say at this point that DT is a better and more respected prog band?
Sure there will always be some exceptions to the statement, But I think
when you start defining the importance of a band or artist to a
particular genre it's ok to add some objectivity to make things clearer.
Adam
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:58:41 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: tape
Message-ID: <v04210106b4588c5affc5@[192.168.1.1]>
>I wasn't in Hamburg, but I think that wasn't Slayer but Grip Inc. Don't
>just listen to the drums! ;-)
Haha, maybe ;-) I really liked Lombardo and I was quite disappointed
when he got sacked some years ago. I never really got into Grip Inc.,
though, and since I basically stopped listening to Slayer since
Divine Intervention I was just guessing. Whoever it was, the shouter
sounded hell of a lot like Araya ;-)
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:11:24 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Grip Inc Message-ID: <iss.6604.3832e1bb.85efd.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> Original Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:07:53 -0800 (PST) > > > >I wasn't in Hamburg, but I think that wasn't Slayer but Grip Inc. Don't > >just listen to the drums! ;-) > > Haha, maybe ;-) I really liked Lombardo and I was quite disappointed > when he got sacked some years ago. I never really got into Grip Inc., > though, and since I basically stopped listening to Slayer since > Divine Intervention I was just guessing. Whoever it was, the shouter > sounded hell of a lot like Araya ;-)
Speaking of, what's a good album from these guys to check out? I listened to one once and I really dug the music, but I didn't buy it because the production was so bad. Really muted, fuzzy sound, vocals too low in the mix. Are they all like that?
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: imp. facts, Yngwie Message-ID: <19991117173928.11344.rocketmail@web107.yahoomail.com>
MyrBones@aol.com wrote:
> this is in response to the comments made about what i wrote yesterday > about charlie being an amazing vocalist, and about steve howe being far > superior to JP. many of you wrote in hoping that was a joke. that is very > offensive and.... hurts me greatly
> Just my thoughts, > The Mayor
Ha! Dat vas a gud vone! Nice to see you back on the ytsejam Derek. Adding a little "piss 'n vinegar" again? ;o)
So are you going to release another Planet X recording with MacAlpine on guitar? Talking about guitar players, that guy can shred!
On a totally different subject, anyone see Yngwie on VH1? He was on a segment of "where are they now?" I think it was part of a "hair metal" show. Kinda cool to see someone other than Poison and Lita Ford on that show. Yngwie came off a little goofy when they had him talking in the studio. Oh well...
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:08:55 -0500 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: US Tour Dates??? Message-ID: <001801bf3126$d0288d20$76035a8c@nws.noaa.gov>
Has anyone heard any info as to when a US Met 2000 Tour schedule will be announced. I can't wait, anymore, I need the fix!!!
I-Man
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:15:43 -0500 From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Xanadu Records Message-ID: <NDBBKMFPMKNHENPACFDDAEIICCAA.rpark@space-dye.com>
Since everyone is posting their comments, I figure I'll add my two cents. I'd recommend being cautious with John DiBella as well.
Unfortunately, I too have had poor luck trading with him. In May 1998, we arranged a tape trade (I forget what I sent him, but he was supposed to send me a copy of the May 1998 Irving Plaza show). A couple of weeks after I sent my tapes to him, I e-mailed him asking the status of the tapes. He said that received my tapes, but he had some personal things come up, and that he'd send tapes to me in a month or two. I followed up with him in August 1998, and he claimed that he already sent my tapes. Unfortunately, I never received anything from him, and finally just gave up on the trade.
Ryan
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:40:54 -0800 (PST) From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5188 Message-ID: <19991117184054.12557.rocketmail@web1601.mail.yahoo.com>
> I have a nice collection of various DT mp3's...but i > used to get alot of > mp3's from the ftp address 129.22.243.106 > but as of recently its not there no more..can anyone > help me out and let me > know if this site just changed IP's or what..or if > anyone has any other ftp > adress' please let me know thanks!!! if you can > please email me as well as > posting! > thanks!! >
Use Napster at http://www.napster.com It is really cool and I've found EVERYTHING I needed.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:33:29 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: pissing the pink wall (revisited) Message-ID: <3832E6E9.2AB7DD6E@mol.com.mk>
> From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> > > > And they trick every generation of youngsters > > with that lousy old crappy philosophy. > > Well, there's only been really one generation that has > had to put up with this kind of crap. The thing that > irks me is that a lot of pre-pubescent girls listen to > those crooning losers carry on about how much their > heart aches for them (them=the girls) and they somehow > think all guys have no shame or dignity. That's the > sick thing.
Correctly. And the punks know what can influence teenage girls/boys in this crazy world and use it over and over again. It's repetative and always brings reuslts, at least until the young generations are educated right way and don't fall on such cheap tricks.
> From: Giannotti Nick > > Look at it this way: > > - L. Ron Hubbard is a prolific author. > - L. Ron Hubbard wrote the definitive doctrine on religion, and > the world doesn't need me to agree or disagree - THAT IS THAT!
Who is the guy anyway? :) Don't know him.
> The same applies to PF - just because someone on this list doesn't > like them doesn't mean it's WRONG for them not to like them, despite > the size of the PF fan base.
Yo, I never said it's WRONG not liking them. I said it's wrong bashing them or telling your "proofs" for the "They suck" thing. :) HUGE difference, and this is the differnce you fight for here. You see you also confuse the terms.
> Maybe I'm missing out on something.
might be pal. ;)
> >"If million people jump and drown in the river should I do the same?" > > I don't know - is this why you listen to Pink Floyd? :)
No, that's the reason I started the thread. Never learning the lesson damn it! :) The lesson: Ytsejam is world for itself that doesn't govern itself by the laws that works perfectly fine in the whole universe. :)
> From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> > > I'm sorry CyberDuke but I have to agree with Nick on this one. > Although your view may be shared by many, many people, it is > still not a FACT. .. > From WEBSTERS New Riverside University Dictionary:
But then you use "something" to prove me wrong. Accoring your logic Websters definition of opinion might be a personal opinion as well! :) Expanding this concept, you can't prove anything right. No way. And there you have it - chaos. And I'm sorry, but the universe doesn't work that way.
You see, it's science in basics. You HAVE TO TAKE refference point in order to prove somehting. You have to start from something that is absolute, true and go on from there. Otherwise you can't. Without refference point this world can't survive. Chaos.
Here you chose as refference point Websters dictionary. Nothing wrong with it, but it contradicts your philosophy.
> > Can you see the difference? This is my point, and THE ONLY > > POINT I try to make. > > No, I personally don't see much difference. They are merely > opposite opinions. Sorry.
Nevermind, I'm sorry to! :) Now all I need more is Ptacek joining the crew and start slamming me off the wall. ;o)
Yeah I see it now, it all comes down on the discussion "Is there ANYTHING absolute in this universe or not?"
- Folks who say NO, I don't plan to fight with or proving anything in this way; - those who say YES, I have no problem with on this matter. Afterall, it will all get cleared up eventually.
I don't dare giving example of ABSOLUTE things because I bet someone will come up with some "democratic" view using his "freedom of speech" to put me down. :) So I'll just stick to what I said in the paragraph above.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:49:13 EST From: Sebast87@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186 Message-ID: <0.c6bba059.256452a9@aol.com>
Hi! i'm a french member of the ytsejam and i have some problems with time signature... Could you help me please? here is what I understand : 4/4 = 16 1/4 notes per measure 3/4 = 12 1/4 notes per measure Now i'm not sure about it : 5/4 = 20 1/4 notes per measure now what i'm sure it's wrong : 9/4 = 36 1/4 notes per measure. So, could you give many examples please (stuff like 9/6, 8/2, 6/6, 8/3 if it exists??!) Thank you and sorry if it seems really dumb, but i just began drum 4 months ago and i just know 4/4)
SebasT http://members.aol.com/sebast87/page1.htm
PS : sunday i'm going to the DT show in Lyon, France. Waoooouuh!!! sooo coool! If you have the chance to see them in December in the US (i guess you're from the US), spock's beard will open for DT. In europe, it's tiles, they suck.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:53:16 EST From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: About Rudess... Message-ID: <19991117185316.66790.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
>Am I the only one that likes all three of them?? >I admit that their styles are different from each other; they >emphasize >different aspects of music. But to me that's what Dream >Theater is all >about, their music is very diverse. > >I don't wanna turn this into another Kevin vs Derek vs Jordan thread. >I >just want to point out that the differences are not as dramatically >as >some people on this list tend to think.
To clear up, at first, I DID like all three. It's just that I've gotten over the WOW stages of Rudess, and I DID see all he can do live. But his sound got old to me, quickly. I got tired of his style as well... or rather, his LEAD style. When he's in the background, or doing those double leads with Petrucci, it's cool. But his solos, and his patches... I dunno. I could be overly picky, and I could probably never play keyboard like that, but I'm a guitarist, so I don't have to. :) I definately admire the guy for his talent and skill, but if I were him, I'd use it a little differently. Dat's all I'm sayin'. :)
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:56:35 EST From: BloodMystX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Amorphis' Tuonela... Message-ID: <0.974c0166.25645463@aol.com>
<< How does "Tuonela" compare to the "My Kantele" single? Is it death metal? Is it rock'n'roll with death metal vocals? Is it progressive rock with death metal vocals? Any comments would be more than appreciated. >>
Tuonela really isn't anything like the "kantele" single...Tuonela is more like a very diverse rock, metalish style of music, with predominantly melodic vocals...The earlier albums showcased primarily Death Metal vocals, but there are very few on this new creation...Also, there are many areas utilizing unorthodox instruments, like the sitar or the mandolin for example...All in all, its a great album to buy...I suggest that everyone give it a shot...
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:20:15 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: No anti-Pink Floyd content in this post! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991117192015.0164b454@pi-r-squared.com>
>I am very sorry for saying that "[Music is] for musicians." Everyone >certainly has the right to buy whatever music they please. > >What I meant (and how I think most people took it) was "MAKING music is for >musicians." >
There would be some validity to this post if you could do one thing. Please define the word musician. Thank you, please drive through.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:29:12 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: facts vs. opinion Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991117192912.01656534@pi-r-squared.com>
> Well look at it this way. It is a FACT that the OPINION is held by the >large majority of jazz listeners that Miles Davis is a legend. You can >deny that and say it is your OPINION that Miles Davis is not a legend. >However, you cannot change the FACT that just about everybody else will >disagree with you. Therefore, why not use the transitive property and >make things a lot simpler for all of us and just agree that the >statement is true? While music is subjective from person to person, >there also is a certain element of objectivity you can add to the mix.
Actually, I would say a statement like "Miles Davis is a jazz legend" IS fact. He is one of the most written about, talked about, listened to Jazz Players out there. However, being a legend does not necessarily equate to BEING GOOD. You'll read a lot of movie or music reviews where people would be sarcastic and say things like: of course it doesn't match up with "movie legeneds" like Citizen Kane, but who cares. Greatest and Legend imply to different things. The word Greatest is an adjective, more than that is a subjective one. The word legend is a noun, and more over it is a fact. Legends are decided by unwritten popular concensus. John Waters is a legendary cult filmmaker. Fact. However, most film critics dismiss him as an exploitative hack. See what I mean? The word does not imply any preset opinion. A person can be a legend and still not be respected (also look at Ed Wood)! In conclusion: Miles Davis is a legend. Fact. Miles Davis is one of the greatest jazz players ever, opinion. Sorry if all that was a bit redundant.
Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:18:09 EST From: BloodMystX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Drumming debate... Message-ID: <0.29d1fc6b.25645971@aol.com>
<< 2. I am so sick and tired of people worshiping MP. > He would certainly rank at the bottom of any music > lovers list of great drummers, if he even made my > list. He just cant compare with top notch drummers > like Lars Ulrich, Charlie Watts, Tommy Lee, Alex > Vanhalen or even Kid Rock. I saw a Kid Rock show, > and that man has the most energy behind the set in > the industry. >>
Now...First thing is first...This is a very subjective issue right here...But the words in which you spoke are almost offensive in a way...I completely don't understand the reason behind the statement...Comparing MP to the likes of Kid Rock is like comparing Houdini to my little sister showing me her newest magic trick...Portnoy is a genius behind the kit, but not quite the aggressor he was before...He knows how to roll around any odd time signature, like 7/8, 11/8, or even 21/16...But now, he just doesn't do it...He only throws out odd time when its called for...The technical grooves that are displayed on SFaM are beyond incredible...Everytime I hear them, its like "Wow...Superb...Excellent..." Remember, all of this is still subjective...This is what I think...Just keep that in mind, and you'll find all you need with your...nevermind...
PS: To the guy that says "moo"...That rules!
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:33:24 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: pissing the pink wall (revisited) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991117193324.01694210@pi-r-squared.com>
>Yeah I see it now, it all comes down on the discussion "Is there >ANYTHING absolute in this universe or not?" >
I'm with Jefferson: "Nothing is unchangeable or absolute, except the inalienable rights of man" sorry if that's a bit corny. ;) I place no stock in scientific method btw... but I respect those who do. :)
Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:25:09 GMT From: "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Grip Inc Message-ID: <19991117192509.48129.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Speaking of, what's a good album from these guys to check out? I listened >to one once and I really dug the music, but I didn't buy it because the >production was so bad. Really muted, fuzzy sound, vocals too low in the >mix. Are they all like that? > >-Brian > > Brian... If you are talking about Grip, Inc., you should try their "Power of Inner Strength album... it's the first one that they did and **IMO** their best. Lombardo rips it up on this one!
poj
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:25:39 -0500 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: pissing the pink wall (re-revisited) Message-ID: <002901bf3131$88b22cc0$76035a8c@nws.noaa.gov>
----- Original Message ----- ]From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 1:55 PM Subject: pissing the pink wall (revisited)
<snip> > > From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> > > > > I'm sorry CyberDuke but I have to agree with Nick on this one. > > Although your view may be shared by many, many people, it is > > still not a FACT. > .. > > From WEBSTERS New Riverside University Dictionary: > > But then you use "something" to prove me wrong. Accoring your logic > Websters definition of opinion might be a personal opinion as well! :) > Expanding this concept, you can't prove anything right. No way. And > there you have it - chaos. And I'm sorry, but the universe doesn't work > that way.
Yes I provided a definition to prove my point and attempt to get you to accept that what you are posing as FACTS are indeed OPINIONS. Yes, Websters is one source which provides definitions of words, however, I don't think it in any way can it be considered an opinion.
> You see, it's science in basics. You HAVE TO TAKE refference point in > order to prove somehting. You have to start from something that is > absolute, true and go on from there. Otherwise you can't. Without > refference point this world can't survive. Chaos.
You are right about potential for chaos and I agree that the universe doesn't work without a basic set of rules to define our world. For the english language the rules for the meaning of words happens to be contained in the dictionary, which is why I used it. In this case, the reference is the dictionary. Why are you ignoring the accepted reference (by you, below) for the definition of the word "opinion." I believe you are actually supporting my argument now.
> Here you chose as refference point Websters dictionary. Nothing wrong > with it, but it contradicts your philosophy. > > > > Can you see the difference? This is my point, and THE ONLY > > > POINT I try to make. > > > > No, I personally don't see much difference. They are merely > > opposite opinions. Sorry. > > Nevermind, I'm sorry to! :) > Now all I need more is Ptacek joining the crew and start slamming me off > the wall. ;o)
I don't see how I contradicted anything. What philosophy?
SUBMIT DAMMIT! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! ;-)
> > Yeah I see it now, it all comes down on the discussion "Is there > ANYTHING absolute in this universe or not?"
Have you seen the Matrix? Cool concept.
> > - Folks who say NO, I don't plan to fight with or proving anything in > this way; > - those who say YES, I have no problem with on this matter. > Afterall, it will all get cleared up eventually. > > I don't dare giving example of ABSOLUTE things because I bet someone > will come up with some "democratic" view using his "freedom of speech" > to put me down. :) So I'll just stick to what I said in the paragraph > above.
I wouldn't attempt it either. Everything I thought of as absolute I'm sure could be argued against :-)
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:32:27 PST From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: humor-impairedness (was: re: imp. facts) Message-ID: <19991117193228.33582.qmail@hotmail.com>
wow...It never ceases to amaze me how many people on this list are humor-impaired. (yes, I know I'm lifting this right out of Dave Barry's mouth, so please don't point that out =^)
EXAMPLE: one guy attempts to make a joke, I.E. "whatever happened to that Kevin Moore loser? last I heard he was doing time in Texas for distribution of child pornography"
now, some might see this and say "ha ha. that's funny, because KevMo is the last person I'd suspect of that (DS maybe, but I digress...) another person might say "hey, that's not funny. it's not fair to make fun of KevMo, even if he is a pervert". Both of these responses are correct, because the reader has recognized that the statement was supposed to be funny. However, the individual who responds: "WHAT THE FUCK?? I may be on drugs, but you're on drugs!" has proven himself to be humor impaired, because he takes an obvious joke very serioulsy.
FOR FUTURE REFERENCE: WHENEVER YOU SEE SOMEONE ON A MAILING LIST FOR DT FANS MAKE DUMB ACCUSATIONS OF ANY OF THE BAND MEMBERS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS ALMOST DEFINITELY A JOKE, SO PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND, ESPECIALLY NOT TO THE WHOLE 'JAM!
Banjoman will now come out of rant-mode. Thank you for your patience
np: Sfam (the part that starts 4:21 of track 5 (i'll call it the silly/twisted part)is the best part of the whole CD, imho)
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:51:53 EST From: BloodMystX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: A question for the all the jammers...? Message-ID: <0.4d2ac2f3.25646159@aol.com>
Greetings...This is in no relevance to anything mentioned previously (unless I don't know about it)...But, I'm a fairly new jammer, and I was curious how prevalent metal is in each jammer's music collection? For example, Amorphis was originally part of the underground Death Metal scene, and now they are more rocky, but still--Jammers apparently know who they are...I wonder if the same goes for the new school of death metal, like Cryptopsy, Cephalic Carnage, Vile, or Pentagoria? What about the new age of Black Metal, like Cradle of Filth, Dimmu Borgir, or Kovenant (as I've seen someone post already)? Perhaps an idea is maybe each jammer gives a top 5 current playlist...? Thanks for everyone's time...Here's my top 5 right now...
1. DT-SFaM 2. Steve Vai-Sex and Religion ("in my dreams with you," what a great song!) 3. Cynic-Focus 4. Angra-Fireworks 5. Cryptopsy-None So Vile
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:58:38 -0500 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: facts vs. opinion Message-ID: <004601bf3136$23d32b60$76035a8c@nws.noaa.gov>
I agree. Miles Davis is a jazz legend. I believe that is a fact. Do you agree with CyberDuke's original post with the statement that Pat Metheny is a jazz legend? I do not. That is my opinion. Oh shit, this is nuts!
> Actually, I would say a statement like "Miles Davis is a jazz legend" IS > fact. He is one of the most written about, talked about, listened to Jazz > Players out there. However, being a legend does not necessarily equate to > BEING GOOD. You'll read a lot of movie or music reviews where people would > be sarcastic and say things like: of course it doesn't match up with "movie > legeneds" like Citizen Kane, but who cares. Greatest and Legend imply to > different things. The word Greatest is an adjective, more than that is a > subjective one. The word legend is a noun, and more over it is a fact. > Legends are decided by unwritten popular concensus. John Waters is a > legendary cult filmmaker. Fact. However, most film critics dismiss him as an > exploitative hack. See what I mean? The word does not imply any preset > opinion. A person can be a legend and still not be respected (also look at > Ed Wood)! In conclusion: Miles Davis is a legend. Fact. Miles Davis is one > of the greatest jazz players ever, opinion. Sorry if all that was a bit > redundant. > > Palpatine > Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian > of Anime-no-kai > "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel > "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope > "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his > house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:54:13 -0800 (PST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com> To: "DT list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: alder vs labrie Message-ID: <19991117205413.12149.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com>
snob wrote: >First of all, as someone pointed out, a live cd is never the optimal medium >from which to judge a vocalist.
I think how a vocalist sounds live really is the best to judge how good they really are. A typical studio disc probably involves many takes and overdubs and all that whereas a live performance is straight up and real for the most part. A live cd though can also have overdubs and the recording equipment at the show can be lacking. A live cd can give you a general feel of how the vocalist sounds naturally without for the most part technical fixups. So I guess an in person live show is the best way to rate a vocalist.
I think anybody would sound better on a studio cd than a live cd.
NP:nothing
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:15:19 -0800 (PST) From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: No anti-Pink Floyd content in this post! Message-ID: <19991117211519.3176.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
> Imagine what the reaction would be if I had said I *gasp* LIKED Derek > Sherinian... > (Tomorrow there will be a dozen posts saying "Well, THAT explains > everything...")
Yeah, good for you to come out of your closet, but I'll tell you, I'm on the MoneyShot list (the DS band, Planet X mailing list...)...
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:17:30 -0700 From: David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: alder vs labrie Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117936@MESSAGING>
> I think how a vocalist sounds live really is the best > to judge how good they really are.
IMHO, Alder is not nearly as adventurous live as LaBrie, and isn't running around the stage with quite the ferver that LaBrie is, thus is bound to make less vocal mistakes. I think LaBrie sounds great in the recordings of the semi-acoustic Christmas shows, when he wasn't jumping around...
Alder is definitely quite the vocalist, but I don't think his voice is nearly as expressive as LaBrie's (especially when comparing APSoG to SFaM). I think Terry Brown did a very good job of letting James' natural color, tone, and inflection shine through on SFaM, as opposed to previous DT releases, which were a little over-produced in the vocal department, IMHO.
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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