YTSEJAM Digest 5183
Today's Topics:
1) Tiles live
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5182
by Dustro2@aol.com
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5182
by Dustro2@aol.com
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5182
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5182
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) The show 11th of november..
by "JOSKOE" <joskoe@rendo.dekooi.nl>
7) Re: Hell's Kitchen...
by BloodMystX@aol.com
8) Zwolle show
by Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
9) dirty look at the mic swinging guy
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
10) Re: tiles/DT
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
11) Just a thought
by Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
12)
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
13) Zwolle gig (spoiler(?))
by Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
14) Re: [themirror] Re: YTSEJAM digest 5181
by "Ryan Soliman" <soliman@rohan.sdsu.edu>
15) details, man, i want details!
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
16) Korg has to play "daddy"
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
17) Wav to cda?
by Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@totalise.co.uk>
18) Superb vocalist available !
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
19) RE: Superb vocalist available !
by "Webb, Ryan M." <RWebb@spectrapoint.com>
20) Re: SFAM: Is it just me?
by WAxlRose01@aol.com
21) Re: details, man, i want details!
by Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
22) Re: SFAM: Is it just me?
by Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
23) New DT fans...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
24) Re: Bootleg Request
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
25) James on SFAM....
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
26) re: SFAM: Is it just me?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
27) Re: Too much time on my hands (Moi Aussi)
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
28) Re: Pink Floyd (was: "spelling")
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
29) MP Sloppy? No Way!!!
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:28:36 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Tiles live
Message-ID: <382B8964.4A6A44A5@home.com>
Trevor said:
> I really like the Tiles cds, especially the first two, but from all the
> reviews coming in, it sounds like they either suck live, or that
> Europeans just don't like them. What's the verdict?
Well, I've seen them live FIVE times, and each time it was a good show.
Like Dave Thomas said they're not flashy or anything, but sound very
close to their CDs.
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:34:48 EST
From: Dustro2@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5182
Message-ID: <0.3dc24d7a.255ce4d8@aol.com>
Ok, Im a big VH fan and I am on of the Few people that like every stage of VH
the same... I like Sam, Dave, and Gary the new Album is just as good as
anyonter VH album...They all fit well in the band in there own little special
way... This does not mean that im sad to see Gary go but I did like him in
there...I saw VH twice with Gary and both were great shows...he fit perf!
This was the first time in like 14 years that VH played thoes old David songs
live...That was the bad thing bout Sammy, he refused to play the old david
stuff like Mean Streats, and Icecream man... I love Sammy, and i have seen
him 3 times once with VH. But when you see VH with Sammy in the band you
know you are only getting half of what they really have to offer...Now i just
recently saw David open up for Bad.co (Bad co. sucked by the way) and Dimond
Dave was great!! HE had long hair again(well plugs) and he played all VH
stuff! it was great... He still knows how to Party!!I met up with him after
the show and got my pic and he signed my tic! I asked him " what are the
chances of u and Eddie working things out?" and he said "Just you wait" I was
confused by all this only till now...i guss he thinks they will ask him to
come back. I dont think so but u never know!! the Door is open... now we can
only wait.
later,
Dustro
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:08:58 EST
From: Dustro2@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5182
Message-ID: <0.4ee8d83f.255cecda@aol.com>
ok I just cought the Vai show and i just shit my pants...soo im going to bed
and ill give all the details tomarrow!!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
dustro
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:28:14 -0600
From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5182
Message-ID: <008101bf2cc6$5ea3c0c0$93988ad1@boner>
you better clean yourself up, or you'll be itchy in the morning. :-)
> ok I just cought the Vai show and i just shit my pants...soo im going to
bed
> and ill give all the details tomarrow!!
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:19:54 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5182
Message-ID: <001101bf2ccd$93b51820$4a0d84d0@safelink.net>
>>cought the Vai show and i just shit my pants...soo im going to bed
> you better clean yourself up, or you'll be itchy in the morning. :-)
Jeez. I better make sure I clean myself thoroughly lest I wake up as Mark
tomorrow, too. :)
-- KorgX3 grabs a wet washcloth and some Formula 409.------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:58:28 +0100 From: "JOSKOE" <joskoe@rendo.dekooi.nl> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The show 11th of november.. Message-ID: <000901bf2ce3$b52eba40$9c643dc3@x2i6z0>
Yesterday i was at the show in Zwolle. I was totally blown away. When Jordan played his solo..i almost had tears in my eyes...(and I'm a drummer!) It was really cool. Today I have an exam(school) and I think I am going to mess it all up;-)
one word describing the show: brweeughsssttjff (say this out loud and pretend a shiver down your spine;-)))
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:45:42 EST From: BloodMystX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Hell's Kitchen... Message-ID: <0.d2e8043d.255d2db6@aol.com>
Hell's Kitchen...
<< I'd have to second that idea that Hell's Kitchen is a great song. I guess that's my not-so-subtle hint, based on the concept that numbers will mean something. Maybe DT will consider playing this song live for the tour... >>
I personally believe that "Hell's Kitchen" is one of, if not THE BEST songs on FII...The structuring for an instrumental is wonderful with themes and foreshadowing...And, the kicker is high point right before it starts ritarding...The chord change is beautiful with the harmonies complimenting it so...Also, just for the record, "Anna Lee" and "Hollow Years" are runner-ups for fave track from FII...Merely another opinion stretching out of one of the ten-thousand lakes...Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:31:55 +0100 From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Zwolle show Message-ID: <382BDE8B.190A@wxs.nl>
Hi there,
A couple of things: A review of the Zwolle show is up in the 'music' section at http://w3m3.fortysecond.net. Check it out. Also, I'd like to know if someone can help me to find out what the band is that was on the PA before DT started. It sounded kind of weird, with many musical influences thrown into one track, reversed spoken parts, Indian scales (I think), that kind of thing. Help would be appreciated, because I'd like to check them out... -- \= Richard Karsmakers - richard@fortysecond.net - ICQ #18645533 =/ | STNICCC2000; Dawn Crosby; GWAR; Diskmags; Shred Guitar; Allies | | "ST NEWS"; "W3M3"; "Twilight World"; Plantiac; "UVK 2000" | | FOG; Detente; Fear of God; Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged | | P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands | /===--------------- http://www.fortysecond.net ---------------===\
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:52:06 CET From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: dirty look at the mic swinging guy Message-ID: <19991112115206.41994.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all, i was in hannover and i rememeber that, but i think i also remember that mike pushed the mike(:),) away a couple of times when he shouldn't have and then just need it back real quick and the drumtech jut missed that he had pushed it back in the first place. just my idea, seb
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:57:18 +0100 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: tiles/DT Message-ID: <382C009E.4A4F7AAA@home.se>
No, I have to admit I wasn't joking. Just sloppy reading :o)
Cheers!
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet [ http://sdts.cjb.net ] - [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
Janne Jokitalo wrote:
> --- "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> wrote: > > > > "mic pushing guy" mess up and MP shot him a dirty look that said > > > I'm curious about how you heard that conversation? Did everyone stop > > playing while Mike yelled at the microphone guy? > > ..shot him a dirty LOOK that said... > > NOT Mike said... > > But anyway, you're probably joking...just had to check out...
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:03:10 +0100 From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Just a thought Message-ID: <382C1E1E.DC6@wxs.nl>
I was watching "Live in Tokyo" today and I wondered... If James hadn't worn the Napalm Death T-shirt on the "Pull me Under" video clip, but a Garth Brooks one...would Garth have sung "Damage Inc." at the Ronnie Scotts gig? :-) -- \= Richard Karsmakers - richard@fortysecond.net - ICQ #18645533 =/ | STNICCC2000; Dawn Crosby; GWAR; Diskmags; Shred Guitar; Allies | | "ST NEWS"; "W3M3"; "Twilight World"; Plantiac; "UVK 2000" | | FOG; Detente; Fear of God; Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged | | P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands | /===--------------- http://www.fortysecond.net ---------------===\
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:22:42 +0100 From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC433E@julia.um.be>
<balls' or 'platt opus'? Am I the only one who thinks LTE was the worst of <the recent side projects? Granted, parts of Mullmuzzler kinda sucked, <but.....)
There are surely NOT many people with this opinion... At least I am not a part of them... On the contrary, IMHO this is/was the best one... Incredible creativity...
HeinV
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:49:50 +0100 From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Zwolle gig (spoiler(?)) Message-ID: <382C290E.8E3E7E2F@cable.a2000.nl>
hi there,
yesterday I attended the zwolle gig, which was my 4th DT concert.
We arrived at the ijsselhal at about 19.30, where a long line of people was already waiting. By the time we got in, Tiles was already playing. I only heard 3 or 4 songs. I don't think the music was bad, but they lacked stage-presence (IMO), and I couldn't get into it.
The Dream Theater concert was awesome. I was standing the front, at Jordan's sight. His keyboard was placed in a way that you could see both his hands, while he played, which was pretty cool. I think the setlist was the same as the previous concerts.
The LTE-medley consisted of the intro to Paradigm Shift followed by the first part of Universal Mind, until Jordan's piano part. John Myung played along with the guitar lines. So it sounded a little different from the cd where Tony Levin was doing his own stuff most of the time. After that Jordan played a long keyboard solo, where he also used some sequencer riffs. The solo was very cool to watch, although it ended up being sort of a Kurzweil demonstration (IMO).
During UAGM, James held the mic in front of John P's face who tried to sing some of the higher notes and totally screwed up. Mike was kind enough to throw one of his ProMark 420 sticks to me (thanks Mike!). And afterwards, Jonh M and James signed my ticket. I was too tired to wait for the others to come out.
It was a good show, and the positive thing is that they seemed more cheer- ful then in the past and Jordan seemed totally into the music.
Cya, Marc
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:07:49 -0800 From: "Ryan Soliman" <soliman@rohan.sdsu.edu> To: <themirror@egroups.com>, <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: [themirror] Re: YTSEJAM digest 5181 Message-ID: <000c01bf2d1e$f8d2da20$abd664d8@doneal>
>DREAM THEATER - SCENES FROM A MEMORY (Joel A+, Tim A-) Elektra, 1999 >[ http://www.dreamtheater.net ] >12 tracks, RT: 77:12 >Joel: Legendary progressive metal outfit Dream Theater returns to >action with their new release, METROPOLIS PT. 2: SCENES FROM A MEMORY. >The pre-release hype for this album (such as it was) originally called >for a more traditional album that featured the long-awaited sequel to >"Metropolis--Part I" off the band's breakthrough disc IMAGES AND >WORDS. While "Metropolis Pt. 2" was initially going to be a 25-minute >epic, the band eventually extended it to fill up an entire album. The >end result is new release SCENES FROM A MEMORY, an excellent concept >album that seriously challenges AWAKE as my favorite Dream Theater >disc. While it's place among DT fans will be decided in the months and >years ahead, I think I can speak for most fans when I say that SCENES >is a redemption from 1997's disappointing release FALLING INTO >INFINITY. > >Tim: I've already decided its place, #3 behind IMAGES and AWAKE, but >honestly, there isn't a huge difference between them all. (It's like >picking a favorite "Star Wars" movie from the original trilogy--you >can debate and nitpick, but compared to everything else out there they >all rule.) But I must say I think I'm tiring of the whole prog/metal >scene a little, because I probably should've shit myself when I heard >SCENES...but I didn't. Sure it's great but I just don't think DT can >ever again release an album that will immediately and profoundly >impact me the way IMAGES did, when I first heard "Pull Me Under." >(Although, they do still seem to have that affect on newbies. I let a >co-worker borrow SCENES the other day and by quitting time, he was on >Amazon.com, ordering copies for himself and a friend!) > >J: That's a great analogy, comparing those three DT albums to Star >Wars (everyone knows the order goes Empire, New Hope, Jedi, right?). >Thankfully I'm not an old fart like Tim, so I can fully enjoy SCENES >in all its masturbatory glory (hey, that rhymes!). But seriously, the >music on this album is *amazing*, a real throwback to the I&W days. >New keyboardist Jordan Rudess makes an excellent addition to the >group, as his style fits the band much better than Derek Sherinian >did. Rudess' dueling solo with Petrucci at the end of "Fatal Tragedy" >is just awesome. I completely geeked-out the first time I heard that >segment. > >T: Yeah, ya little shit, you enjoy that masturbating. Just don't go >blind. I'm not saying I don't dig the music, which *is* amazing, it's >just that besides the token ballads "Through Her Eyes" and "The Spirit >Carries On"--which are both good--and the comfortably numb Pink Floyd- >ian parts Pete talked about last week there isn't much here in the way >of concise songwriting. But that's obviously not what they were going >for, so no skin off their asses. They wanted to be all OTT progressive >and play a thousand miles per hour, and they did. I just wish some of >the cool heavy parts were as hooky/memorable as the mellow stuff... > >J: If I'm goin' blind, my dear friend, it's not from the masturbating >but rather your breathtaking logic. "There isn't much here in the way >of concise songwriting." Huh? Did you confuse DT with your Menudo CD >again? You must be, because the heavier songs on this album are >certainly memorable for me. The main riff on "Overture 1928" is >classic DT all the way, ranking up there with the great ones like "A >Change Of Seasons" and "Under A Glass Moon." In addition, the heavy, >almost grungy lead on "Home" is a wonderful counterpart to the sitar >intro and general weirdness of the song. I also really enjoy the >little bits of the original "Metropolis" that they sprinkled >throughout this track and "The Dance Of Eternity," because they manage >to lift stuff almost directly without making it sound cheesy in the >process. I will grant you that these songs aren't as instantly >gratifying as something like "Pull Me Under," but I don't agree with >the sentiment that they aren't "concise." Few bands can make a twelve- >minute epic go by quickly, but Dream Theater manages it. Even so, I >listen to this disc more for the overall experience than a few >individual tracks. And as an experience, SCENES FROM A MEMORY is a >worthy successor to my second-favorite DT song ("A Mind Beside Itself" >is number one, of course). > >T: Settle down, Beavis. Before this gets out of hand lemme just say >this is like splitting hairs here. When a band puts out material this >good I almost feel obligated to try and find something wrong with it! >A lot of these songs have about *10* songs' worth of riffage and >subtlety packed into them--I'd love to hear the viciously cool groove >in "Strange Deja Vu" given its own full song, instead of just parts >here and there--and I admit sometimes this gets to be too much. But I >gave it an A-, I like the album. The psychotically fast keyboard and >guitar solos, and the crazy Tetris-like flourish, in "Fatal Tragedy" >have to be heard to be believed, and I really dig the evil Eastern/ >Egyptian/Arabian (let's just call it "exotic") flair given to the epic >"Home." And, per usual with prog metal, there are countless little >cool parts scattered throughout these 77+ minutes. I'm glad DT >rebounded from the subpar FALLING INTO INFINITY, but these guys are so >good they're cursed: What can they possibly do to really, truly get >any better?
Hey Eric, Thanks for the transcript. That was a REAL interesting review.
ryan
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:15:37 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: details, man, i want details! Message-ID: <19991112151537.77853.qmail@hotmail.com>
is there any site out there with details on Mike Bahr's boots?
(and please, spare the jam any debate on the morality of such items or their creator, it's all been said already)
as for Tiles' live shows, they are a mixed bag.....if you're into shows for the music, you'll enjoy their performance.....but if the visual/stage presence is necessary for you to enjoy a show, you might not have the greatest time watching Tiles.
I've seen them three times, for what it's worth. The first time, I went in not knowing who was who in the band, and watching from the bar area. basically. Seeing a guy jump around in "stereotypically" lead guitar poses, i figured that was Chris Herin (although, to my credit, I was thinking, "Holy Shit, that's a huge guitar") That guy turned out to be the bassist, Jeff Whittle. He's got the most "moves" on the stage, and is the guy that's having the most obvious fun out there.
You can also catch drummer Pat Deleon cracking a few smiles between his monster drumming spasms.
On the other end, Paul Rarick (vocals) and Chris Herin are pretty serious up on stage. They smile, and all that, but they don't jump around and engage the crowd extensively. Rarick, as was criticized by someone at a Euro show, does pretty much look bored right up until the second he starts singing.
so, like i said, if the SHOW is the thing for you, then you might be disappointed by Tiles.....but, I think their music is good enough to carry the performance.....
and just like Dave said, keep in mind that this review, too, is from a guy that doesn't consider SFAM the be all and end all of music as we know it :)
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:21:44 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Korg has to play "daddy" Message-ID: <001f01bf2d21$a98faf80$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
> Thanks for the transcript. That was a REAL interesting review.
Aye, the review was good, but did you have to repost the whole damn thing just to put your one line reply?
Please, people, it's just common e-mail courtesy, especially in a forum like this, to include only 2 or 3 lines of "reply filler." It just gets annoying having to scroll through something you've already read, searching for the sender's message, only to read a one-liner reply.
I've just been seeing more and more of this of late and thought this might be a good time to attempt to curb it.
It's, uhm, also one of the rules of the list. :) -- KorgX3 thinks people who talk about their dogs need to be shot. "Oh, he was just so cute and cuddly. You shou..." *BAM BAM!*
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:31:50 +0000 From: Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@totalise.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Wav to cda? Message-ID: <38321291@mail.totalise.co.uk>
Hi Does anyone out there know how to convert .wav files to .cda (cd audio) and record them onto a CD using a CD writer?
Please email me privately
Thanks very much
Simon
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:01:04 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> To: "ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Superb vocalist available ! Message-ID: <382C47D0.3A9F5E5C@hm.telia.no>
Hello ! I know an American vocalist who would like to join a quality band. He`s experienced and has released a cd with Alchemy X. If you know any bands that need a vocalist, please get in touch with me for more info.
Hope to hear from you, Bye, Bj=F8rnar, Norway ! NP: Valley`s Eve- The Atmosphere of Silence --=20 Writer for: Barcode: http://zap.to/barcode Through Different Eyes: http://hem2.passagen.se/caxen/ Renegade Online Magazine: http://www.renegaderock.com.br/ DJ for Seismic Radio Mondays 6-7pm: http://www.seismicradio.com/
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:20:21 -0600 From: "Webb, Ryan M." <RWebb@spectrapoint.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Superb vocalist available ! Message-ID: <8D9A3E0C6F42D1118EDC0060081D3FFA01D8450E@ucusmail.SpectraPoint.com>
I heard Van Halen needs one :)
-----Original Message----- ]From: Bj=F8rnar Bevolden [mailto:bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no] Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 10:07 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Superb vocalist available !
Hello ! I know an American vocalist who would like to join a quality band. He`s experienced and has released a cd with Alchemy X. If you know any bands that need a vocalist, please get in touch with me for more info.
Hope to hear from you, Bye, Bj=3DF8rnar, Norway ! NP: Valley`s Eve- The Atmosphere of Silence --=3D20 Writer for: Barcode: http://zap.to/barcode Through Different Eyes: http://hem2.passagen.se/caxen/ Renegade Online Magazine: http://www.renegaderock.com.br/ DJ for Seismic Radio Mondays 6-7pm: http://www.seismicradio.com/
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:57:16 EST From: WAxlRose01@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFAM: Is it just me? Message-ID: <0.ef3dbc80.255da0ec@aol.com>
Personally, I think SFAM is DT's 2nd best album. Awake is and always has been my favorite, not just for DT, but it's also my favorite album of all time. SFAM isn't really an album, it's more of a story. It's fantastic, but when you listen to it in just bits and pieces, it's not as satisfying as the whole. Here's my ranking: Awake SFAM IAW LATM OIAL ACOS WDADU
If I could, I'd put the Hollow Years single somewhere at the top. The Way It Used To Be is one of Dream Theater's greatest songs.
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:20:49 +0100 From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: details, man, i want details! Message-ID: <382C4C71.8A5866D6@cable.a2000.nl>
Hi there,
> as for Tiles' live shows, they are a mixed bag.....if you're into shows for > the music, you'll enjoy their performance.....but if the visual/stage > presence is necessary for you to enjoy a show, you might not have the > greatest time watching Tiles. I mentioned that Tiles had no stage presence, and I do enjoy shows were it's mostly about the music (like Dream Theater for example). But with Tiles I just had the impression that their guitarist just wasn't into the music himself that much. That's just how he appeared. My piano teacher taught me several times that playing music is more than accurately playing the notes from the score. Once you know a peace well enough to play it without thinking about it, you can add more 'feel' to it. That's when you're making music. I think the major difference between DT and most of the newer progmetal bands is not that DT's music is that much more complex or technical, but the fact that all of them play their parts with great ease and don't have to stare on their instruments all the time. I'm not saying that Tiles was THAT bad, but the contrast with DT was very big.
All IMHO of course.
> and just like Dave said, keep in mind that this review, too, is from a guy > that doesn't consider SFAM the be all and end all of music as we know it > :) Me neither, allthough it's been quite addicting lately. ;-)
Cya, Marc
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:27:33 +0100 From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFAM: Is it just me? Message-ID: <382C4E05.C5B50510@cable.a2000.nl>
Awake has been my favourite as well. I don't know if SFAM will top it in the long run. One difference is that it took me several listens before I started to enjoy Awake. The months after that, I listened to almost nothing but Awake. I liked SFAM right away, but I'm not listening as intensively as with Awake.
> Personally, I think SFAM is DT's 2nd best album. Awake is and always has > been my favorite, not just for DT, but it's also my favorite album of all
Marc
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: New DT fans... Message-ID: <19991112173608.6527.rocketmail@web115.yahoomail.com>
]From a review that was posted:
> I let a co-worker borrow SCENES the other day and by quitting time, > he was on Amazon.com, ordering copies for himself and a friend!)
I think this scene may be repeating itself. I've been trying to get some people into DT for years. No amount of subtle brainwashing has worked. After awhile, they could identify DT in two notes, and say "turn that off! Put on Fear Factory". After a forced listen to SFAM, they were blown away! They said things like "this is a totally different band", "so many different things going on" (huh? didn't you guys listen before?). One guy went out and picked up one for himself and his brother immeadiatly.
I don't know what the hugh difference is, but it seems like SFaM may be bringing in some new fans.
- BH
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:37:38 -0500 (EST) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Bootleg Request Message-ID: <199911121737.MAA432749@gl.umbc.edu>
I am very curious and very VERY interested in getting a bootleg of Dream Theater's 1998 Christmas show at The Electric Factory in Philly. I already have an .mp3 of "Since I've Been Lovin' You" from the same show, so i know at least parts of it have been recorded. If anyone has ANY information about this I'd appreciate it. Private email at:
would be great. Thanks,
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:30:49 -0600 From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: James on SFAM.... Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B15CC5A@bham-xchg>
Guys,
Ok, so I've heard a whole bunch "2 cents" from people about SFAM, and there is one critisism I just don't get. "James sucks as usual...". Now I'm sorry but I disagree - James kicks my arse, he has done on all the CDs, and this one is no exception. He really comes over well on SFAM, he nails all the parts, puts across emotion and power when its required, he's great...!
I don't want to start a "James Rules/Sucks" flame war, this is just my opinion....but as far as I'm concerned James is da man for DT, and long live this particular line up...!
Dave (a UK jammer - rants as usual).
NP: Kings X - Tape Head (but SFAM is staring at me from my desk...I may have to put it on in a sec....).
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: SFAM: Is it just me? Message-ID: <19991112211416.24793.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com>
"Lee Wilson" <devnull@ad1440.net> wrote:
> Am I the only one who thinks that SFAM may be DT's best work since IAW?
Yep, you're the only one. ;)
Obviously, it's DT's best work since Awake...
All kidding aside, I don't see any real need to compare I&W, Awake, or SFAM. They all get "10/10" in my book...
my $0.02, BH
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:24:58 EST From: DTGirl2612@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Too much time on my hands (Moi Aussi) Message-ID: <0.972b273c.255ddfaa@aol.com>
>From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> >>Al wrote> >>in "Perfect Symmetry", he'd have to be 720 feet tall and weigh >>15 U.S. tons. <short> (219.5 meters - 13607.3 kilograms) > >Oooh. That was an insult if I've ever heard one. heheheh. Please be more >conservative Al! :) You're saying in order for my to be proportionate, I'd >have to have equal to a 1" pee pee. hehehe. Doh! (gets the tweezers and >magnifying glass and heads for the bathroom) >
Ouchie - yo have my sympatheeeeeeeeeee Korgieeeeeee
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:24:52 EST From: DTGirl2612@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pink Floyd (was: "spelling") Message-ID: <0.cccaeae2.255ddfa4@aol.com>
>From: Brian Deuel <bdeuel@pathwaynet.com>
>> >Pink Floyd 'Dark Side Of The Moon' of course >> >>Pshaw. I hate that band. > >Man, do I ever agree with you. Even when I WAS a druggie, they put me to >sleep. They were boring, and will always BE boring.
Would it surprise you to know that DSOTM is John Petrucci's fave Floyd album then? (She smirked)
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:24:57 EST From: DTGirl2612@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: MP Sloppy? No Way!!! Message-ID: <0.d3d2d65e.255ddfa9@aol.com>
>From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> > >>Hey Jammers- >> A friend that knows that DT is my fave band told me yesterday that her >>friend that is a drum instructer said that MP is a sloppy drummer!! > >Umm.. and my old drum instructor practically forced it down everyone's >throats to go to Mike's clinic, when we were having class. (of course none >of us went, and I'm kickin myself for that now). He announced it right in >the middle of the class and was like "go check this guy out!",
Strangely enough in the new issue of the UK's Rhythm magazine (Christmas 1999), the guy who wrote the report for the Birmingham Drumfest slagged MP off.
As a member of the audience myself I cannot agree with his views, except for the crap mix .... but that was true for all the drummers playing and was dependent on where one sat in the auditorium - so shoot the sound man!!!
Some people were leaving during MP's set but many had travelled from all over the UK and further so they had trains to catch. Everything was running late (normal at these events) and Mike's flight from NY had been delayed by Hurricane Floyd.
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