YTSEJAM Digest 5182
Today's Topics:
1) Tickets for Live
by Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net>
2) RE: too much time on hands
by Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5180
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
4) Re: VH
by Fett2002@aol.com
5) Re: Aghora, Cynic, Gordian Knot
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
6) tiles/DT
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
7) Disco Inferno
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
8) SFAM: Is it just me?
by "Lee Wilson" <devnull@ad1440.net>
9) Re: tiles/DT
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
10) VANCOUVER DT show at *NEW* COMMODORE BALLROOM
by Alistair <alistairyoung@home.com>
11) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5181
by "Rodger, Eric" <erodger@fore.com>
12) Re: Hell's Kitchen / Surrounded
by Bunny1682@aol.com
13) RE: tiles/DT
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
14) Re: tiles/DT
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
15) Need CD(r that is)...could someone help out a fellow Ytse-er
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
16) dt wallpaper
by Tobias Bonang <bonang@pacbell.net>
17) VH
by "Virgil Starkwell" <flandersland@sinectis.com.ar>
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:32:01 -0500
From: Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Tickets for Live
Message-ID: <382A0E81.F2F03A27@epix.net>
Hey... Some friends backed out of me for a +Live+ concert on Nov 14th at
the Hammerstein Ballroom. I put a pair of tix on Ebay but no one bid
yet. If there are and fans of +live+ please bid on the tix :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=197885958
I am definitely looking forward to the show and damned glad there are no
DT shows that night because I can NEVER miss a DT performance :)
-Ponte
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:37:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: too much time on hands
Message-ID: <19991111003726.18061.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com>
So did I miss something? Where's this equation
"member" length as a function of height? Whatever
happened to the 'right hand rule'... no wait, that's
electromagnitism ;)
-Dan, a true math geek
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:32:41 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5180
Message-ID: <382A6309.8E327E39@siol.net>
>If JM has just started work on a Yamaha fretless, then what was that
>fretless he had on the infinitey tour and last year's christmas shows? I
>think it was green. It looked like it was the same thing as his fretted
>bass.
That was Yamaha TRB6-fretless. Actually the best bass Yamaha makes, if
you exclude the high custom signature models.
Matej
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:50:33 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: VH
Message-ID: <0.2d5eab4b.255bc139@aol.com>
Maybe I'm the only one but I'd dread if Van Halen reunited with Sammy Hagar.
Personally, I think the guy is quite possibly the worst lyricist ever to
live."only time can tell if we stand the test of time"?? What the hell is
THAT crap??And has anyone heard that lame Mas Tequila song he has? How bad is
that?! It's just a rewrite of that song "Rock n Roll Soul" that they play at
all the sporting events (you know- da da da da.....HEY!!!! da da da da). I'd
love to see Roth back in the band even if he is a major jackass. Just make
one more album with him and put up with him for one tour. That's all I ask....
-Mike
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:06:55 +0000
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Aghora, Cynic, Gordian Knot
Message-ID: <382A953F.2DFCEBA5@hm.telia.no>
Hello !
Marc van der Wal wrote:
> Please tell me how you know about all this new cynic stuff! >Is there
> anything by Aghora out yet?
Only their first demo. They have a second demo too, but they
won`t sell it because they never got to finish it, at least
that`s what the guitarist Santiago told me last time we
spoke.
Bye,
Bj=F8rnar,
Norway !
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:40:56 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: tiles/DT
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB5021@ms.kallback.com>
> The LTE Medely at the recent DT gigs - does Myung play....?
> Myung plays
Stick?
I really like the Tiles cds, especially the first two, but from all the
reviews coming in, it sounds like they either suck live, or that
Europeans just don't like them. What's the verdict?
> Am I imagining things or was MP in a really bad mood during the
> Hannover-show? Maybe he was just dissatisfied with the guy who has to
> push the microphone in front of his face or something,
Well, I wasn't at Hannover, but at one of the shows I've seen I saw the
"mic pushing guy" mess up and MP shot him a dirty look that said
"Dude, your only job is to push the mic in front of my mouth when I
sing back up, which isn't that often, do you think you could try not
to fuck that up?" :)
Trevor
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:38:57 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Disco Inferno
Message-ID: <382AB8E1.5C9672F9@isd.net>
Nick Giannotti sigged out with:
>"Build a man a fire, he is warm for a day. Set him on fire and he is warm
>for the rest of his life."
Now THAT is funny!
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Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>Oh, and Al, you smoke too much. Cut it down, or I might think you do this
>kind of stuff for FUN.
Well... If they had a patch for this shit I'd be stumbling around town looking
like a leopard.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes,
it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:33:56 -0800
From: "Lee Wilson" <devnull@ad1440.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFAM: Is it just me?
Message-ID: <005301bf2c73$529ac880$a9167ad8@dev2.ad1440.net>
Am I the only one who thinks that SFAM may be DT's best work since IAW? Maybe
even better, but it's hard to compare the two as they're such different types of
music. What I do know is that this album sends shivers down my spine in SO many
places. I've never had an album affect me like this.
I guess I'm just wondering if I'm the only one who feels this way about
SFAM?
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:46:26 +0100
From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: tiles/DT
Message-ID: <382B0F02.71B305F8@home.se>
"Trevor W. Hoit" wrote:
> Well, I wasn't at Hannover, but at one of the shows I've seen I saw the
> "mic pushing guy" mess up and MP shot him a dirty look that said
> "Dude, your only job is to push the mic in front of my mouth when I
> sing back up, which isn't that often, do you think you could try not
> to fuck that up?" :)
I'm curious about how you heard that conversation? Did everyone stop
playing while Mike yelled at the microphone guy?
Cheers!
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet
[ http://sdts.cjb.net ] - [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:47:05 -0800
From: Alistair <alistairyoung@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: VANCOUVER DT show at *NEW* COMMODORE BALLROOM
Message-ID: <382B1D39.1D86A239@home.com>
Hi Jammers!
Do any of you know how I can contact Mike Portnoy? I spoke to him at a
Toad's Place show a while back about doing a DT show in Vancouver,
Canada and he said they would like to- especially if the COMMODORE
BALLROOM (a great local venue) is available.
Well, the good news is that, after a long period of renovations, the
COMMODORE is back, and it's looking fantastic! If someone could foreward
this message to Mike, I would really appreciate it.
*** "If you get this message, Mike, could you guys fit in a VANCOUVER
gig (at the Commodore Ballroom when you come to play Seattle? We're less
than 2 hours drive away, and there are LOTS of Canadian DT fans here
who'd love to see the band (and especially the new 'Scenes From A
Memory' material live!)
Love is the Dance of Eternity...
-Alistair Young
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:44:12 -0500
From: "Rodger, Eric" <erodger@fore.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>,
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5181
Message-ID: <4FBEA8857476D311A03300204840E1CF015A7A@whq-msgusr-02.fore.com>
Here's an interesting 2-person review that was printed in an online rock
publication, Detrius.
Contact Tim Wadzinski <tsw512@yahoo.com> regarding Detrius.
KAI
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DREAM THEATER - SCENES FROM A MEMORY (Joel A+, Tim A-) Elektra, 1999
[ http://www.dreamtheater.net ]
12 tracks, RT: 77:12
Joel: Legendary progressive metal outfit Dream Theater returns to
action with their new release, METROPOLIS PT. 2: SCENES FROM A MEMORY.
The pre-release hype for this album (such as it was) originally called
for a more traditional album that featured the long-awaited sequel to
"Metropolis--Part I" off the band's breakthrough disc IMAGES AND
WORDS. While "Metropolis Pt. 2" was initially going to be a 25-minute
epic, the band eventually extended it to fill up an entire album. The
end result is new release SCENES FROM A MEMORY, an excellent concept
album that seriously challenges AWAKE as my favorite Dream Theater
disc. While it's place among DT fans will be decided in the months and
years ahead, I think I can speak for most fans when I say that SCENES
is a redemption from 1997's disappointing release FALLING INTO
INFINITY.
Tim: I've already decided its place, #3 behind IMAGES and AWAKE, but
honestly, there isn't a huge difference between them all. (It's like
picking a favorite "Star Wars" movie from the original trilogy--you
can debate and nitpick, but compared to everything else out there they
all rule.) But I must say I think I'm tiring of the whole prog/metal
scene a little, because I probably should've shit myself when I heard
SCENES...but I didn't. Sure it's great but I just don't think DT can
ever again release an album that will immediately and profoundly
impact me the way IMAGES did, when I first heard "Pull Me Under."
(Although, they do still seem to have that affect on newbies. I let a
co-worker borrow SCENES the other day and by quitting time, he was on
Amazon.com, ordering copies for himself and a friend!)
J: That's a great analogy, comparing those three DT albums to Star
Wars (everyone knows the order goes Empire, New Hope, Jedi, right?).
Thankfully I'm not an old fart like Tim, so I can fully enjoy SCENES
in all its masturbatory glory (hey, that rhymes!). But seriously, the
music on this album is *amazing*, a real throwback to the I&W days.
New keyboardist Jordan Rudess makes an excellent addition to the
group, as his style fits the band much better than Derek Sherinian
did. Rudess' dueling solo with Petrucci at the end of "Fatal Tragedy"
is just awesome. I completely geeked-out the first time I heard that
segment.
T: Yeah, ya little shit, you enjoy that masturbating. Just don't go
blind. I'm not saying I don't dig the music, which *is* amazing, it's
just that besides the token ballads "Through Her Eyes" and "The Spirit
Carries On"--which are both good--and the comfortably numb Pink Floyd-
ian parts Pete talked about last week there isn't much here in the way
of concise songwriting. But that's obviously not what they were going
for, so no skin off their asses. They wanted to be all OTT progressive
and play a thousand miles per hour, and they did. I just wish some of
the cool heavy parts were as hooky/memorable as the mellow stuff...
J: If I'm goin' blind, my dear friend, it's not from the masturbating
but rather your breathtaking logic. "There isn't much here in the way
of concise songwriting." Huh? Did you confuse DT with your Menudo CD
again? You must be, because the heavier songs on this album are
certainly memorable for me. The main riff on "Overture 1928" is
classic DT all the way, ranking up there with the great ones like "A
Change Of Seasons" and "Under A Glass Moon." In addition, the heavy,
almost grungy lead on "Home" is a wonderful counterpart to the sitar
intro and general weirdness of the song. I also really enjoy the
little bits of the original "Metropolis" that they sprinkled
throughout this track and "The Dance Of Eternity," because they manage
to lift stuff almost directly without making it sound cheesy in the
process. I will grant you that these songs aren't as instantly
gratifying as something like "Pull Me Under," but I don't agree with
the sentiment that they aren't "concise." Few bands can make a twelve-
minute epic go by quickly, but Dream Theater manages it. Even so, I
listen to this disc more for the overall experience than a few
individual tracks. And as an experience, SCENES FROM A MEMORY is a
worthy successor to my second-favorite DT song ("A Mind Beside Itself"
is number one, of course).
T: Settle down, Beavis. Before this gets out of hand lemme just say
this is like splitting hairs here. When a band puts out material this
good I almost feel obligated to try and find something wrong with it!
A lot of these songs have about *10* songs' worth of riffage and
subtlety packed into them--I'd love to hear the viciously cool groove
in "Strange Deja Vu" given its own full song, instead of just parts
here and there--and I admit sometimes this gets to be too much. But I
gave it an A-, I like the album. The psychotically fast keyboard and
guitar solos, and the crazy Tetris-like flourish, in "Fatal Tragedy"
have to be heard to be believed, and I really dig the evil Eastern/
Egyptian/Arabian (let's just call it "exotic") flair given to the epic
"Home." And, per usual with prog metal, there are countless little
cool parts scattered throughout these 77+ minutes. I'm glad DT
rebounded from the subpar FALLING INTO INFINITY, but these guys are so
good they're cursed: What can they possibly do to really, truly get
any better?
------End of excerpt-----------------
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:36:29 EST
From: Bunny1682@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Hell's Kitchen / Surrounded
Message-ID: <0.6dc53930.255c82cd@aol.com>
I'd have to second that idea that Hell's Kitchen is a great song.
I guess that's my not-so-subtle hint, based on the concept that numbers will
mean something. Maybe DT will consider playing this song live for the tour...
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:32:57 -0800
From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: tiles/DT
Message-ID: <001301bf2c83$f18c39a0$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Trevor W. Hoit
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:58 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: tiles/DT
>
>
> I really like the Tiles cds, especially the first two, but
> from all the
> reviews coming in, it sounds like they either suck live, or that
> Europeans just don't like them. What's the verdict?
>
I saw them at Powermad this year. I thought they were pretty good live.
They're not overly "flashy" and don't have tons of stage presence, but they
are all very good players and they sound the same live as they do on CD. I
thought they did a pretty good set, and would like to see them again. Of
course, their set would have been even better if they had played "Reasonable
Doubt", which is easily their best song.
Remember, though, that the above opinion comes from someone who doesn't
think SFAM is DT's best CD (gasp!), the best CD of the year (shock!), or the
best CD of all time (gah!). So there you go.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet
Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming
tools and more!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:43:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: tiles/DT
Message-ID: <19991111204340.17718.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com>
--- "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> wrote:
> > "mic pushing guy" mess up and MP shot him a dirty look that said
> I'm curious about how you heard that conversation? Did everyone stop
> playing while Mike yelled at the microphone guy?
..shot him a dirty LOOK that said...
NOT Mike said...
But anyway, you're probably joking...just had to check out...
=====
Janne Jokitalo
Boss Information: jaska@boss.fi
Jyväskylä University: jajokita@st.jyu.fi
Homepage: http://www.jyu.fi/~jajokita
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:15:23 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Need CD(r that is)...could someone help out a fellow Ytse-er
Message-ID: <19991111.151528.3118.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Hey all,
I have been LONG after the 2Cd boot with the original ACOS, and can never
seem to get my my hands on it. Could someone CDR it for me? I'll send
blank CDs along with 5 bucks for the trouble. HERE THIS-I am not wanting
for someone to make $$ off of bootlegs, I just want that to be a way to
say "Thank You"
email me priv please
Kurt
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:52:21 -0800
From: Tobias Bonang <bonang@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: dt wallpaper
Message-ID: <LPBBLAMPDCAADEDAGCCCCEAACBAA.bonang@pacbell.net>
have a dt wallpaper up at http://amorphix.virtualave.net/dream_theater.jpg
(1024x768)
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:42:11 -0300
From: "Virgil Starkwell" <flandersland@sinectis.com.ar>
To: "Ytsejam List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: VH
Message-ID: <001a01bf2c9d$01ad85a0$338729c8@matute>
The David lee Roth era was the best ever.
I'll pay twice the price to see them playing!
bye!
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