YTSEJAM Digest 5172
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Charts...!
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Charts...!
by "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsekirby@yahoo.com>
3) re: Saga
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) Billboard magazine
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
5) assorted thoughts
by "Kevin A. Loechner" <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
6) Re: S.O.D. Live
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
7) The old man is Nick
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
8) Re: Billboard magazine
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
9) Re: S.O.D. Live
by "Marcel Schot" <neuronix@writeme.com>
10) EC: AOI tab - people wanted!
by "Samah" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
11) sfam stuf I don't get
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
12) broadcasting
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
13) not mindbender...
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
14) Finally Free
by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
15) no Spock's Beard
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
16) Re: part 1, part 2, part 8.0.4.2.11?
by Brian Deuel <bdeuel@pathwaynet.com>
17) Re: SAGA
by Brian Deuel <bdeuel@pathwaynet.com>
18) quinessential progressive cd
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
19) DT in Classic Rock
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
20) SFaM in top ten :-) Fuck Billboard
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
21) Mahavishnu Orchestra
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
22) Yet another couple of SFaM interpretations...
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
23) Re: Yet another couple of SFaM interpretations...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
24) chart musings
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
25) The SFaM End Theory
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:04:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Charts...!
Message-ID: <19991104200419.17632.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com>
--- Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> wrote:
> but even
> better they were in at number 2 on the Billboard
> Internet charts
> (http://www.billboard.com/charts/internet.asp),
> beating out Bush and Alice
> in Chains, and second only to Stoned Temple Pilots.
>
> I think this kicks arse....! I would love to think
> that they've
> arrived...
Ever the pessimist, I have to say that (while
definitley possesing the possibility to happen) such a
thing is unlikely. Maybe I'm just getting jaded in my
old age (18 yrs) but I can't help but think that DT
placing so high is anything more than a fluke. I'm
not trying to offend anyone here, but how many N'Suck
and Backdoor Boys fans can you picture listening to
either version of "Home"? I can't. And I don't think
it's likely to happen (and I'm by no means
complaining). DT probably aren't going to compromise
everything they've worked so hard for up to now just
to have a hit record. I'd love to be wrong, but I
think #60 is as high as we'll ever DT go. But hey, 73
is definitley good. How high did the rest of DT's
catalog place on the Billboard? Anyone know?
=====
*Trent
"I can make you feel, but I can't make you think."
Ian Anderson
"I couldn't breathe. Holding me down. Hand on my face. Pushed to the ground. Enmity gauged. Divided by fear. Forced to endure what I could not forgive."
Eddie J. Mueller, 1993
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:58:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz" <ytsekirby@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Charts...!
Message-ID: <19991104195858.13693.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Yeah, and you know WHY they debuted at #73? Because the damn stores
RAN OUT of the cd! I know, because I went to replace my ailing copy
today (original attempted suicide on concrete stairs). Best Buy
didn't even have it in stock! It was a total disappointment, and I
let 2 ppl know I was pissed. (Like they cared, right?) If stores
had ordered more copies (or if the record company had pushed for more
albums to be put on the shelves), DT would have been closer to 40.
-Kirby sits in the corner and pouts
=====
Nicole Stachowicz
US Coordinator for the Dream Theater International Fan Club
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/usdtifc.html
Kirby on irc.dreamt.org:2112 #ytsejam and #ytseradio
YtseKirby on irc.ram-page.com:6667 #mikechat
ytsekirby@yahoo.com -=- http://www.christopherlloyd.net
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:43:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Saga
Message-ID: <19991104204328.6328.rocketmail@web120.yahoomail.com>
"Stephen Glowacki" <seasend@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
>> On Images And Words, DT makes several musical nods
to
>> Saga. If you're familiar with Saga's early
recordings,
>> they liked to add a "Part III" or "Chapter V" to
their
>> songs titles. Of course there were no other parts
to
>> these songs...
> I agree with your point of "Part 1" in the title of
Metropolis perhaps
> being tongue in cheek, but a bit of info. on the
Saga chapters; the
> first 4 Saga albums contain Chapters 1 through 8 of
a story (2 per album), but
> they are out of order.
I stand corrected. I don't have all of the discs, so I
was never able to put it all together. (Those early
discs are hard to get.) So how do they all fit
together? Is there some story? Are they musically
related? Is there a title for the whole story?
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:15:32 EST
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Billboard magazine
Message-ID: <0.9c0b34ca.25535f84@aol.com>
Hey,
I just checked Billboard magazine @ billboard.com. Dream Theater debuted at
# 73. That's pretty damn good. That is with no air play, no single to
promote the album and no promotional info in any record store. Way to go
guys. That proves what a great fan base DT has. Everyone wins! I am
curious where they go from here.
See ya,
Todd
"I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset."
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:23:30 -0600 (CST)
From: "Kevin A. Loechner" <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: assorted thoughts
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991104161625.22722A-100000@pegasus>
Hey Jammers,
Well, I have spent my last week and a half enjoying SFaM. This album
blows my mind. I am not going to contribute to the discussion of the plot
at this time. Just wanted to say how amazing I thought the album was as a
whole. It gets better with each listen, because I hear something new each
time I put it on.
I am also quite excited about the Metropolis 2000 tour. Dream Theater
with the Dixie Dregs and Spock's Beard, that is a progressive feast. I
can't believe they are going to put something that awesome together. I
can't wait for next year, I want to see this now!
My final thought involves one of my classes this semester. We have to
write a 10-12 page final paper for philosophies of the self, and I was
thinking I might either be able to do a 10-12 page interpretation of SFaM
or some other way to incorporate Dream Theater into my paper. Maybe I
could do SFaM along with another concept album. I could do something like
SFaM, O:M, and maybe 2112. Rush would probably provide excellent material
for such a paper, especially with concepts of self, etc. This could end
up being really cool and fun. I didn't think a long paper could be such
fun, but it just might be. I could just listen to music, compose my
thoughts as the music goes along, and then make an outline and put it
together in a logical manner. Well, I must get back to work, but I hope
to be posting some more as this work progresses. I would also like to
hear what others think about this.
Later,
Kevin
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-- Department of Electrical Engineering --
-- and Computer Science, Tulane University --
-- loechner@eecs.tulane.edu --
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:42:08 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: S.O.D. Live
Message-ID: <38220BC0.1B3B70FA@wezl.org>
I think I would completely wet myself if they did that one...or possibly
"Ode to Shannon Hoon" those would be perfect!!! :)
"Cassiano P. Barbosa" wrote:
> NuGgeTMaN wrote:
> > Woah!!! I have to check that tour out! Did they do any cool "Ode"'s???
> > For example "Ode to Jimi Hendrix" or anything like that?
>
> He, I heard there was going to be a "Ballad of Kurt Cobain" in the last
> record, but I guess it didn't happen... Imagine: the first chords to
> Smells Like Teen Spirit and then "You're dead!!!!" :)
>
> []'s
> Cassiano
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:58:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The old man is Nick
Message-ID: <19991104225844.17963.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com>
Someone said:
>>His visions draw him to a house, and there he meets
a man who
>>tells him about Victoria's murder (FT).
"M P" <mremann6@dreamtheater.zzn.com> wrote:
>Echo's Hill, Julian's (?)home. The man is likely a
caretaker.
]From Nick's perspective, Fatal Tragedy is the first
Scene in the whole story. It's his early dreams, even
before his "Regression". I believe that the old man in
the dream IS Nick. (I.e. A younger Nick meets an older
Nick in a dream.) Old Nick gives young Nick hints in
the dream.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:57:07 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Billboard magazine
Message-ID: <38220F42.9CAEC4CD@wezl.org>
Just to set the record straight...I know of at least ONE record store promoting
the total shit out of SFaM...:) It was #2 last week in our top sales, falling
only to STP...this week Rage has totally blown everything away, but only time
will tell...I'm sure 2 months down the road I'll be selling more SFaM than I will
Rage.
WoodyTJ34@aol.com wrote:
> Hey,
> I just checked Billboard magazine @ billboard.com. Dream Theater debuted at
> # 73. That's pretty damn good. That is with no air play, no single to
> promote the album and no promotional info in any record store.
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:59:26 +0100
From: "Marcel Schot" <neuronix@writeme.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: S.O.D. Live
Message-ID: <199911042359260320.03C7D951@Sylvester>
On 4-11-99 at 14:49 NuGgeTMaN wrote:
>> NuGgeTMaN wrote:
>> > Woah!!! I have to check that tour out! Did they do any cool "Ode"'s???
>> > For example "Ode to Jimi Hendrix" or anything like that?
>>
>> He, I heard there was going to be a "Ballad of Kurt Cobain" in the last
>> record, but I guess it didn't happen... Imagine: the first chords to
>> Smells Like Teen Spirit and then "You're dead!!!!" :)
The do play it live and they have actually recorded it. It wasn't released
on the album though, since Charlie spoke about it with his good friend
David Grohl, who's ex-Nirvana, and found out that the former Nirvana guys
didn't think it was in good taste. Seems SOD isn't as anti-everything as
they want people to believe :)
Marcel
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:31:56 +1030
From: "Samah" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: EC: AOI tab - people wanted!
Message-ID: <NDBBJMFJELNJHEFMBKFDMEDLCDAA.woolcock@camtech.net.au>
Hi all,
I'm looking for a few people who would be interested in tabbing out the
entire album of Age Of Impact.
When I first got the album about 6 months ago, I started on it myself, but
never got around to finishing it.
I've almost finished Fate Speaks (solos and all) but I'm having some
difficulties hearing Murphy's solo due to the "fuzz" he uses for it. I need
at least two or three other people who might be interested in helping me out
with the rest of the album.
Note though, that I want this tab to be done exclusively by these people,
and the tab won't be released until its finished or we decide to release it
in an unfinished form.
If anyone's interested send me a private email, don't clutter up the 'jam.
:)
Oh, and since a lot of the album is done using 7-string it would probably
help (though not essential) to have one, as I do :-)
Samah
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I'm learning all about my life
By looking through her eyes...
(Dream Theater - Through Her Eyes)
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 20:12:07 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: sfam stuf I don't get
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991104201144.00954870@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
OK, I have listened to this album, read the theories and am scratching my
head. Whee does Met p1 ffit in here? And secondly, I cannot read the liner
notes so maybe I am missing some important pieces here. Can anybody fill me
in on these holes?
-- Damon Fibraio dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words-- Damon Fibraio dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 20:12:38 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: broadcasting Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991104201227.00962de0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:25:02 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: not mindbender... Message-ID: <38223FFE.FFF3BFBF@bigfoot.com>
>> Maybe Nicholas is really Duke of GI Joe and the Hypnotherapist is really >> that lame Cobra Hypnotist guy who had the psychadelic shield.
>Dr. Mindbender.
Hey, I liked mindbender! By then the comic was such a departure from reality that it didn't matter.
The guy you're talking about it not Dr. Mindbender. I forget his name - but i know who you mean. He had a black mustache, and no shirt, and there were always 30 of him at the toy store because he was so sucky.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:20:48 -0700 (MST) From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Finally Free Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9911041855540.63606-100000@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca>
I think I have found some significance in the newsclip at the end of FF, which in my opinion answers two very vital questions surrounding the entire story: 1) Who is the Hypnotherapist really? 2) What actually happens to Nicholas after the record scratching/assumed struggle?
Listen carefully to what is said on the TV news. The reporter makes reference to a member of "American nobility". At this precise moment we hear the action cut to the outside and the slow, gravely footsteps. Although Edward Baynes the Senator was not nobility by title per se, his title and responsibilities to the people reflect those of "true" nobility. At any rate, the coupling of this reference and the footsteps leaves no doubt in my mind that this is telling us that the Hypno-dude *is* in fact the reincarnation of the senator. As far as Nick's fate goes, given that the Hypno is the senator, the quote from the news making reference to a "long string (or is it line?) of tragedies" tells us that Nick is going to die; this is said a split second before the quick footsteps lead to the "open your eyes, Nicholas". "Long string" refers to the ceaseless battle that the souls of Victoria, Ed, and Julian face from incarnation to incarnation. The killing of Nick by the Hypnotherapist is just another instance of these souls doing battle. Maybe I'm a total crackpot, and I hope this makes sense to the rest of you, but the placement of it all just seems to lead to this conclusion.
Grp
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:17:40 -0600 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: no Spock's Beard Message-ID: <000201bf2744$b33de2a0$433c88cf@jammer>
]From: "Mark Bredius"
>If you check the review again, you'll notice >"Spock's Beard" has been edited out of that >sentence... Just a little confusion due to all >the rumors that have been flying lately...
Whew, what a relief!
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:54:33 -0500 From: Brian Deuel <bdeuel@pathwaynet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: part 1, part 2, part 8.0.4.2.11? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991104233954.00b56100@mail.pathwaynet.com>
At 05:57 AM 11/4/99 -0800, you wrote: >On Images And Words, DT makes several musical nods to >Saga. If you're familiar with Saga's early recordings, >they liked to add a "Part III" or "Chapter V" to their >songs titles. Of course there were no other parts to >these songs...
Saga has resumed the chapters of the story of Golden Boy on their latest album, Full Circle. That album contains chapters 9, 10 ,and 13 of this "saga." The band had stopped adding to them during their commercial sound exploration years, but have returned to their roots, so to speak. An excellent band for any prog fan to check out.
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 00:07:02 -0500 From: Brian Deuel <bdeuel@pathwaynet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SAGA Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991104235832.00b56390@mail.pathwaynet.com>
Cool! It's great to see other Saga fans on this list! Although they don't exactly get too crazy with weird time signatures and shredding guitar and key work, they DO have some very good explorative music work. Some of their early stuff, like "Careful Where You Step", "Ice Nice", and "Don't Be Late" really suck you in. They tend to be a more atmospheric band; not crazy dynamically, but they write songs that draw you into the story they're trying to tell.
Dt fans would enjoy Saga, methinks. Pick up World's Apart or even Generation 13 for a taste of them. Then seek out their other albums (which are a bit harder to find). World's Apart is definitive Saga. Gen 13 is their concept album from 1995, and is also very enjoyable.
Brian Deuel http://coinop.vintagegaming.com
In my CD player: DT-SfaM
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 16:25:05 +1100 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: quinessential progressive cd Message-ID: <38226A31.D20DFC75@alphalink.com.au>
I've always thought one of the most definitive songs was 21st Century Schizoid Man off Court of the Crimson King. That CD was basically the start of prog rock and the song was very ahead of its time. Its also got funny time signatures, interesting instruments, poetic lyrics, virtuosism etc.
> I am an avid progressive music listener (Rush, Yes, DT, Fates Warning, LTE, > as well as others). A friend of mine (who doesn't listen to prog) asked me > what it was. I told him about different time signatures, complexity of > music as well as lyrics, arrangements, etc. My question to you is, if there > is one quinessential progressive cd, that I could play him, what would it > be? I know that no one cd or group can summarize a whole musical movement, > but which one do you think embodies prog music? Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:55:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT in Classic Rock Message-ID: <495c291f4agraham@picsel.com>
ReSent-From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> ReSent-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
The latest Classic Rock has hit the newsstands here in the UK, and it's quite a DT-intensive edition. There's a lengthy interview with Mike Portnoy (with input from Derek Sherinian about his dismissal and Planet X), a very complimentary review of Scenes From A Memory (4 out of 5), and a readers' poll for the all-time best drummer, which returned Mike in eighth place. Ahead of Lars Ulrich, for a nice change. :-)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 13:00:07 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFaM in top ten :-) Fuck Billboard Message-ID: <38234557.61B7@fh-niederrhein.de>
Yuouuhuuoooo
DT made it again :-)))))))))))))))))))))))
They've entered the German top 100 album charts at possiotion "8" !!!
Bush's new one is on 19th possition and Stone Temple Pilots's at 42th :-)
Germany is not like USA. The most people dosen't go with the wind (at least in the music scene).
Hip Hop, Grunge, Alternative and the other shitty trends are comming form USA.
72th in the US billboard charts is a huge disappointment. Don't forget Dream Theater are a US band. Even FII was at 52h possition.
I JUST HOPE THAT ELEKTRA DON'T LOOK ONLY AT THE US SAELS.
Btw, German charts are after US and UK the most importent charts in the world.
NP: Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:28:08 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, "'Freaks'" <freaks@torchsong.com> Subject: Mahavishnu Orchestra Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB4FD7@ms.kallback.com>
I just bought Mahavishnu Orchestra-Birds of Fire and I really like it. Any other suggestions for MO cds? Thanks Trevor
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:00:13 PST From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Yet another couple of SFaM interpretations... Message-ID: <19991105150013.8488.qmail@hotmail.com>
Sorry if the following has been mentioned already (I haven't read the last 10 jams yet) but I thought this stuff might be worth mentioning...
First off, people are all fussing about WHO fell on WHOM in the murder scene. The clincher though, is we forget that at the time of murder, Julian and Victoria were very likely being caught IN THE ACT! They're "laying down for the last time", remember?
And if I can speculate about sexual habits in the 1920's, I'm thinking that missionary style is a lot more popular than it is these days.
With that said, when Edward shot the first two shits, it hit Julian in the back while he was on top of Victoria!
Understandably freaking out, she begins to scream with her eyes closed.
As Edward comes closer to turn the gun on Victoria, he asks that she open her eyes to see who is about to murder her. Only by her gazing upon him can his revenge be complete. She'll momentarily see the pain in his eyes as he saw them in a lover's embrace.
Finally, inevitably he shoots Victoria UNDER Julian. Nobody needed to be moved.
********
Also, has anybody mentioned the similarities between Julian's michief and the story of The Prodigal Son?
He leaves to (for lack of another city) Las Vegas for some gambling and very possibly drug use. Both acts equate to her unhappiness, his irresponsibility and the picture of him being the Prodigal Son.
Finally, like the Prodigal Son, he's welcomed back with open arms. Victoria's open arms (something else was wide open too, if you know what I mean)
The harsh twist is, however, is that his extacy is short lived since he is murdered shortly after.
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Finally, some nitpicking on the cover art. Someone had said that the face on the cover is both Nick's and Victoria's. Well, though I admit that the eye on the right might be feminine, it is definitely NOT the eye that appears in Victoria's black-and-white photos on the cover. She has a rather "sleepy" eye, which the larger eye does not. Also, you can see the whites of her eyes while the larger eye is completely blacked out. Finally, she appears to have plucked her eyebrows and the larger eye's brow is kinda bushy.
Regarding the man's photos around the top of the cover underneath the "Dream" in Dream Theater, don't you think it looks kinda like David Arquette??? Yuck! I hate that no-talent! If I see one more AT&T commercial with him having an intimate "moment" with that over-adoring fan, I'm going to puke! The look in that fan's eyes makes me just sick! "Did you see my game-winning catch? Triple Overtime!"
Blow Me.
Also, another tiny criticizm of this otherwise OTHERWORLDLY album, I really cringe when I hear Victoria's circa 1950's "sound effect" scream during the murder scene. Victoria's screams are the same screams that have been used in horror flicks for decades. The voice inflection is so obvious to me. I really wish they could have gone with an ACTUAL scream rather than one they stole off a "spooky sound effects" CD sampler.
I guess this pet peeve of mine goes back to when I was forced to watch the Wheel of Fortune with my mom back in the day. The same laugh/applause track was used in every show and it was so ANNOYING to hear the same guy make the same noise in the audience twice a show for EVERY SHOW!
Anyway, enough ranting.
This album is Dream Theater's best. They probably will never top it. It's good to be back on the list, by the way.
Take it easy!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:26:13 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Yet another couple of SFaM interpretations... Message-ID: <000c01be0fe3$202a79c0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>Finally, inevitably he shoots Victoria UNDER Julian. Nobody needed to be >moved.
Yeah, but I think even the keystone bonehead cops back in those days wouldn't consider it a suicide when the suspect is found with a hold in his back and his cock still in the supposed victim. hehehe. But that's just me. :) Eddie could have always paid them off. :) -- KorgX3
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:30:15 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: chart musings Message-ID: <19991105153015.14160.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Other notable debuts include the Genesis hits package >"Turn It On Again" at 65, Dream Theater's "Scenes From A > Memory" at 73, >Irish popsters B*Witched at 91 >with "Awake & Breathe,"
Kinda surprised at the Genesis package beating SFAM....i mean, Genesis is one of my favorite bands (even in its current incarnation), and I had absolutely no clue it was coming out.....does that speak to the still large genesis fan base, or the smallness of Dream Theater's? I think the latter....
At least "we" beat those irish spice girls wanna-bees
Anyone look at the 5 years ago/ten years ago features on the billboard charts? Ten years ago, the New Kind on the Block had 3 albums in the top 35, just though I'd let you know
5 years ago, Queensryche's Promised Land was #15....it had hit a peak of #3.....any clue what Q2K's peak was like, compared to SFAM? Or what I&W's highest charting was (if any?)
partha
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:43:14 -0600 From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The SFaM End Theory Message-ID: <000101bf27a4$807f2800$cbdd1a93@tugmutton.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
After listening to the end of the album cranked up last night, I'm sure of this one. Someone had posted this theory a few jams ago, so this is just to confirm it... my apologies to the original poster - I can't remember who you were! :)
'Cut Scene Theory' (it seems an appropriate title)
- Nick is woken up by the hypnotherapist (note: 'open your eyes Nicholas' ... same as Edward's speech when he kills Victoria in 1928) - He walks to his car, starts it, drives home - Song music fades to his radio - Car pulls up at house with radio playing... he turns it off and kills then engine. - Nick walks to the house (note the gate of his walk... moderate speed) - He unlocks the front door, then shuts it. - CUT TO MOMENTS BEFORE NICK'S ARRIVAL ... NOW INSIDE THE HOUSE - the TV is on (as Portnoy said, the JFK Jr. death report is used to signify present day [and perhaps a foreshadowing]) - "Unknown Person" walks to TV (a slower gate now than previous footsteps) and turns it off - "Unknown Person" puts record on (end of Finally Free) - "Unknown Person" walks to bar * LISTEN CLOSELY ... you hear Nick pull up *outside* with the radio playing (I think in the left channel)! - "Unknown Person" pours drink - Nick enters, sees record player is on, and walks over to it. - "Unknown Person" moves upon Nick whose attention is on the record player. - "Open your eyes, Nicholas!"
Final thoughts:
- The unknown person in the house is the hypnotherapist (once Edward Baines) ... his use of the phrase "Open your eyes, <person's name who I'm going to kill now because I'm nutty>." gives it away. - He kills Nick because he can continue his revenge on Victoria this way. Call it a 'Soul Vendetta", haha. :)
- Wolfric Tugmutton tugmutton@toast.net
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