YTSEJAM Digest 5170
Today's Topics:
1) The Real Reasons...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
2) SFAM charts status
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
3) Re: The answer is ours - find all you need in your mind
by JamesAhab@aol.com
4) Beyond This Life weird solo
by Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
5) Tour: DT + Dixie Dregs + Spock's Beard ?!
by "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5164
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
7) The ending of SFaM
by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Timo_Haanp=E4=E4?= <thaanpaa@sci.fi>
8) Dream Theater #73 on Billboard
by "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
9) i had too much free time as a yound child.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Tommy and Brothers in one mind
by Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net>
11) respect
by Dustro2@aol.com
12) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5169
by "Andr=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9s?= Falc=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F3n?= " <anfalcon@cvmail.cl>
13) part 1, part 2, part 8.0.4.2.11?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
14) Fw: We want the airwaves!
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
15) Re: Stuffy nonsense
by JamesAhab@aol.com
16) Re: S.O.D. Live
by "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
17) Re:SOD Live/other stuff
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
18) Re: The ending of SFaM
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
19) Re: SOD Live/other stuff
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
20) Re: Met Part III
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
21) Re: Tour: DT + Dixie Dregs + Spock's Beard ?!
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
22) Metropolis
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5169
by BloodMystX@aol.com
24) Compress ????
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
25) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5169
by webmaster@yunque.net (Webmaster)
26) our belated insights on a jigsaw puzzle assembled wrong
by "M P" <mremann6@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:06:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The Real Reasons...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991103130208.18011A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Terry Brown actually is a hypnotherapist -- he was sending James into
regression therapy to find out where his I&W tone went. Apparently, he
found it...
The whole story's about James's voice -- Victoria, a lost voice of the
past, high, clear, without scratches... perfect. Julian, the sleeper,
is the world-weary voice of Awake -- giving in to his passion for
Norwegian weed, Julian loses Victoria. Edward, the lover of Victoria,
is related to Julian, but holds Victoria closer (a *lot* closer, but we
won't get into that). He is the voice of now...
Nicholas is at once new and old, himself and Victoria. Nicholas is Ray
Alder. At the end, Terry Brown shoots Nick/Ray for putting him through
all those Perfect Symmetry rehersals.
There -- it's so simple, you see.
--Matt (sarcastic dream sensation...)
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:41:28 -0800
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFAM charts status
Message-ID: <38212A98.AA8@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Here is the chart status of SFAM as for now (Novermber 3th) :
Sweden : 48th
Finland : 6th
Norway : 28th
German, Italian and the France charts are coming on friday.
As for USA, I think SFAM will enter the billboard charts on Monday next week.
Anyone know something about the official Japanese charts and Burn magazine review ?
Btw, I just hope that, SFAM will sell enough so Elektra will allow DT to have full
control of their upcoming albums. SFAM is the best Dream Theater album.
NP: Royal Hunt - Fear
Arash
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:56:17 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The answer is ours - find all you need in your mind
Message-ID: <0.d0ce9aef.25521791@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/3/99 12:04:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jkruger@ee.net
writes:
>< I can't help but think that a lot of people are taking the wrong
approach by attempting to "figure out" the meaning of SFaM. I never
understood why people do that. For me, it is not a puzzle to be solved; it is
a piece of music to be experienced. the only meaning that I care about is the
meaning that I GET from the music. I don't give a rat's hairy butt what was
going thru the mind of the creator when the music was created. I only care
about what goes thru my mind, my heart, my soul when I hear, feel, and
experience the music. I only care about how the music affects me. The
significance of a work to me is not what the artist intended the piece to
say, but rather what the piece says to me. When I read articles about music
and interviews with artists where a certain piece is discussed, I'm not
really bothered if the "real" meaning is different from my own, because for
me the ONLY real meaning is my own. I'm not going to let another person's
perceptions or reactions distort or change my own, including the creator's. I
feel the same way about visual and literary art as well. I always despised
those high-school and college literary courses where we were expected to
"find" the "correct" metaphors that the author was expressing. To me, that
was merely an intellectual exercise that diminished the emotional
significance of the artwork. The entire process of analyzing a work of art to
understand the meaning that the artist intended strikes me as pointless and
somewhat cold. I don't really care if I didn't receive the message that the
artist intended. Often I do, especially when the message is clear and
literal, and that's fine as well. What is important to me is that I've put
myself into the music instead of just sitting there listening to it with
merely a critical or analytical ear. I can't imagine someone doing this with
something that I created. If I were a member of Dream Theater and someone
came up to me and asked "what does SFAM mean?", I would think that it must
not mean anything to him. To me, that would demonstrate a failed connection
between me, the artist, and him, the listener. After it happened enough
times, though, I would conclude that people are just lazy - that people don't
want to participate in music. They just want to passively, rather than
actively, experience music. They don't want to feel their own feelings and
think their own thoughts, they want to be told how they're supposed to feel
and what they're supposed to think. That is what I've concluded about many of
the people on ytsejam. If you are a person who has to wait for some official
explanation or group consensus to have a meaning to SFAM, I think you are
missing the entire point of music. I've seen a few people say that if one of
the members of the band were to say "it means what you want it to mean" or
"find the meaning for yourself" that the band member was "copping out", that
that particular explanation was weak. I say - bullshit - if you have to ask
what it means, then you are the one who is copping out. ><
No one I've seen is trying to figure out what the message is...the message is
something only *you* get. There's a difference between what something means
to you and what is going on in the final scene, or who is the reincranation
of Edward, or questions like that. The message is deeper; people are simply
looking for an explanation as to why certain acts or scenes happened.
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:30:02 -0200
From: Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Beyond This Life weird solo
Message-ID: <3820711A.28F6B929@conex.com.br>
Well everybody is talking about that little piano
part in The Dance Of Eternity, but what about the
weird Rudess solo in 8:26-8:46 of Beyond This Life ??
NP: DT - SFaM
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:57:23 -0500
From: "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Tour: DT + Dixie Dregs + Spock's Beard ?!
Message-ID: <3820BDD3.B9270210@unc.edu>
Omg,
Just read a review linked from the DT site (by Ghostland), and at the
end of it is "[DT] plans to rehearse the new material extensively with
the intent of playing the entire piece live when they embark on a U.S.
tour with the Dixie Dregs and Spock's Beard in January of 2000."
Has anyone else fallen out of his/her chair yet? Wow, The Dregs, DT
and Spock's Beard. I don't think I'm going to get any work done
tonight... ;-)
-d
-- Daniel T. Chen chenda@cs.unc.edu NP : Frank Zappa - G-Spot Tornado------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5164 Message-ID: <19991103232417.1588.rocketmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com>
>Finally, when the casino guy is talking from out of >the right channel, I HEAR HIM SAY the following while >Victoria is getting pounded. >"Who wants more, who want the hard core, who wants >more, who wants more, who wants hard core...who wants >to come" And THEN, JR rips into his solo. hence, >victoria has come....beeeeaauuutifuuuul! > >Later All, >-Raf-
No, no, no! It's 'hard four'. It's a gambling term for the dice.
tb
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:37:46 +0200 (EET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Timo_Haanp=E4=E4?= <thaanpaa@sci.fi> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The ending of SFaM Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.991104015203.17A-100000@simpukka>
Suppose reincarnation happens immediately when a person dies. This would mean that in 1999 Nicholas is a lot older than Ed, because Nick would have died a lot earlier than him.
The hypnotherapist doesn't really sound very old! So perhaps the old guy in the end is Nicholas.. He arrives first, and the therapist soon after when Nicholas is listening to his favorite record, which sounds kind of old, doesn't it? The kind of music a 71-year old might enjoy with a good drink.
Who says Nicholas is young? Nothing on the album really suggests that.
Timo
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:03:54 -0500 From: "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Dream Theater #73 on Billboard Message-ID: <000801bf2661$9c911420$bf0ad6d1@pavilion>
Hey guys, I was checking out MTV news online, and they had an article about the rankings for bands in Blillboard's Top 200 for next week. DT made it to 73. The article is here:
http://www.mtv.com/news/headlines/991103/story11.html ""Despite big debuts from Master P, Stone Temple Pilots, and Bush, veteran rocker Carlos Santana holds on to the number one spot on next week's "Billboard" album chart.
According to sales figures released by Soundscan on Wednesday, Santana's "Supernatural" will maintain its grip on number one for the third straight week. The album sold another 199,000 copies, bringing its total sales to just under 2.3 million after 20 weeks in stores.
Master P makes an impressive splash at number two with his "Only God Can Judge Me," which sold more than 153,000 copies in its first week out to land in the runner-up slot.
Santana "Smooth" RealVideo Stone Temple Pilots also manage a top ten debut next week as the band's "No. 4" arrives at number six after selling more than 120,000 copies in its first week out.
Bush barely missed the top ten, landing at eleven with its new album, "The Science Of Things." The latest effort from the band sold more than 106,000 copies in week one, missing the top ten by a mere 266 copies.
Other notable debuts include Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young's reunion album "Looking Forward" at 26, Rob Zombie's remix album "American Made Music To Strip By" at 38, Chico DeBarge's "Game" at 41, the Genesis hits package "Turn It On Again" at 65, Dream Theater's "Scenes From A Memory" at 73, Incubus' third album "Make Yourself" at 80, Irish popsters B*Witched at 91 with "Awake & Breathe," Ideal's self-titled debut at 97, the Alice In Chains box set "Music Box" at 123, and the Clash live offering "Live From Here To Eternity" at 193.""
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:19:02 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: i had too much free time as a yound child. Message-ID: <001301bf2662$9add2d20$680d84d0@safelink.net>
> The hypnotherapist doesn't really sound very old! So perhaps > the old guy in the end is Nicholas.. He arrives first, and
Yes, but, given that, how would the Hypno get Nicholas' house key? I suppose if you were open-minded enough you could assume he took time while Nick was under to swipe Nick's house key and run over to Ace Hardware for a copy. :) It's actually very plausible. heheheh.
Maybe Nicholas is really Duke of GI Joe and the Hypnotherapist is really that lame Cobra Hypnotist guy who had the psychadelic shield. I can't remember his name. He was about as lame as Chuckles the undercover civilian Joe, who I always used as the hostage Storm Shadow didn't give a rat's ass about letting get killed. I'd like to think Dr. Strange, but that was the Marvel Comics character. Hmmm... Anyway, let's assume that Cobra Hypnotist is Cobra Commander reincarnated, who once had an affair with Nicholas who was once Scarlet behind his brother Serpentor's back. What if Nicholas is really Zartan in disguise seeking to slay the reincarnated Cobra Commander? It's getting clearer! The Dreadnaughts are the ones invading Cobra Commander's private estate in the end when suddenly a large group of Crimson Guardsmen come to intercept them. During the scuffle, Cobra Commander gets away, knocking over the phonograph. Whoo. Good story. I could like this. -- KorgX3 sings, "GI Joe is there!" GO JOES!
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:42:39 -0500 From: Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Tommy and Brothers in one mind Message-ID: <3820E48F.7564A509@epix.net>
Indii wanted info on The Who' Tommy: Suggestion.. if you can see the play... it is awesome and clears up the story... I saw the orginal Broadway version and it blew me away. Dont think you would be that lucky but it is worth seeing even if its just a local cast.
And for DTC: "The Both of you will be confined to this mind".
Two souls in one mind, apparently being punished.. Could be the brothers? Hard to say.
I've noticed a lot of other band's riffs in the last two DT albums, but not in the first two. Are IaW and Awake that much more original? Or is it just my imagination? I guess there are more riffs in a typical DT song than most bands use in a lifetime, so ripping a few bands off isn't the worst thing. At least they do it tastefully :)
Another thing I've noticed with this album: The transitions are MUCH smoother than ever before!
Cheers
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:53:22 EST From: Dustro2@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: respect Message-ID: <0.be829d7a.25524112@aol.com>
well if you want to continue that is fine...still respect the guys a little i mean with out them none of us would have ever spoken to eachother....let alone have such great things to talk about such as SFaM...laterzzz dustro
hey my Aol screan name is Dustro2 if anyone ever wants to IM...
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:13:53 -0400 From: "Andr=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9s?= Falc=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F3n?= " <anfalcon@cvmail.cl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5169 Message-ID: <199911040316.TAA01611@fugazi.torchsong.com>
> Im pretty sure most of them know the basics like nacho, taco bell, burrito. >:) >(if anyone hasnt noticed im hispanic, i always get a kick out of butt-head >going "uh-brdsdrbrb -rico suave"
hehehehhe, i remember that...."se=F1or Beavis...como es juan??"...."uuhh hee hee heemmmm, SPAGHETTI!!!"
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:24:43 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: part 1, part 2, part 8.0.4.2.11? Message-ID: <19991104032443.10488.rocketmail@web117.yahoomail.com>
>laced composition. I think they fully intended to follow up Met 1 >with a Met 2, though I believe they intended to write it later in
I would have to guess that originally on Metropolis (I&W), "Part 1" was a little tongue in cheek, and further parts were not planned.
On Images And Words, DT makes several musical nods to Saga. If you're familiar with Saga's early recordings, they liked to add a "Part III" or "Chapter V" to their songs titles. Of course there were no other parts to these songs...
my $.02, BH
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:59:09 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Fw: We want the airwaves! Message-ID: <024701bf2678$f48d5fa0$702010ac@clemson.edu>
i found this particularly relevant and humorous. moo.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:42:30 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Stuffy nonsense Message-ID: <0.d38a50ab.255268b6@aol.com>
>< >Well, first of all, define "go somewhere." At the end of the piece, do you feel like the intervening time has been any good, or could it have done with shedding half of the deadweight? ><
I feel that way about "Beyond This Life." It would've been better if it were maybe a minute and a half shorter (or if they just dropped that synth-horn solo). On the other hand, I think Fatal Tragedy would've been even better if they added more "shredding" to the end. It's already a great ending, but that's a song where insane shredding just really semmed to fit, and it could've benefitted even more if it were a little longer.
>< >Secondly, the vocals are there because lyrics are written. That's it. It >conveys the lyrics and what they're about.
I think you need a bigger record collection, if you REALLY think that. But OK, we'll stay in a prog context: "The Great Gig in the Sky" - great lyrics there, right? The voice is an instrument just like any other, except more versatile, since it can convey not only pitch and rhythm, but inflection and hence verbalisations. ><
Oh I definitely agree with that; the voice is an instrument, and a very good one when used properly. I wasn't thinking of "Gig In the Sky" vocals or choir-type vocals when I wrote what I wrote.
>< >It's just music. Music is music. Don't look *too* deeply into it.
After the last week of postings on the Jam, you're either joking or very dumb. ><
You already said that and I gave a perfectly good reason why I said "It's just music," but you obviously are more interested in trying to make me look like an idiot than having an intelligent discussion.
>< >That's kind of inappropriate.
No, it's my point of view; this being a DISCUSSION list, and being that discussions are produced when people of different points of view debate them, I'd say it's wholly appropriate. ><
That after calling me "very dumb" for giving you my point of view.
Jim
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 03:12:42 -0200 From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: S.O.D. Live Message-ID: <382115CA.420BCCD9@uol.com.br>
NuGgeTMaN wrote: > Woah!!! I have to check that tour out! Did they do any cool "Ode"'s??? > For example "Ode to Jimi Hendrix" or anything like that?
He, I heard there was going to be a "Ballad of Kurt Cobain" in the last record, but I guess it didn't happen... Imagine: the first chords to Smells Like Teen Spirit and then "You're dead!!!!" :)
[]'s Cassiano
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:45:45 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:SOD Live/other stuff Message-ID: <19991103.231248.2910.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Yup, they did do the ballads, Jimi Hendrix, Phil Hartman (Simpons Theme), and Michael H. (lead singer of INXS) song was I Need You Tonight. Also they did ballad of Nirvana (which the place went nuts) and Frank Sinatra which I thought was in bad taste, but it's SOD.
I saw someone mention GNR videos, and have to make a comment. I still am a bug GNR head, esp the Illuison albums. Some of the songwriting is very Epic. Estranged has to be one of my top ten fav songs ever. the video had a lot to do with that, I want to get the GNR vid collection, but it's 19.99.
Has anyone heard the new song yet. Axl has a new song on the End of Days Soundtrack, and I am very curious. He still has a full band, he being the only original member, but he is also taking more of a electronic approach.I am expecting NIN with Axl singing. Speaking of them, my friend and I found Trent's studio here in New Orleans. It's very conspicous. I know for sure it used be a morgue. Pretty sick, but cool.
Im Done Rambling, Kurt NP-Metallica-Master of Puppets
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:16:34 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The ending of SFaM Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991103231634.0081c2c0@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
I think the record scratch has 2 uses... nicolas realizing that the old man is the evil twin and a sign of the old man dying....
what I dont know is how did nicolas get into the old man's house the first time, when he talk about how he feels that he can trust him and the old man tells him about the killing... did he see the house in his dreams and that's why he goes there?
At 04:46 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Timo Haanp=E4=E4 wrote: > >Suppose reincarnation happens immediately when a person dies. This=20 >would mean that in 1999 Nicholas is a lot older than Ed, because=20 >Nick would have died a lot earlier than him. > >The hypnotherapist doesn't really sound very old! So perhaps >the old guy in the end is Nicholas.. He arrives first, and >the therapist soon after when Nicholas is listening to his favorite >record, which sounds kind of old, doesn't it? The kind of >music a 71-year old might enjoy with a good drink. > >Who says Nicholas is young? Nothing on the album really suggests >that.=20 > >Timo > > >
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:20:06 -0600 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: SOD Live/other stuff Message-ID: <B44673A6.C01%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
The new GnR is actually pretty fucking cool. It moves, it grooves. It's a little industrial, but definitely not NIN. If anyone wants an mp3, let me know.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:21:07 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Met Part III Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991103232107.0081c120@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
yeah, I wouldnt mind for a metropolis 3, but I wouldnt like to listen to an end of the story of metropolis 2...leave it as an open end... but I would like to know why miracle and why sleeper...actually why metropolis since as far as I know metropolis means kind of a big city...are there other meanings?
At 08:10 AM 3/11/99 -0800, Joe DeAngelo wrote: > >Bill Huston said: >> Who says this story is over? The 'ending' is so controvers ial it > leaves open ends that really aren't answered here. Based on this, I = >> believe there is a Met III. But it won't be a whole album, just one > long song maybe on the next album ala Met I to wrap this thing up. Any > takers? > >I'd like to see a Met III song, sure..... I'm happy with the ambiguity >of the end though, and I'd actually rather see Met III (if it ever >happens) actually go BACK further (I'm making an assumption here now >that the whole story has played out many times, and goes back hundreds >of years), and actually explain the origins of Metropolis, Miracle, and >Sleeper. > >Hell, as confusing as the end of SFaM might have been - - I think the >end is still much clearer than any explanation of the terms Metropolis, >Miracle, and Sleeper. I mean, this is so confusing nobody is even >stepping forward and given any opinions. > >- Joe D. > >
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:18:02 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Tour: DT + Dixie Dregs + Spock's Beard ?! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991104061802.015f85c8@pi-r-squared.com>
At 03:13 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Omg, > Just read a review linked from the DT site (by Ghostland), and at the >end of it is "[DT] plans to rehearse the new material extensively with >the intent of playing the entire piece live when they embark on a U.S. >tour with the Dixie Dregs and Spock's Beard in January of 2000." > Has anyone else fallen out of his/her chair yet? Wow, The Dregs, DT >and Spock's Beard. I don't think I'm going to get any work done >tonight... ;-)
AND SPOCK'S BEARD?!?!?! I hadn't heard. Can someone confirm this?! Please! Last I heard the third band hadn't been announced, oh man that would totally rock!!!!
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:30:17 +1100 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Metropolis Message-ID: <382127F9.D1C5A29C@alphalink.com.au>
I don't know if this has been gone over yet, I didn't read the jam until I got the album, but why is it called Metropolis? The word doesn't seem to have much to do with the plot. I think the word fits nicely with the instrumental sections more than the lyrics- big industrial landscapes, that is beautiful in its harshness- kind of like Blade Runner.
I really like the 'circus-music' bit, but I don't think its circus-music, its cabaret. Kind of like 'The Threepenny Opera' which is from about the same time. The mood of the music hasn't changed much since the gambling scene, so I think this whole piece is meant to be about living the high life and all that.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:38:19 EST From: BloodMystX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5169 Message-ID: <0.65dbbb6d.255291eb@aol.com>
The following post is in reference to schi2299@fredonia.edu's (Drew's) guitar question...A D5/A chord (or an inverted power chord) sounds heavier or lower because of what isn't there...In the D5/A chord, which is composed of A (5th), D (Root), and A (Octave), the root note, D, sounds to be insinuated as the "D" below open E--Same with C5/G (root being C below open E), B5/F# (root being B below open E, which is to which what seven strings are tuned), or even A5/E (root being A below open E--even though it sounds kinda silly trying to get away with that chord)...The low root really isn't there, but it sounds as if it is, hence it sounding heavier or lower...Pantera uses these chords constantly...I hope that answers your question...
Tony-First Time YtseJammer... BloodMystX@aol.com
PS: I haven't specifically listened for it yet, but I haven't heard the utilization of the 7-string yet...Maybe it appears very modestly, but I haven't heard it yet, even after 20 or so listens...;)
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:03:02 +0100 From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Compress ???? Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D350681CD58@julia.um.be>
<People...you can burn hours of music onto a cd if you put it on there in <compressed format, like mp3. < <-Brian
Except that my home/car cd player don't recognise it.
HeinV
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0400 From: webmaster@yunque.net (Webmaster) To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5169 Message-ID: <002401bf26c8$853c4ee0$37351ec8@yunque.net>
> The following post is in reference to schi2299@fredonia.edu's (Drew's) guitar The low root really isn't there, but it > sounds as if it is, hence it sounding heavier or lower...Pantera uses these > chords constantly...I hope that answers your question...
If this is what i think it is, Petrucci also did this in the live in Tokyo video, back when he did puppies on acid with the 6string. Also afaik he doesnt use the 7th string on this, which also surprised me. I think it could be because either they planned to play this live as a whole from the start, and he usually doesnt use his 7 unless needed, or else he could play entire shows on the 7 string, but he doesnt.
> > PS: I haven't specifically listened for it yet, but I haven't heard the > utilization of the 7-string yet...Maybe it appears very modestly, but I > haven't heard it yet, even after 20 or so listens...;)
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:50:59 -0500 From: "M P" <mremann6@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: our belated insights on a jigsaw puzzle assembled wrong Message-ID: <199911040537274@mremann6.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>> This is another thing that confused me. If he's supposed to be >> seeing scenes from Victoria's memory, then why is he also seeing >>scenes from Edward and Julian's memories, eg: "Home." >Now, here I think is where we are going wrong. Nick is seeing >visions from Victoria's life, as he says in SDV. He's not seeing >anything from Ed or Julian's life.
Home is a narrative, giving everyone's motivation. It is not a vision. The same is also true for the 7 lines following Sleeper's part in FF. It is pure narration, as there is no one that could shed light on this scene with the given perspective.
>I think, maybe, we're not giving Nick enough credit here. I think >he finds out a lot outside of hypnosis. >His visions draw him to a house, and there he meets a man who >tells him about Victoria's murder (FT).
Echo's Hill, Julian's (?)home. The man is likely a caretaker.
This song could also be a part of Nick's dreams.
>Not getting enough answers, he digs a little >deeper, uncovering newspaper reports and what have you from 1928 >(BTL).
yes. very good.
> He visits her grave and thinks he understands (THE),
NO
Through Her Eyes does not stand alone in time. Another song helps conclude the scene here and Nick finds resolution. That cannot happen this early in the story.
>but still he doesn't have peace - something just isn't right, but >he can't figure out what (OLT).
only the first part; we are guessing this song spans two different time periods, one before and after he has resolved his mystery.
>Eventually he goes to a hypnotherapist for help (R). >Under hypnosis, he is regressed to a point >where he sees how Victoria was killed (FF).
FF is split chronologically across several time spans.
Nick would only see the death scene - Miracle's part he'd have to infer on his own, since Victoria's memory doesn't extend that far. Nick'd then be woken up and leave. End FF for now.
>The intro to FF, with the hypnotherapist waking Nick, actually takes > place after the song itself, which was what Nick saw after the >therapist told him "Now it is time to see how you died." Beyond >This Life can't take place after this line in Fatal Tragedy, even if > it is right after it on the CD - that isn't how Victoria died. BTL >is only a newspaper, FF is the real thing. If he's looking through >Victoria's eyes, he's going to see FF.
good reasoning.
>Basically, I think everything to do with Nick after Regression is > there to tell us the story leading up to him going to the >hypnotherapist (not counting the bits where the hypnotherapist is >actually talking, obviously).
for the most part.
>The bits of the story about Ed and Julian are told by them - >Nick might see some of it through Victoria's eyes, but the actual >story is told by the 1928 cast. Nick's regression >is really just a frame to put their story in.
yes.
>At the end, Nick finishes his story, telling us how he's finally >free because he now understands, thanks to the regression he's just >undergone.
that is the agent. He's free because Vic's spirit can rest.
>So what happens after all that? I have no clue.
you have several. They're just spread out.
>I don't even know who it is driving up in the car. There's no reason > to think that it has to be Nick.
true. We also have no reason to think that Edgar brought the gun to the fight (though he fired the killing shots).
>When whoever it is gets out of the car, their footsteps going up to > the door sound fairly brisk and solid.
Correctly inferred, this means that the person they belong to is going someplace fairly routine or where he belongs, as opposed to sneaking into someone else's house.
>Two sets of footsteps? Probably. What's up with the crunching? It >sounds like they're outside, but they sure seem to be walking >around making drinks, turning off TVs and putting on records.
These sounds are not distant, either so the likelihood of them being heard from outside are unlikely. Besides, we hear the car's radio blaring FROM AFAR soon after this sound sequence starts.
>Also, if the therapist is inside to start with, waiting for Nick to > turn up so that he can kill him, don't you think he's a >little relaxed about things?
Yes, but he's had a LONG time to wait. People do dumb things when they're impatient.
see below for what we mean
>Do you really think that someone lurking in someone >else's house is going to watch a bit of TV and get themselves a > drink? He seems a little too comfortable for it to be the >therapist waiting inside. snip + >Although, I have to say that killing someone because in a past >life they were someone who you didn't like in a past life is a >pretty flimsy motive.
We're out of no-prizes, but it should be pointed out that anyone that would kill someone over something as flimsy as DESTINY is not sane.
>The other thing is the fade in of the music from FF when he's >making a drink. If it's the car pulling up, why don't we hear the >car itself? All we hear is the music - we don't hear the engine, >or the car door closing.
possibly a mistake, possibly the sound sample for the car door got buried under other things. The engine you may or may not hear.
After the last session at the hypnotherapist, Nick does not go straight home. He may or may not go back to Echo's Hill (OLT, Nicholas' 2nd part). He DOES go to Vic's grave at this point. Through Her Eyes is tied to The Spirit Carries On, as Nicholas is at her grave when Victoria tells him to move on. Victoria herself seems to have found resolution, and the only way that could happen is through Nicholas finding the truth. Nicholas accepts his discoveries and also finds peace.
The final sequence for this album: FF: H (OLT: N2) THE TSCO: N1, V, N2 FF: N the unofficial track 13
More for your debate, JAJUID
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