YTSEJAM Digest 5169
Today's Topics:
1) Re: SFaM
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
2) Fates Warning Tribute - New to the list....
by Strosenet@aol.com
3) Home single
by Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
4) Re: vision thing
by Greg Hulse <ghulse@esc.net.au>
5) Vitalij-V3- No Grassy Knoll Content
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
6) Malmsteen?! (NDTC)
by "Lauzon, Gary: #IHAB-NGR - AAI-RND" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca>
7) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5167
by "Verhoef, Pieter-Joost" <Pieter-Joost.Verhoef@nl.origin-it.com>
8) frenchies.....
by "Andr=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9s?= Falc=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F3n?= " <anfalcon@cvmail.cl>
9) Met Part III
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
10) Re: Japanese bonus?
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
11) The answer is ours - find all you need in your mind
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
12) Re: S.O.D. Live
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
13) Keep it to Yourself?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Re: Two open questions
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
15) SFaM: Star Wars Pt. VII?
by Benjamin James Gateno <bg003i@mail.rochester.edu>
16) Re: frenchies.....
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
17) Iron Maiden "Episode XIII: The Beast Strikes Back"
by Volodya <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
18) Re: A Video Should Be Made of Finally Free
by "Simon Christie" <sj.christie@virgin.net>
19) SFAM guitar stuff
by Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu>
20) AOL IM
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
21) RE: Hope this creates another twist
by "Wifreddy Chiang" <wchiang@tricom.net>
22) Parrot Droppings now available on e-bay
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5165
by "Paul Evans" <paul.evans@esltd.com>
24) Stuffy nonsense
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:24:19 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFaM
Message-ID: <38203783.9842C592@siol.net>
>>< > John Petrucci stated in an interview
>> after a clinic, that the story is roughly about
>> the MAN WHO'S TRYING TO FIND THE KILLER OF HIS WIFE
>> IN HER PAST LIFE. ><
>
>Either you misheard him, or Mike is the only guy in the band who has any idea
>what the hell the story's about (remember laBrie said the character's name
>was Victoria Julian?).
Well I read it in our weekly TV guide called STOP. Any slovenian
jammer here to back me up?? *grumble* ...again on my own :)
Oh well... It could be that the moron chick that interiewed John
isn't the smartest of her kind. She did ask some incredibly stupid
questions :)
Matej
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:54:07 EST
From: Strosenet@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Fates Warning Tribute - New to the list....
Message-ID: <0.cd2e6ea9.2551987f@aol.com>
Hey everyone... Mike from Planet Sarcasm here... just wanted to let everyone
know that the Fates Warning Tribute is now available... the songlist is -
1. Planet Sarcasm - APSOG Part II
2. Mayadome - The Strand
3. Steel Prophet - The Apparition
4. Spiral Architect - Prelude to Ruin
5. Dreamline - Nothing Left to Say
6. Vendetta - Monument
7. Prymary - Outside Looking In
8. Finalxit - The Eleventh Hour
9. Reignstorm - We Only Say Goodbye
10. Morpheus Web - The Sorceress
11. Soundscape - Fata Morgana
12. Wolverine - APSOG XII
You can get all the info and order the CD from
http://www.planetsarcasm.com/fw.htm
Please take a minute to check out my bands page - http://www.planetsarcasm.com
Thanks
MIKE - PLANET SARCASM
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:19:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Home single
Message-ID: <199911031419.JAA02432@polaris.sju.edu.sju.edu>
Does anyone know if the Home single has been released yet?? I am interested
to see if there will be any unreleased tracks or anything like that on the
single. Maybe they will provide more information as to the story or ending
with some unreleased material?! Who knows what they might do. Anyway, if
anyone has seen anything, let me know. Also, I have a feeling that DT is
going to disclose a lot of information during their concert. I just get the
feeling that they might have a big video screen possibly playing a movie
of the story in between songs or during the entire song......just a thought,
so don't let the rumors of them making a movie start :)
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:54:35 +1030
From: Greg Hulse <ghulse@esc.net.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: vision thing
Message-ID: <382045A2.16C7A584@esc.net.au>
Chris Oates wrote:
> Read "The Miracle" lyrics on Finally free. This takes place AFTER julian
> and Victoria are dead. How can Nick know this if he is only seeing things
> from Vic's point of view?
This is only a problem if you assume that Nick does know this. These lines are
told by the Miracle. They are in the past (italics). Nicholas is not telling
this story, the Miracle is.
Nicholas is not aware of anything that Julian or Edward says in Home. He
doesn't know what Ed is thinking in Finally Free. My point is that there are
two stories being told here.
One is Nick's story, set in the present, and is about him being haunted by
visions of Victoria's life and his quest to find understanding and freedom. The
other story is 1928, and is told by Edward, Julian and Victoria. Nick sees this
through Victoria's eyes, but it's a separate story. They're linked by the fact
that Nicholas can see the 1928 story through Victoria's eyes in his visions.
All Nick knows is what Victoria knows. Anything else from the past is somone
else telling their part of the story. You only assume that Nick knows it
because it appears that it's part of Nick's regression - but it isn't. It's
you, the listener, observing the events of 1928.
--- Thought she deserved No less than she'd giveg
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:54:10 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Vitalij-V3- No Grassy Knoll Content Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB4FB8@ms.kallback.com>
Just picked up the new Vitalij Kuprij and it's pretty good although he seems to be a getting a little predictable in his style and sounds. (Maybe becoming the Yngwie of keyboards?) :) At least he has good guitarists on his cds. First Greg Howe, then George Bellas, now Tony MacAlpine. I wonder if VK will show up on Tony Mac's new one* like he did on Greg Howe's last one. It says in the notes "All songs written by VK" but the intro to track 3, Alternative Diversion, is clearly Chopin's Sonata in C Minor. Trevor *supposedly released but backordered at CDNow, of course.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:54:09 -0500 From: "Lauzon, Gary: #IHAB-NGR - AAI-RND" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Malmsteen?! (NDTC) Message-ID: <199911031511.HAA21775@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Hello Jammerz!
I bought his album Alchemy yesterday.. very good album.. i like it more then Trilogy and Odyssey but not better then his first one.. is animal kind of like this ALchemy..??! Is someone could email me like a list of his albums and how good they are.. i would really appreciate it!!!
Mr. ProG
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:19:07 +0100 From: "Verhoef, Pieter-Joost" <Pieter-Joost.Verhoef@nl.origin-it.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5167 Message-ID: <B13A246878CBD0118B6300805FC14755A7C0E5@nldhx001.dhajvn.nl.origin-it.com>
Guys/girls,
Excuse me for this lame intro-posting, but I wonder wether I can receive this list per email and not via digest?
I'm Pieter-Joost Verhoef (in the interview on WDHA with Mike, I was the name they could't pronounce :} Dutch, IT-Consultant, 28, wife, no kids + Total DT-Nerd
cu round pj
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:36:17 -0400 From: "Andr=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9s?= Falc=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F3n?= " <anfalcon@cvmail.cl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: frenchies..... Message-ID: <199911031542.HAA22194@fugazi.torchsong.com>
> > >Does James LaBrie speak a lot of French?? > >-ytsetex > I bet he doesn=B4t, on OiaLT he says "bon jour" instead of "bon soir", was the show some sort of matinee?, i don=B4t think so..plus, he=B4s not from Quebec, so he wouldn=B4t have to be french spoken. (but, who cares???, i bet he, and most of you guys, cant=B4t speak a word of spanish...that=B4s all that matters to me....)
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:01:35 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Met Part III Message-ID: <38205C5F.38A64A24@home.com>
Bill Huston said: > Who says this story is over? The 'ending' is so controvers ial it > leaves open ends that really aren't answered here. Based on this, I = > believe there is a Met III. But it won't be a whole album, just one > long song maybe on the next album ala Met I to wrap this thing up. Any > takers?
I'd like to see a Met III song, sure..... I'm happy with the ambiguity of the end though, and I'd actually rather see Met III (if it ever happens) actually go BACK further (I'm making an assumption here now that the whole story has played out many times, and goes back hundreds of years), and actually explain the origins of Metropolis, Miracle, and Sleeper.
Hell, as confusing as the end of SFaM might have been - - I think the end is still much clearer than any explanation of the terms Metropolis, Miracle, and Sleeper. I mean, this is so confusing nobody is even stepping forward and given any opinions.
- Joe D.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:45:55 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Japanese bonus? Message-ID: <19991103.204556.243.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
THANK YOU! > > The Japanese pressing does NOT, repeat: NOT have any bonus tracks or > CDs. Just a sticker with the artwork.
ytseJon
Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:56:07 GMT From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Cc: jkruger@ee.net Subject: The answer is ours - find all you need in your mind Message-ID: <199911031650.LAA26715@ee.net>
Some nutbar ( Philip Griffiths <griffith@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> ) wrote this:
> Hi everyone,
> I've seen people write to the jam saying that we won't actually know > the real answer to the story of Met II until the band tells it. That's > bull- there is no real answer, and there can't be. We can't take the > story and extrapolate the whole, absolute meaning and neither can the > band; just because they wrote the thing doesn't mean that they can tell us- > the listeners-what it really means! The meaning of a story lies in the > readers (or listeners) -us- and is not a fixed equation actually contained > within the story. The band may have their version-but that's all it is: > one possible version amongst countless others. All theories developed > by the jammers (and others) have the potential to be true just because > the creators of these theories believe them to be true.....that's what > art is all about!
That's funny, because I had just finished writing this rant when I read that message:
I know that I'm not normal because so many people have told me that I'm not. still... I can't help but think that a lot of people are taking the wrong approach by attempting to "figure out" the meaning of SFaM. I never understood why people do that. For me, it is not a puzzle to be solved; it is a piece of music to be experienced. Maybe I'm just a selfish prick (I've been told that once or twice as well), but the only meaning that I care about is the meaning that I GET from the music. I don't give a rat's hairy butt what was going thru the mind of the creator when the music was created. I only care about what goes thru my mind, my heart, my soul when I hear, feel, and experience the music. I only care about how the music affects me. The significance of a work to me is not what the artist intended the piece to say, but rather what the piece says to me. When I read articles about music and interviews with artists where a certain piece is discussed, I'm not really bothered if the "real" meaning is different from my own, because for me the ONLY real meaning is my own. I'm not going to let another person's perceptions or reactions distort or change my own, including the creator's. I feel the same way about visual and literary art as well. I always despised those high-school and college literary courses where we were expected to "find" the "correct" metaphors that the author was expressing. To me, that was merely an intellectual exercise that diminished the emotional significance of the artwork. The entire process of analyzing a work of art to understand the meaning that the artist intended strikes me as pointless and somewhat cold. I don't really care if I didn't receive the message that the artist intended. Often I do, especially when the message is clear and literal, and that's fine as well. What is important to me is that I've put myself into the music instead of just sitting there listening to it with merely a critical or analytical ear. I can't imagine someone doing this with something that I created. If I were a member of Dream Theater and someone came up to me and asked "what does SFAM mean?", I would think that it must not mean anything to him. To me, that would demonstrate a failed connection between me, the artist, and him, the listener. After it happened enough times, though, I would conclude that people are just lazy - that people don't want to participate in music. They just want to passively, rather than actively, experience music. They don't want to feel their own feelings and think their own thoughts, they want to be told how they're supposed to feel and what they're supposed to think. That is what I've concluded about many of the people on ytsejam. If you are a person who has to wait for some official explanation or group consensus to have a meaning to SFAM, I think you are missing the entire point of music. I've seen a few people say that if one of the members of the band were to say "it means what you want it to mean" or "find the meaning for yourself" that the band member was "copping out", that that particular explanation was weak. I say - bullshit - if you have to ask what it means, then you are the one who is copping out.
Sorry for the interruption, please resume the previously scheduled bleating already in progress...
Joe jkruger@ee.net
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:22:55 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: S.O.D. Live Message-ID: <38206F6F.3C849A7@wezl.org>
Woah!!! I have to check that tour out! Did they do any cool "Ode"'s??? For example "Ode to Jimi Hendrix" or anything like that?
Kurt M Hampton wrote: > > I don't know how many round here like S.O.D. at 1 point time or another, > but I saw them live on Halloween night. Scott was about a half a foot > away during march of the Sod, we were right in front right below him. > Billy was completely drunk, and was being a complete asshole. I never > realized how fast Charlie can play. All in all, I can't describe the > headbanging taht went on, my neck still hurts, but if "The Killith Fair" > heads your way, check it out > > Kurt > NP-Slayer Live Intrusion > > "and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on > going"-Doubledrive > New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out In Stores NOW! > "I don't know how the guys in Slayer are going to live past 40"-Paul > Blocker > See Queensryche on Tour this fall! www.queensryche.com for latest dates! > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:13:47 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Keep it to Yourself? Message-ID: <000c01bf261e$e0ad6e80$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
> the listeners-what it really means! The meaning of a story lies in the > readers (or listeners) -us- and is not a fixed equation actually contained
I really think that the lines here explain it best:
"Better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret" "This Fatal Tragedy was talked about for years."
Could this be the band's forecast? :) I don't think they'll ever spill the beans. In fact, I really hope they don't. Seal's booklet for his first album (and all others, afaik) doesn't contain the lyrics to any of the songs. It says something like, "I'd rather let you hear what you want to hear than lay it all out for you." I mean, imagine if Michaelangelo or Beethoven came back and explained everything they were thinking when they crafted their masterpieces. You wouldn't see the picture the same again. Knowning the secret to the mystery detracts from you own private experience when it becomes a public experience. :)
"Just close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind." -- KorgX3 has to go potty.
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:26:53 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Two open questions Message-ID: <3820705D.B86E4C80@wezl.org>
You have WAY too much time on your hands :) I'm still crackin' up over this one!!!
"Gallop, Neil" wrote:
> letters in "Nicholas/Vicoria" gives "can oh via clitoris". > > 2: who shot Nicholas? His car. How do I know? The procedure mentioned > above also gives "car shoot civilian". >
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:30:30 -0500 From: Benjamin James Gateno <bg003i@mail.rochester.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFaM: Star Wars Pt. VII? Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.10.9911031204570.326612-100000@mail1.ats.rochester.edu>
My theory:
I think Nick finds out in hypnosis that he is the reincarnation of Victoria, but also finds out that Victoria is the hypnotist's great-aunt, so therefore Nick is related to the hypnotist. But here's where it gets interesting: the story unfolds to find that the hypnotist is the reincarnation of Julian, making him a long-lost brother of Eddie (we find that out because the old man at the house states in a subliminal message that "Julian, I am your father [reincarnated of course]." This leads Nick to belive that he is now a messenger of this information and is supposed to tell the Hypno this in his next hypno session.) Since the Hypno is now related to both Victoria/Nick, and Edward, this raises the issue of incest to be dealed with in Metropolis Pt. III, which is actually pre-Met. Pt. I in the series. The murder happens because Ed finds out about Julian and Victoria getting too close, and he doesn't want to ruin the family name. He also finds out Victoria's step-mother (Nicholas's grandmother's best friend) cared for Victoria and took out quite an insurance policy on here life. Because of that, Ed convinces Julian to take Victoria's maiden name, thereby getting Ed closer to Vic, than just sharing common blood. He then kills her, and Julian (Vic on purpose, Julian by accident when he trips on a crack in the sidewalk [due to poor maintainence] and the gun fires only to kill Julian). Then, he collects both the insurance on Victoria AND Julian, and prevents the community from gossiping about rumors of inscest. With the money, Ed runs a vigorous campaign, and gets elected Senator. In the middle of hypnosis, the Hyno exposes this to Nicholas in order to expose his corrupt brother, and that's what Metropolis Pt. II is about.
Cool!
Ben
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:49:27 -0400 From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: frenchies..... Message-ID: <000d01bf2623$c6052500$37351ec8@yunque.net>
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Andrés Falcón <anfalcon@cvmail.cl> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:50 AM Subject: frenchies.....
> > > > > > >Does James LaBrie speak a lot of French?? > > > >-ytsetex > > > I bet he doesn=B4t, on OiaLT he says "bon jour" instead of "bon soir", was the > show some sort of matinee?, i don=B4t think so..plus, he=B4s not from Quebec, so > he wouldn=B4t have to be french spoken. (but, who cares???, i bet he, and most > of you guys, cant=B4t speak a word of spanish...that=B4s all that matters to > me....) > >
Im pretty sure most of them know the basics like nacho, taco bell, burrito. :) (if anyone hasnt noticed im hispanic, i always get a kick out of butt-head going "uh-brdsdrbrb -rico suave"
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:04:25 +0100 From: Volodya <oanrec@club-internet.fr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Iron Maiden "Episode XIII: The Beast Strikes Back" Message-ID: <38207929.47F0E0AA@club-internet.fr>
Hello,
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Take care, Volodya.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:30:16 -0000 From: "Simon Christie" <sj.christie@virgin.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: A Video Should Be Made of Finally Free Message-ID: <008501bf262b$00e4b120$9287fc3e@simonchr>
I think the coolest thing that I would love to see but will never happen is if they turned SFAM into a theatre production with DT an orchestra and a gospel choir in the pit. The only problem is who would JLB play, because unless he wanted to dress in drag and have costume changes all the time it would be hard.
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:14 PM Subject: Re: A Video Should Be Made of Finally Free
> > > > I would shit my pants if Dream Theater made a video with actors playing > out > > the scenes that Finally Free portrays. Hell i'd even direct the f'n > > thing...if DT wants to make a kick ass video I'd do it! > > > > How many of you would love to see it played out on Screen! it would just > be > > so cool..kinda like Guns n roses - novemeber rain triplogy ofvideos...why > > dont' dream theater do somethign like that! I would just faint in > ecstacy!!! > > > > later > > blex > > It would be cool, but it would require a lot of dough to make it look as > good as the GNR videos, if not, it would look verrrrry cheesy. Also, in last > night's interview, portnoy mentioned that the money theyd spent on "single" > videos, theyd rather spend it on long form/live videos, because afterall DT > isnt a "single" band. > > >
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM guitar stuff Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9911031352180.23896-100000@bluedevil.cc.fredonia.edu>
Alright, so who's working on some tabs for SFAM ? :) I saw that a couple are already up on UACM, and I've managed to figure out a few parts on my own (middle and end of Finally Free, electric parts of THE, parts of Home, etc), but some complete tabs of Home and FF would be really nice, and I'm not nearly proficient enough a guitar player to do them. Has anybody been working on them ?
Also, does anyone know which songs JP uses the 7 string ? I've been wondering if he uses it on Home, but I'm not sure. For the heavy verse riff I just play a D5/A without the D5 octave. It sounds right, but I'm not totally sure.
A guitar question for the experts out there. I've been wondering about this for a while - why are chords like D5/A heavier or lower than an E5 ? I mean, you'd think that the lowest chord would use the lowest note as the root, but this doesn't seem to be the case - why ? Just something that's been bugging me but I'm sure has a simple answer.
Alrighty, that's it for now.
Drew
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:50:54 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: AOL IM Message-ID: <19991103.232245.243.1.willeyatc@juno.com>
I am "jonwilley" on AOL IM... That would be a cool place to DT chat...
ytsejon
On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:07:22 -0800 (PST) "rascal king99" <rascal_king99@hotmail.com> writes: > > does anyone out there have AOL Instant Messenger? i always try to > findDT > fans on teh search thing, but i never do. My screen name is > YtseBen. and > also, when nich is woken at the end, he screams. now that i think > about it, > it could easily be him getting killed or startled. they made this > story so > complex. that'd be really funny if they released teh info and we > were all > so off target, and teh story was actually kinda simple. oh boy i'd > be mad. > the first thing i thought when i heard teh creaking at teh end, was > someone > hanging fromt eh rafter from a rope, but that makes no sense now. > whatever. > it'll make sense some day, and if it doesn't it's great to listen > to. > peace. > > YtseBen > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
ytseJon
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:45:07 -0500 From: "Wifreddy Chiang" <wchiang@tricom.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Hope this creates another twist Message-ID: <NDBBJIOLOCANEMPGCOJJCEDNCAAA.wchiang@tricom.net>
Hi, im Will, and this is my first post...
I dont know if im right or wrong, I just hope some of you guys clear this out for me...
Since everytime I read this newsletter I find some new interesting plots,= I thought that I should just try whith this one... What makes you think that the guy in the car HAS to be Nick? Maybe is the Hypnotherapist, and maybe that=B4s a reason why you dont hea= r anyone turning on the TV...maybe that=B4s why you hear FF when NIck is po= uring his drink in the background.
I dont know..
Wifreddy Chiang wchiang@tricom.net <mailto:wchiang@tricom.net> http://www.angelfire.com/on/maddito
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:04:38 -0600 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Parrot Droppings now available on e-bay Message-ID: <38208746.92F4B92D@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
HEP ME!!! I BEEN HIP-MO-TIZED!!!!
Someone (sorry, I forgot to paste your name and I deleted the jam already) wrote: > At this point, no theories about the Hypno killing Nicholas in the end can be > correct. So the bands own statements foil any guesses! > comments?
"If you're up against someone more intelligent than you are, do something totally insane and let him think himself to death." --- Pyanfar Chanur
Which is not to say that's what they're doing.
If you're into figuring shit like that out, hey that's cool. Whatever floats yer boat. I don't mind going up the creek w/o a paddle as long I'm not the only one getting wet :P What I dig about instrumental bands like The Dixie Dregs (and Steve Morse Band), Rudess/Morgenstien Project, and Jon Finn Group is that because there are no lyrics the 'message' has no choice but to come from the sound.
Put me in the Neil Gallop/Andrew Countermarsh (et al.) camp of placing the music above lyrics/storyline. It's the parts where there's singing that end up being the breaks in between the instrumental sections I'm waiting to hear.
Guess I'm just weird like that; I can actually listen to James singing sometimes and not focus on WHAT he's saying but just hear the sound/tambre of his voice. James is really good at making that work with the mood of the moment. Like in Voices when the verss "I'm kneeling on the floor", for example. One of Labrie's finest moments, IMNSHO. Just a sweet section, total release right after all that tension set up by JP & MP coming at you like a stranger with a gun :)
James: > but not *every* instrumental piece has to "go somewhere." havent you ever > played simply because you love to play and not because you have to convey > your emotions to your audience?
That's still going somewhere. and the 'love to play' was where you went :) I hope you didn't go there yourself ;)
But I know what you meant :)
The only rule to remember so that the fabric of space and time aren't ripped apart violently is:
"No matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Bonzai
Regards, Jon
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:18:27 -0800 From: "Paul Evans" <paul.evans@esltd.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5165 Message-ID: <009201bf2638$97a41440$2aace1cc@falcon.wlv.esltd.com>
Simon Dodd wrote:
>His solos were by-and-large dull >and pedestrian, as were FAR too many of JP's (look out! He's got a harmonic >minor scale - AND HE'S GONNA' USE IT! LOTS!).
Umm, I obviously disagree with your opinion here, but I am curious... How would you have done things differently? As far as I hear it, the progression being played over called for that scale. Or would you have him playing outside the current key? This isn't exactly jazz :-) LTE is a different type of music, calling for more outside playing, if that's what you're getting at.
So, what are you getting at?
Oh, and to the guy who called Jordan the Yngwie of the keyboard world, you're way off base, because if he was Yngwie, he would have played the same spectacular run over and over thru the whole cd!!!
I gotta say I think everything is very tastefully done. And jeez, this is Dream Theater. If you want "underplaying", you've got the wrong band!!!
Paul - Wondering what would make these guys happy???
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:23:08 GMT From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Stuffy nonsense Message-ID: <19991103202308.59731.qmail@hotmail.com>
>My only bitch about the album is that there aren't any photogs of >James' >sweet ass. Woo baby. If only he were a woman. Doh again! Hey, I thought *I* was the only one who used to date a DT lookalike? My ex was a dead ringer for JP. Had about the same dexterity, too..;)
I have a theory about the end of SFaM. Nick nods off, hasa bad dream about coming round from the hypno, thinks he here's Hypno, falls off his chair with a "Woooooahh!", and knocks the record player off. Hmm.
>Im sick of reading people posting crap putting down anything or >anyone in >this band. We have no room to bash anything DT has done. I won't even >bother putting in your justifications for the above, because it's crap! If >being a fan means mindlessly accepting whatever DT puts out without any >comment or criticism, then unsub my arse from this list right now! And >while you're at it, forget the list. I don't think that there's anyone on >here who's NEVER ONCE bitched about ANYTHING DT have done, be it the player >piano or the piano player. Jeez, get with it! And on the long, hard journey >out of your arse, try to learn the difference between CRITICISM and ABUSE.
>Well, first of all, define "go somewhere." You define "go somewhere"! At the end of the piece, do you feel like the intervening time has been any good, or could it have done with shedding half of the deadweight?
>Secondly, the vocals are there because lyrics are written. That's it. It >conveys the lyrics and what they're about. I think you need a bigger record collection, if you REALLY think that. But OK, we'll stay in a prog context: "The Great Gig in the Sky" - great lyrics there, right? The voice is an instrument just like any other, except more versatile, since it can convey not only pitch and rhythm, but inflection and hence verbalisations. I think people use different lyrics as an excuse to use the same melody OVER AND OVER again. I guess it depends upon one's attitude: Roger Waters sees the tune as being a vehicle for the lyrics; David Gilmour sees the lyrics as a means to extend a tune to twice the length that you can get out of the melody.
>It's just music. Music is music. Don't look *too* deeply into it. After the last week of postings on the Jam, you're either joking or very dumb.
>>No offence, but I think you're WAAAAAAAY off-beam. Metropolis was >>never >>intended to have a part two, it was just a little in-joke, >>Petrucci >>poking fun at the whole prog thing that the song was doing. >You really think that? He may be a nice guy, but you think he's >the sort to make jokes with DT? I think he's MUCH more into straight That depends upon how you'd like to define a joke. Perhaps you'd like it better if I called it "A little Floyd/Rush/YES homage"? It comes down to the same thing. You've got to remember here, when DT wrote Met1, they were a bunch of kids (early 20s, right?), albeit very gifted ones. Sure I think he put in a little joke; perhaps not a laugh out loud one, but more of a wry smile kinda thing. The lyrics were written as said homage (source: FAQ), so I can't believe that this was ever intended. But the myth worked too well, and I suspect that around the time of the FII sessions, they kinda got to thinking, "Well, y'know...It's not such a bad idea to do a sequel". My suspicion is that it got binend because they realised that you couldn't write a sequel per se...
>laced composition. I think they fully intended to follow up Met 1 >with a >Met 2, though I believe they intended to write it later in ..And so they produce Met2, which is more like a bastard half-cousin of Met1 than it's successor. Apart from the hammy references, and a plot built around two names picked out of Met1, what's the similarity? You co8uld spout some vague points about general themes, but that's like saying that JLMB is the offspring of WFS and TTT - maybe they planned that riff to recur throughout their career all along? I doubt it. To me, SFaM just seems like they've expanded Met1 to 7 times its original length. And yes, the cracks DO show.
>I don't think anyone said it was their grand plan, That's the implication behind all this talk about Vic being on the I&W cover etc. etc., conscious or not.
>but it seems entirely as logical to presume that they had the >intention of >writing this song one day as it does for you to pretend you know this to be >false. True, none of us know. I doubt that JP will enlighten us either way, because the band WANTS us to buy into the whole mistique; that's what's spawned the whole firestorm over Met2. I'm just suggesting how extraordinarily unlikely it seems to be that this was the plan all along. Perhaps KevMo knows?
>That's kind of inappropriate. No, it's my point of view; this being a DISCUSSION list, and being that discussions are produced when people of different points of view debate them, I'd say it's wholly appropriate.
Si
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