YTSEJAM Digest 5156
Today's Topics:
1) Player Piano
by Matthew Turk <sataiwilco@usa.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5155
by "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5155
by "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
4) aych ee double drumsticks
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
5) Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
6) Re: Something else to think about
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
7) RE: TDoE
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
8) JFK vs JFK Jr.
by "Rob Bowen" <rfbow@erols.com>
9) MORE NOTICE! The rest of the story. *SPOILERS*
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) DT 12/10 @ Toad's Place? No December shows? Which is it?
by Mike A Marshall <marshallm@juno.com>
11) New ending theory
by Brian Kirk <bkirk@dendrite.net>
12) Cutting the SFaM cake down the middle...
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
13) Re: MORE NOTICE! The rest of the story. *SPOILERS*
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5155
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
15) Re: Met 2 - The Music
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@mindspring.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5155
by WAxlRose01@aol.com
17) ramblings
by "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
18) get this
by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
19) Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
by JamesAhab@aol.com
20) Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
by "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com>
21) Is it even worth dissenting?
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
22) my hero of the day
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
23) Re: Get it, Serious stuff, Out Damned LaBrie
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
24) Re: MORE NOTICE! The rest of the story. *SPOILERS*
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
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Date: 29 Oct 99 21:40:35 EDT
From: Matthew Turk <sataiwilco@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Player Piano
Message-ID: <19991030014036.17656.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net>
<<It is not a question of being upset or sense of humour or so... Technic=
ally
and musically it is really okay, it just does NOT fit into the rest of th=
e
song - IMHO.>>
I agree with you. In some instances -- Silent Sorrow by the Flower Kings=
, for
example -- some deviations from the mood can actually work to the betterm=
ent
of the piece... but while I enjoy the music, isolated, it really doesn't=
fit
for me inside the context of the song.
mjt
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:05:15 -0400
From: "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5155
Message-ID: <199910300206.TAA00564@fugazi.torchsong.com>
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>From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5155
>Date: Fri, Oct 29, 1999, 9:44 PM
>
>> i cant believe how many people dislike this, i thought
>> not only was it
>> funny, but musically something that they never did
>> before. it also segues
>> very nicely into the next bit following it.
>>
>> stan
>
>stan i could not agree with you more. I love this little
>part in TDoE.
whats even funnier is that i have read in a few jams that people are blaming
jordan for this little part. It's not inconceivable that this could have
been a mike idea or a John(s) idea
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:08:19 -0400
From: "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5155
Message-ID: <199910300209.TAA00667@fugazi.torchsong.com>
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>From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5155
>Date: Fri, Oct 29, 1999, 9:44 PM
>
>I can't tell exactly for sure, but notice that the high hat accents Mike
>uses right before James' "Shine - Lake of Fire" part starts uses the same
>pattern as the ending roll for Lie.
actually, i do believe that to be patterned after a the met 1 riff that
introduces the vocals in the first verse.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: aych ee double drumsticks
Message-ID: <19991030023219.16051.rocketmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com>
]From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
.but notice that the high hat accents Mike uses
right before James' "Shine - Lake of Fire" part starts
uses the same pattern as the ending roll for Lie.I
thought that was pretty cool.--
*****************
I think that was done on purpose. remember the first
line in 'Lie' (Daybreak at the bottom of the lake)?
It was in reference to hell. Just like the 'lake of
fire' line. I think that's why Mike does the hi-hat
pattern. Pretty cool.
tb
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:32:47 -0400
From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
Message-ID: <381A58CF.1D7FB988@yunque.net>
NuGgeTMaN wrote:
> I agree with you...and that's what I've been saying, it sounds like JFK and not
> JFK JR. to me...time-wise. But who knows, maybe we're all just smoking a little
> too much crack :)
Why would someone in the 1960's would refer to Jfk's death as "another tragedy
*in a long line of misfortune* ? Sounds more like something someone would say
referring to Jfk Jr.s death.
Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back.
Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:34:42 -0400
From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Something else to think about
Message-ID: <381A5942.C5AEEB0@yunque.net>
JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
> After Finally Free, when Nicholas enters the house (assuming it's Nicholas),
> the TV is already on. Could someone already be in the house, waiting for him?
> Discuss...
Heh this reminded me of that character mike myer's played on SNL, the Coffee
talk lady, linda richmond(man?)
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:36:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: TDoE
Message-ID: <19991030023620.4360.rocketmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com>
> From: "A_Change of_Seasons"
> <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
> Subject: TDoE
>
>
> And has anyone else noticed that One Last Time
> starts out with a jam that
> can be heard in the middle of The Killing Hand on
> the "Hollow Years"
> single??? I've noticed a couple of old "jams" that
> have made it into Met Pt 2.
>
Maybe we aren't hearing old 'jams'. Maybe the guys
have been teasing us with M2 snippets for the past few
years!!
TB
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:38:03 -0400
From: "Rob Bowen" <rfbow@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: JFK vs JFK Jr.
Message-ID: <004701bf227f$cbf9cd00$c199accf@rfbow>
Whether the report on the TV (in Nicholas' house) is meant to only represent
something symbolically (i.e. the death of an important person, etc.) or
whether it is to indicate the time period, I KNOW for a fact that it is a
report concerning JFK, Jr.'s (not his dad's) death because I specifically
remember that report and the phrasing "as the skies grow dark over
Washington" and the "long line of tragedies", etc. on the day JFK Jr's plane
crashed. Anyhow, just ahd to set that straight.
Rob
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:58:02 -0600
From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MORE NOTICE! The rest of the story. *SPOILERS*
Message-ID: <001901bf2282$9ad35fe0$560d84d0@safelink.net>
I figured out the mystery as well about why Edward is a hynotherapist. He's
always been a psychologist, from the outset of the story. It was this that
prompted Veronica to reach out to him and tell him of her troubles with
Julian in the hopes that he might help her. Rather than offer advice on how
to act or to support her on how to handle the situation, though, he just
bones her. Not good practice nowdays, I think. :)
Anyway, I don't think hypnotherapy is standard practice among psychologists
nowdays, but back then I'm pretty sure it was. Nicholas was so distraght
with everything going on in his dreams he went to a psychologist. Dr.
Edward Baynes. It was just coincidence that they happened to cross paths.
:)
Why wasn't Nicholas aware of the name Edward Baynes upon awakening? Well,
Veronica never mentioned his name. She referred to him as the Miracle.
Just a little research, however, would have led Nicholas to the identity of
Edward, so Edward was forced to take immediate action upon Nicholas to
prevent that from happening.
The rest is strung together from bits and parts of what everyone else has
posted earlier. The credit goes to all of you! :)
About the beginning, Julian and Veronica were lovers. Veronica becomes
frustrated at Julian for his drug and gambling habits. Veronica went to
Edward for advice on how to deal with it and Edward uses it to seduce
Veronica away from Julian. (Keeping with me? He's a psychologist so he can
fuck with people's minds). Eventually, Julian kicks his habits (admission
is the first step to recovery, Julian admitted his problem) and Veronica
reconciles with him, and starts sneaking of from Edward to meet Julian.
*breath*
Now, Edward discovers this, becomes enraged and meets at their secret
rendevous and kills them both. The suicide note makes perfect sense now.
Edward can claim that Veronica wanted nothing to do with Julian (Ed claims
she was devoted to him alone) and that Julian basically said, "If I can't
have you, no one can." Killing her, them himself. Edward has a watertight
story.
Where does the switchblade come in? It may have been Julian's. After
Edward comes at him, he probably pulled it to defend himself. Edward then
just pulled the gun, shot Julian, then shot Victoria for betraying him
(plus, no witnesses!). Edward runs off to fabricate the suicide note as
Julian crawls atop Victoria to end with "One last time..." like in any good
tragedy. :) er. :( sorry.
Veronica is then reincarnated as Nicholas. Ther story begins in 1928 and
ends in 1963. Although, I'm thinking the TV report may be about Robert
Kennedy's death (as it refers to a long string of misfortunes rather than a
single one) which was what, in 1968? (can't recall)
Add that to my previous analysis on the end of the story and I think that
somes up the story rather nicely!
Thanks for reading,
KorgX3
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:23:30 -0500
From: Mike A Marshall <marshallm@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: Portnoy420@aol.com
Subject: DT 12/10 @ Toad's Place? No December shows? Which is it?
Message-ID: <19991029.222334.-481539.1.marshallm@juno.com>
I know Mike sent a message, intending to discourage rumours and such, but
a little clarification would be helpful:
Lines in the Sand posted 10/25:
US show in New Haven, CT!
Dream Theater will be performing at Toad's Place in New Haven, CT on
December 10, 1999. Doors will open at 8 and the band will hit the stage
at 9pm. The show is all ages. For ticket purchases, go to TicketMaster.
Sure enough, if I go to TicketBastard, it looks as if I can purchase tix!
Although I haven't tried yet, because:
On 10/27, DreamTheater.net posted:
DT US Tour Plans (note from Mike Portnoy)
Added on 10-27-1999
Here is a note from Mike Portnoy:
"Hi All,
Before rumours begin to start flying, I wanted to pass on the latest on
our tour plans:
Our U.S. tour will not begin until sometime in January.
At that point we will begin the METROPOLIS 2000 tour with special guests
The Dregs and a 3rd act to be announced.....
MP"
And on the same day, MP.com:
Topic: Tour will begin in January for DT
posted 10-27-1999 02:47 PM
Dream Theater has decided to kick-off their METROPOLIS 2000 Tour in the
United States in January with special guests The Dregs and a 3rd act to
be announced...... This means that there are no plans for any U.S. dates
in December as of right now.
Soooo...which is it? No December tour dates? Only one in Connecticut?
Anyone bought tickets for this yet? Did I miss the post saying that this
was a bogus date?
If there is only one show this December, I *will* go to it if at all
possible...but if there are going to be several in a row, I'd go to as
many as possible...
Sincerely,
Confused
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:40:01 -0500
From: Brian Kirk <bkirk@dendrite.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: New ending theory
Message-ID: <381A6891.3D926233@dendrite.net>
Try this one on for size.
Ed was possessed by an evil spirit. After killing Julian and Victoria,
it started moving from person to person looking for Victoria's
reincarnation. It ended up in the therapist figuring this would be a
good place to meet people being driven crazy by nightmares from a
previous life. Once it helps Nicholas figure out who he was, it
possesses him so it can be with Victoria.
It's just crazy enough it might work!
--
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- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:28:59 -0400
From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Cutting the SFaM cake down the middle...
Message-ID: <004601bf227e$85cd2120$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
>The second half is certainly the stronger of the
>two, in my estimation,
Ha! I think the exact opposite is true. I think the first half is
musically much more distinct - it actually sounds like separate songs, which
I don't find to be all that true of the second half. Then again, maybe I'm
just suffering the cheesecake phenomenon - one slice is great, but well into
the second one, you're not sure how much you like cheesecake anymore.
Sorry, but my attention kind of wanders off right as things get wild
(Home/DoE) EVERY time...
>Everyone has been ejaculating over how this is the cd of the year, etc. I
am
>going to have to disagree.
For what it's worth, for me, this honor falls to either Mayadome or
Clockwork. Toss up. Both of which, as I've pointed out here before,
everyone on this list needs to own.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:40:48 -0600
From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: MORE NOTICE! The rest of the story. *SPOILERS*
Message-ID: <000b01bf2288$90eb4e60$560d84d0@safelink.net>
> prompted Veronica to reach out to him and tell him of her troubles with
Blah. I mean Victoria all the way through. lol. I'm mindlocked right now.
:)
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:47:17 EDT From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5155 Message-ID: <0.bf652299.254bc445@aol.com>
Someone wrote:
Just one question. If the hypnotherapist was the Senator reincarnated, and killed Nicholas because he wanted to keep the Senator's good name, then why at the beginning of Finallly Free, he told Nicholas to remember everything he just went through? Wouldn't he just tell him to forget it all? Just wondering
If he had told him to forget everything, then Nicholas would still be haunted by Victoria in his dreams, which is what led hjm to the hypnotist in the first place. And if that happened, he might try a different hypnotist, one who obviously wouldn)B’t take the truth so personally. This way, he has control over the information.
I don't quite see how Julian laying on top of Victoria would indicate a suicide...I think the suicide note was Edward's main piece of evidence to imply that Julian had shot Victoria and then killed himself.
The suicide note is definitely the best piece of evidence. Maybe placing the body on top of Victoria reinforces the fact that it was a crime of passion.
Also, the lyrics that Julian sings at the end of Finally Free make sense with the ide that Julian is not dead after Victoria is shot...he crawls to her as he is dying to "lay down with her one last time".
I never considered that. That)B’s not a bad idea. Very romantic. I always thought of the reversion back to )B“One Last Time” as indicating that they were now together in spirit as they had been in body. I never considered the idea that Julian actually physically crawled to her.
The thing I don't get is this: if E is planning on framing J for the murder of V and then making it look like suicide, wouldn't it be sorta suspicious that someone committing suicide was shot TWICE and presumably not in the head? Suicide note and 20's forensics aside, I would think that even 1928 cops would think it a bit odd that someone would take two shots to finish themselves off. Just curious if anyone else has wondered if there were some holes in E's plan (considering how he carried it off) that would have probably been discovered by the cops upon investigation...
I agree. But I don)B’t think Edward is the most clear-thinking of individuals. I think he used is position as a Senator to cover up the crime. Perhaps he bought the police off. That)B’s probably why DT made Edward a high-ranking goverment official in the first place. Otherwise, I can)B’t see any reason to make him one, bearing in mind that basically the only way we know he)B’s a senator is because of the Cast of Characters and not from the text itself (the Peter Jennings quotes aside). Nobody else)B’s occupation is listed, except for the hypnotist, who)B’s name is not given (which is part of the surprise, I guess).
Also in Home. When James says "she's calling me back to my home", its the same riff and snare hits as in Met Pt1 when James sings "I'm asleep yet I'm so Afraid" Wicked.
Also, in Overture 1928, the melody line for )B“Metropolis watches and thoughtfully smiles/She)B’s taking you to your home” from Met. Pt.1 is played by JP at about the 1:45 mark. Not to mentioned the hi-hat rhythm before the vocals come in on )B“Home” is the same rhythm as JP plays on the original before the vocals come in.
I agree with you...and that's what I've been saying, it sounds like JFK and not JFK JR. to me...time-wise. But who knows, maybe we're all just smoking a little too much crack :)
Trust me, it)B’s JFK, Jr. I was watching ABC’s coverage of it and Peter Jennings uttered that exact phrase.
Want proof of my theory? Mike and the gang are fucking geniuses! From the moment Nicholas shuts the car off and walks up to open the door and enter his home, it takes exactly 21 seconds. From the time you hear Nicholas' car shut off while HT's pouring himself a drink to when you begin to hear Nicholas' footsteps coming up the hall is, yup, 21 seconds!
If that)B’s true, you might be on to something there. I do believe that the hypnotist is in Nick)B’s house before he gets there. That’s why the TV is already on, and the door, if you listen closely, is unlocked when Nick puts his key in. You don)B’t actually hear the sound of it unlocking, just closing. The only problem with that is that unless during the session the hynotist went through Nick)B’s wallet to find out where he lived, he would have to follow him home, meaning that he would have to arrive after Nick. Of course, if Nick)B’s murder (which I am assuming happens) takes place on a day after the last session took place, then it)B’s possible.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:20:24 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Met 2 - The Music Message-ID: <002301bf228e$18860540$0fc4aec7@default>
Cassiano wrote: >And Neil wrote: >> Here's a starter. Notice that the introduction/main riff of Beyond This >> Life is in 5/4, and that the RHYTHM of the riff is identical to the Mission >> Impossible theme song, also in 5/4, which DT has covered! Furthermore,MP >> uses the same speed-metal double bass attack. Cool! > >I almost fell off the chair with this one, it rocks so hard!!! The same >time sig but with a hardcore-metal type riff.
Ah, but more than just the same time sig - notice the guitar riff's rhythm, specifically (DOTTED_QUARTER_NOTE, DOTTED_QUARTER_NOTE, QUARTER_NOTE, QUARTER_NOTE), which makes up a full 5 beats (5/4 time), is precisely the same as the Mission Impossible theme. That's what struck me the most.
And I agree, I think Beyond This Life has been a bit underrated so far on the jam. This song rocks!
The infamous KorgX3: >I can't tell exactly for sure, but notice that the high hat accents Mike >uses right before James' "Shine - Lake of Fire" part starts uses the same >pattern as the ending roll for Lie.
Dude, this high-hat rhythm is simply the main guitar riff from Met 1. This riff/rhythm is the most-quoted piece of Met 1 in Met 2. It shows up EVERYWHERE. For your reference, it's from 1:41 in Met 1.
-Neil.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:53:28 EDT From: WAxlRose01@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5155 Message-ID: <0.c3b44550.254bd3c8@aol.com>
I was wondering.. I'm so confused about the plot, can anyone give me a basic summary? It seems everyone's saying something else.. Like, where on Earth would you get that the Hypnotherapist is the Senator reincarnated? Anyone, a summary would help.. the way I see it, Nicholas is Victoria reincarnated, she cheated on the senator with his brother, so he killed them both and made it look like a double suicide.. any corrections? -Z
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:59:08 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: ramblings Message-ID: <004901bf2293$7ff89e40$b2589780@BLARGH>
> For what it's worth, for me, this honor falls to either Mayadome or > Clockwork. Toss up. Both of which, as I've pointed out here before, > everyone on this list needs to own.
I know nothing about Mayadome, but to me, Clockwork sounds EXACTLY like Soundscape. I at first totally dug two mp3s I grabbed off the internet so I went and bought Surface Tension ASAP...but to be honest, I've not been able to listen to it much, it just sounds exactly like Soundscape. The one difference I think is that Clockwork does more "ethnic" sounding things. So anyway....my vote is for SFAM as the better disc - but that's just me :)
BTW - The news report at the end? It's not referring to JFK nor JFK Jr. Yes it came from the coverage of JFK Jr.'s plane going down, but if DT wanted it to be about the Kennedy family, they would have put that in there! Instead, it's all symbolic. Forgive me if I mess up the wording, but it says something like "another tragedy in a long line of somethings......" You know what it says. Anyway, it's just like greek tragedy. It happens over and over again. Nicholas/Victoria will die again and again thanks to our lovely Miracle fellow. Nicholas/Victoria will be reincarnated into someone else....and they too will die. (No, I'm NOT saying there's going to be a Metropolis Pt. 3!) Just think of something like Oedipus. He fucked up and so then his kids were screwed. Antigone died in a tomb thanks to Creon - but it was because of what her father had done which cursed her for life. So yes, methinks that nicholas just had it coming. Also, I think that "The Spirit Carries On" is actually just a reassuring thing foreshadowing his death. Nicholas is now PREPARED TO DIE. The way it's sung just sounds so accepting of the upcoming tragedy. To me, Nicholas is now aware that he is Victoria and that he too will meet the same fate as her -- but it's OK, because he will live on in someone else......and they will die.....and live on, then die...etc..
But that's just my theory :)
Scott.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 02:56:05 -0400 From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: get this Message-ID: <381A9685.F9F595D3@mail.rochester.edu>
> - Getting "it" > > Why does he have to "get it" when "it" is *your* opinion?? Who cares if > the general public lampoons prog? Are you listening to music for the > accolades of the general public? Would the music somehow sound better > to you if the general public approved? You like music the way you like it, I > like music the way I like it, and Steve Z likes it the way he likes it. Not > wrong. > Different.
It is not simply a matter of my opinion. Steve Z basically said that DT's music is too serious to have moments of humor in it. Therefore it's the BAND's opinion and decision that Jordan's little piano bit was appropiate in that section. He has all the right to not like the part. But Steve came off saying that DT didn't have the right to put that part in there because the rest of the disc is so serious. The band obviously knows the serious subject matter but having one particular humorous moment in a 77 minute long CD is a welcome break from the musical onslaught of the rest of the disk.
> > - Serious = Bad?
I never said this or even came close to implying it. Don't make shit up.
> > Does serious music deserve to be lampooned? No! For me, it's never "just > music", it's an important part of my life. But that's just my *gasp* > opinion. Imagine that. Personally, I like my music to be very serious, > public opinion be > damned.
Yes, music is also an important part of my life. I never implied that I cared what the public thought of the music I listen to. I implied that prog is bombastic and over-the-top and I think prog DESERVES to be mocked to a certain degree because it takes itself so seriously all the time. Dream Theater seems to be aware of the ridiculously overthetop production of prog past (Yes' Tales From Topographic Oceans for example) and does a good job avoiding most of the prog cliches.
Adam
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 03:31:31 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it? Message-ID: <0.1774839d.254bf8d3@aol.com>
Well, at the M2 "simul-listen" Mike confirmed that it's a JFK Jr. report and that it confirms the time, 1999. So that's one thing we know.
Oh, and he also confirmed that Terry Brown did the voice of the therpaist.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:10:51 -0400 From: "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it? Message-ID: <001101bf22bf$0c5bbd60$f320f7a5@pbcustomer>
<<I agree with you...and that's what I've been saying, it sounds like JFK and not JFK JR. to me...time-wise. But who knows, maybe we're all just smoking a little too much crack :)>>
This is weird, but it just kinda came to me, with all this Kennedy talk. Edward is a senator, Julian could have also been in government (could be?), Victoria is the chick they're both screwing. In the 60's you had JFK and RFK both screwing Marilyn Monroe, both of them in government, she ends up dead, and over the years, so do they. Kind of an odd idea, huh? :-)
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:43:09 -0400 From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Is it even worth dissenting? Message-ID: <000301bf22c3$9071afc0$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
First, I AM NOT one of those types that knee-jerkingly dislikes anything everyone else likes. And I DON'T dislike SFaM, but....
This is the first DT album that I do not feel compelled to listen to repeatedly. I've gotten a lot of music lately, and this one has sort of consigned itself to the pile. Why?
It feels too long. I've said it before, but somewhere around 'Home' and 'DoE', I start to check my fingernails for dirt, notice spots on the wall that could stand another coat of paint, etc. If this albums were 77 minutes and full of individual songs, I don't think it'd be this way, and I suppose that some would argue that these ARE individual songs, but it doesn't feel that way to me.
I'm one of those weirdoes who actually thought, with the exception of a couple of short songs, that FII was a good evolution for the band. The material on that album was really diverse (as it was on Awake and to a lesser extent, I&W). I always point to 'Lines in the Sand' as an example and I certainly don't expect every album to contain a LitS remake, but that song exemplifies FII as a whole - hard, heavy, light, jazzy, very deep and twisting. SFaM, OTOH, really lacks that diversity. Well, yeah, there ARE extremes to be found everywhere (and a choir, and...etc.), but the extremes mostly tend toward light acoustic songs or full-on sonic assaults. There are long musical stretches that don't strike me as really GOING anywhere. Maybe that's one of the prices one has to pay for DT sort of evolving into more of a jamming, groove-oriented band.
Jordan: Call me a nut, but I like his role/performance on the LTE stuff more than I do here. A) His playing is much more integral on the LTE stuff, and B) There are spots in the mix on SFaM where he just gets buried over. Jordan's playing and tones are very percussive and textural, and they need elbowroom to come off that way. I don't think he gets that here.
Speaking of mix, with the exception of FII, I feel fortunate to EVER hear John Myung, but on SFaM that's not a problem - at least at the beginning of the album. I'm VERY cognizant of his playing until about halfway through the album.
Well, I'll stop. There are undoubtedly some brilliant moments on this album. Over all, it's better than a lot of stuff out there. But is this DT's definitive statement? Is this a masterpiece? I sure want it to be, and others apparently do too. But after all the hype, I don't think so...
Mike
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:56:07 CEST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: my hero of the day Message-ID: <19991030135607.89352.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all, has to be Korg X3, because that makes sense, and great deal of it. Just one more question: what has victoria to wake up from(open your eyes victoria)? seb
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:57:54 -0500 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Get it, Serious stuff, Out Damned LaBrie Message-ID: <002901bf22e7$3216ad80$12078ad1@boner>
> > Everyone has been ejaculating over how this is the cd of the year, etc. I am > going to have to disagree. The second half is certainly the stronger of the > two, in my estimation, but, as usual, LaBrie's vocals just detract so much > from the exquisitely performed music. I have been on record around here > since jam #500 or so as not liking him, and nothing has changed. He just > doesn't convey any of the emotion to me, as a singer such as Alder, Khan, et
I hope you arent also implying that you prefer Mickey Mouse, ohh, i mean Charlie. Have to defend Labrie on this one. In my opinion, he conveys A LOT of emotion. Not as much in the studio as he does live though. james is definitely better live than in the studio. but this is all my opinion. later.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:09:36 -0700 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MORE NOTICE! The rest of the story. *SPOILERS* Message-ID: <381B3460.E7E37C7B@wezl.org>
Veronica????? I think this verifies my crack smoking theory :)
Chuck Reis wrote:
> I figured out the mystery as well about why Edward is a hynotherapist. He's > always been a psychologist, from the outset of the story. It was this that > prompted Veronica to reach out to him and tell him of her troubles with
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