YTSEJAM Digest 5155
Today's Topics:
1) TDoE
by "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
2) SFaM Question
by "David Talley" <davidtalley13@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Subconcious
by MaxArbot@aol.com
4) Re: player piano in TDoE
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
5) JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
by MaxArbot@aol.com
6) Re: SFaM Question
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
7) Suicide/Fight Scene
by "Rob Bowen" <rfbow@erols.com>
8) Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
9) DT just fookin rokz nadz.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Re: Background Vox in "Home" - What Are They Saying??
by MTeiper@aol.com
11) Way off topic - SONY WEGA TVs
by "Wingell, Joshua" <Joshua.Wingell@compaq.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Re: One Last Time
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) Home Theater, Revisisted
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
16) Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
17) Get it, Serious stuff, Out Damned LaBrie
by MusicSnob@aol.com
18) Something else to think about
by JamesAhab@aol.com
19) Re: Met 2: the music
by "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
20) NOTICE! Big spoiler on the end of SFAM!
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:38:06 PDT
From: "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: TDoE
Message-ID: <19991029173806.72802.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey Jammers...
I'm going to point out a couple of quotes in The Dance Of Eternity that I
thought were completely cool!
1. The rythymic reference I'm refering to first is one that Portnoy himself
explained in a clinic... he said that part of Met Pt 1 in the middle section
was in 5/8 5/8 7/8 5/8 7/8 5/8 5/8 7/8 in that order. I've heard this in
Met pt 2 - a direct quote rythymically, at least!
2. And in Later parts, I also hear more from the same section but can't
really explain it. But I do know that it comes from the section right before
the 5,5,7,5,7,5,5,7 part.
And has anyone else noticed that One Last Time starts out with a jam that
can be heard in the middle of The Killing Hand on the "Hollow Years"
single??? I've noticed a couple of old "jams" that have made it into Met Pt
2.
All in all.. I'd say this album is one of the all-time milestones in DT's
songwriting and playing. I've done nothing but do shameless promotion to my
friends and family to get this album. This one *will* last forever!
Peace
poj
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:46:47 GMT
From: "David Talley" <davidtalley13@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFaM Question
Message-ID: <19991029174651.33249.qmail@hotmail.com>
Just one question. If the hypnotherapist was the Senator reincarnated, and
killed Nicholas because he wanted to keep the Senator's good name, then why
at the beginning of Finallly Free, he told Nicholas to remember everything
he just went through? Wouldn't he just tell him to forget it all? Just
wondering?
Dave
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:50:21 EDT
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Subconcious
Message-ID: <0.33946ca3.254b385d@aol.com>
<<It's a great CD, but I just don't listen to it enough anymore. I'd like =
to see this go to a fan who'll enjoy it more than me.>>
Ah, how noble of you...but you're still going to *auction* it off? So noble.
[eriC]
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:21:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: player piano in TDoE
Message-ID: <19991029182130.29406.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
>
>
> i cant believe how many people dislike this, i thought
> not only was it
> funny, but musically something that they never did
> before. it also segues
> very nicely into the next bit following it.
>
> stan
stan i could not agree with you more. I love this little
part in TDoE. I think it shows that when DT were writing
this album they were having FUN. Sure it has moments of
serious tension that is built in the story, but if it was
all serious, well it would seem a little pretentious (to me
anyway). after 5 full listens i feel that this album will
grow to be my fav out of all of them.
later all
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:13:35 EDT
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
Message-ID: <0.4e60f162.254b3dcf@aol.com>
Why is it that everyone uses the JFK reference *only* as a reference to the
storyline? There are a few clues as to when the end of the CD takes place.
I think it takes place back in the 1963.
1. It doesn't really sound like a newer model car (one from the 1990's), it
rumbles too much...the door is even squeaking and loud. Could it be a 1960's
ear car?
2. The television is an old one, listen to it when he changes the channel
and turns it off. It's old style TV...like the 1960's?
3. The JFK reference may be a character reference or something, giving this
whole thing an air of Greek tragedy, but I think it's mostly a reference to
the year. It's 1963, which would put Nicholas at 35. Sounds like a
thirty-five year-old to me :o)
4. Puts on an old vinyl (because that's the hot media at the time).
Is there anything to *not* support this?
[eriC]
p.s. I can't believe I just remember that the Miracle and the Sleeper were
twins...duh.
p.s.s. Vicky and Jules are both in Nicky (listen to the part where she's
moaning...to the right. The gambling goes on to the left). Left and right
brained archetypes?
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:01:15 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SFaM Question
Message-ID: <001601bf223f$f9f91d40$702010ac@clemson.edu>
]From: David Talley <davidtalley13@hotmail.com>
Subject: SFaM Question
> Just one question. If the hypnotherapist was the Senator reincarnated,
and
> killed Nicholas because he wanted to keep the Senator's good name, then
why
> at the beginning of Finallly Free, he told Nicholas to remember everything
> he just went through? Wouldn't he just tell him to forget it all? Just
> wondering?
i think that, unlike what everyone has been suggesting, he didnt kill
nicholas to preserve the senator's honor. i think he was just still angry
about what nicholas/victoria had done and killing her once wasnt enough, so
he did it again. i wonder if he already knew about his past life, or if he
discovered the whole story from nicholas' session? i imagine the former,
because otherwise he wouldnt know that he was the senator (unless he had
been having strange dreams about gambling and murder which this session
explained). moo.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:10:40 -0400
From: "Rob Bowen" <rfbow@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Suicide/Fight Scene
Message-ID: <000501bf2241$4ba9c8a0$0a99accf@w8f3x>
> don't you think that since Edward was the only "witness" to the crime it
was in fact a clever ploy on his part to make the police believe
> that Julian had in fact killed Victoria? It probably went something like
this: Ed kills Julian first (hence the screams from Victoria) he
> then kills Victoria after which he places Julians dead body on top of
Victoria, making it look like Julian had died after Victoria (and
> commited suicide after killing his lost love...) when in fact Jules was
the first to die. Ed then tells the police his watertight story
>
> Take care,
> Phil
I don't quite see how Julian laying on top of Victoria would indicate a
suicide...I think the suicide note was Edward's main piece of evidence to
imply that Julian had shot Victoria and then killed himself. Also, the
lyrics that Julian sings at the end of Finally Free make sense with the idea
that Julian is not dead after Victoria is shot...he crawls to her as he is
dying to "lay down with her one last time".
Also, there seem to be some inconsistencies with the "fight scene" at the
end of Finally Free and I'm curious what people think about this. Judging
by the sound effects, the scene seems to unfold as follows:
Edward surprises J and V at their secret rendezvous. A fight ensues between
the two men and E shoots J twice. V, seeing J shot, screams and E turns on
her. Here we have the line "Open your eyes, Victoria" (some have said they
hear "*Close* your eyes, Victoria, but I personally don't hear that)...E
then shoots V twice as well. The thing I don't get is this: if E is
planning on framing J for the murder of V and then making it look like
suicide, wouldn't it be sorta suspicious that someone committing suicide was
shot TWICE and presumably not in the head? Suicide note and 20's forensics
aside, I would think that even 1928 cops would think it a bit odd that
someone would take two shots to finish themselves off. Just curious if
anyone else has wondered if there were some holes in E's plan (considering
how he carried it off) that would have probably been discovered by the cops
upon investigation...
Rob
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:09:30 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
Message-ID: <002501bf2241$20f97060$702010ac@clemson.edu>
]From: <MaxArbot@aol.com>
Subject: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it?
> 3. The JFK reference may be a character reference or something, giving
this
> whole thing an air of Greek tragedy, but I think it's mostly a reference
to
> the year. It's 1963, which would put Nicholas at 35. Sounds like a
> thirty-five year-old to me :o)
i believe it was a report about the recent death of JFK, Jr., the one where
he flew the plane at night in fog and crashed. which means its not 1963, but
apart from that, i agree with your idea. since they dont actually mention
JFK's name in the news report, i think DT was probably just using it as a
generic news story about some kind of tragedy in washington, not meant to
refer to JFK, Jr. specifically.
> 4. Puts on an old vinyl (because that's the hot media at the time).
i also wondered about the record - it has lots of scratches and pops, which
means its not an audiophile enjoying the musical perfection of meticulously
kept analog vinyl - it is someone playing vinyl because that is all that is
available at the time. also, the kind of music ON the record - it sounds
very dated. i am no music history buff so i can't tell you what kind of
music it is or when it came from, but other than the soundtrack of a Final
Fantasy game, it is not something anyone would release nowadays. so it must
be nicholas sometime in the 1960s putting on the latest hit on the top 40
that week or something :) it is, of course, the melody from one of the
tracks on SFAM... i cant quite remember which, but i remember it sounded
familiar. moo.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:07:50 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT just fookin rokz nadz.
Message-ID: <002601be0377$d0e4ce00$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>at the beginning of Finallly Free, he told Nicholas to remember everything
>he just went through? Wouldn't he just tell him to forget it all? Just
>wondering?
I've been wondering the same thing. Why wouldn't he just kill Nicholas
while he was under the influence of hypnosis? That'd be the easiest time to
do it I would think.
I love this story because it has so many twists. It's almost as if all of
the characters are interchangable as Nicholas. You can craft whatever story
you want. :) Maybe it would be best if the band kept it to themselves and
let us go on thinking what we want.
"Better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret."
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:20:42 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Background Vox in "Home" - What Are They Saying?? Message-ID: <0.c5b01a52.254b4d8a@aol.com>
> The background vox on that particular part (I'm *almost* positive here) are > "love, deceit, death" which is of course how the whole story panned out, as > well as being the theme from Met 1...more genius.
Hey, you may be right... now that you mention this, I can hear it! Wow... if those are actually the lyrics... you are correct, more genius. :-) Thanks to everyone for your replies to my question!
Laterz... Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:29:29 -0400 From: "Wingell, Joshua" <Joshua.Wingell@compaq.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Way off topic - SONY WEGA TVs Message-ID: <11EB515FBDB3D111BF270000F84A9ED604BE13E5@shrexc1.shr.dec.com>
Hello,
I am in the market to buy a new 32" TV. I am looking at the SONY KV-32FS10. It is the totally flat WEGA trinitron tube. The sucker looks really sweet. Great, no, INCREDIBLE picture. What are the reviews for this sucker? Anyone have one? It has simulated surround sound, not sure how well it works though :-)
I have found the TV for $1299. Alot for a 32" TV, but once you see the picture, you are hooked.
I am sure there are a ton of audio/video maniacs on this list!
DT material: I plan on watching my live Dream Theater video on this TV ;-)
Josh
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:27:01 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152 Message-ID: <19991029.163117.11694.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
> Has anyone else noticed that the backward stuff at the beginning of > TDoE is a section of metropolis part 1? Hehe.. That kicks ASS!
Also in Home. When James says "she's calling me back to my home", its the same riff and snare hits as in Met Pt1 when James sings "I'm asleep yet I'm so Afraid" Wicked.
Kurt NP-Home listening for orgasm, lonely tonight. :) (kidding)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:58:12 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152 Message-ID: <000c01be038f$9c725da0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>Also in Home. When James says "she's calling me back to my home", its the >same riff and snare hits as in Met Pt1 when James sings "I'm asleep yet
I can't tell exactly for sure, but notice that the high hat accents Mike uses right before James' "Shine - Lake of Fire" part starts uses the same pattern as the ending roll for Lie.
I thought that was pretty cool. -- KorgX3 NP: Shadow Gallery - Tyranny (don't wanna wear new DT out!)
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:26:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: One Last Time Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910291820420.34103-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Tim Lodge wrote:
> "One last time, we'll lay down today" > "One Last time, until we fade away" > "One Last Time, we'll lay down today" > "One Last Time, we slowly fade away." > > This thing just kills me!!! Especially when the stong backing > vocals come in on the 3rd line!! The first time I heard > "Finally Free"...as if the gunshot progression wasn't > emotional enough - they kick back into the one last time > chorus right after the second set of gunshots.....
WOW, what a weird moment - just as I was reading this, it got to that EXACT moment in the CD - which, by the way, FINALLY arrived from CDnow in the mail. When I listened to those gunshots and the music behind it, I got GOOSEBUMPS. This is the first time I've listened to it on my own stereo, and the first time that I REALLY listened to it, as well. I don't think I can say anything about it that people on the jam haven't said already... I just don't have words for what this album does to me; there just isn't anything in my vocabulary (which, I would like to believe, is rather extensive ;) to explain what I feel when I listen to this album. I just HAD to throw in my two cents about how proud I am of OFB and how happy I am that they would do something like this for us. It just makes me kinda teary-eyed to think that DT loves their fans so much that they'd do this for us. I can't even begin to express my gratitude to them for creating such a masterpiece.
And this is only my opinion on my FIRST listen...
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:46:30 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Home Theater, Revisisted Message-ID: <LPBBLFELJFHMJGEAFNIDGEGHCAAA.indii@vistatech.net>
You're right. But Yamaha is also a joke.
Yeah i know, but they have gotten good recomendations at several Home Theater sites and Home Theater Magazine (just the A1 mind, not the others). Not that i would buy them unless i had a very low budget and had to choose a massmarket brand, and Denon wasn't an option (well i'd try for Nakimichi before Pioneer and Sony( and JVC, Keenwood, etc..).
>Reciever his: Yamaha A1 mine Denon 5700THX (home theater remember!)
That Denon model is a decent machine. As theater stuff goes. Don't rule out Rotel, Adcom, or Sunfire. http://www.rotel.com/ - http://www.adcom.com/ http://www.sunfire.com/
I've always liked Adcom since i first heard it playing through a pair of Mirage bookshelfs. Sweet and powerfull. And i looked at the Rotel's, but for a Home Theater without adding a DD, DTS, etc,seperate it saves a little money and space.
>Amp his Yamaha MX1 mine: Rotel RB 985 or Cinepro 3k6SE
Your Rotel choice is good, but if he has that kind of coin to spend I'd at least have him look into Bryston amps. http://www.rotel.com/ - http://www.bryston.ca/
The 9B from Bryston looks sweet! >DVD his: Yamaha C900 mine: Denon DVD 5000 or Meridian 586
For a top-shelf DVD/CD player, look no further than the California Audio Labs CL-20 or CL-25 http://www.calaudio2.com/
I ment to look into these but i forgot.
>EQ his: Yamaha EQ70 mine: Audio Control C-101 III
EQ??? A good system doesn't need an EQ.. IMHO, just more noisy shit in the signal path. Spent the money on room treatment, if needed.
Well my original reaction was not to buy an eq. But he's gonna have it professionally installed (i haven't seen the rrom yet, so i can't say how the audio is going to react to it. So i told him if he got an EQ, then he better get someone with an audio spectrum analyzer to fine tune it.
>Speakers his: Polk Audio SRT mine: Linn AV 5.1
The Linn is OK. You could do better with B&W, Magnapan, or possibly NHT. http://www.bwspeakers.com/ - http://magnepan.com/ - http://www.nhthifi.com/
Well, i was trying to aim at a full system, no just component parts. I have always loved B&W but they have a muffled sound. Their Hi's are cut. It's like you laid a >17kHz lead blanket over the speakers (if you know what i mean). I heard great things of both magnepan and NHT. But i've only hear B&Ws. I looked at the Magnepans and like the MGCC1 with a pair of MGSS1s and two MG20s.
>Sub his: (with Polk system) mine: Sunfire True Subwoofer
Yuk! Both suck. The Sunfire is one of the sloppiest subs I've heard. Look into Velodyne or NHT. http://www.velodyne.com/ - http://www.nhthifi.com/
REALLY?? I've heard the Sunfire Signature (which is what i ment, not the MKII). Sure they are not as tight as other subs but, i wouldn't call them sloppy. I've heard NHT subs before and they are very nice, especailly the Sub Two. But there is alot to be said for a Bob Carver Signature amp and a pair of 8" subs that can run at 2,700 watts and is 1 cubic foot in size.
>TV his Mitsubishi WS-73905 mine: Great TV when it works. They have been known to suffer from reliability issues. Don't rule out Hitachi.
Do you mean Mitsubishi or that particular series?? I've owned several Mitsubishi tvs and they never broke, sustained clear pictures and still look amazing (i handed them down to friends, when i bought a new one, cause then woudn't break!) :) But i haven't really heard any specific problems with the WS-73905. It could be a problem with the HDTV reciever, which can be easily replaced and remideed.
>So Al, any changes to this roundup?? He doesn't want to pay for >an extra cdplayer and will use the DVD as his cdplayer (so i >told him to get the Meridian 586 and he'll have a pretty good >mid-fi cd/dvd player).
Three little words: California Audio Labs!!! > CL-20 - CL-25. The Meridian is a good machine, but can't hold a candle to C.A.L. http://www.calaudio2.com/
Yea, i noticed that CAL had a DVD player out, but forgot to look into it last night. I knew they had great cd players but haven't read any reviews nor seen a CAL dvd player around here.
>Ok. so now i have another question for ya. Me and a friend got >into an arguement over HI-Fi cd players<snip>
bother arguing with someone with such a diluted mind. You buy the good shit and let him buy junk. When he comes over to visit, don't say a word. And you know what? I doubt he'll say anything... <snip> Well, i think "argument" is a little strong. It's more like "loud debates". He is one of those guys that will change his mind if he is proven wrong with facts. And he wants to know "why" there are $3500 cd players, and i say "well it's got great internal parts!" but that's as much as i really know.. Any additional info is appreciated Al
Indii
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:57:45 -0700 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: JFK; and it's NOT 1999, is it? Message-ID: <381A5098.4DD346C5@wezl.org>
I agree with you...and that's what I've been saying, it sounds like JFK and not JFK JR. to me...time-wise. But who knows, maybe we're all just smoking a little too much crack :)
MaxArbot@aol.com wrote:
> Why is it that everyone uses the JFK reference *only* as a reference to the > storyline? There are a few clues as to when the end of the CD takes place. > I think it takes place back in the 1963. > > 1. It doesn't really sound like a newer model car (one from the 1990's), it > rumbles too much...the door is even squeaking and loud. Could it be a 1960's > ear car? > > 2. The television is an old one, listen to it when he changes the channel > and turns it off. It's old style TV...like the 1960's? > > 3. The JFK reference may be a character reference or something, giving this > whole thing an air of Greek tragedy, but I think it's mostly a reference to > the year. It's 1963, which would put Nicholas at 35. Sounds like a > thirty-five year-old to me :o) > > 4. Puts on an old vinyl (because that's the hot media at the time). > > Is there anything to *not* support this? > > [eriC] > > p.s. I can't believe I just remember that the Miracle and the Sleeper were > twins...duh. > p.s.s. Vicky and Jules are both in Nicky (listen to the part where she's > moaning...to the right. The gambling goes on to the left). Left and right > brained archetypes?
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:35:59 EDT From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Get it, Serious stuff, Out Damned LaBrie Message-ID: <0.4a581cba.254b895f@aol.com>
Someone spooged out his ass regarding Steve Z's opinion:
> *sigh*. You just don't get it, do you?? One of the precise reasons why > prog-rock is lampooned by the general public is because it takes itself > so seriously. Yes, this is serious music...but it's still JUST MUSIC.
- Getting "it"
Why does he have to "get it" when "it" is *your* opinion?? Who cares if the general public lampoons prog? Are you listening to music for the accolades of the general public? Would the music somehow sound better to you if the general public approved? You like music the way you like it, I like music the way I like it, and Steve Z likes it the way he likes it. Not wrong. Different.
- Serious = Bad?
Does serious music deserve to be lampooned? No! For me, it's never "just music", it's an important part of my life. But that's just my *gasp* opinion. Imagine that. Personally, I like my music to be very serious, public opinion be damned. Hell, lots of people like this music *because* it's the anti general-public genre. It's a dirty secret that lots of people like this stuff precisely due to the fact that your "average" person doesn't. Sets 'em apart. I can even admit that it plays a small part in my own enjoyment.
- Specific SFAM thoughts
Everyone has been ejaculating over how this is the cd of the year, etc. I am going to have to disagree. The second half is certainly the stronger of the two, in my estimation, but, as usual, LaBrie's vocals just detract so much from the exquisitely performed music. I have been on record around here since jam #500 or so as not liking him, and nothing has changed. He just doesn't convey any of the emotion to me, as a singer such as Alder, Khan, et al. would have. I got my first "chill" from listening to this disc around sometime in track 12. By way of comparison, I was feeling the chills during part one of APSOG. Of course music preference is nothing but opinion, anyway, so feel free to disagree at your leisure.
NP: DT - SFAM
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:20:24 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Something else to think about Message-ID: <0.c082fb1c.254b93c8@aol.com>
After Finally Free, when Nicholas enters the house (assuming it's Nicholas), the TV is already on. Could someone already be in the house, waiting for him? Discuss...
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:14:15 -0200 From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Met 2: the music Message-ID: <381A4667.7D6EB139@uol.com.br>
Kurt writes: > >, the discussion has been almost SOLELY on the > >story, and when I first subscribed everyone always talked about the > >playing, just wait till we start pciking apart the solos, the time sig= s > >etc.
That's true. I think it's the first time I see people in the jam talking mainly about the story and lyrics before the music of a new DT album. But the reason is pretty obvious... :) And relax Kurt, there's plenty of time here. :)
And Neil wrote: > Here's a starter. Notice that the introduction/main riff of Beyond Thi= s > Life is in 5/4, and that the RHYTHM of the riff is identical to the Mis= sion > Impossible theme song, also in 5/4, which DT has covered! Furthermore,= MP > uses the same speed-metal double bass attack. Cool!
I almost fell off the chair with this one, it rocks so hard!!! The same time sig but with a hardcore-metal type riff.
> I haven't heard anyone mention Petrucci's obvious nod to Brian May duri= ng > Fatal Tragedy. The two brief effects-laden guitar breaks. That tone i= s > pure Queen. > > Many people have mentioned the Floyd influence. More support for this = is > the use of the choir and the use of the stereo-to-mono fade, made famou= s in > "Wish You Were Here."
I also feel a slight Radiohead influence on the first "Our deeds have traveled faaar" section of this song. The "inspiration corner" worked... :)
> Has anyone figured out what the backward music is at the very beginning= of > The Dance of Eternity? Turn your stereo up. I think it's part of the = middle-section > of Met. 1, which would make sense, but I haven't reversed it yet to pro= ve > it. It's followed by a guitar-key unison line in Met. 1.
Sure, it *is* the middle section of Met. 1 being played backwards, which is what I think TDoE is about: a "backwards", darker and longer version of the famous middle section.=20
If you pay attention closely to the parts of the song, you'll notice that most of them have a related fragment in Met 1. Here are some examples:
=95 Mid-tempo odd time sig-ed part with right-hand muted guitar=20
Met 2: 0:44 Met 1: 4:18
=95 The bass solo=20
Met 2: 3:07 Met 1: 5:35
=95 Guitar/keys unison solo with double bass in the background=20
Met 2: 2:49 Met 1: 5:50
=95 Odd time sig guitar/bass/keys harmonized unison (and ascending) part=20
Met 2: 3:52 Met 1: 7:23
And so on, I hope you got the picture..
[]'s Cassiano
NP: MET FUCKIN' TWO... Mike, too many goosebumps man!! :)
PS: My copy has an annoying "click" just before Home. Does anyone have the same problem?
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:27:43 -0600 From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: NOTICE! Big spoiler on the end of SFAM! Message-ID: <002501bf2275$f96929c0$4d0d84d0@safelink.net>
Here is how the story ends without a slight tinge of doubt in my mind now. The clue is in the footsteps people!
When Edward shows up to the fight scene, (about 4:16 in Finally Free) his footsteps sound gravelly and crunchy. What do the footfalls of the person in the house sound like? Aye. gravelly and crunchy. In a living room? It's gotta be da shoes. So...
There's a little bit of scene play in the end. Nicholas pulls up in his car jamming to Finally Free. He shuts the car off, music dies. Soon you hear his footsteps (nice cloppy ones) going up the stairs and unlocking the door. CUT. It's like a scene change in a movie. Now we revert back to what the Hypnotherapist is doing inside Nicholas' house. He's got those gravelly footsteps. First watching TV, then clicks it off and pours a drink.
While HT's pouring the drink, you hear Nicholas pull up in his car blaring the ending strains of Finally Free. Listen real close! So the HT flips on the record player and waits. Soon you hear Nicholas open the door and walk into his home, where the Hypnotherapist surprises him. "Open your eyes, Nicholas." "Ah!" *scuffle*
Want proof of my theory? Mike and the gang are fucking geniuses! From the moment Nicholas shuts the car off and walks up to open the door and enter his home, it takes exactly 21 seconds. From the time you hear Nicholas' car shut off while HT's pouring himself a drink to when you begin to hear Nicholas' footsteps coming up the hall is, yup, 21 seconds!
Fucking incredible!
So, my take is that The Hypnotherapist is not a reincarnation of Edward, but >is< Edward himself. After Nicholas left, he snuck into Nick's home and waited for him. I mean if it were the other way around, how in the hell would Edward get ahold of Nicholas' house keys? Hmmm?
The scene you are hearing about on the TV is in reference to JFK's death. Along those lines, Ed wouldn't have to be >that< old. Maybe 65 or so. Nick would be 35. Now why Edward became a hypnotherapist and how he found Nick is up for wild guess. Coincidence maybe. Maybe Edward believed in reincarnation at the time he muderered his brother and Victoria and started actively looking for the person who Victoria was reincarnated as. Who knows? At least the mystery of the scuffle at the end is solved. :) -- KorgX3 feels like King Shit all of the sudden. :)
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