YTSEJAM Digest 5153
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152
by "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152
by "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152
by "Rob Bowen" <rfbow@erols.com>
4) yes concert writeup in UoH newspaper
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
5) Re: Orgasm?
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
6) Did you notice in SFaM...?
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
7) re: Sounds From My Trinity
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
8) OYE
by "M P" <mremann6@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
9) Re: Julian/Victoria question
by Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net>
10) One Last Time
by Tim Lodge <timlodge@home.com>
11) SFaM mystery
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
12) Inside cover picture
by Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
13) I heard home on the radio! :=)
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
14) Re: Julian/Victoria question
by Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
15) Campitelli
by Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu>
16) Re: <sarcasm>
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
17) Re: Question on Home
by MaxArbot@aol.com
18) Re: The "Home" Thread
by "Tom Tubbiola" <nlance@socal.rr.com>
19) Re: SFAM plot (spoilers)
by MaxArbot@aol.com
20) Now what?
by Thomas Hoft <hoft@math.ucdavis.edu>
21) I need some Info Al
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
22) Re: AW: My thanks to the Band!!!!(spoilers if you care)
by MaxArbot@aol.com
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5147
by MaxArbot@aol.com
24) A tidbit about "Regression" and subtle sounds.
by MaxArbot@aol.com
25) Re: Background Vox in "Home" - What Are They Saying??
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
26) Met. 2 - The Music
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@mindspring.com>
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:14:48 -0400
From: "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152
Message-ID: <199910290117.SAA04656@fugazi.torchsong.com>
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>From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5152
>Date: Thu, Oct 28, 1999, 9:07 PM
>
>The biggest disappointment of the new album is the little "player
>piano"
>>bit in "TDoE."
i cant believe how many people dislike this, i thought not only was it
funny, but musically something that they never did before. it also segues
very nicely into the next bit following it.
stan
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:14:48 -0400
From: "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152
Message-ID: <199910290117.SAA04657@fugazi.torchsong.com>
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>From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5152
>Date: Thu, Oct 28, 1999, 9:07 PM
>
>The biggest disappointment of the new album is the little "player
>piano"
>>bit in "TDoE."
i cant believe how many people dislike this, i thought not only was it
funny, but musically something that they never did before. it also segues
very nicely into the next bit following it.
stan
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:16:03 -0400
From: "Rob Bowen" <rfbow@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5152
Message-ID: <003a01bf21ab$2d23ac20$e5e7accf@rfbow>
OK, here we go...here's my take on the whole thing:
Nicholas (in 1999) is the reincarnated version of Victoria (a woman in
1928). In 1928, Victoria is married to Julian (the Sleeper) whose brother
(maybe twin, maybe telepathically linked, I'm not sure) is Edward (the
Miracle). Julian has a bad habit that he is trying to kick (either
drugs--"Lines, take me higher"--or gambling--at the end of Home, you can
hear a poker caller and casino coins--or both). Unfortunately, Victoria
can't handle Julian's addiction, so she seeks consolation in Julian's
brother Edward. Edward falls in love with Victoria (and perhaps her with
him) and they begin having an affair (or perhaps get married, I'm not really
sure). Incidentally, at the same time you hear the gambling chips, you also
hear V having an orgasm in the other speaker denoting the affair with E
while J gambles away.
Julian, meanwhile, has kicked his habit and returns to Victoria's life.
Victoria realizes she has always loved Julian and the two pledge their love
to each other again. Meanwhile, Edward finds out about V and J getting back
together and becomes enraged. He decides to kill them both and leave a
suicide note on Julian's body. This will make it look like J returned to
find E and V together, got pissed, and killed her and then himself. E makes
it look like he heard shots, rushed to the scene, and then before he could
stop him, watched J kill V and then himself. In reality, E surprised V and
J and killed them both...then he leaves the suicide note on J's body.
Now, here's where it gets funky. In the present day, Nicholas is
experiencing strange dreams, flashbacks, or whatever. I assume these are
what Met Part 1 is at least partially about ("I'm asleep yet I'm so
afraid"). He goes to a hypnotherapist to regress him and help him figure
out what's going on. I'm not quite sure if there are mutiple regressions or
just one. In any case, during his therapy N is able to discover what's been
going on and become at peace with his relationship to Victoria (i.e. he was
her in a past life). Now, here's where it gets REALLY funky and things are
open to interpretation. Here's my take:
OK, at the beginning of Finally Free, the hypnotherapist wakes N up with the
"Open your eyes Nicholas" line. You have to listen carefully to all the
sound effects/themes at the beginning and end of this song in order to try
to piece together what's happening. Ok, you can here N leave the hypno guy,
get in his car, start the engine, and drive away. Then, you hear this
sinister theme start---I personally picture the hypnotherapist watching N
leave and then going to his own car and following him during this part. The
middle part of the song (as N reviews the events of his therapy in his mind)
of course recounts the fateful day's events from everyone's point of view,
first E(Miracle's)---here's where you find out about the murder and him
planting the suicide note, then V who reveals her intentions to permanently
reunite with J (Sleeper), and then J (I'm a little confused by his lyrics
since they switch from first to third person), and finally Nicholas who
basically has become at peace with his supernatural link with Victoria. Ok,
now during the fight scene, you can hear (amidst the struggle sound effects)
Edward growl "Open your eyes, Victoria" (sound like anyone else in the
story?) right before he kills her. At the end of the song everything gets
really iffy. Here' s what I think though. The song fades out with the same
sinister theme that I believe is associated with the hypnotherapist. Is
this the hypnotherapist driving to N's house and breaking in before he
arrives or perhaps following him to his house? After the theme fades out,
we hear N arrive home, open and shut his car door, walk up the path and
enter his house. However, although you hear him get his keys out, you never
hear him turn the lock on the door (perhaps someone is already inside?). On
the TV is the broadcast of JFK, Jr's death...this is perhaps alluding to the
death of the relative of a famous politician (i.e. J's death at the hands of
Edward who was a Senator). N shuts off the TV, fixes himself a drink, sits
down and puts on a record. Now, at first I thought that N was a young man,
however, if he was born when V died (which is I think the way that
reincarnation works and it also fits with the whole "I believe a new love
(or soul) is born for each one that has died" thing), then N would be an old
man. This would fit with putting on a record in 1999 (as opposed to a CD or
whatever) and sitting down with a drink. Around the time right before N
puts on the record, you can hear (very softly) the same sinister theme from
before. Is this the hypnotherapist arriving at N's house, or if he's
already there, perhaps sneaking into the room? You hear a creak or two
right around this time that I initially thought was N's chair (rocking) but
now I think it's the hypnotherapist sneaking up on N. At this point, you
hear "Open your eyes, Nicholas" ("Open your eyes, Victoria" from the fight
scene) and hear N's frightened gasp. The record player then goes to static.
The meaning? I think that the hypnotherapist was the reincarnation of The
Miracle (Edward) who, after realizing who N is (i.e. the reincarnation of
Victoria), decides to follow N to his house and kill him (Victoria once
again). Hence, the "Open your eyes, Nicholas/Victoria" parallel. The
record is knocked off the player during the struggle, hence the static.
Voila! That's what I think, but I guess only DT know for sure.
Rob
rfbow@erols.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:30:50 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: yes concert writeup in UoH newspaper
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991029013050.00d7e57c@pi-r-squared.com>
The Yes concert from Wedensday night got a write up in the UoH
school paper. Though the writer gave it a favorable review, the review
wasn't that well written, and kind of repetetive, but here's the worst part
of all!
"But it was Steve Howe's incredible guitar skills and one of Yes's newest
members, keyboardist Igor Khoroshev, who sounds even better than former
keyboardist Bruce Wakeman, that made the show phenomenal"
*snip*
Umm.. Bruce Wakeman? I'm not the world's biggest Yes expert or even a big
fan, but... come on! Everybody knows that Bruce Wakeman is the lead singer
for Maiden! geez!
Palp
P.S: Yes! I'm kidding.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:43:30 -0500
From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Orgasm?
Message-ID: <00b301bf21af$4564f1a0$8a0c8ad1@boner>
> Gary Lauzon wrote:
> >Isn't 8 a little young for a girl to have an orgasm? :-)
>
> Not if you live in Arkansas!
>
> Sorry, I couldn't resist. :o)
Was going to pass this the first time i saw it, but if she's old enough to
be 7, she's old enough to be "8".
Ditto
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:27:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Did you notice in SFaM...?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9910282125450.27901-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
During the death scene, if you listen really close, you can hear Julian
say "This is all FAR from over" in a German accent.
:)
By the way, how did DT get Edward Norton to pose for the cover?
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
| Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design |
h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m /
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:41:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: Sounds From My Trinity
Message-ID: <19991029024137.12343.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
thats the funniest fucking thing i have read in a long time!!
=====
John Parks
jpyyz@yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:48:52 -0500
From: "M P" <mremann6@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: OYE
Message-ID: <199910281935214@mremann6.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
> I just heard in Finally Free, it starts with Julian being stabbed
> with the switchblade, then you here Victoria screaming, followed
> by Edward saying "close your eyes, victoria" then shooting here.
> THat's what i hear anyways.
What mother names her child Metropolis?
Open your eyes Victoria
Open your eyes Nicholas
Close your eyes, you can find all you need in your mind
>My current favourite of the album is Fatal Tragedy... I think the
>lyrics (by JM) fits really good on this.
And yet another man flits from shadow to shadow, nameless, or
was he?
>>[joe]>Haven't heard anyone mention this yet (and probably nobody
>> cares), but my favorie song is "Home." Such an infectuous rhythm! <
>An infectious rhythm? YES! Definitely.
>The instrumental passages of the song have a great feel to them --
>reminiscent of Zepplin and Deep Purple, cool stuff!!! No big deal --
> just great sounding similarities!
And only when one first comes home does he have Freedom of Speech
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:43:19 -0400
From: Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Julian/Victoria question
Message-ID: <381909C7.64863C85@epix.net>
I think they were alive for a few minutes after being shot.. hense "one
last time we lay today....one last time until we fade away"
Which allows Julian to crawl to Victoria and end up on top of her.
Still blown away by this amazing album.....
-Ponte
>Among other questions which I'll post
>at a later date, I've just got one
>major one to pose --
>We assume that Edward killed both
>Julian and Victoria in the murder
>section of Finally Free. BUT --
>it says earlier, in the newspaper
>article, that Julian was *ON TOP*
>of Victoria. YET -- He says
>"Open your eyes, Victoria" *after*
>the first two gunshots and *before*
>the second two. If so, how did =
>Julian's body end up on top of
>Victoria's - was it Julian, after
>all?
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:00:51 -0700
From: Tim Lodge <timlodge@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: One Last Time
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991028230051.00897160@mail>
I can't believe there are less than positive comments
here about "One Last Time". Ok, everyone has their opinions,
but IMHO, the chorus is about the MOST EMOTIONAL thing I've
ever heard JAMES sing....
"One last time, we'll lay down today"
"One Last time, until we fade away"
"One Last Time, we'll lay down today"
"One Last Time, we slowly fade away."
This thing just kills me!!! Especially when the stong backing
vocals come in on the 3rd line!! The first time I heard
"Finally Free"...as if the gunshot progression wasn't
emotional enough - they kick back into the one last time
chorus right after the second set of gunshots.....
Sorry folks, I'm just having a DT moment right about now!!!
Enjoying the greatest album in all of God's creation for the 3rd straight day,
Tim
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:04:13 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFaM mystery
Message-ID: <38190EAD.756EB0E3@home.com>
Mark Bredius said:
> Plus I think Edward shoots THROUGH Julian's stab wound afterwards,
> to cover up the stabbing, and make it look like a murder/suicide.
>
> That's why the police is wondering what the switchblade is doing
> on the crime scene... Back then they would never be able to tell
> there was a stabwound "underneath" the shotwound...
That's a pretty interesting thought.
I'm curious what your thoughts about the TWO gunshots to Julian are?
A person committing suicide normally wouldn't shoot himself twice.
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:08:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Inside cover picture
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.9910282254560.22530-100000@RyansPC.com>
Has anyone looked closely at the picture of the man in the news paper on
the inside cover? Through the one lens of the glasses there is a face. I
know that by refraction the image in the glass should be displaced from
the one on the paper, which it is. The strange part is the image in the
glass is much clearer then the paper image. And it appears to be a
different face. Look closely at the shadow around the nose...they just
don't match up. Also, the glasses image seems to have a similar pattern
of facial hair to the picture on the front of the cd. I would assume that
the picture in the paper would be the Sleeper, since he is the man the
article is mainly about. So if the man in the glasses is Nicholas, that
would make perfect sence. I still think Nicholas is the return of the
Sleeper, despite the post of what James said about Nick being the return
of Victoria, it just doesn't add up. Where is that interview anyway? I
haven't seen it anywhere...
Ryan
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:15:25 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: I heard home on the radio! :=)
Message-ID: <19991029031525.20318.qmail@hotmail.com>
it was on one of those "you can only get this station in a car" kind of
stations, and i'm not even sure why i checked t today, because ever since an
R&B station set up shop near its frequency, static has usually been the
order of the day for that station
but, i checked it anyway, for whatever reason, and it was on...just as i was
getting back to my place, so i sat in the driveway for a good long time,
getting funny looks from similarly newly arriving neighbors
one question: is the single mixed differently than the album version? Maybe
it was the car stereo's settings, maybe it was the light static i was
hearing it through, but Labrie vocals seemed much more up front than I've
noticed when listening to the disc
at the end, the DJ said something like "the best band ever" or "the best
band I've heard" or something like that....definitely said "best" and "band"
and "dream theater" in very close conjunction, i unfortunately didn't catch
his name
the station, for proper credit giving where it's due is Q 106.1
Jackson/Lansing, Michigan (not sure of the exact call letters/point of
origin, like i said haven't been able to listen to it in a while), something
for folks to look up on the net, like I'll do tomorrow.....i think a wee bit
of congratulations/thanks are in order
Partha
(you can see that i'm still a bit stunned, or maybe that's just the fact
that I've been up since 6 am?)
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:17:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Julian/Victoria question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.9910282310230.22530-100000@RyansPC.com>
I thought the same thing. He wasn't quite dead when he said that, and he
is dying while saying it. Both when Victoria and the Sleeper say "one
last time" they progress from "lay down" to "fade away", as they lay there
together slowly dying. Julian's last words were "We fade away". Then he
either crawled on top of her or the Micacle placed him on top to fit the
suicide story.
Ryan
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Michael Pontrelli wrote:
>
> I think they were alive for a few minutes after being shot.. hense "one
> last time we lay today....one last time until we fade away"
>
> Which allows Julian to crawl to Victoria and end up on top of her.
>
>
> Still blown away by this amazing album.....
>
> -Ponte
>
>
> >Among other questions which I'll post
> >at a later date, I've just got one
> >major one to pose --
>
> >We assume that Edward killed both
> >Julian and Victoria in the murder
> >section of Finally Free. BUT --
> >it says earlier, in the newspaper
> >article, that Julian was *ON TOP*
> >of Victoria. YET -- He says
> >"Open your eyes, Victoria" *after*
> >the first two gunshots and *before*
> >the second two. If so, how did =
>
> >Julian's body end up on top of
> >Victoria's - was it Julian, after
> >all?
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:40:39 -0400
From: Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Campitelli
Message-ID: <38191737.2B3606F7@udel.edu>
"We had a small debate about Campitelli a long time ago - I contend that
he
could easily be replaced by a drum machine (that'd be a lot cheaper,
too).
The guy doesn't drive the beat, and he has NO feeling - ESPECIALLY on
"Crystal Planet". I think his fills are pretty boring, and his style is
a
little too mechanical. Just my thoughts... :)"
LOL...from listening to it, I always though Crystal Planet *DID* have a
drum machine. Honest!
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:34:49 -0400 From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: <sarcasm> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991029003449.007a78b0@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
Sarcasm detected and returned. :D
>>1) The biggest disappointment of the new album is the little "player piano" >>bit in "TDoE." How could the band let that go? This is SERIOUS music and >>subject matter, and there is absolutely no room in it for a litle musical >>"joke" and yet that is precisely what we get. Yes, his technique is >>fabulous, but for christ's sake... > >Are you one of those "stuffy" prog fans? Perhaps you just don't have much >of a sense of humor. I'm sure you were upset about Jordan's little idea at >the end of "When the Water Breaks", or the end of "Universal Mind". Humor >has no place in Progressive Music, because Progressive Music must be >serious. BTW, that's a "honky tonk" voice he's playing.
Yes, I'm VERY stuffy. :)
Actually, I like the endings of both "Universal Mind" and "When the Water Breaks" quite a bit. (Really!)
I'm starting to come to terms with that bit in TDoE. I'm taking into consideration that it's possible that the characters listened to some ragtime piano in 1928. I still think it's out of place, but it doesn't bother me as much.
(and from another 'jammer...)
>> 1) The biggest disappointment of the new album is the little "player piano" >> bit in "TDoE." How could the band let that go? This is SERIOUS music and >> subject matter, and there is absolutely no room in it for a litle musical >> "joke" and yet that is precisely what we get. Yes, his technique is >> fabulous, but for christ's sake... > >*sigh*. You just don't get it, do you?? One of the precise reasons why >prog-rock is lampooned by the general public is because it takes itself >so seriously. Yes, this is serious music...but it's still JUST MUSIC. >Jordan's part fits perfectly and it adds a level of humor to the band >that they previously lacked. Also, as has been pointed out, the part >fits in with the music of the 1920's.
Prog is lampooned by the public because they don't understand it. No one likes to be talked down to, and most people feel that if they can't sing along or tap their foot 1-2-3-4 they're being talked down to. Then the insecure person must not only vow to not like said music, but to make fun of it to make himself feel better about being so inadequate.
If you think it's "just music" than it's OBVIOUS that the person who just doesn't get it is you.
Even if I LIKED Jordan's part, there is no way that it "fits perfectly." If I want humor, I'll listen to Jerry Seinfeld or Chris Rock.
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:53:09 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Question on Home Message-ID: <0.65aa48fd.254a8235@aol.com>
Stephen says, <<In the middle of Home (the part with the citar) you can distintly hear in the right channel a woman (Victoria I assume) having an orgasm (never thought I would hear that on a DT song :), IN the left channel, there is someone talking. DOes anyone know what is being said???>>
LOL...I noticed this too. Well, folks...my headphones came in handy again. I was listening to it earlier and this part came up (it's about to as we speak, actually). In the right channel, it's obviously Victoria in the right channel, moaning (oh...I liked that). Well, the sound coming from the left speaker is the sound of people (get this) PLAYING CRAPS. Does this make sense? Victoria moaning in the right, Julian gambiling to the left. Both of these are maybe happening in Nicholas' head?
Also, I thought it was funny that that whole little section ends when Victoria stops moaning and the dealer at the craps table says something like, "Anybody wanna come?"
[eriC]
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:56:17 -0700 From: "Tom Tubbiola" <nlance@socal.rr.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The "Home" Thread Message-ID: <19991029045616.AAA22026@laxmls01.socal.rr.com@[24.30.164.45]>
I just have to say this because no one else has. . .
The main melody in Home is almost an exact copy of "Never Say Goodbye" from Bon Jovi.
I know some people will hate me for this, oh well.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:58:28 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFAM plot (spoilers) Message-ID: <0.a5afed22.254a8374@aol.com>
Adam says, <<Nick somehow trusts the old man right away (they were past lovers)>>
Ahh...so it's a gay thing. I see.
[eriC]
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Hoft <hoft@math.ucdavis.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Now what? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910282157570.30177-100000@line.math.ucdavis.edu>
So.... when's Metropolis Part III gonna be done?
- Thomas
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:09:40 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: I need some Info Al Message-ID: <LPBBLFELJFHMJGEAFNIDAEGGCAAA.indii@vistatech.net>
Hey Al, I need some of your brain! :) I am looking over a system that my friends boss is thinking of buying. It's primarily for a Home Theater System, not necessarily for an Audiophile. So far he's spending about $21,000 on it (he's Very fucking rich!, just ask his '99 F355 Spider or '99 Mercedes CX 6000). So of course he goes the the best place around here for "hi-fi". But there are, of course, better places around here but he doesn't know that. Anyway, he wanted me to check it over and tell him if he's getting ripped off price wise. The whole system is primarily Yamaha (well at least it's not Sony or Pioneer!) But of course i go piece by piece and tell him why it's not really a good system for what he's paying.
Reciever his: Yamaha A1 mine Denon 5700THX (home theater remember!) Amp his Yamaha MX1 mine: Rotel RB 985 or Cinepro 3k6SE DVD his: Yamaha C900 mine: Denon DVD 5000 or Meridian 586 DVD EQ his: Yamaha EQ70 mine: Audio Control C-101 III Tuner his: Yamaha TS 950 mine: (screw the tuner!) Speakers his: Polk Audio SRT mine: Linn AV 5.1 Sub his: (with Polk system) mine: Sunfire True Subwoofer Signature VCR` his: Mitsubishi U735 mine: (great choice, not a better one around!) TV his Mitsubishi WS-73905 mine: (i told him to buy this!! and he did!! Damn wish i had a shit load of money) (with the HDTV reciever)
So Al, any changes to this roundup?? He doesn't want to pay for an extra cdplayer and will use the DVD as his cdplayer (so i told him to get the Meridian 586 and he'll have a pretty good mid-fi cd/dvd player).
Ok. so now i have another question for ya. Me and a friend got into an arguement over HI-Fi cd players. He seems to think that since its digital information, that a pioneer $150 cd player will sounds the same as a, for example, Rotel cd player. I tried to argue for audiophiles everywhere but, alas, i don't know enough about the cd player specs to give good arguement. Do you have a sight or essay or something i can read to further my knowledge in this area, and strike my opponent dead, ummm errrr, show that he is mistaken...........yeah.....lets try that.............
I hope you can help me out Al. And as to your post a little while back, PLEASE don't stop your posts about Audiophile information. I love it! I have used some of your recomendations to recomend equipment for friends. Thanks Al.
indii
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:20:03 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: AW: My thanks to the Band!!!!(spoilers if you care) Message-ID: <0.d8f34195.254a8883@aol.com>
Steve says, <<So people which of you have DT related tatoos?>>
I have the Ytsejam on my shoulder.
[eriC]
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:28:53 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5147 Message-ID: <0.359774be.254a8a95@aol.com>
I'm not sure if anyone replied to this or not, but you asked... <<can someone tell me wtf that *screach* sound is at 2:24 of Finally Free?>>
That's Petrucci's fingers sliding over the strings on his acoustic.
[eriC]
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:45:20 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: A tidbit about "Regression" and subtle sounds. Message-ID: <0.910782fe.254a8e70@aol.com>
Listen to "Regression" starting about 00:28. You'll hear the humming sound of "Home" fade in and out while the the rapist is talking. A hint to his identity, maybe?
I love these little sounds all throughout the thing. It's great. Damn glad to have you guys back, Dream Theater!
[eriC]
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:51:52 -0400 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Background Vox in "Home" - What Are They Saying?? Message-ID: <38194408.364F9E67@wezl.org>
I think it's "Love, Death, Hate" but I'm not 100% sure on that...haven't listened that closely lately
MTeiper@aol.com wrote: > > Hey Gang - > > Quick question here: during the chorus of "Home", what are they singing in > the background? It sounds like MP and JP singing something behind KJLB > during the chorus (ya know the part: "The City - it calls to me, Decadent > scenes from my memory..." etc.) and I can't make it out. Does anyone know > what they're singing? I don't think it's in the lyric sheet either. > > Thanks... Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:36:42 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Met. 2 - The Music Message-ID: <002c01bf21e0$594d6ae0$8cc5aec7@default>
Kurt writes: >, the discussion has been almost SOLELY on the >story, and when I first subscribed everyone always talked about the >playing, just wait till we start pciking apart the solos, the time sigs >etc.
Here's a starter. Notice that the introduction/main riff of Beyond This Life is in 5/4, and that the RHYTHM of the riff is identical to the Mission Impossible theme song, also in 5/4, which DT has covered! Furthermore, MP uses the same speed-metal double bass attack. Cool!
I haven't heard anyone mention Petrucci's obvious nod to Brian May during Fatal Tragedy. The two brief effects-laden guitar breaks. That tone is pure Queen.
Many people have mentioned the Floyd influence. More support for this is the use of the choir and the use of the stereo-to-mono fade, made famous in "Wish You Were Here."
Has anyone figured out what the backward music is at the very beginning of Finally Free? Turn your stereo up. I think it's part of the middle-section of Met. 1, which would make sense, but I haven't reversed it yet to prove it. It's followed by a guitar-key unison line in Met. 1.
DT and The Dregs together live!! Unbelievable..
-Neil.
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