YTSEJAM Digest 5152
Today's Topics:
1) chills...
by "M. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
2) Re: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*)
by "Adam Perkowsky" <perk1994@yahoo.com>
3) Re: Background Vox in "Home" - What Are They Saying??
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
4) TDOE
by Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com>
5) RE: Dixie Dregs?
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
6) <sarcasm>
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
7) SFAM made me do it
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
8) SFAM discussion
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
9) Gambling
by "Wingell, Joshua" <Joshua.Wingell@compaq.com>
10) Jordan's "circus" bit
by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
11) Secret message in SFAM
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) SFAM review *spoilers* *warning: LONG!*
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
13) Backward messages in the new DT CD!!!
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
14) Re: Backward message / Part I - Part II stuff
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) more voices in home.
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
16) It's comic relief
by "Chris Anderson" <Chris_Anderson@siecor.com>
17) M2:SFAM SIMUL-LISTEN at MP.COM on Friday
by Portnoy420@aol.com
18) SFaM - Message to the band
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
19) Re: Metropolis Y2K tour
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
20) Orgasm?
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
21) Subconscious
by Bracken MacLeod <anitya@erols.com>
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:42:19 -0400
From: "M. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
To: "Ytse Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: chills...
Message-ID: <004b01bf217c$9df6c600$580310ac@pw0255.pwcg.com>
is it only me, or does anyone else get chills listening to the choir parts
in the last 2:00 or so of 'The Spirit Carries On'?
all i can say is...WOW!!! :oD
see y'all at whatever upcoming NY metro area shows OFB happens to grace us
with...
mikE
cthulhu@cybernex.net
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:57:26 -0400
From: "Adam Perkowsky" <perk1994@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*)
Message-ID: <000c01bf217e$b2185c00$abf01004@perk>
Hello everyone,
About a half hour ago I wrote:
> One other thing: Has anyone noticed that the left eye of the face on the
> cover (presumably Nicholas' face) is the eye from the pic of the woman
below
> and to the left of the Majesty logo? I think this confirms that Nicholas
is
> at least Victoria. Now, I'm just trying to find where Julian can be in the
> face (just to try and prove the theory I believe).
Then I got to thinking. What if the face on the cover isn't Nicholas, but
half Julian and half Victoria? Hmmm. : )
Take care,
Adam Perkowsky
NP: SFAM (for the sixth time today)
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:24:31 -0300
From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Background Vox in "Home" - What Are They Saying??
Message-ID: <000b01bf217a$0f8d2be0$37351ec8@yunque.net>
> Hey Gang -
>
> Quick question here: during the chorus of "Home", what are they singing
in
> the background? It sounds like MP and JP singing something behind KJLB
> during the chorus (ya know the part: "The City - it calls to me,
Decadent
> scenes from my memory..." etc.) and I can't make it out. Does anyone know
> what they're singing? I don't think it's in the lyric sheet either.
>
> Thanks... Matt T.
I think theyre just singing the first syllable sound of each line that
Labrie sings, this is something ive heard done before..anyone knowledgeable
about singing has any info on this?
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: TDOE
Message-ID: <19991028203822.17254.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey jammers,
Just my $0.02 on SFAM. I've listened to the album a
dozen times now and I quite like it. There is a
definite mood to the album and they maintain it
throughout. Kinda like Awake, which has a definite
mood, and Queensryche's Mindcrime and Promised Land.
Though I wasn't a big fan of PL, the mood setting is
killer.
So, mood aside, and technical prowess aside, I'm not
really keen on TDOE. Sure, there;s no doubt that
technically, they are great on it. But it really
lacks a certain melody that Ytsejam and Erotomania
have. That recurring melody. Like Paradigm Shift on
LTE... or Biaxident on LTE2. I find I just can't get
into TDOE because nothing ever stays the same for more
than about 2 bars. Not a bad song, just not a
particular instrumental I like from them. :) Just my
$0.02.
Vince
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:36:14 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Dixie Dregs?
Message-ID: <5070B1B3F78AD3119681009027A36BEF0F5B95@MESSAGING>
> What's a good Dregs CD for a new listener coming
> from a DT/Satriani perspective?
I'd suggest getting the disc that got me started: "Bring 'Em Back Alive" - a
live disc from 1992. They play their most well-known tunes, as well as a
kick-ass cover of LedZep's "Kashmir". Steve Morse is amazing - definitely
one of the best!
> OK, permit me to fantisize: I want to see a shred-funk
> (I think I just invented a new genre :) ) band
> consisting of
> > Petrucci, Satriani, and Vai on guitar
> Victor Wooten and Tony Levin on bass
> Rudess and Emerson on keys
> and Peart, Morgenstein, Portnoy, or Jeff Campitelli
> (or preferrably some combination therefo) on drums
About the supergroup - I suggest a couple changes:
Guitars: Petrucci, Vai, Satriani. Cool, though it could get a little
crazy... :)
Bass: Levin and BILL DICKENS
Keys: Rudess, Emerson
Drums: Portnoy, Morgenstein, or MIKE MANGINI - the dude is a genius.
We had a small debate about Campitelli a long time ago - I contend that he
could easily be replaced by a drum machine (that'd be a lot cheaper, too).
The guy doesn't drive the beat, and he has NO feeling - ESPECIALLY on
"Crystal Planet". I think his fills are pretty boring, and his style is a
little too mechanical. Just my thoughts... :)
Since we have two 7-string guitarists, we should have a 7-string bassist,
no? :)
David Dixon
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:35:39 -0400
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: <sarcasm>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991028163539.007db850@mail.ptd.net>
>From: Steve Zebrowski
>Subject: M2:SfaM ***SPOILERS***
>All I can say is WOW.
That's all I could say after reading this:
>1) The biggest disappointment of the new album is the little "player piano"
>bit in "TDoE." How could the band let that go? This is SERIOUS music and
>subject matter, and there is absolutely no room in it for a litle musical
>"joke" and yet that is precisely what we get. Yes, his techniques is
>fabulous, but for christ's sake...
Are you one of those "stuffy" prog fans? Perhaps you just don't have much
of a sense of humor. I'm sure you were upset about Jordan's little idea at
the end of "When the Water Breaks", or the end of "Universal Mind". Humor
has no place in Progressive Music, because Progressive Music must be
serious. BTW, that's a "honky tonk" voice he's playing.
>2) The beginning of "One Last Time." Yeah, I know it's Jordan again, but
>the overplaying is just really obvious. This would be so much more
>effective if he would have just mellowed out and let the soudscape thin out
>(like the rest of the band does), but no. We get a highly emotional moment
>in the song ruined by a blazing flurry of notes from the Yngwie of the
>keyboard.
Man! I've never heard such overblown shredding in my life. You'd think
he'd give it a rest after that ridiculously overplayed "Dance of Eternity"
.. Jordan truly is the Yngwie of the keyboard.
>(and I was an ARDENT Derek supporter).
That explains a lot. Wait ... you supported Derek? The goofy keyboardist
with a *gasp* SENSE OF HUMOR!! But you don't like that honky tonk passage
in DoE? That makes sense.
</sarcasm>
!Brian
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:58:02 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFAM made me do it
Message-ID: <19991028.155809.11686.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
I bought the album last Friday, and Sunday got an in dash CD player put
in my car, on credit. I had to. I drive 40 minutes each way 3 days a
week, and that time now can be well spent. I got a Kenwood Detach face,
in case anyone is intrested. It's sounds pretty good.
Kurt
24 days to QR!
"and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on
going"-Doubledrive
New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out Oct 26th
"I don't know how the guys in Slayer are going to past 40"-Paul Blocker
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:56:04 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFAM discussion
Message-ID: <19991028.155808.11686.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Gosh,
I didn't check my mail yesterday, and get over 60 messages in two days
between the Mirror the the Jams.
As far as The hypnotherapist, I believe he is Edward reincarnated, and
takes his revenge again. I still believe Nich is just Victoria
reincarnated, Julian kinda disappears. Once Nicholas finds out who he
was, he feels Victoria's pian (Through her eyes), the hypnotherapist
knows this, and must make him relive the death over again. Or maybe DR H.
knew all along that Nich was Victoria reincarnated, and it was all a sick
and twisted plot all along. Mike must really be enjoying reading all of
these, as have I.
What surprises me so far, the discussion has been almost SOLELY on the
story, and when I first subscribed everyone always talked about the
playing, just wait till we start pciking apart the solos, the time sigs
etc. We have only tipped the iceberg here.
Ohh yeah that solo in Fatal trajedy JP
plays------GGGGGOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Kurt
Np-Beyond this life
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:58:11 -0400
From: "Wingell, Joshua" <Joshua.Wingell@compaq.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Gambling
Message-ID: <11EB515FBDB3D111BF270000F84A9ED604BE13D9@shrexc1.shr.dec.com>
I believe that the problem that the sleeper had was gambling.
Not sure if this was covered before or not.
In "Home" there is a woman's orgasm going on in your right
ear. And some people are talking in your left ear, but much
more faintly. I listened to this carefully. You can hear
dice being rolled and a guy saying "more" alot. It just
basically sounds like gambling.
I just want to say that this has been one hell of a week.
I race my 97 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX. I started off getting
a better time in an AutoX than I had all racing season long.
And on the last race of the season, no less!
Then on Tuesday I get SFaM and it kicks ass.
Then on Wednesday night, I run a 12.884@104.5 in the 1/4mi
in my Eclipse, beating my previous record by .2 seconds.
What an awesome, awesome week! A great end to my racing season
and a great new Dream Theater album to listen to! :-)
Josh
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:02:09 -0400
From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Jordan's "circus" bit
Message-ID: <3818B9D1.9E710B81@mail.rochester.edu>
> 1) The biggest disappointment of the new album is the little "player piano"
> bit in "TDoE." How could the band let that go? This is SERIOUS music and
> subject matter, and there is absolutely no room in it for a litle musical
> "joke" and yet that is precisely what we get. Yes, his techniques is
> fabulous, but for christ's sake...
*sigh*. You just don't get it, do you?? One of the precise reasons why
prog-rock is lampooned by the general public is because it takes itself
so seriously. Yes, this is serious music...but it's still JUST MUSIC.
Jordan's part fits perfectly and it adds a level of humor to the band
that they previously lacked. Also, as has been pointed out, the part
fits in with the music of the 1920's.
Adam
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:27:46 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Secret message in SFAM
Message-ID: <002901bf218b$5eba4660$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
I'm surprised that no one has started listening to the CD backward for the
secret message yet.
I tell you if you listen to the gambling scene backward on Home, you
distinctly hear the gambler saying: "hgih llor seitnewT. sklof, pu thgir
petS"
Or something like that. It's kind of hard to hear.
And if you follow the chord scheme in the middle if Beyond This Life, it
comes out as "CABBAGE BAG"
Could cabbage bags mean anything? :) I bet that's what it's all about.
Edward killed Veronica and Julian for their cabbage bag recipe. woohoo!
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:50:14 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM review *spoilers* *warning: LONG!* Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991028215014.0159b404@pi-r-squared.com>
Well, after listening to the new album about 4 or 5 times over, I am ready to pass judgement:
7 years ago, a band called Dream Theater burst onto the metal scene with their second album: Images & Words. Where bands before them, like Queensryche, had tinkered with combining metal with progressive elements, Dream Theater took this idea to a new level, cohesively melding the two genres into one with amazing displays of musicianship and musical complexity. It still continues to inspire many many imitations, to this day. I think what impressed most people about that album was the immense promise it showed, that these 5 musicians had the potential to rise and do great things. That promise, however, has never really been lived up to (though Awake was a great album, and FII good in its own right, but for far different reasons)... until now.
Scenes from a Memory is the reawakening (in terms of both music and inspiration) of a band that has, to me, been sleeping since the departure of Kevin Moore (and I deem his real departure from the band around the time of THE RECORDING of Awake, though I love some of the stuff he adds to that album, just the same). The music was there in parts, but something was missing. With the recent addition of Jordan Rudess (who finally fills in the hole left by Kevin), and the numerous side projects of the members (which gave them an apparently much needed break from Dream Theater) have rekindled the band's fire. How appropriate then that they return to form with the long awaited sequel to one of the band's most famous and popular (in terms of crowd favorites, not in terms of record sales or anything like that) songs.
Metropolis II: Scenes from a Memory is the 7-years-late (and I don't mean that in a nasty way ;) ) follow up to Images & Words. It takes the musical ideas laid forth from that album and carries them to new and unexplored heights beyond what ANY OF US would have imagined. It also takes what they've learned from the experimentation of the last 7 years, in terms of melodies and song hooks, and uses this to reinforce the progressive nature of the album. If many thought Images & Words lacking in emotion, they will not be hard pressed to find it here. Many of the songs have some of the most evocative melodies I've ever heard, WITHOUT conforming to standard song formats! In other words it is both progressive and musical, complex and powerful. It also features one of the most coherent stories I've ever seen from a concept album. They toned down the lyrics to simply display the story and the themes, which is very cool. This is the culmination of Dream Theater's career to this point, and I for one have no clue where they're going to go from here, though it'll be fun to find out!! With all that said, let's take a look at the songs!
Regression: Very cool beginning for the album. I like the way it gives you that relaxing feeling off spinning off into day-dreaming. It caught me by surprise at the party, but once I listened to the cd as a whole, I liked it. For those looking for recurring themes it shares the same melody as The Spirit Carries on.
Overture 1928: AWESOME! Great songwriting.
Strange Deja Vu: I already commented that the melody literally gave me convulsions when I was trying to get to sleep.. lol. The middle jamming section, is a bit awkward. I prefer the more mystical parts. The lyrics are among the best of the album, evocative and mysterious. One of the things about this story that I love is how it can inspire imagery. I'm a film buff and have tinkered with writing a few scripts or stories (never got much done though) and they've often incorporated stuff like this.. visions of a young girl. It's exactly the kind of thing I've been fascinated with, and DT taps into it. :)
Through My Words: Provides a nice transition
Fatal Tragedy: One of the coolest songs DT has ever written. The riffing that comes after the short break (As the night went on) is just awesome. The solo rocks, though I have to admit that break with just Jon riffing before the solo is a bit awkward and it gets kinda annoying the way they use it throughout the solo section, I've gotten used to it over time. The last part of the solo is simply..... my god, I've never heard anything like it. It takes a lot of listens to uncover it all (I remember the first time I discovered Myung's run towards the end) I like the sounds that Jordan uses on this number.
Beyond This Life: This is the only song I can't get into at the moment. It furthers the story yes but musically it just seems out of place. The instrumental section features nice musicanship but sounds a little too much like LTE for my taste. Of course no DT album would be complete without a few moments of cheese, and here we get it from James and his "OH YEAH YAH!!!" I still laugh everytime I hear it. Overall, the song is slowly growing on me, but I still find it one of the weaker efforts on the album (though it does have some really cool parts to it, like everything on the album). The dischord in the solo is interesting...
Through Her Eyes: Yes the woman at the beginning is kind of cheesy, but even cheesier is JP's little mini-solos in the back behind her. The beginning sounds exactly like these new Bud Light commercials that are making fun of exactly this type of thing ("Mr. overworked grocery man!" or something like that). But once the beginning is over, it's pretty nice. Good emotion, and overall pretty low key, which works fine.
Home: Whoo! This song just rules. The wah wah pedal gets on my nerves, but in the long version it's kept to a minimum compared to what's in the rest of the song. Great atmospheric vocals from James, great melodies to complement him. It stays in your head for days without losing ANY integrity. The riff that JP does during the "coming home-it's what I long for" moments is imo the coolest he's ever written, and I'm glad that he uses it farely minimally (it doesn't spoil it with repetition).
The Dance of Eternity: Finally getting used to this one, it's way out there. I laughed when I heard Jordan reprise Kevin's little ultra weird keyboard riff (I really shouldn't call it that, but can't think of anything else).. I didn't think it could get any weirder than what Kevin did, but Jordan proves me wrong. Yes, parts of this are silly, but I still like it, it just works for me for some reason. THis is probably the most insane thing DT has ever written.
One Last Time: I've heard complaints about this one... I like it alot. Very atmospheric and when they recycle the verses from it in Finally Free it adds great emotional depth to both songs.
The Spirit Carries On: WOW! This is a POWERFUL song! Where the choirs in Through Her Eyes were pretty cheesy, here they're very effective. This manages to do away with a lot of the cheese factor that many people accuse DT ballads of having. I wish Jon and Jordan didn't shred so much during the solos, but it's not TOO distracting.
Finally Free: Awesome. Carries the album to great emotional heights. Play it at a loud volume, if not just to get the full effectiveness of "Open your eyes Victoria!!" I need say nothing about Mike's drumming at the end, as most have already commented on it. The restraint and taste the band shows on this track shows the growth they have made over the years.
So that's it. As for the individual efforts, John shreds a lot but is also tasteful when he needs to be. He remains what I have always felt about him: I have never heard another guitarist exert so much control over their instrument. Everything seems to happen effortlessly. Mike: On the first few listens I felt like Mike had really restrained a lot of his rhythmic style and relied more on double bass, which, as a drummer, dissappointed me. However I am discovering new things that he's doing all the time. I really think that's one of the best things about this album. Yes, the music is INCREDIBLY complex but it's also very subtle, and it doesn't get in the way of the lyrics or the story. You could listen to the entire album, multiple times, and not pick up on a lot of it. John M: great as always, I find him being maybe just a little more adventurous than he has been on previous efforts. Jordan: what can I say, though I could do without some of the weirder sounds he uses. he BELONGS in the band. He doesn't do a lot here that surprises me (though I admit he did catch me off guard a couple times), and I'd say that's the only thing he needs to work on, more diversity, not just in samples, but in playing as well. James: I think he incorporates here the same thing I can say about the rest of the band. There's a saying in my acting class: "It takes 20 years to be an actor" ie it takes a long time before you can do great things and make them seem easy, and effortless. James does exactly that here. He may be down in the octaves, but his singing is more natural, controlled, effortless, emotional, and clean than it has been on any of their albums. He's developed a great atmospheric quality that he displayed a few times before, but had mostly gone unused. He doesn't necessarily make my jaw drop with his vocals anymore, but he doesn't really have to. Overall, noone particularly stands out. The ensemble sound of I&W is back with a vengenance.
Sorry this review is so long, but there's simply a LOT to talk about.
NP: SFAM (and that aint gonna be changing for a LONG while)
Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:44:13 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Backward messages in the new DT CD!!! Message-ID: <3818C3AD.C947C24B@isd.net>
Has anyone else noticed that the backward stuff at the beginning of TDoE is a section of metropolis part 1? Hehe.. That kicks ASS!
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:01:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Backward message / Part I - Part II stuff Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910281754260.89916-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that the backward stuff at the beginning of > TDoE is a section of metropolis part 1? Hehe.. That kicks ASS!
As a matter of fact, I listened to this for the first time last night (my friend Josh, also on the jam, got it and mine still hasn't gotten here from CDNow), and I noticed exactly that. I thought it was a moment of pure genius myself...
Now, I'll preface these comments with a statment that I haven't REALLY listened to the album yet - just a one-time runthrough last night because we HAD to at least HEAR it. I must say that even with the little real analysis that I was able to do, I was absolutely floored. I'll post more when I get a FULL listen - not that you all really NEED to hear my opinion...
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Ryan Veety wrote:
> Notice toward the end of Part 1, it says: <snip> > > It can only take place > When the struggle between our children has ended
I've ALWAYS thought (and still continue to think) that this phrase refers to something along the lines of "our children" being humankind. As in "only when we can get along as a single race of people without war and hatred, we can have peace and love." I just don't believe that they were thinking THAT far ahead when they wrote Part I that they could be THAT deep with it. To me, the phrase has MUCH more meaning and profoundness to it that way.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:14:16 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: more voices in home. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991028221416.015dadbc@pi-r-squared.com>
I care not bout the gambling scenes. What the hell is that ambient noise at the beginning? (and no I'm not talkign about JP's sithar sound ;) )
Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:38:34 -0400 From: "Chris Anderson" <Chris_Anderson@siecor.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: It's comic relief Message-ID: <86256818.007A9C4A.00@internet-503.interliant.com>
>1) The biggest disappointment of the new album is the little "player piano" >bit in "TDoE." How could the band let that go? This is SERIOUS music and >subject matter, and there is absolutely no room in it for a litle musical >"joke" and yet that is precisely what we get. Yes, his techniques is >fabulous, but for christ's sake..
The little funny piano section of TDoE also could be "comic relief". This type of thing can be found in many Greek tragedies as well as many Shakespearian works.....
I like that piece of music - VERY ELP-like!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:42:56 EDT From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: M2:SFAM SIMUL-LISTEN at MP.COM on Friday Message-ID: <0.6055ce62.254a2b70@aol.com>
11 p.m. Central time (GMT -5:00) Friday night (that's midnight Saturday morning for East coasters, 9p.m. Friday night for West coasters).
Go to www.mikeportnoy.com for more details
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:55:58 -0500 From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SFaM - Message to the band Message-ID: <000101bf2197$9b5ced00$cbdd1a93@tugmutton.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
I just got my copy from CDnow about 5 minutes ago... this is going to be a classic ... I don't know how else to say it. To the band: Incredible.
- Wolfric Tugmutton tugmutton@toast.net
PS - how about those Pink Floydish sections?! ROCK! :)
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:25:16 -0700 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Metropolis Y2K tour Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991028192504.009b6a00@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Is Jordan going to play with tthe Dregs, too? that would be scary. At 09:34 PM 10/27/99 , you wrote:
>Just read on UACM that the Dregs are going to tour with DT >and a third act is in the works!!! > >i think i speak for quite a few by saying, HELL YEAH!!!!! > >DT and the Dregs, i don't think i could take so much >musical talent all at once. > >later > >NP: duh! waddaya think > > >===== >John Parks >jpyyz@yahoo.com > >All of your life you've been waiting, for someone to touch you inside, >with your life passing by your just one rock shy of a landslide. > *Neal Morse* >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
-- Damon Fibraio dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:20:14 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Orgasm? Message-ID: <3818E83E.56FE3CA9@isd.net>
Gary Lauzon wrote: >Isn't 8 a little young for a girl to have an orgasm? :-)
Not if you live in Arkansas!
Sorry, I couldn't resist. :o)
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:50:48 -0400 From: Bracken MacLeod <anitya@erols.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Subconscious Message-ID: <3818EF67.CE68647D@erols.com>
Hello all,
I just wanted to remind you that I am auctioning off my copy of Mike Bah= r's Subconscious Dream Theater boot. For those of you who weren't around= when this was first released this is a CD compilation of old demos and l= ive tracks. It contains an original version of A Change of Seasons, clock= ing in at 19:19 and substantially different than the version on the ACOS = EP. Also features "Carry That Weight" Beatles cover, "Tears" Rush cover, = and Tori Amos' "Winter" cover. Number 125 hand numbered and initialed by = Mike Bahr - released on Prism Records. It is in mint condition. Very limi= ted edition! There were only 500 of the original pressing made!
The full track list (although song titles are abbreviated on the packaging) is: 1. Eve (5:21) [Recorded live at the Limelight, NY, March 4, 1993. ] [The samples are from a reading of James Joyce's book, ] ["Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man". ] 2. A Change of Seasons (19:19) (Original live version) [Recorded live at the Limelight, NY, March 4, 1993. ] 3. Oh Holy Night (4:10) 4. Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight (Beatles cover) (6:13) 5. Don't Look Past Me (6:21) [Demo from 1989/90, with John Hendricks on vocals.] 6. Wanted Dead Or Alive (05:08) [Recorded instrumentally by John Petrucci for a student, before ] [Images And Words was released. Chris Collins, one of Dream ] [Theater's earliest vocalists got a hold of the tape and decided = ] [to add some vocals of his own to the background music. ] 7. To Live Forever (4:54) [Alternate ending than the original - (Studio acoustic version) = ] [Recorded as James LaBrie's vocal audition in 1990. ] 8. Session (2:59) 9. Mission: Impossible Theme (1:17) 10. Back Pain Jam (5:07) 11. Heavy Jam (3:51) 12. Experimental demo (1:23) 13. Tears (Rush cover) (3:09) 14. Winter (Tori Amos cover) (2:23) 15. Mystery Track (a sound snippet from Mortal Kombat)
It's a great CD, but I just don't listen to it enough anymore. I'd like = to see this go to a fan who'll enjoy it more than me.
If you're interested in this follow this link http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y01X4847981X5491214/0= 02-6295452-4112204
Thanks for your patience.
Namaste, Bracken MacLeod
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